Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[Sickofit1138]

Omg my last two posts were literally responses to that.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 2.05

lucca261

(3): Loopdan, TheBrie, Sickofit1138

SensFan

(1): Fredrick E Campbell

Sickofit1138

(1): lucca261

Fredrick E Campbell

(1): Raskolnikov

Not Voting

: SensFan, Huntress
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-01-22 06:30:00)

Notes:

[lucca261]

lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.

TheBrie is super raw, which is making it hard for me to read her. For now I think I'm willing to put her in the Town pile until a bit later, but plan on looking back at her stances on people when we get more flips. I think she's the least likely to have been able to look natural as Scum looking back in hindsight on stuff like a Scum wagon.

Loopdan and I seem to naturally be on the same page on most/all issues, which makes me inclined he's looking at the game sincerely.

I don't feel like I have a good grasp on Fred/Selynee/Rask right now, though I should go back. I feel like I remember finding Fred suspicious on D1 and I'm not sure why.

Don't like this post. You have zero substance reads, save for Loopdan.

So you have four null reads, Loopdan as town, me as scum without explaining it and Huntress as scum because she put the hammer exclusively on you? You explain the total of two reads. All the other ones are unexplained.

This "readslist" feels like you are trying too hard to make your options open. If you need to ever vote one of your four null votes, by this, you can just say "Hey, I re-read then and they're scum".

Btw this is scum distancing from their partner when I called them out.

What. You didn't call "us" out. You specifically that you see nothing that made us a likely scum-pair, and that you see nothing that made us an unlikely scum-pair.

This post is so bad that makes me think that you're Town that thinks they cracked the game and is now confbiased.

What's been so hard about this game? I'm finding it getting a bit harder now that every one seems to be cross-voting. but before it didn't seem bad.

knew it was coming.

finally somebody votes me. was starting to get lonely.

That sounds like you're trying to laugh your vote off. As if it's not a big deal. Not that it is very big yet.

I never said that Huntress was scum. I said that I was thinking that maybe the only scum vote on that wagon was Huntress.

I think I know what you means, but that sounds rather contradictory.

Reads now:
Loopdan, likely town
Selynee, likely town, but not as strongly as before
Fred, null. He hasn't said enough for me to read him, but my gut says not scum
Rask, sounds town, but I'm not sure.
Sensfan, Null. leaning slightly town
Huntress, slightly scummy and I don't see any reason to shift my vote.
Lucca, leaning slightly scummy

@Lucca

Reread this and tell me that this is coming from someone's first game and they are scum.

I see nothing "unfakeable" on this post. Yes, the readslist is unconclusive. But I also have seen a lot of newbie scum that were "Confirmed NewbTown".

Can you explain to me why do you think Brie is clear? It your words.

VOTE: Sickofit

Confortable with voting him with this entrance. It's the scummiest thing that happened all game.

This is a terrible OMGUS.

That's not an OMGUS. If I would do an OMGUS vote, I would probably vote someone who has voted for me, right? If I'm scum and I vote for you, it's likely that you vote for me.

You had a bad entrance to the game, sheeped the most popular opinions and is inconsistent as fuck. The rest of your posts are theory related. You have done nothing to make me think you're town, except for the whole "So scummy to be scum" post above.

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nah. you're just scum.

[Loopdan]

@Loopdan you put Rask as backup town then a little later said Rask was more likely scummy. I admit I'm uncertain on Rask too, but could you explain that? Also where is your town read on Sensfan coming from?

Rask is null. I included Rask in the possible scum list not because Rask looks scummy, but from POE after I started TRing sickofit.

[Loopdan]

Your townblock is Sens and Brie. Can you explain your sudden realization that Brie is Newbie Town?

Not a sudden realization. I think I first expressed that read in VOTE: 253.

[lucca261]

I mean, you explained it. I want to know why it's not something she would post as scum? I honestly don't know what you guys saw about that post.

[Loopdan]

Townblocks, especially where there's no solid information, tend to be either led by or include scum, which I think is very likel

I've said I have three TRs and, yeah, it's possible one of them could be scum. That's ok. Townblocks evolve as the game progresses.

I'd like to know who you think is town.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

VOTE: Frederick[/unvote].

Post 25 seems forced.

How does it seem that way?

You quoted a vote-change out of context and asked why he changed his mind, when the literal next post in the game was an explanation for the vote.

Also, VOTE: Frederick. Hopefully that worked; I don't think vote tags were a thing when I left.

Unvote; Vote: TheBrie

No 1. suspicion: Mysteriously vote changing

that doesn't count as a hammer. give rasko the time he requested.

Thanks for that.

Vote: Echo

Eh. You forced my hand. Worked okay, considering.

No 2. suspicion: Blaming lucca261 for making him hammer.

