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Post Post #10161  (isolation #800)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:54 am

In post 10159, karnos wrote:I think I broke the liberal.

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Post Post #10163  (isolation #801)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:57 am

In post 10162, karnos wrote:In summary, I said Obama was making the racist claim the minorities can't obtain voter ID.


which was wrong and dishonest
also, this representation of what you said is also wrong and dishonest

Psyche posted a quote from some North Carolina court confirming that racists there think blacks can't obtain valid ID.

wrong,
before the id laws, blacks could and did get valid ID
that's the reason racists there made the laws
they found the ways blacks were getting ID, and eliminated them

what would be the point of passing these laws making it harder to get a voter id in the first place
if black people were already too lazy/incompetent to get the ids?
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Post Post #10166  (isolation #802)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:00 am

In post 10164, karnos wrote:Maybe Psyche and friends have a point. ID laws are unfair and discriminatory.

I suggest that from now on all gun sales should proceed without the requirement of showing an ID, after all it would be completely racist to allow only ID-carriyng whites to purchase firearms while refusing the sale to minorities who are unable to obtain an expensive $29 driver license or ID card.

While we are at it, something needs to be done about alcohol sales as well. It's blatantly unfair that we need to show an ID in order to buy beer, wine, or harder alcohols. These racist laws requiring ID must be immediately abolished.

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Post Post #10169  (isolation #803)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:11 am

do you think when donald is inaugurated he'll have someone replace that grainy cover photo on his twitter
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Post Post #10170  (isolation #804)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:14 am



btw karnos i think you'd really appreciate the [tweet] tags
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Post Post #10175  (isolation #805)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:40 am

In post 10172, karnos wrote:
In post 10168, Shaziro wrote:Requiring some manner of proof of residence is not what is being referred to by "ID laws", "ID laws" refers in this context to laws which limit the types of proof of residence allowed below previously accepted levels.


So are making the racist argument that only minorities have trouble obtaining proof of residence?

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Post Post #10176  (isolation #806)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:42 am

In post 10174, karnos wrote:If you think that race is irrelevant and people of all races are capable of obtaining proper ID, the argument falls apart.

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Post Post #10177  (isolation #807)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:44 am

In post 10171, Fluminator wrote:
In post 10160, Psyche wrote:
In post 10157, Fluminator wrote:Wait, are people saying voter ID laws are racist in this thread?

yeah they're designed to make it disproportionately harder for minorities to vote

Oh boy

the supreme court (or was it federal courts) forced nc to change its laws because of this
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Post Post #10185  (isolation #808)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:48 am

In post 10179, karnos wrote:
The argument only works if you are assuming some group (minorities, duh) are incapable of obtaining IDs.

still wrong
and a dishonest representation of what you said
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Post Post #10186  (isolation #809)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:49 am

In post 10183, karnos wrote:I said: "The argument only works if you are assuming some group (minorities, duh) are incapable of obtaining IDs."

You proceeded to show me how you think certain blacks are incapable of obtaining IDs.

Thank you for proving my point, but I still think it's a racist argument to say that black people can't obtain an ID.

And FYI, every state has an ID card option. You don't need to pass a driving test to get an ID card.

This is because you moved the goalposts. Before you were claiming obama believes minorities are incompetent/lazy.
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Post Post #10187  (isolation #810)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:50 am

In post 10184, Persivul wrote:
In post 10182, Wraith wrote:1. Black people are less likely to have a Driver's License, the most common form of photo identification

Yabut you can get an ID that isn't a driver's license. Noting that a driver's license is the most common form of photo ID is just a bullshit smokescreen.

They looked for the forms of ID that black people disproportionately used. And then made them ineligible.
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Post Post #10248  (isolation #811)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:19 pm

In post 10199, Wraith wrote:Meh, it's more he doesn't have any actual arguments to fall back upon so he's just filling the thread with nonsense. It's the patented Trump Troll strategy.

it's so bizarre
trump has already won
what is the point of acting he still must be fought for
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Post Post #10249  (isolation #812)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:20 pm

In post 10245, Lurker wrote:Looks like racist is the go-to buzzword here. This is going to be a fun read.

i prefer the phrase "recurring theme"
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Post Post #10252  (isolation #813)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:26 pm

nope
no intellectual honesty
escape while you can
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Post Post #10261  (isolation #814)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:42 pm

lots of stuff is white privilege and sexism don't let it get toyou
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Post Post #10266  (isolation #815)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:11 pm

In post 10265, Kublai Khan wrote:Is karnos going to pay people to applaud his posts?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/t ... dia-233496

this is genius khan it is genius
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Post Post #10269  (isolation #816)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:21 pm

i don't like it when people use quotation marks to indicate supposed paraphrasing of what someone has said
quotation marks are sacred
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Post Post #10270  (isolation #817)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:21 pm

In post 10268, Accountant wrote:
In post 10251, Lurker wrote:
In post 10249, Psyche wrote:
In post 10245, Lurker wrote:Looks like racist is the go-to buzzword here. This is going to be a fun read.

i prefer the phrase "recurring theme"



This a thread for civil discussion? My social media is cuck libtard trumpette and a few others. I just want to know if I'm to expect intellectual honesty relatively speaking, I'm interested in what I've seen so far.

Any person that unironically uses the word "cuck" in a political discussion is not here to have a legitumate discussion

that's what lurker is saying
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Post Post #10336  (isolation #818)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:34 am

really?
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Post Post #10338  (isolation #819)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:41 am

boooring
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Post Post #10344  (isolation #820)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:17 am

ok it's time to talk abou An Other thing
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Post Post #10376  (isolation #821)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:00 pm

In post 10352, karnos wrote:CNN & BuzzFeed actually thought the above was real news.

