Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Klingoncelt]

V/LA for a few days at least. I'm in the ER until further notice.

I hope you're okay.

VOTE: Indigo

Nice to meet you.

[Klingoncelt]

Just a prod dodge here, I don't need to get involved with VCA arguments or multi/singleball arguments, most of the discussion here has been empty fluff worthy of a Victorian-era luncheon.

Good entrance by Nero, maybe he's Town. I always Townread TTH. Molla and the Piper look Townish. No reads at all on everyone else.

[Klingoncelt]

Unvote
Vote: Klingoncelt

I'd been meaning to unvote Pine-a-Tonics

Hi! Have we played together before?

[Klingoncelt]

if you still think Cakez is scum why did you switch?

Because I think klingon is scummier

You're thinking wrong.

[Klingoncelt]

I get waiting and seeing, but the thing is that post is just so in line with what disengaged scum say. Even the reads sound fake.

I don't do fake as any alignment.

I'm known for being a shit player on Day 1, NIA.

[Klingoncelt]

The crew is limited to a maximum of thirty percent of players.

30% is actually 4 or atleast that's what google tells me. I mean, yeah, there's an inherent risk the more you draft the more likely you'll draft scum but also more brain power as long as I draft the right people. I just dunno why we shouldn't draft the max.

17 x .30 = 5.1

[Klingoncelt]

I think I'm comfortable saying nero is town now. I've played with him as town and caught him as scum before and he has this very particular playstyle as town that is very hard to fake

I agree.

[Klingoncelt]

I always Townread TTH.

I remember you from Gistou but not from anything else. :S

Up to that point I'd only made two posts: Post 12 and Post 144. Were you townreading either of those? I'm a little lost on the nature of this read, mostly the described history of "always townreading" me.

-TTH

I followed some of your games when I first joined this site. Heartless was in Ika's Mafia Lottery:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6500652

and in Space Dandy 1:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=62603

You replaced into Shos' 11PM:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6928413

There's 6 more pages of games that I don't want to search through, plus I have a secret alt account, plus I've been in several hydras. (One of these days I'm going to make a nice, tidy list of everything.)

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not really seeing why people are scum reading KL. Entrance was awkward and the over justification for the prod dodge is a bit of a concern but she at least gave some reads. She'll have to explain those when she gets back at least and if there is more than just what has been discussed, she'll have to interact with that as well. I rather wait and see with her.

All of her reads were townreads. Which alignment do you propose is more likely to give out townreads like candy, especially that early, especially when they don't think

literally anything that's been discussed up to that point was alignment indicative?

Generally scum but I think it comes down to play style. Some people prefer town hunting or are better at town hunting than others.

Or it could be that I don't know a lot of the players and there are 3 V/LA.

[Klingoncelt]

Yo, Cakez wagon; you sure we can't do Kling?

I could quote 389-394 but that would seem redundant since it's on the same page and all.

Yo, you need to build a case.

[Klingoncelt]

I always Townread TTH.

I remember you from Gistou but not from anything else. :S

Up to that point I'd only made two posts: Post 12 and Post 144. Were you townreading either of those? I'm a little lost on the nature of this read, mostly the described history of "always townreading" me.

-TTH

I followed some of your games when I first joined this site. Heartless was in Ika's Mafia Lottery:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6500652

and in Space Dandy 1:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=62603

You replaced into Shos' 11PM:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6928413

There's 6 more pages of games that I don't want to search through, plus I have a secret alt account, plus I've been in several hydras. (One of these days I'm going to make a nice, tidy list of everything.)

I think TTH's question was whether you townread her first 2 posts.

It's automatic. I can't spot TTH's Scumtells.

Unless the hydra runs through the thread screaming "I'm SCUM!!!!" at the top of their lungs, I'll townread them by default.

[Klingoncelt]

Yo, Cakez wagon; you sure we can't do Kling?

I could quote 389-394 but that would seem redundant since it's on the same page and all.

Yo, you need to build a case.

V/LA for a few days at least. I'm in the ER until further notice.

I hope you're okay.

VOTE: Indigo

Nice to meet you.

???

I don't recall ever playing with Desperado. A stranger linking to a couple posts isn't a case. He doesn't have a case. I'm Town.

I hope Aero's okay.

I wanted to Random Vote Indigo at the start of the game, but she wasn't here then. So I waited.

[Klingoncelt]

... Klingon also claims to play badly early on, that's not stopping the wagon on her.

... I didn't see klingon say that.

I claim it every 3 or 4 games. My Day 1 is pure shit, I'm usually good Day 3.

[Klingoncelt]

I mean maybe she does it regardless of alignment but then I've just come to the slow realization that everyone from that site is like a blackhole of pro-town play.

Wait - you played on Wake's forum at USMB???

