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Hey everyone. I'm Vaxkiller, feel free to call me anything resembling as such. Still skimming over the game, then ill move on to the isos of anyone that pings me during my skim.
I'm a strong believer in the "eager snake" approach to replacing in: Tell me about any important events in the game so I know how each of you feel about them.
That said, im off to read, but I'll keep checking the latest posts, because they are by far more interesting!
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First read through done last night, so im semi caught up.
The biggest thing that hit me was anyone who could possibly think creature is scum is crazy. (Looking at you kuroi)
Rm looks scummy, and so does Gamma.
I dont possibly see how lycan could be lying about his role, and it doesn't seem scummy to me. Can someone explain?
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I'm assuming you are only referring to that part about you thinking creature is scum.In post 1525, KuroiXHF wrote:Elaborate please?
Hes the sun. We have 2 days in a row because of him. How the hell is that a scum ability?
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You have the scummiest avatar.In post 1631, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why the fuck am I at the bottom
Did lycan actually activate some sort of ability or was he jsut screwing around?
I still think we need to lynch boring, thier vote of kurio is bad to say the least, just scrambling for something to turn away the wagon on them.- Vaxkiller
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Since he went to Valinor, does it mean he might come back? It doesn't say he was lynched or anything.In post 1801, Postie wrote:
Valinor is kind-of like an afterlife place in LotR so yes, boring should be dead. Presumably she got janitor'd.In post 1795, mhsmith0 wrote:btw, does anyone know anything about why boring's flip was redacted? I'd guess it was either her role or a scum day power but wasn't sure if there's some other explanation that I'm missing- Vaxkiller
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I only remember kurio, but I dont think he is scum.In post 1802, Creature wrote:Btw, who else was speculating that I must be a scum-aligned Sun? There must have scum around there.- Vaxkiller
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@kuroi
If creature was scum, don't you think the wise move for the scum team would have been to bus him day 1 before there were 2 day cycles in a row?
@Dreal, thats just how creature posts. Yeah its hard to read, but for this game he gets a pass because of his role, im pretty much treating him like an innocent child at this point.- Vaxkiller
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How would who know? The scum team? We are all agreed that creature caused the 2nd day cycle right? So if you are saying creature is scum the scum team would know. Or do you think that ability is a secret ability hidden from creature?In post 1862, KuroiXHF wrote:But how would they have known there would be two day cycles in a row? It's not like game started and we said, "Let's lynch KTS."- Vaxkiller
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Not sure how else to interpret this.In post 916, RadiantCowbells wrote:The sun has returned and the day will continue!- Vaxkiller
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The 2nd part is usually a scum problem.
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You have a point.In post 1959, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for "too many TRs", if you really think it's a scum thing do you think I'd announce it?
@zeifiend
I can actually see gamma using meta as an argument and telling others he doesn't care about meta as town or scum, I don't think it idicates alignment
Why and when.
BTW I just realized I'm town reading postie because he asks "Why" every time I want to know more about something. Not sure if thats a good reason for that read tho.
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Gamma, your above comment I agreed with originally, but upon re-reading is kinda WIFOM'y Why wouldn't you announce it as scum if its a town thing to do?- Vaxkiller
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He seems like lynch bait to me. He is not really contributing, but doesn't appear to be scum either.In post 2185, Creature wrote:Reasons to not vote Creeps20 besides "he's hated"?- Vaxkiller
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He is "part"-scumIn post 2186, Klingoncelt wrote:People, the DEO hydra contains Scum. Please lynch them.- Vaxkiller
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DEO, you think lycan was vigged and NK'd?- Vaxkiller
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The most plausible explanation? If dreal is lying he has to be scum, if hes scum why would they waste a vig shot and NK on lycan, who was lynch bait anyway?In post 2408, The DEO wrote:I do. I find it is the most plausible explanation for no scumkill. Except I don't think scum would shoot there.
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If lycan had dreal as a top scum read, wouldn't he want to redirect dreal onto himself?In post 2418, The DEO wrote:
I am sayingIn post 2414, drealmerz7 wrote:
I really have a hard time following this - I can't see what you're thinkingIn post 2408, The DEO wrote:
I do. I find it is the most plausible explanation for no scumkill. Except I don't think scum would shoot there.In post 2405, Vaxkiller wrote:DEO, you think lycan was vigged and NK'd?
To me the simplest explanation is Drealmerz is lying.