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Post Post #10377  (isolation #822)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:02 pm

In post 10372, karnos wrote:Uh, can only give you a reddit link

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Post Post #10381  (isolation #823)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:49 pm

i just don't think karnos would be singing this tune if the unverified claims were about, say, a child sex ring in a boston pizza parlor
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Post Post #10383  (isolation #824)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:52 pm

idk where pizzagate was but if i were making a fake news story about it i'd locate it in boston
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Post Post #10389  (isolation #825)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:46 pm

CNN and Buzzfeed both reported the contents of the dossier as unverified, even emphasizing as much in their headline. This careful underscoring the value of sources is what makes the difference between fake news and journalism. In the articles, they never refer to the dossier's contents as real news, instead focusing on the hubbub surrounding it on the Hill.
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Post Post #10392  (isolation #826)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:19 pm

rubio made me remember that i like him in that tillerson hearing
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Post Post #10396  (isolation #827)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:31 pm

which do you think is more likely:
donald ran for president to get revenge on obama
donald ran for president to promote his brand
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Post Post #10399  (isolation #828)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:11 pm

well ur mindset is that of those fake coconut flakes they sometimes put on cakes
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Post Post #10404  (isolation #829)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:03 pm

In post 10400, Political Clout wrote:
In post 10399, Psyche wrote:well ur mindset is that of those fake coconut flakes they sometimes put on cakes


xddddddddd.

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Post Post #10416  (isolation #830)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:31 pm

In post 10410, karnos wrote:
In post 10381, Psyche wrote:i just don't think karnos would be singing this tune if the unverified claims were about, say, a child sex ring in a boston pizza parlor


Look at Psyche lying through his teeth. I've never pushed pizzagate, simply because it is indeed unverified. Unlike certain liberals in this thread, I am only posting verified truths or hilarious jokes.

i didn't say you pushed pizza gate!
please read more carefully next time!
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Post Post #10419  (isolation #831)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:32 pm

In post 10412, karnos wrote:Sorry, news broke yesterday and was immediately refuted by just about every single news agency

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Post Post #10427  (isolation #832)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:53 pm

saying a story is unverified isn't the same as refuting it
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Post Post #10431  (isolation #833)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:59 pm

the fact that there's such thing as a burden a proof for people who defend those claims doesn't mean you can falsely say those have been refuted

instead, say they're "unverified"
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Post Post #10435  (isolation #834)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:02 pm

no one has promulgated the idea that the story is true because it was reported by a reputable news organization

in fact, not even buzzfeed has promulgated that idea
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Post Post #10438  (isolation #835)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:05 pm

i'm not trying to pick at technicalities
but when you say "refuted" people can get confused about what you think is going on i know i got confused u know me: mr confusedhead
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Post Post #10439  (isolation #836)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:05 pm

In post 10437, karnos wrote:
In post 10435, Psyche wrote:no one has promulgated the idea that the story is true because it was reported by a reputable news organization

in fact, not even buzzfeed has promulgated that idea


So you are now making the claim that liberals in this thread are pushing the news even though they know it's utter BS?

I see you have a really low opinion of the others who share your political views.

they r trolling u
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Post Post #10440  (isolation #837)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:09 pm

in my honest opinion donald trump is an impressive and interesting figure who could do a lot of good things if he plays his cards right
however i think even his political campaign has done a lot of harm to a variety of people and portends many more harms in the future
he's like battery acid soaking on the establishment and some things about the establishment are good
like telling the truth, being respectful of others and at least pretending not to like torturing people
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Post Post #10442  (isolation #838)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:12 pm

however i am optimistic that donald has learned that torture is bad and even that he will learn other bad things are bad as he continues his presidenceness
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Post Post #10443  (isolation #839)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:15 pm

In post 10441, karnos wrote:
In post 10438, Psyche wrote:i'm not trying to pick at technicalities
but when you say "refuted" people can get confused about what you think is going on i know i got confused u know me: mr confusedhead


Meh, I think you are just making a silly argument.

It's been refuted by the dude on twitter who has claimed he wrote the whole thing as some stupid fanfic on 4chan. Now sure, his claim isn't verified, but neither is the original article source, so they either both count or neither.

So either you count the unverified sources, in which case the article is absolutely refuted, or you do not count unverified sources, in which case the article is refuted because it's unverified.

There is no scenario where the article is anything but refuted garbage.


you see the bad logic in this post can be found in line three
it's not a false dilemma: it's definitely true that one can either count the unverified sources or not count them, whatever countinf means
however, the consequences of not counting either article is not finding that one or both articles are refuted
instead you have the position you had at the beginning: that both articles are unverified
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Post Post #10446  (isolation #840)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:18 pm

the only way to "refute" the article is to have some verified source contradict its core accusations or, perhaps more plausibly, a verified source that contradicts claims about the article's sourcing

i do believe it'll happen
i guess maybe you're right that i should wonder if others in the thread are so confident
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Post Post #10447  (isolation #841)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:20 pm

the day i realized obama was a liar was after the leaks about the nsa's domestic surveillance program
I WAS SO INNOCENT
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Post Post #10448  (isolation #842)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:22 pm

but all the fact checking sites say donald lies more than even the dudes he ran against in the primary
ranking alongside dems he lies more than bernie, obama and hillary in that order
but hey maybe hillary lies about BIGGER stuff
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Post Post #10453  (isolation #843)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:30 pm

that's just a columnist saying the phrase should go it's not a statement of WP editorial policy
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Post Post #10462  (isolation #844)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:01 am

In post 10449, karnos wrote:Oh, this is excellent news. Looks like Hillary is going to prison.


