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Post Post #275  (isolation #0)  » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:35 pm

@ Realeo: Ya, agreed. I found myself nodding along with Maria's thoughts a lot, actually.

@ ThinkBig: You think it's scummy to be afraid?

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One thing I didn't agree with Maria on was Superhans. Think he's town and I like the wagon that he and Dunnstral had going on Gamma, who has been active but has spent more time discussing previous games than hunting scum; further evidenced by what appears to be an RVS vote on a replacement on page 11.

Unvote
Vote: Gamma Emerald


Just ISOed Realeo to asses the competing wagon and saw that he's now voting Gamma as well, I liked what I saw particularly early on from Realeo so that makes me feel even better about this vote.
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Post Post #276  (isolation #1)  » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:35 pm

Gamma can you be more explicit? What are you afraid of?
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Post Post #278  (isolation #2)  » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:38 pm

Who else is scum?
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Post Post #289  (isolation #3)  » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:02 pm

In post 283, Superhans wrote:Dunnstral is scummy.


What are you seeing that I'm not with Dunnstral?
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Post Post #294  (isolation #4)  » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 222, davesaz wrote:V/LA till Monday.

In post 263, davesaz wrote:@mod: Dunnstral and I voting for a cloned player?

Fixed!


Hey Dave, hope you enjoyed the holiday weekend.

It's Tuesday now though. What do you think about the Gamma and Realeo wagons? Why are you voting SAJ?
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Post Post #351  (isolation #5)  » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:47 pm

Unvote
Vote: Antihuman
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Post Post #353  (isolation #6)  » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:06 pm

My vote on Gamma was quite well explained. I didn't think he'd produced enough game related content and he was still RVSing on page ten.

I didn't like Antihuman's entrance into the thread for many of the same reasons Gamma pointed out.

Antihuman's slot was null and now it's leaning scum, while Gamma was leaning scum and is now leaning town, hence the vote switch.
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Post Post #354  (isolation #7)  » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:08 pm

And what exactly is "easy" about a one-man wagon being driven by the current lynch candidate?

Do you have any thoughts on Antihuman's entrance?
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Post Post #368  (isolation #8)  » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:05 am

In post 357, Realeo wrote:I can relate to the people who are getting town vibe from Gamma.

But I cannot relate to the people who are moving that extreme to the spectrum of "scum lean" -> "town lean"


Lean scum > lean town is "extreme" to you? And even if it were...why? He wasn't producing content unless someone gave him an opportunity to talk about a previous game. Now he's providing content and it aligns with my thoughts to boot.
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Post Post #369  (isolation #9)  » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:09 am

In post 361, Realeo wrote:My current stand is that Antihuman is like Superhans, awkward. Awkwardness is not explicitly a tell. =/


We're reading Antihuman completely differently. I see confidence where it doesn't belong, not awkwardness. He's not engaging with the thread and his only other reads are dependent on being sheeped.
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Post Post #373  (isolation #10)  » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:20 pm

You don't have a single scum read, Kop?
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Post Post #376  (isolation #11)  » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:42 pm

In post 374, davesaz wrote:Posted around 12:15.
In post 328, grapes wrote:Antihuman replaces ReubenWasFine!


Posted around 2:19. (2 hours later)
In post 329, Antihuman wrote:Lol everybody who's sheeping the Gamma wagon "cause he posts fluff" should take a good fucking look at ThinkingBig


I think this looks like a player who arrived just after a VC and did catchup by iso of the players on the biggest wagon. The 2 hour gap shows that there was plenty of time to do that.
The catchup post has a lot more detail than I'd expect from scum trying to pick someone at random to push to derail a wagon on a buddy.
Not sure why y'all are reading it that way. I'm open to being convinced. Is there something wrong with the points in 329?


Who said this?
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Post Post #389  (isolation #12)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:08 am

@Dunnstral that's incredibly lazy scumhunting. You haven't even discussed the composition/progression of the wagon or why the four people who are voting Antihuman are doing so being you thinking Antihuman is towny.