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you say "no scumkill" but then, by your logic, isn't lycan the scumkill and I'm lying about my vig timing?
what is my lie? ugh this is realllly frusrtating
MB, check yourself if you're town, I think you just get lost on crazy theories to explain things
to me this just feels like scum pushing an agenda hardcore though
Scum submit you to do kill on player X.
You vig Lycanfire for cred.
Lycanfire having you as a top scumread redirects all your actions to him. Since you claimed killing role and based on thread meta he was likely being mislynched.
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roflIn post 2502, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw I'm not explaining my Vax vote- Vaxkiller
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I really like FA's activity, im getting good town vibes. I'm glad it came to a slot that no one could read. Please dont ask for roles from other townies tho.
For the past day I've been looking into and makign a post about what postie/gamma/DEO have been saying about their PT's, hoping there would be something there. Now that I have finished, I feel like I'm at the same place where I started. I still don't trust gamma, but I don't think there was any information surrounding the PT's that aided that opinion.- Vaxkiller
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Yes
Postie/Gamma
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Oh yeah, in that game I seem to recall you being scumIn post 2647, drealmerz7 wrote:and he was town in Ttyll and I saw the same sort of "issues" with him, so- Vaxkiller
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Here is what I had on the PT's for wahtever good it is.
Gamma/Postie PT
Gamma/DEO PT
Postie seems suspicious of Gamma. Posts 1834 2103 2109 2123
DEO trusts gamma and is trying to pass information to postie through him -Posts 2126 2127
Is the information not arriving? Because postie seems to be indicating that gamma is not being helpful at all. @Postie is gamma not answering specific questions, is he just being silent or what? Some context would be great.
Gamma are you not talking with postie because you think he is scum? Reading through your iso I see that you pushed him early on in post 159, but then defended him in 435, so I'm not sure what your current thoughts on postie are at the moment, because those are quite old. You seem to think DEO is town in this post here 1963
Postie seems to trust DEO post 2134 but is slightly paranoid of him in an earlier post 1950.
Deo seems to trust postie in posts 1345 and 2090 and is requesting in this thread to talk privately through the PT's - see post 1826
So what the fuck does all this shit mean?
I keep running all these scenarios through my head:
town!postie scum!gamma town!DEO The gamma scum scenario is the most likely. Gamma seems to be getting along with DEO but not postie. I can't find any of gammas thoughts on postie, only postie thoughts on gamma. This appears to be the breakdown in communication. I am biased however, I think my outside opinion (of this topic) of gamma is leaking in.
town!postie town!gamma scum!DEO This is possible, DEO seems to really want to get information to postie, but postie doesn't trust gamma. This could be town or scum motivated tho
scum!postie town!gamma town!DEO I'm town reading postie and this (while possible) seems highly unlikely.
scum!postie scum!gamma town!DEO Very unlikely. Postie is suspicious about gamma not being cooperative in chat.
town!postie scum!gamma scum!DEO Possible, but unlikely.
scum!postie scum!gamma scum!DEOI can't conceive this possibility.
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I'm here, catching up now, sorry I had something come up over the weekend. If you have a specific question just ask it and ill answer it while I catch up.- Vaxkiller
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I get that, but my problem with you is that both of you have different reads, so its easy to say "Oh, my other head thinks that, hes crazy" and then just push whatever agenda you feel like.In post 2704, MathBlade wrote:Titus has RL. Never accuse RL of being fake. Sometimes one head in a hydra posts more than another.
He bought your vote?
Can you explain your FA vote to me because I don't get it. Her activity is through the roof. I know activity is non-AI, but her thought process leans toward game solving and I fail to see the scum motivation behind it.
mhsmith brought up some good points in 2848, which scares me because he is not part of my town block.
DEO, you seem to be going after my hard town reads. Do you think creature is scum too?
I would liek to see more pressure here.
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It scares me because I don't have a good read on him so I don't know if I'm being manipulated or not.In post 2889, Frozen Angel wrote:
If they are good points then what is scaring you?In post 2887, Vaxkiller wrote:mhsmith brought up some good points in 2848, which scares me because he is not part of my town block.
What is your "town block"?
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No, Being manipulated by mhsmith by shedding light to DEO's posts and questioning his reads, but without actually calling him scum or voting him.In post 2891, Frozen Angel wrote:Being manipulated about the townread on me or being manipulated about the way you feel about him townreading me?
and what are your townreads?