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this is wrong too
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Post Post #10493  (isolation #845)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:23 pm

i blame their parents tbh
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Post Post #10536  (isolation #846)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:07 pm

i wanna help all the people u listed karnos :(
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Post Post #10541  (isolation #847)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:40 pm

In post 10539, karnos wrote:But if it's tax dollars, it should help the people who pay those taxes first, before going to support people in other countries who have never paid into the system.

why? because you said so?
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Post Post #10542  (isolation #848)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:43 pm

In post 10537, Political Clout wrote:
In post 10536, Psyche wrote:i wanna help all the people u listed karnos :(


What's with the tribe mentality? Or is it just sheltered kid mentality that can't handle the world? More to the point what are you going to do to help them? Or do you actually want other people to help them as long as it doesn't interefere with whatever the hell you want to do whenever the hell you wanna do it? Silly libtard I bet you do wanna help them just as long as it isn't you actually helping them. Muh muh government help them.


the way you choose to spend ur time being randomly adversarial to strangers on the internet is frankly pathetic and from here out i will no longer enable it
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Post Post #10558  (isolation #849)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:55 pm

In post 10554, T S O wrote:Did you know this thread had been made into a video?

is this nazi germany
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Post Post #10583  (isolation #850)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:21 am

In post 10576, Political Clout wrote:American has no duty toward refugees only Americans.

???
what kind of moral philosophy do you subscribe to that makes you think you only have a duty toward people with the same citizenship as you?
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Post Post #10584  (isolation #851)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:22 am

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/politics/ ... d=33422588

trump just promised universal healthcare guys
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Post Post #10589  (isolation #852)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:48 am

In post 10586, Not_Mafia wrote:But specified he didn't mean single payer.. so...

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Post Post #10628  (isolation #853)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:22 pm

In post 10625, karnos wrote:
In post 10622, Davsto wrote:Ahahahahahaha using the daily mail as if it's a legitimate source ahahahahahaha you tickle me in so many ways, none of them right



Attacking the Person (argumentum ad hominem). Definition: The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the argument itself.

LMGTFY:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Maria+L ... e&ie=UTF-8

Ohhhh man. Someone call the emergency room, Davsto just got BURNED!

karnos is the kind of person who thinks these posts are exceptionally clever
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Post Post #10650  (isolation #854)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:02 pm

i want half of those traits for myself
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Post Post #10655  (isolation #855)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:28 pm

First on CNN: Trump's cabinet pick invested in company, then introduced a bill to help it
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/politics/ ... index.html

LITERAL CORRUPTION
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Post Post #10665  (isolation #856)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:41 pm

pathetic
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Post Post #10667  (isolation #857)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:43 pm

you're literally interrupting an argument about whether it's appropriate to attack a story by attacking its source so you can attack a story by attacking its source
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Post Post #10672  (isolation #858)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:45 pm

not only are you wrong you're a baldfaced hypocrite
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Post Post #10673  (isolation #859)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:47 pm

there's a difference between reporting about a dossier of unverified accusations being circulated around capitol hill and publishing fake news
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Post Post #10676  (isolation #860)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:51 pm

for now on when you ask why i call you fundamentally dishonest i just link to page 427 of this thread
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Post Post #10693  (isolation #861)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:14 pm

pathetic
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Post Post #10747  (isolation #862)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:37 am

In post 10730, karnos wrote:
In post 10655, Psyche wrote:First on CNN: Trump's cabinet pick invested in company, then introduced a bill to help it
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/politics/ ... index.html

LITERAL CORRUPTION


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN1510EZ

"the stock purchase was directed not by Price but by a broker and that Price himself did not become aware of the stock buy until well after the legislation was introduced."


Remember kids, CNN is fake news.

you'll swallow anything they stick down your throat
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Post Post #10760  (isolation #863)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:14 pm

In post 10749, theplague42 wrote:
In post 10723, T S O wrote:
In post 10700, Not_Mafia wrote:I think karnos is ~15 and just set his age to 38 to stop people talking about his age


Yes, yes, keep trying to arbitrarily shame people into shutting up with baseless accusations like this.

Obvious joke is not obvious, apparently.

i think it's a legit theory
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Post Post #10761  (isolation #864)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:16 pm

In post 10753, karnos wrote:
In post 10747, Psyche wrote:
In post 10730, karnos wrote:
In post 10655, Psyche wrote:First on CNN: Trump's cabinet pick invested in company, then introduced a bill to help it
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/16/politics/ ... index.html

LITERAL CORRUPTION


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN1510EZ

"the stock purchase was directed not by Price but by a broker and that Price himself did not become aware of the stock buy until well after the legislation was introduced."


Remember kids, CNN is fake news.

you'll swallow anything they stick down your throat


Sorry, you are projecting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tom+pri ... e&ie=UTF-8

Net Worth $10,791,080 to $16,489,063

And you think he cheated to buy $2700 worth of stock, to hope it might increase into... what exactly?

The man has money. You are insane if you think a person in that position would risk so much for such a tiny potential gain.

From your fake news article: "Price bought between $1,001 to $15,000 worth of shares last March in Zimmer Biomet, according to House records reviewed by CNN."

Psyche, why do you think CNN gave such a large range? If they actually reviewed the records, shouldn't they have an exact figure? Get a clue. It's fake news. They made up the absurd range because the real figure is so tiny.


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Post Post #10821  (isolation #865)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:08 pm

why does what a few randoms get worked up over trouble you so much/reliably
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Post Post #10874  (isolation #866)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:40 pm

mike pence came out as gay
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Post Post #10876  (isolation #867)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:50 pm

https://osf.io/awz2p/

recent meta-analysis suggests the IAT doesn't relate much with actual explicit attitudes or even behaviors
maybe it can be thought of as a result of racism, but to call it a part of driver of racism would be stretchy
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Post Post #10927  (isolation #868)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:37 pm

In post 10916, inte wrote:real sad that you have to explain things to trump supporters like they're a 2nd grader

not all trump supporters
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Post Post #10979  (isolation #869)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:21 pm

the same stupid dance
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Post Post #11038  (isolation #870)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:20 am

wait
for the record
you're endorsing that kind of logic?
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Post Post #11041  (isolation #871)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:56 am

poorly structured, though
for example, who was he mocking?
trumpsters for using the gif to demean bill? but they don't take seriously the issue with objectification?
liberals for taking issue with objectification? but aren't they the ones most likely to actively argue the gif depicts nothing of the sort?
whatever point he's trying to make comes off as muddled/contrived
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Post Post #11043  (isolation #872)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:47 am

“When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity,”


This is my favorite line from the speech, though I find it pretty rich coming from him.
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Post Post #11047  (isolation #873)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:06 am

another for the record question:
does tso condemn trying to silence people that don't agree with you, or does he just condemn hypocrisy?
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Post Post #11071  (isolation #874)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:40 pm

In post 11049, karnos wrote:Just quit posting, please. Nobody is going to care about what a liar says.

you admitted earlier that trump is a liar and do care about what he says
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Post Post #11072  (isolation #875)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:42 pm

In post 11068, Sesq wrote:Why is karnos so bad?