Anyway, I'm dealing with some nutzoid RL stuff and I'm sick. So my game's a bit off.

Don't worry, I'm Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Unless the hydra runs through the thread screaming "I'm SCUM!!!!" at the top of their lungs, I'll townread them by default.

Seriously guys I'm not lynching anyone else today. Everything Kling says is scum 101.

I don't take kindly to strangers throwing shade on me.

Go to my profile and read through my ISO.

The come back and ask some questions.

Then make a case. (Except you won't be able to because I'm Town.)

Then try to get everyone to follow you. (And they wont because I'm Town.)

[Klingoncelt]

Am I being rude or offensive?

Not that I've noticed.

[Klingoncelt]

@ Everyone who isn't voting a Rogue Leader at the moment...why?

Particular emphasis on Kling, who has nothing but townreads, including two that already have votes, but isn't voting.

I'm voting for Indigo. It was at first a sort of belated RVS, but now that they want replaced I'm getting suspicious.

You know what? The way you're acting - I would not be at all surprised to see you flip Traitor.

You should have tried that on a Scum player, though.

VOTE: Desperado

[Klingoncelt]

The game definitely hasn't hit it's stride yet--even normally high-frequency posters like Titus seem like nonentities 20 pages in.

I'm not really buying the Cakez wagon--Aero is RVS, Alban is giving off a lot of scum vibes and his vote was RVS and then it became real, Nero looks town but his vote is fencesitty trash, Uzi said something about rereading old games and this not being TownCakes but then built a case that didn't include a single word about meta, and AJ said Cakez is scum for voting him after only mentioning him once

in the same post that he votes Cakez without ever mentioning him before at all

.

I want Klingoncelt dead.

You've already joined me on Infinity for Rogue Leader.

Think that's about it really.

So now you're WhiteKnighting Cakes?

You are Scummy.

[Klingoncelt]

Actually no, that answer means absolutely nothing. I'm still content with my question until I get a real answer.

/Gin

Mastina has magikal powers. She freakin'

knows.

Can't deny that.

[Klingoncelt]

Do you even know what the Rogue Leader is?

As the Star Wars story goes, yes.

I also know what a Mafia game Traitor is. I got $5 that says you're one.

Anniken wanting to join the Dark Side you are.

[Klingoncelt]

Ooh, that's a bad vote klingon.

No, Desperado's tunnel on me is too stalkerish and weird. Add to that his reads on

every

vote on Cakes. The dude is Traitorous Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Ooh, that's a bad vote klingon.

No, Desperado's tunnel on me is too stalkerish and weird. Add to that his reads on

every

vote on Cakes. The dude is Traitorous Scum.

It's rare that I'm so sure of a vote.

Desperado is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm amazed that everyone hasn't auto-sheeped Mastina.

VOTE: Pine-A-Tonics

[Klingoncelt]

Someone with a high accuracy rate should be sheeped.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote Heartless as Rogue Leader

[Klingoncelt]

The Klingon vote was better.

Shut up, Titus. I'm not in the mood for this shit today.

[Klingoncelt]

I'd lynch Mastina and KL as an alternative to a no lynch.

Eww.

[Klingoncelt]

The Thinker
Molla
SirCakez
Pine

I can compromise on a Cakes lynch if no one wants to lynch Pine-A-Tonics. Same with Thinker.

[Klingoncelt]

I'd lynch Mastina and KL as an alternative to a no lynch.

Eww.

Why is Tina town?

Surely you've seen the Flow Chart.

[Klingoncelt]

I mean, no, it's not really throwing shade if he's also voting you and advocating for your lynch but w/e

Also, you insisting that desp go find stuff in your ISO and ask you questions instead of you doing things this game just makes me think you're a lot more concerned with doing

something

instead of doing something that's going to move the game forward.

... Are you saying you think he's a traitor, like the role? Either way, this vote is not a very good one.

Yes, I think Desperado could be a Traitor. Like the Role. Unfortunately I can't say why because ongoing.

I want Desperado to read my ISO because I think he's not a Traitor then he's just looking for a easy lynch.

(And it creeps me out when someone I've never played with is so determined to lynch me for no reason.)

[Klingoncelt]

I'm amazed that everyone hasn't auto-sheeped Mastina.

VOTE: Pine-A-Tonics

... um, why? Mastina up to this point hasn't really done anything that's crazy-town.

Also aren't you voting a confirmed-scum-traitor at this point?

Please don't use the word confirmed unless the player/role/situation has been confirmed.

Too many people are doing that bullshit, it got old a while ago.

No one's getting on the Desperado wagon, hell, some are Townreading him, so I might as well move my vote.

[Klingoncelt]

@Desp if you are RL who is your crew?

Infinity, Piper, Nero

I have a bad feeling about this.