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I've posted all my town reads before. Creature is town because he brought about the 2nd day (some people dispute this). You and postie are town because your posts show a clear thought process with active game solving.In post 2893, Frozen Angel wrote:Why you're townreading us?
and what about not townreading us three is scummy?
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@FAIn post 2887, Vaxkiller wrote:DEO, you seem to be going after my hard town reads. Do you think creature is scum too?
The above isn't my reason for voting DEO. Scum should just want to lynch middle of the road people, not people who are actively trying to solve the game. The above is just me commenting on my surprise that he is going after these people, who are my town reads.- Vaxkiller
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No, I want more pressure on DEO.
I should have wrote
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Vote DEO""- Vaxkiller
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Jareed hates jokes. Check.In post 3104, JaeReed wrote:DEO wagon had Vax having an awful jump on with a "bought your vote" comment in response to Titus saying Math bought drinks.
I just want DEO to consolidate their reads and stop contradicting thier selves (half the head says the think someones scum and the other half doesn't) It's a big deal because every time something comes up, the other head speaks up and says "that was titus/mathblade, that wasn't me"... but it WAS you. You are hive mind, you are hydra.
This is why I want pressure on DEO
If they can't do that, they need to be lynched, because scum!DEO can just keep on skating on through this game this way.- Vaxkiller
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Are you town reading Jareed and Klingon?- Vaxkiller
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People keep asking for a case because you have nothing.In post 3111, JaeReed wrote:The people asking me to case Vax after I already did so are mostly my townreads + zef I think?
I went though the rest of your iso and found anything you had to say about me... its all just "Vax is scum" and "I already presented my case"
Here is the one post I could find where you say anything of value... and its all about Vedith, and its all from page 9 and before.
In post 2100, JaeReed wrote:
So far it's just what I've noticed early on in the game.In post 2082, Postie wrote:
Go for it.In post 2080, JaeReed wrote:I can try to give a soft case if it'll help?
Alright, Gamma scumread around the push on Clemency.
Reasoning: 51 followed by 54 and 56. Hanlon's razor. Titus towncred for 57/59 given that.
By page 5 in my reread I was at Gamma scum, DEO town. Creature and Creeps I was on the fence about as I disliked both of their votes on S_S.
I agreed with 113 and 128
Enter Vedith in 137 with a post that is awful in a way I can't really describe because words. But it's a bad post and there's a reason that I can't articulate right now.
169 still by far the worst hop on I think given Deimos post prior in 154. That said I always misread Klingon and she bubbled KTS and I can't see why she'd do that from a scum perspective. Especially as she's still passing on information from him, which means he trusts her to do so, which means she's not omitting things on him. (Trust is evident in the fact that he's obviously still talking in the PT)
184 again from Vedith is really bad in light of how things have gone down. I don't like the push away from Gamma here. I don't believe it's town motivated, regardless of Gamma's alignment. There's no reasoning why that doesn't make Gamma scum.
205 I again dislike from Vedith. S_S had a clearly expressed scumread on Gamma and possibly on DEO (started with DEO then dropped that in favour of thinking Gamma was the most likely scum on his wagon). I don't like the off-handed dismissal of Gamma being scum without any reason why at all. The reads on Rach and Kuroi are again both dismissive and indicate he doesn't want to read them. Then the characterization of drealmerz in order to justify a scumread there as though people can't have quieter games pings me. The last two lines "The rest, who knows as of yet? Now your turn." comes across as grandstanding. Like he's trying to make a point of "I've been pro-town here".
Here is most of times you have mentioned me:
Spoiler:
Klingoncelts reason for voting me:
Thats it.In post 3122, Klingoncelt wrote:KTS Scumreads KuroiXHF and Drealm. These two and Vax are the likely Scumteam.
At this point I'm not sure which is scummier to be honest.
Jareed, you keep saying you have something, but you have nothing.
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?In post 3133, Postie wrote:I mean this is all you could come up with after 126 pages of content? Like really?
I keep trying to read his iso to get a read and I can't. I can't get a read on DEO, because its literally 2 people with 2 opinions.- Vaxkiller
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Ugh, waht a shit night, then I come back to this.
Jesus, look at the apathy on my wagon, just look at the last page. Can anyone in their own fucking words explain their vote on me? No, they dont even fucking know.
I'm an element cop, I can inspect someone to figure out how many elements their role has. Last night I inspected Lycan, he obviously had 2.- Vaxkiller
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No lynch is not an option, and it looks like gamma is going to be replaced as he has not posted, and he has been posting everywhere else on the site. I doubt we are going to get a good read on his replacement in the time remaining, if one can even be found in time.