It seems like everyone thinks he's an absolute bane to logic and reason, but he seems fine to me, as does almost everyone here.

he makes arguments in bad faith
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Post Post #11126  (isolation #876)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:07 am

In post 11114, LlamaFluff wrote:"Maybe there are two types of people in the world. People who favor humans over ideology, and those who favor ideology over humans. Right now the ideologs are winning, and creating a stage for constant artificial high drama. Where everyone is either the magnificent hero or the sickening villain. What is true is that we are both clever and stupid. What is true is that we are grey areas." - Jon Ronson

Found listening to a somewhat unrelated TED Talk, but it feels pretty fitting for the current political climate.

his name is jon ronson??
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Post Post #11132  (isolation #877)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:39 am

it really breaks my heart to see such brazen stupidity
i know this comes off as snide or sarcastic but i really am just sad someone could be so dense
so many posts in this thread assert the most obviously false stuff, and i've really started to give up hope that a reasoned discussion can do anything about it
you guys are so far gone
how did this happen???

i know i'm not going to get a good answer
maybe you'll just insult me, or say a joke you've convinced yourselves is clever/funny
but i really want to communicate in as sincere a tone as I can how bad i feel for you guys
i have a brother with a learning disability
he's earnest and hardworking, but he can't really think through basic problems
when a challenge presents itself in life, he worries over it constantly, trying his best to react the best he can, and fails even fully grasp what's going on
and it's not just, like, getting a math problem right: it hampers him from getting along in life in general, from doing the right thing, from being happy
i could have been like him and he could have been like me if random circumstances just went a little differently; he could have the privileges I do and I could be dealing with a life I can't really grasp on a basic level—and sometimes the unfairness of it all just kills me
you guys seem to care as much as i do about understanding the world, about standing for what's right, but you seem to be in my brother's shoes, lost in the basic intellectual sense
probably not due to some profound learning disability (I'm sorry if you feel like I'm accusing you of that), but maybe because of other factors of your situations, like maybe deprivation growing up
and i really do feel bad; perhaps i thought otherwise before but it really does look like you're trying your best to be correct, trying your best to be reasonable, trying your best to be decent — you just can't and maybe you're too far gone to ever be able to
if i were in your shoes, i wouldn't even be aware of it; i'm sure reading a post like this would just piss me off
but i'd be cut off from so much, from most of what i know today is important and worth living a life around
so...i'm sorry
from now on, i'll try to be nicer about it i really will
whatever happened to make you this way, it's not your fault, and to act like it is would be as douchey as me teasing my brother for failing to get his degree
i really wish the best for you, and hope the next four years treat you okay
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Post Post #11133  (isolation #878)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:47 am

In post 11128, CommKnight wrote:
In post 11127, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 9925, CommKnight wrote:- Media played a big role in it too. With main stream media lying so much and covering up some serious shit with "Oh no, Trump posted a nasty tweet, let's forget about the fact Hillary might actually be involved in a child sex trafficking ring. It's not like some of the most powerful rings are established government officials or anything!" (People got really upset with MSM's constant bashing of the right while ignoring all the bad about the left).

Do you legitimately think that there is a child sex trafficking ring run by powerful government officials in the basement of a pizza parlor in Washington DC?


Would you honestly doubt the possibility? Remember, a man held a girl captive for 18 years in his house and back-yard. A registered child sex offender at that and had 2 daughters with her.

Don't believe everything you hear from others, criticize everything, but do not also deny something solely due to low probability on a regular day. After all, we're talking about some elite government officials who are capable of doing some serious shit with no one batting an eye or even learning of it.

how much money would you bet on the proposition that hillary clinton is part of a child sex trafficking ring?
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Post Post #11152  (isolation #880)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:29 am

so passionate
yet so wrong
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Post Post #11158  (isolation #881)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:06 am

I will really try to engage with Trump supporters without being snide, and definitely do this all the time irl with trump supporter friends. But my trump supporter friends irl are much less poorly informed and/or morally deficient than most trump supporters posting itt. I can talk plainly with them about the value of an America First foreign policy or the harms of trade deals or the plight of rural voters without entertaining arguments made in bad faith, or having to forge agreement on basic facts, or conspiracy theories about white genocide or child sex rings in pizza parlors being run by former secretaries of state. There are a lot of really thoughtful arguments for Trumpism, and I read and discuss them with others every single day. But they hardly ever come up in this thread. I know you won't believe me and in fact you'll feel insulted when I say you're just not even minimally well informed about most of the issues you write wall posts about, but it's what I've come to believe after participating in 450 pages of this thread. Some of you aren't even stupid, but that hasn't kept you from believing some really straightforwardly false shit, partly because of the kind of information you consume, and partly because of how you've learned to process it. Like I said before, though, I shouldn't hold that against you and I shouldn't be a dick about it. It's a really sad situation to be in, and you deserve compassion/support.
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Post Post #11159  (isolation #882)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:08 am

In post 11155, Garmr wrote:
In post 11152, Psyche wrote:so passionate
yet so wrong

Do you mean all those riots from Hillary supporters which vandalize everything? Also before you go but trump supporters are violent to. How much property damage have these hillary rioters caused compared to trump?