I don't know what to make of Sickofit1138's guess. It does make sense that SensFan is potentially a scum. Lucca261, however, doesn't seem likely to be scum. Meanwhile, remembering SensFan's post 100, it is still possible, but unlikely, that he might not be scum.

Sickofit1138, what did you mean in post 289.

[SensFan]

Okay, yeah. Fred is probably still Scum.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Okay, yeah. Fred is probably still Scum.

On what basis are you making that accusation?

[Raskolnikov]

Need more votes on fred. Still don't have an answer to 266, but I know he'd have saw it because he answered about the senfan read. 294 is right beside 295.

As for the answer this more or less seems like his loopdan vote d1 as in a vote for the sake of voting. Reads feel puddle-deep, given he just brings up actions people did and essentially describes them without going further. He never explains what makes any particular thing actually alignment indicative to him or analyses into anything past the surface.

Thread interaction seems limited to things concerning himself as well, he asks questions but never mentions the answers he got which is a classic tell that someone isn't actually interested.

[Raskolnikov]

I know I was wrong on echo but I think this one's scum.

[Raskolnikov]

I think 297 still holds for me atm regarding lucca.

I'd be interested in seeing where sensfan and huntress do decide to vote today given we're a fair chunk of the way through.

[Sickofit1138]

@Fres I was just asking if anybody had claimed anything yet cuz I find it useful to read the game with all claims in mind

[Fredrick E Campbell]

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Thread interaction seems limited to things concerning himself as well, he asks questions but never mentions the answers he got which is a classic tell that someone isn't actually interested.

It is true that earlier in Day 1, I forgot to follow up my questions. After lucca261 mentioned he wished more follow up to my questions. I've been following them up. Not replying to the later questions doesn't mean I didn't use them to guess the player's alignment.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

EBWOP: It is true that earlier in Day 1, I forgot to follow up my questions. After lucca261 mentioned he wished more follow up to my questions, I've been following them up. Not replying to the later questions doesn't mean I didn't use them to guess the player's alignment.

[Sickofit1138]

Hmm Fred is back in my scumpool.

[Raskolnikov]

After lucca261 mentioned he wished more follow up to my questions, I've been following them up. Not replying to the later questions doesn't mean I didn't use them to guess the player's alignment.

Okay, maybe you have, who knows. Nothing's for certain.

But it's hard to believe you are using truly that information if you never, ever, mention it. When I look and try to guess what's behind the veil, either there's nothing there, or there is but for some reason you're just keeping everything to yourself even after so many requests for explanation. As a rule, I'm going to assume the former until shown otherwise. Yes, it's impossible to know for sure what's going on if there's zero transparency. But if you're actually doing all the consideration you say you are then merely putting it down to words is the simplest thing in the world.

This is also the third time I'm going to ask for a response on 266.

[SensFan]

Okay, yeah. Fred is probably still Scum.

On what basis are you making that accusation?

Your consistent taking of things out of context to make someone look bad when you ask about it.

[Sickofit1138]

Lynch Lucca, sensfan and Fredrick in this order and we should win.

[lucca261]

Oh Fred's Sens "case" was pretty bad. The number one reason is awful. It's scummy. There was context to the vote-unvote situation, and he threw it all away to "make the case feel better". That's scummy. It's a thrown together case, and I'm feel like he thought people would support it, given that a lot of players are thinking that Sens is scum, me included.

@sicko, can you answer my questions? thx.

[lucca261]

I think 297 still holds for me atm regarding lucca.

I'd be interested in seeing where sensfan and huntress do decide to vote today given we're a fair chunk of the way through.

I find it strange that Sens thinks I'm scummy for so long, and when there's a wagon on me, he decides to not vote.

What do you think of Sicko right now, Rasko?

[SensFan]

I think 297 still holds for me atm regarding lucca.

I'd be interested in seeing where sensfan and huntress do decide to vote today given we're a fair chunk of the way through.

I find it strange that Sens thinks I'm scummy for so long, and when there's a wagon on me, he decides to not vote.

I'm consciously trying to remove the innate bias from knowing you're wrong in coming after me. At least your reasons for suspecting me are consistent even if I disagree. The difference between your case against me and that of Fred/sickofit is night and day.

[TheBrie]

@Loopdan you put Rask as backup town then a little later said Rask was more likely scummy. I admit I'm uncertain on Rask too, but could you explain that? Also where is your town read on Sensfan coming from?

Rask is null. I included Rask in the possible scum list not because Rask looks scummy, but from POE after I started TRing sickofit.

What's POE?
And you still haven't answered about Sensfan. I'm nulling at him now.

I'm reconsidering Frederick now. I was ignoring him before because his played seemed similar to the game I read in which he was Cop. Realizing that's probably not a good idea. Now we're in the second day, he hasn't given indication of anymore usefulness. I'll have to think him over more.

[PenguinPower]