We need to agree on a lynch, but I'm not lynching inside this pool: Creature, FA, Postie.- Vaxkiller
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0In post 3165, mhsmith0 wrote:vax, if you investigated a VT or goon, would you get 1 or 0 as your answer?
Yesterday I was pretty sure lycan was town, but he was the top counterwagon, so I wanted to use my ability on him to confirm how many elements wer ein his role.In post 3167, mhsmith0 wrote:also vax, what in particular made you investigate lycan last night?
Yesterday when I said "I dont think lycan can be lying about his role" it was because I thought he was telling the truth about this:
I mean how the could anyone make that up?In post 285, Lycanfire wrote:I'm Kalista, a Requested Soulbinder Modified Conditional Flavor Cop Global Modified Cop Modified Reflexive Delayer Double Dayer.
I didn't realize until today that it was a joke.
@DEO
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Thats a lynch, way to fucking go.In post 3175, The DEO wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller
For Titus. She said if certain things happened vote Vax. She is in court so I am.
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You thought I claimed at L2?
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Nice shade, scumIn post 3189, mhsmith0 wrote:btw, does anyone who knows math know whether derp-hammering like that is at all AI for them? Like, is this something she does as either alingment normally, neither alignment normally, etc.? It seems kind of odd that they'd throw down a vote near majority without double-checking the votes, but idk if that's just a sloppy playstyle kind of thing and I shouldn't read into it.- Vaxkiller
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Wow you agree on something AFTER im lynched. Thanks.
BTW, what was it that came to light that made you vote for me?
In post 3175, The DEO wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller
For Titus. She said if certain things happened vote Vax. She is in court so I am.
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You have been off my radar because you have done nothing, but now you come in and start posting? LOOK AT ME, im mhsmith I'm HELPING!In post 3195, mhsmith0 wrote:
That's not shade, that's a legitimate questino about whether Math's sloppiness (which is transparently what happened if they were town) is legitimate or if it should be read into. Some players are in fact sufficiently sloppy that it's reasonably within what we shoudl expect; I don't know Math well enough to know if it applies to them or not, thus I punted the quesiton to the group.In post 3191, Vaxkiller wrote:
Nice shade, scumIn post 3189, mhsmith0 wrote:btw, does anyone who knows math know whether derp-hammering like that is at all AI for them? Like, is this something she does as either alingment normally, neither alignment normally, etc.? It seems kind of odd that they'd throw down a vote near majority without double-checking the votes, but idk if that's just a sloppy playstyle kind of thing and I shouldn't read into it.- Vaxkiller
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So its Titus's and zefiend's fault im lynched.... great.In post 3198, The DEO wrote:
Titus said to wait and see if Zefiend interacted with your wagon. I did.In post 3196, Vaxkiller wrote:Wow you agree on something AFTER im lynched. Thanks.
BTW, what was it that came to light that made you vote for me?
In post 3175, The DEO wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller
For Titus. She said if certain things happened vote Vax. She is in court so I am.
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She said if zefiend was scum he would avoid your wagon like the plague. I thought he was Town and so when I thought he unvoted I voted you. I think zefiend is scum for the bait and switch.
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Ok, fine, I get it now.In post 3203, mhsmith0 wrote:
Do you think the question itself is meaningless and useless? Did you think that the questions I'd asked of you BEFORE math's hammer were meaningless and useless? I guess I don't really see the theory you're advancing here, or why you think it's particularly scum-indicative to come in when your wagon is at L-1 and be productive.In post 3200, Vaxkiller wrote:You have been off my radar because you have done nothing, but now you come in and start posting? LOOK AT ME, im mhsmith I'm HELPING!- Vaxkiller
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FA was so obv town, I couldnt even fight it, lol. To be honest there were so many obv towns it was really hard to hide as scum.
Very well played everyone, had a good game.
@mod, great flavor, great setup! Very nice!- Vaxkiller
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Do you like constructing them?In post 5339, Frozen Angel wrote:I never had fun in a mafia game after bloodborne so yeah- Vaxkiller
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I'm patiently waiting for techies btw.In post 5344, Frozen Angel wrote:
I do and I am construing themIn post 5342, Vaxkiller wrote:
Do you like constructing them?In post 5339, Frozen Angel wrote:I never had fun in a mafia game after bloodborne so yeah - Vaxkiller
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