I was talking about the posts itt. No one in the thread was talking about riots at this time, so it sort of confuses me why you'd think I might mean that.
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Post Post #11162  (isolation #883)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:41 am

Nationalism just doesn't suit me very well. I feel like I should care as much whether an American in rural South Dakota thinks life is worth living as I do about whether a Chinese national who works on a farm does. It seems immoral to support policies that hurt many non-Americans in order to make a smaller number of Americans well-off.

But it's not so simple, and I recognize this. I favor my brother's success over some stranger's success because there's a bond of shared blood and upbringing between us. It's maybe not concretely rational, but a lot of values aren't. Still, it is a fundamental one; not one I can readily cast aside in favor of others. Something weaker than those bonds but still potent might bind Americans. Maybe the reason minorities in general don't as readily embrace this stance is because a lot goes on in America that violates such supposed bonds.

In practice, there has to be some kind of mediation. Self-interest, and also helping others. But the answer then seems to be to prefer policies that benefit both Americans and those abroad, or at least that benefit Americans without doing lots of harm elsewhere. And even still, if rights matter then benefit can't be it's own justification when others are harmed...
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Post Post #11167  (isolation #884)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:58 am

In post 11164, Garmr wrote:Also I don't get the womans march.
It's fucking stupid since donald trump isn't anti woman. Might as well call it another anti trump march

people think he's anti-woman
do you understand why a lot of people disagree with you that he's not anti-woman
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Post Post #11175  (isolation #885)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:47 am

In post 11171, Garmr wrote:People think is the key word. He hasn't announced any anti woman policies that I know of. If your talking about his scandals then people are dumb and can't find anything better to riot about. A personal scandal doesn't = a bad policies.

Also a new president that isn't there choice is no excuse for property damage.

well, for example, a lot of people think
being anti-choice about abortion or being in favor of defunding planned parenthood or being against laws ensuring equal pay for equal work is being anti-woman
donald trump and/or members of his cabinet and/or the official platform of the party he now leads have embraced policy positions like these
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Post Post #11177  (isolation #886)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:55 am

i don't think these people find the comments antiwoman because they are trash-talking or highlight that he's a star and has a lot of sex
they find them antiwoman because they describe and endorse sexual assault
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Post Post #11183  (isolation #887)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:32 am

In post 11181, karnos wrote:Abortion is not even the real issue. It's a states rights thing.

There are really 3 possibilities on the scale.

Current- states required to allow abortions.

Future- state law determines the restrictions, if any, on abortions.

Potential- federal law outlaws all abortions regardless of state law.

Trump spoke of overturning roe vs wade. That is the only thing he was expecting to do on the abortion front, which simply returns to the state laws. If you live in a state with laws you disagree with, you can move. It's hilarious to me that so many people were promising to move to Canada if Trump wins yet these same people won't even actually move out of a state that has state laws on the books against abortions.

a lot of people think constitutional rights should be protected no matter which state someone lives in
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Post Post #11185  (isolation #888)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:41 am

yes comma no
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Post Post #11195  (isolation #889)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:19 am

In post 11187, karnos wrote:
In post 11185, Psyche wrote:yes comma no


You are denying the 21st amendment to the Constitution?

Go back to school, kid.

You're such an unlikeable person.
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Post Post #11201  (isolation #890)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:28 am

but you're also, like, being a dick?
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Post Post #11210  (isolation #891)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:41 am

why are you using quotation marks if inside them you're going to type something no one has ever said
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Post Post #11215  (isolation #892)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:57 am

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Post Post #11222  (isolation #893)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:11 pm

In post 11221, karnos wrote:Image


...why should we protect our environment and climate?
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Post Post #11225  (isolation #894)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:14 pm

oh sorry i thought you were misquoting like you usually do
also another occasion to point out that you're an asshole
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Post Post #11227  (isolation #895)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:15 pm

In post 11224, karnos wrote:
In post 11222, Psyche wrote:...why should we protect our environment and climate?


Ask the women who were marching. The ones who left their shit all over the streets of DC and didn't bother to clean up after themselves.

But you're the one who shared the image asking why we should care about the environment.
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Post Post #11229  (isolation #896)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:21 pm

I made a mistake and then you were an asshole about it. That's why I called you an asshole. Not because you called me out on it.
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Post Post #11236  (isolation #897)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:54 pm

In post 11234, Sesq wrote:as for anti-choice... I think he'd be just as against it if it was men who were pregnant, or men and women. I'm not sure if i'd say it's anti-woman


In our universe, it's women who get pregnant. Not men.

Also, wage gap not real. Seriously. This is getting stupid.


You're wrong.
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Post Post #11241  (isolation #898)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:12 pm

After accounting for college major, occupation, economic sector, hours worked, months unemployed since graduation, GPA, type of undergraduate institution, institution selectivity, age, geographical region, and marital status, AAUW found a remaining 7 percent difference between the earnings of male and female college graduates one year after graduation. That gap jumped to 12 percent 10 years after college graduation (AAUW, 2012; AAUW Educational Foundation, 2007). Other researchers have reached similar conclusions about gender discrimination and the pay gap. For instance, a study of medical researchers found an unexplained gap of 6 percent between comparable men and women in the field, and a recent study of the American workforce as a whole found an unexplained gap of 8 percent (Jagsi et al., 2012; Blau & Kahn, 2016).

