In post 8359, karnos wrote: In post 8358, Kublai Khan wrote:
So.. does karnos think that Al Gore is a climatologist? Or anything other than a politician?
There is that moving of the goalposts I was talking about, right on schedule.
It's not goalpost moving at all. Don't use terms you don't understand.
Al Gore is a former Vice-President, a former Senator, and a self-described environmentalist. He does not have a degree in climatology. He does not research climate science for a living. He is an activist, which means he tries to convince people to donate money to a cause. So he either exaggerates or misinterprets data. If you want to refute the idea of anthropogenic climate change, then refute the actual scientist's conclusions.
In post 8360, karnos wrote:
Though it is interesting that Al Gore gets a free pass on lying, as a politician, while you will jump on every little thing that Trump writes that has yet to be proven to be 100% true.
Interesting how you give Trump a free pass on lying... etc..
In post 8371, karnos wrote: In post 8368, Aeronaut wrote:
You understand that we've already seen this happening all over the world, right? Sea levels are rising. It's a fact. Just because al Gore wasn't right about the speed in which it's happening doesn't mean it's not. The Netherlands aren't going to exist in 50 years, because half their islands will be enveloped. Let that sink in
So fucking what?
karnos doesn't care about Dutch people.
I can tell you that tonight, the sun is going to seemingly disappear and leave our land in darkness for some time. That doesn't mean it's caused by humans, and it also doesn't mean you should spend billions of dollars studying the problem of why the sun goes down at night.
This is such a dumb argument, I'm not sure you realize how dumb it is. Nobody is saying that all natural processes are caused by humans. But research into the relationship between the Sun and the Earth was a major scientific breakthrough and led to many scientific, cultural, and engineering advances.
Climate change is real. Sure.
Climate change is caused by humans. Provably false, as we have had multiple ice ages in the past.
That doesn't prove it false. The cause of previous ice ages have been mostly identified. There is typically a specific cause like volcanic eruptions or meteor impact which raise the amount of particulate matter in the atmosphere (reflecting/refracting sunlight). The ice ages will usually end when vegetation dies off (because lower amounts of sunlight) cause measurable increases in greenhouse gases (carbon dioxide, methane, NOx). This is has been catalogued by examining bubbles of atmosphere in ice formed in places like Antarctica at the time of the ice age in question.
Okay, than this specific case of climate change is caused by humans. Probably, maybe, but what does that mean?
Remember that increases in greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane (and NOx) usually precede the ends of ice ages (because they trap in heat like a greenhouse)? If we are releasing those gases into the atmosphere in waste products, then we are impacting the makeup of the atmosphere.
This case of climate change is going to leave the earth doomed in a few years. Proven false the last few times it was predicted, but this time is for real?
Haven't you heard the story of the boy who cries wolf?
I agree that activists have made the doom & gloom predictions too often, but then again the NRA warns about gun-grabbing Democrats every 4 years and people believe it.
Besides, some would argue that a little warming would be a good thing, maybe in a post-warming world Canada will be able to support life, as an example.
Some may argue it, but those people are wrong. They should talk to farmers about how weather and climate predictability is a good thing. Droughts, floods, dustbowls, etc would be hell on crop yields and they can't just up and move farm equipment up North on a whim. Also, Canada supports plenty of life. Climate change would decrease biodiversity though, which is also super-bad.
We need strict pollution laws to fight climate change in the USA, while China, Russia, India, Mexico keep on building more factories! I thought the change was global? Do you really think anything is going to be solved merely by pushing it outside of our national boarders?
Gosh, if only we got together with other leaders and made plans to try to encourage global change, compare research, and work out plans for decreasing greenhouse gas output. Wait, we do. Word leaders are trying to use economic incentives to reduce emissions instead of outlawing them entirely. Places like India, China, and Mexico are building factories, but they are factories with much stricter anti-pollution laws than the US has had. Weren't you once arguing how stupid it was that India was refusing to use it's coal deposits because of environmentalists?
I have just never been wrong