[Klingoncelt]

Just a prod dodge here, I don't need to get involved with VCA arguments or multi/singleball arguments, most of the discussion here has been empty fluff worthy of a Victorian-era luncheon.

Good entrance by Nero, maybe he's Town. I always Townread TTH. Molla and the Piper look Townish. No reads at all on everyone else.

Alright, so I don't like it when people openly admit to prodging but I don't have enough experience to judge if it's AI or not. What I don't like here is that she's saying she doesn't need to get involved in two arguments she listed, but the thing is; is that it was more than just talking about game mechanics/tools.

Like, IIRC there was discussion of white knighting, opinions on counterwagons and overreactions about said arguments beforehand. It feels like an overall generalization to make it look like it was not worth looking into at all when there was actually content in there to begin with.

Also, there is no way it wasn't said before but I'm getting bad vibes from the fact that not a single person pinged as scummy.

Actually after typing that, it really doesn't make much sense at all to say the "VCA and Multi/Singleball arguments" meant nothing but could find that people were townish during that period of posting.

/Gin

You can't say that that boring drawn-out conversation was filled with content. It looked like busywork, idle talk, anything but content-filled. Maybe it's because I prefer concise and have no patience for pages of time-consuming chitchat.

I read players in a different way. Not Alignment Indicative. It had little to do with what was being posted. I'm a meta type.

And Desperado definitely pings as Scum. It's rare that I'm so creeped out by another player.

[Klingoncelt]

If you can't talk with someone in real time you can't read them?

Titus and I could both be Mod-confirmed Innocent Child Masons and we'd still scumread each other. Happens every game.

[Klingoncelt]

30% of 17 is 5.1. Rounding down and including ourselves, I'm under the impression we have four. Am I wrong?

yep you're right

392

Funny that you guys think my ISO is so horrible when this post makes it clear that you didn't actually read it.

[Klingoncelt]

No, it's 3 choices. 30% of alive players means 30% of 16 which rounds to 4.

There are 17 players.

.30 x 17 = 5.1

[Klingoncelt]

I would probably be voting mastin right now if I were by myself. The previous occupant of the slot was scummy. For one thing, a doctoral dissertation isn't something that just sneaks up on you. I'm not completely buying the replace-out reason. PrettyPrincess failed to post anything town in her time here. The two scumreads he may have had came out as potshots (Post 276 and Post 289).

mastina herself hasn't redeemed the slot. The scumreads themselves are mediocre at best. Her interaction with Antihero rubs me entirely the wrong way too. Just when it looked like we were getting Rogue Leader, she says she suddenly might have a change of heart (Post 1084) but she's still so generously

gifting

him the benefit of the doubt (Post 1115). It feels very manipulative to me.

-TTH

According to Pretty Princess' profile page ISO, her last post anywhere on MS was here, on the 13th. Scum usually don't siteflake over a single game. I think she was telling the truth.

[Klingoncelt]

* corrected

I mean, no, it's not really throwing shade if he's also voting you and advocating for your lynch but w/e

Also, you insisting that desp go find stuff in your ISO and ask you questions instead of you doing things this game just makes me think you're a lot more concerned with doing

something

instead of doing something that's going to move the game forward.

... Are you saying you think he's a traitor, like the role? Either way, this vote is not a very good one.

Yes, I think Desperado could be a Traitor. Like the Role. Unfortunately I can't say why because ongoing.

I want Desperado to read my ISO because I think

IF

he's not a Traitor then he's just looking for a easy lynch.

(And it creeps me out when someone I've never played with is so determined to lynch me for no reason.)

[Klingoncelt]

You have a bad feeling about my RL picks when I'm not even close to being voted RL?

I don't like your choices. Doesn't matter if you actually get to employ them.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon isn't town, but ari is scummier.

Oh I'm Town alright.

Sooner or later I'll be lynched or NK'd. I hope after my flip Town looks really hard at you and Desperado.

[Klingoncelt]

Titus I still SR Klingon, I'd go back there in a heartbeat

Except that you can't read me. But you know that I can read you.

[Klingoncelt]

The Thinker (7) - TheWayItEnds, Heartless, Infinity 324, AJ the Epic, Pine-A-Tonics, Desperado, SirCakez, Drunken Piper...

I'm not able to Townread Infinity, Pine-A-Tonics, Desperado, or SirCakez. I can't grab the hammer.

[Klingoncelt]

I can most definitely read you. Nice discrediting attempt though.
Lack of hammer by Klingon probably means Thinker is scum, too.

You can't read me or you would have done it correctly in some game by now.

[Klingoncelt]

@ Kling: The only thing you've said about Thinker all day is that you could compromise on him.

@ Kling: Your Rogue Leader wants this lynch too.

It bugs the fuck out of me that you're on the wagon.

VOTE: The Thinker

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: klingon

Vote: Klingoncelt

I'm not accepting any other lynch today.