And the nature of the wage gap is often masked by controlling for these variables. For example, the level of compensation within an occupation as a whole has been shown to partially depend on the proportion of women within it. And disparities in how work is shared within households can impact the number of hours a woman is available to work. Et cetera.
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Post Post #11242  (isolation #899)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:13 pm

In post 11240, Davsto wrote:Okay because Psyche has opted for the "just say no and expand no further" answer which is kinda irritating for all parties involved


isn't that what sesq did?
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Post Post #11244  (isolation #900)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:44 pm

handholding is a lot of work and unfortunately i can only do it grudgingly
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Post Post #11245  (isolation #901)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:48 pm

when two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim

it's sesq who declared that the wage gap isn't real; i disagree that it can't be proven that a page gap isn't real but if you were right that would just make her claim even more wrongly asserted
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Post Post #11266  (isolation #902)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:55 pm

In post 11249, CommKnight wrote:Honestly I'm waiting for the guy I'm talking to, to come back and reply. Because the majority of people skipped over my point entirely. Psyche I have already put aside as arrogant prick in my head.

it's not as good a point as you think it is o humble one
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Post Post #11267  (isolation #903)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:08 pm

In post 11248, Sesq wrote:Can you prove the wage gap is real?

i cited some studies to show it's reasonable to think a gap is real what kind of proof are you looking for
Also, it's been illegal to give women lower wages since the seventies.

sure but just as more could be done to ensure immigration or voter eligibility laws are followed, more can be done to ensure pay gap laws are enforced
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Post Post #11269  (isolation #904)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:37 pm

that's what i said!
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Post Post #11274  (isolation #905)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:12 pm

petition to ban term "numbnuts":

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Post Post #11287  (isolation #906)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:50 pm

she's participating in a march centered around abortion rights and vagina hats so maybe she just has a really nontraditional view of what sharia is
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Post Post #11288  (isolation #907)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:58 pm

In post 11278, Postie wrote:
In post 11274, Psyche wrote:petition to ban term "numbnuts":

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Post Post #11301  (isolation #908)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:36 pm

u mean like the presidential press secretary's last appearance?
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Post Post #11303  (isolation #909)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:40 pm

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2017/0 ... 00619.html

steinum wrote this about the march earlier, though i don't like the idea of one woman speaking for everyone who marched
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Post Post #11306  (isolation #910)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:53 pm

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did you know "your" can be plural
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Post Post #11309  (isolation #911)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:01 pm

probably to undermine and signal/rally opposition to trump/republicans
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Post Post #11405  (isolation #912)  » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:36 pm

you really think donald trump is anti-authoritarian?
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Post Post #11416  (isolation #913)  » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:54 am

before donald she supported ted cruz
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Post Post #11436  (isolation #914)  » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:10 pm

In post 11419, karnos wrote:What exactly did this march stand for?

sharia and torture
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Post Post #11472  (isolation #915)  » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:28 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/21/us/fe ... t-low.html

interesting article on why the nps stopped counting people
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Post Post #11546  (isolation #916)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:39 pm

i laughed lots the whole way through
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Post Post #11547  (isolation #917)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:43 pm

if trump actually does something about chicago and it works i will be nice to him
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Post Post #11549  (isolation #918)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:02 pm

i probably enjoy it more because certain kinds of people hate it
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Post Post #11563  (isolation #919)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:43 pm

karnos that is an op-ed
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Post Post #11565  (isolation #920)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:46 pm

facile
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Post Post #11568  (isolation #921)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:55 pm

a clearcut example of karnos's habit of deflection
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Post Post #11579  (isolation #922)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:02 pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-kru ... ill-2017-1

karnos will post this soon so i better pre-empt

i really wish krugman would more carefully manage his standing as a widely respected economist he's making the technocrats look bad
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Post Post #11583  (isolation #923)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:09 pm

a left wing tea party has been a dream of many forever
i'm not sure how i feel about some of the economic ideas but i've learned to chase passion wherever it happens
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Post Post #11585  (isolation #924)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:15 pm

a big problem with bernie's slant is that his campaign was centered on this idea of "greed" and elitist morality instead of systemic issues
but hey maybe that was his appeal
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Post Post #11591  (isolation #925)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:57 pm

do those people even vote
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Post Post #11594  (isolation #926)  » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:08 pm

their presence on your facebook feed explains the focus you put on habits of people in the far left
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Post Post #11618  (isolation #927)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:46 am

In post 11604, karnos wrote:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_jan26

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-one percent (41%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 44% who Strongly Approve of the way Trump is performing and 31% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of +13 (see trends)."

quite a cherrypick
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Post Post #11623  (isolation #928)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:01 pm

douchebag
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Post Post #11640  (isolation #929)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:27 pm

do you *think* bill should have gotten a pass for lying about lewinsky??
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Post Post #11641  (isolation #930)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:28 pm

In post 11639, karnos wrote:Trump didn't lie

r u saying he was just deluded bc that is credible i spose
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Post Post #11681  (isolation #931)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:56 pm

i don't see how mexico *doesn't* pay for the wall to be honest
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Post Post #11682  (isolation #932)  » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:59 pm

like, even now there are probably taxes or other funds flowing in from mexico
maybe not a net positive flow, but a flow
what really stops trump from increasing those even marginally and earmarking the added yearly amount for the wall?
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Post Post #11710  (isolation #933)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:09 am

In post 11694, T S O wrote:It's not like he gives a shit what the media thinks of him anyway.

he seems sort of obsessed with what the media thinks of him but i get what you mean here i guess
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Post Post #11711  (isolation #934)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:11 am

In post 11695, T S O wrote:And if you think the only way that Mexico can pay for the wall is a one-time donation all in cash handed personally from Pena Nieto to Trump then you're hopelessly naive. At the least, he has NAFTA.

why can't u be nice?
i made almost the exact same point earlier without being a dick
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Post Post #11722  (isolation #935)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:53 am

are we really going to rehash gamergate
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Post Post #11740  (isolation #936)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:35 am

i like to troll too
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Post Post #11749  (isolation #937)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:26 pm

he went through the trouble of linking the jackie chan meme in response to an accountant post
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Post Post #11758  (isolation #938)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:57 pm

^alternative fact^
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Post Post #11765  (isolation #939)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:02 pm

In post 11760, karnos wrote:
In post 11756, Davsto wrote:tl;dr Zoe Quinn wasn't the one running for President



TIL Davsto is fine and good with corruption, cheating, bias, & lies as long as it's not a [Republican] President doing those thing.

such a karnos post
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Post Post #11877  (isolation #940)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:52 pm

In post 11782, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 11778, Davsto wrote:Despite using the "phobia" ending, Islamophobia does not refer to the irrational fear of Muslims as most "phobia"s do (in that sense, it is much like homophobia).

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It generally came about because prejudice against Muslims/Islam didn't have a proper term to refer to it (as generally the term "racist" was rejected as Islam is not a race)

Next?

So you concede that it's a made-up word. Great.

Just because you deem that a suffix means something else when creating a buzzword doesn't change the actual definition of the suffix.


all words are made up honey
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Post Post #11878  (isolation #941)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:54 pm

In post 11825, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 11821, Davsto wrote:
In post 11815, kuribo wrote:But there's a word that means "prejudiced against muslims," and just because you see it as a buzzword doesn't make it less useful

Literally this

The word "Islamophobia" means "prejudiced against Muslims". That's its definition. No more. No less.

How can this not get into your head? It's hardly a complex system.

The tendency of leftists to make up buzzwords with contrived definitions doesn't mean the rest of society ought to readily accept them.

I suppose you would fit in with the LGBTQANOPQRS community, at least. They have a bad habit of inventing words and phrases.

there are 3 buzzwords in this post alone honey
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Post Post #11886  (isolation #942)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:16 pm

karnos isn't distinctive for being "semi-conservative" as you put it
he's distinctive for being a dick
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Post Post #11888  (isolation #943)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:18 pm

you can look at someone's posts in this thread by clicking the ISO link above one of their posts or using the module at the bottom of any given page
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Post Post #11890  (isolation #944)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:24 pm

i honestly don't see any reason to go through the trouble of holding your hand through this further
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Post Post #11893  (isolation #945)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:35 pm

i'll keep calling karnos a dick when i think he's being a dick
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Post Post #11897  (isolation #946)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:43 pm

In post 11895, Accountant wrote:Psyche do you now appreciate how frustrating it is when people can't see self-evident things

we all have our blind spots
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Post Post #11899  (isolation #947)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:48 pm

I'm sure I am more sensitive, but it's in part because I think politics is a highly sensitive topic. One has to make an extra effort to be respectful in discussions like these, or nothing can come out of it except butthurt.
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Post Post #11913  (isolation #948)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:12 pm

what's the opppressive tenet of islam you're afraid of that is being accepted/sympathized with in that image
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Post Post #11924  (isolation #949)  » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:15 pm

Her sympathy for American Muslims wearing hijabs out of choice does a disservice to Muslims compelled to wear niqabs who are actually experiencing oppression.


How does her sympathy for the one have anything to do with the other?
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Post Post #11938  (isolation #950)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:16 am

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Post Post #11968  (isolation #951)  » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:02 pm

lol
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Post Post #12000  (isolation #952)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:48 am

ignore list, shaz
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Post Post #12026  (isolation #953)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:51 am

can someone explain to me what is going on with this so-called person
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Post Post #12034  (isolation #954)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:37 am

he's ruining other people's lives, though
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Post Post #12041  (isolation #955)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:24 pm

karnos thinks it's okay to treat people like they don't have rights as long as they aren't americans
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Post Post #12047  (isolation #956)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:30 pm

In post 12045, pisskop wrote:The UN only has the power we believe they have.

oh so you also don't believe in human rights
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Post Post #12048  (isolation #957)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:35 pm

Our vetting is already really effective. Since 1975, no one from the countries has done any terrorist attacks on American soil. What does the banning do except hurt people and make us look bad?
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Post Post #12055  (isolation #958)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:20 pm

In post 12051, pisskop wrote:Everyone thinks they have these magical rights that dont actually exist

do you believe in human rights or no
all of your posts since i last asked haven't really been relevant to anything anyone is talking about
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Post Post #12056  (isolation #959)  » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:46 pm

no one from the banned countries has performed an act of terrorism on american soil since the early 70s
knowing this, why do you think our vetting process is so unreliable that an outright ban on their travel here is necessary?
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Post Post #12127  (isolation #960)  » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:18 pm

Rudy Giuliani told Fox News that the intent of yesterday’s order was very much a ban on Muslims, described in those words, and he was among the people Trump asked how they could find a way to do this legally.

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kind of sheepy to take everything the administration says at its word without giving a second thought
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Post Post #12136  (isolation #961)  » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:59 am

In post 12133, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 12127, Psyche wrote:Rudy Giuliani told Fox News that the intent of yesterday’s order was very much a ban on Muslims, described in those words, and he was among the people Trump asked how they could find a way to do this legally.

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kind of sheepy to take everything the administration says at its word without giving a second thought

Funny how the left chooses to accept Guiliani's position on a matter when it suits their false narrative.

Have you actually read the executive order? Hell, try to ctrl-F "Muslim" or "Islam."

The seven countries included under the executive order were initially outlined by Obama. Trump drafted the order with those laws already on the books. To claim that he or his administration targeted any group is patently false when it was Obama's administration that set the groundwork for the order.

do u think guiliani was lying
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Post Post #12153  (isolation #962)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:51 pm

those were good tso posts
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Post Post #12158  (isolation #963)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:08 pm

think narrative would be mostly the same with caveat that saudi arabia is the ONLY country banned to which donald has business ties
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Post Post #12169  (isolation #964)  » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:10 pm

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such a nerdy reference
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Post Post #12221  (isolation #965)  » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:55 pm

really annoyed they put Vox and even Slate so close to The Atlantic and The Guardian
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Post Post #12223  (isolation #966)  » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:02 pm