Why's she scum again?

She's not. They're going after what they think is low-hanging fruit.

It's okay. My flip will get them both flashlynched.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Desperado

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?

Klingon was a compromise if I couldn't get Infinity and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.

It is preplanned...I wanted Kling yesterday and then she hammered without a claim.

Quit whining. You never did show a case on me.

Because you're Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

It doesn't matter what you interpret his actions as. I certainly never said that. Their actions said they were too busy to even respond to being at L1 and probably should have replaced out. But they didn't, and Kling hammered them without giving them the full allotment of time, and now we're here.

What in ten thousand fucks are you saying?

NO ONE does the "full allotment of time" thing anymore.

You're grasping at straws.

Who was it encouraging me to make that vote?

Oh yeah - it was you.

If this were an in-person game, I'd smack you upside.

[Klingoncelt]

@klingon I'm willing to give you a chance, but you need to explain why me and desp must be scum pushing a mislynch and not town coming to a logical conclusion based on the gamestate.

I'm Town.

Both of you can shove the backpedaling.

Desperado comes out of nowhere with no case declaring me to be Scum, trying hard to get me lynched. Normally that pisses me off, but this time there's an extra layer, unless this fucker's got an alt we've never played together before, which makes his no-case focus on me creepy and stalker-ish.

He finally tells me to vote for Thinker. I do. Thinker could be Scum, they were one of my compromise lynches. They flip Town and Desperado calls me Scum for hammering them. He says they weren't given time to claim.

The stalking fucker set me up.

He's Scum, I'm sure of it.

Not that you're much better. You ridiculed me for voting for you when you were getting the votes for Rogue Leader, then you went after another player (I forget who) that was voting for Heartless when they were leading the Rogue Leader votes.

It's not unusual in the early game for Scum to get picked for special roles.

Your argument against me and that other player based on popularity was completely without merit.

[Klingoncelt]

Spoiler:

The stalling signifies to me that scum were happy with the game state and weren't being wagoned until klingon got traction. Or: none of the wagons were scum and we were just able to lynch thinker at the end due to compromise. But the wagons on pine, AJ, and cakez stood long enough with little enough opposition that I'm comfortable calling them town.

Day 1 VCA is worthless. Please don't waste the bandwidth.

[Klingoncelt]

Yes you do.

[Klingoncelt]

i don't even

Desperado's a pretty common username I think, but I just saw a post by a Desperado at USMB in the Flame Zone. Is that you?

[Klingoncelt]

no

Too bad. It would have made you seem a lot less creepy.

[Klingoncelt]

Ok let's go though this.

unless this fucker's got an alt we've never played together before, which makes his no-case focus on me creepy and stalker-ish.

You keep saying this, but I don't see how you being creeped out means he's scum as opposed to just you being creeped out.

It doesn't encourage a Townread. He has no case on me, and he's not looking much at anyone else.

He finally tells me to vote for Thinker. I do. Thinker could be Scum, they were one of my compromise lynches. They flip Town and Desperado calls me Scum for hammering them. He says they weren't given time to claim.

What's your issue with this explanation?[/quote]

Entrapment.

No Kling, I was encouraging you to follow through with your own words and compromise on a Thinker lynch by giving intent to hammer so they could claim.

Not that you're much better. You ridiculed me for voting for you when you were getting the votes for Rogue Leader, then you went after another player (I forget who) that was voting for Heartless when they were leading the Rogue Leader votes.

It's not unusual in the early game for Scum to get picked for special roles.

Your argument against me and that other player based on popularity was completely without merit.

1. There was about 3 days left until deadline. My issue was with people picking unrealistic lynch targets, and rogue leader candidates would definitely be unrealistic.

2. If you think it was without merit, why does that make it scummy? I think your arguments here are kind of without merit...[/quote]

There were more than 3 days left when I voted for you. 3 days is plenty of time to fill a lynch wagon, if a good enough case is made. I see your point, I did then, but a player winning a popularity contest doesn't mean they're Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Spoiler:

The stalling signifies to me that scum were happy with the game state and weren't being wagoned until klingon got traction. Or: none of the wagons were scum and we were just able to lynch thinker at the end due to compromise. But the wagons on pine, AJ, and cakez stood long enough with little enough opposition that I'm comfortable calling them town.

Day 1 VCA is worthless. Please don't waste the bandwidth.

Ain't no reason to discourage someone from spending their time hunting.

Are we meant to believe you actually didn't look at the VC before hammering/didn't know the time remaining? Because I find this incredibly hard to believe in a hammer situation. And if you honestly DID believe time was running short, I'd expect you to blame Infinity, not Desperado, who was far more concerned about wagoning.

Have you noticed that I catch up through lots of pages? Sometimes I lose track of vote counts.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Pine-A-Tonics