LOWER
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Post Post #12227  (isolation #967)  » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:25 pm

wasnt donald trump a top donator to the clinton foundation too
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Post Post #12230  (isolation #968)  » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:59 pm

yah yah i don't really enjoy the wall street journal but i'll be damned if the stuff they publish isn't always legit and uncontested
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Post Post #12238  (isolation #969)  » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:56 pm

lol
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Post Post #12249  (isolation #970)  » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:57 pm

can we have a moratorium on "that"
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Post Post #12272  (isolation #971)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:34 am

lol
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Post Post #12275  (isolation #972)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:16 pm

ive always disliked them i guess now i know why >:]
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Post Post #12276  (isolation #973)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:20 pm

In post 12270, karnos wrote:Even the Huffpost can't ignore reality forever, admits Trump is right:

https://archive.fo/x0i4u

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what i thought everyone thought this was good
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Post Post #12279  (isolation #974)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:44 pm

as for me being the opposition party is sort of cathartic
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Post Post #12285  (isolation #975)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:17 pm

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/06/media/k ... d=34176718

bowling green massacre wasn't a one time thing
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Post Post #12287  (isolation #976)  » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:16 pm

i guess i tend to rationalize the lies of people on my side like that too
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Post Post #12292  (isolation #977)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:09 am

In post 12289, karnos wrote:So you think H1B Visa immigrants are illegal immigrants?

I think I should just block you again, you are making completely idiotic statements.

trump evidently wants more than illegal immigrants deported
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Post Post #12294  (isolation #978)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:10 am

In post 12291, karnos wrote:
In post 12275, Psyche wrote:ive always disliked them i guess now i know why >:]


Because you are a racist against whites?

oh yeah nothin gets my blood boiling more than a human being with lightly toned skin
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Post Post #12297  (isolation #979)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:14 am

um
what do you think happens when visas and green cards and so forth get revoked?
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Post Post #12305  (isolation #980)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:44 am

In post 12299, karnos wrote:
In post 12297, Psyche wrote:um
what do you think happens when visas and green cards and so forth get revoked?


They get deported. Are you trying to claim that this is something new with Trump?

Grow a brain. People were deported 20 years ago if they had their visa revoked, that has nothing to do with Trump.

you're missing the point mr. brain
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Post Post #12306  (isolation #981)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:46 am

In post 12302, karnos wrote:This is why you can't use politifact as a source if you want to be taken seriously:

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Mr. Brain, if you look at the part of politifact mentioned in this image, its sourcing is not a donald trump tweet but a bill o'reilly interview. Even if Donald said the exact same thing in the interview, this image doesn't do the work of showing that politifact was wrong at all.
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Post Post #12310  (isolation #982)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:06 am

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Post Post #12313  (isolation #983)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:15 am

amazing
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Post Post #12320  (isolation #984)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:41 am

but you have to take into account why trump is using that figure
he's trying to convince everyone listening that his executive order only directly impacted around 100 people
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Post Post #12341  (isolation #985)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:42 pm

why isn't a disaster if an american citizen comes a criminal of any sort
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Post Post #12349  (isolation #986)  » Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:50 pm

In post 12342, karnos wrote:
In post 12341, Psyche wrote:why isn't a disaster if an american citizen comes a criminal of any sort


Nobody says it's not, but I am glad to see you are attempting to set up a straw man right on schedule.

but you were trying to set up a comparison...
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Post Post #12363  (isolation #987)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:13 am

karnos's reddit link is from that time an admin decided to troll some trump supporters isn't it
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Post Post #12365  (isolation #988)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:16 am

sigh it is
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Post Post #12379  (isolation #989)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:13 pm

Oh look, blatant trolling by someone too stupid to actually debate anything.


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Post Post #12380  (isolation #990)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:14 pm

In post 12378, karnos wrote:When did I ever say reddit's censorship is more important than voting suppression?

no one claimed you said reddit's censorship is more important than voting suppression, mr brain
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Post Post #12383  (isolation #991)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:30 pm

In post 12381, karnos wrote:
In post 12380, Psyche wrote:
In post 12378, karnos wrote:When did I ever say reddit's censorship is more important than voting suppression?

no one claimed you said reddit's censorship is more important than voting suppression, mr brain


I see you do not speak English fluently, that's too bad.

"karnos why do you care more about non-existent reddit "censorship" than actual real-life voting suppression?"

That fake question is outright stating that I care more about reddit's censorship than voting suppression.

yeah but no one claimed you said reddit's censorship is more important than voting suppression, mr fluent english speaker
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Post Post #12388  (isolation #992)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:39 pm

In post 12386, karnos wrote:t same word, I used the same meaning.

It's funny how you selectively understand that.

politifaked ADDS a word to a Trump quote, because it was implied? You are A+ 100% on board.

I change a phrase to a word with the same meaning? ZOMG, karnos is a liar!

Never mind the fact that you choose to nitpick about such crap instead of arguing against my point.

you decided to nitpick over whether you ever claimed a particular thing instead of arguing against plague's point
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Post Post #12389  (isolation #993)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:40 pm

karnos the most interesting thing about you is the huge gulf between how smart you think you are and how smart you obviously are
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Post Post #12392  (isolation #994)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:42 pm

In post 12390, karnos wrote:Your fake question implies that I have weighed the negatives of reddit censorship against the "negatives" of voter ID, and I decided that reddit censorship negatives are worse.

no it doesn't
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Post Post #12393  (isolation #995)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:43 pm

In post 12391, karnos wrote:He did not have a point.

his point was that you seemed to care more about reddit censorship than about voter suppression...
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Post Post #12396  (isolation #996)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:49 pm

i believe you misread his post, thinking he'd claimed that you'd said you care more about reddit censorship than voter suppression, even though he never made that claim

i feel like you could have guessed all this from reading my posts...
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Post Post #12401  (isolation #997)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:10 pm

In post 12399, karnos wrote:He did say that.

you are plainly wrong
i'm sorry that i can't help you understand why
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Post Post #12404  (isolation #998)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:38 pm

It's like talking to a really smug wall.
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Post Post #12412  (isolation #999)  » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:02 pm

im frankly confused, inte
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