Why are you convinced there's scum on a four man wagon on a town lean?
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Post Post #391  (isolation #13)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:18 am

In post 388, Antihuman wrote:What's your basis for judging the proper level of my self-confidence? We don't have history together.


In the context of this game I felt like you were projecting overconfidence in your read.
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Post Post #393  (isolation #14)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:26 am

What was scumThink doing with the RQS? You dismiss it as useless RQS bullshit, which is something I don't understand.
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Post Post #396  (isolation #15)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:57 am

In post 394, Realeo wrote:Can I safely assume that those who vote AntiHuman thinks ThinkBig is town?


No, not for me
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Post Post #401  (isolation #16)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:06 am

You said you would go in to detail. The most detailed you get is "the people jumping on you for pushing ThinkBig are scummy."

You don't explain your townread at all, you say he's quite a bit different than some other game and then leave it open ended by questioning yourself.
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Post Post #405  (isolation #17)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:12 am

The same reason people think anything is scummy--because he did it in a scummy way. Particularly attacking the V/LA on Christmas and the lack of compelling analysis.

What you call butt heads I call engaging.

@ Realeo: Think could be scum yeah. Don't like that he started the RQS and then didn't analyze any of the responses, and his response to Antihuman's push is very limp. Scum theater is definitely a possibility.
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Post Post #407  (isolation #18)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:14 am

Yes I did.


.....?
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Post Post #413  (isolation #19)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:18 am

In post 353, Desperado wrote:My vote on Gamma was quite well explained. I didn't think he'd produced enough game related content and he was still RVSing on page ten.

I didn't like Antihuman's entrance into the thread for many of the same reasons Gamma pointed out.

Antihuman's slot was null and now it's leaning scum, while Gamma was leaning scum and is now leaning town, hence the vote switch.

In post 357, Realeo wrote:I can relate to the people who are getting town vibe from Gamma.

But I cannot relate to the people who are moving that extreme to the spectrum of "scum lean" -> "town lean"

In post 368, Desperado wrote:
In post 357, Realeo wrote:I can relate to the people who are getting town vibe from Gamma.

But I cannot relate to the people who are moving that extreme to the spectrum of "scum lean" -> "town lean"


Lean scum > lean town is "extreme" to you? And even if it were...why? He wasn't producing content unless someone gave him an opportunity to talk about a previous game. Now he's providing content and it aligns with my thoughts to boot.
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Post Post #449  (isolation #20)  » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:11 pm

In post 442, Alisae wrote:Hi! Let me read up on shit before I do reads and all that good stuff. Anything specific ywall want me to go over?


Your thoughts on the last ten pages basically. Gamma's wagon > Antihuman's replace in and push on ThinkBig > Antihuman's wagon > Dunn's defense of Antihuman.
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Post Post #485  (isolation #21)  » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor


So do you still think Antihuman is scum?
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Post Post #488  (isolation #22)  » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:20 pm

So you still think Antihuman is scum for doing scummy things, but you're voting me because sometimes traitors are obvious about showing themselves to their team?
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Post Post #489  (isolation #23)  » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:21 pm

And...any thoughts on literally anything that's gone on in the game? You even asked for help and you've given us zilch.
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Post Post #509  (isolation #24)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:42 pm

In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Desperado - Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.


Um....

I'm voting Antihuman?
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Post Post #511  (isolation #25)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:46 pm

Ya but then you didn't explain the SL on me either, so I'm questioning the authenticity of your read. Why do you think I'm bussing Antihuman right now?
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Post Post #514  (isolation #26)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:08 pm

7 wagons and two people not voting with 3 days left is a recipe for disaster. We need to start coalescing around competing wagons.

@ ThinkBig: Vote your biggest scumread.

@ Superhans and Kop: what are you guys even doing right now

@ Dave: I thought SAJ was town and while Alisae is definitely eroding that read with this traitor push she isn't getting lynched today. If not Antihuman, who?

@ Alisae: Vote your scumread. I'm not the traitor and this push doesn't make any sense when the Antihuman wagon exists.

@ Realeo: Your slapfight with Gamma has produced a lot of words and accomplished nothing. You've also gone out of your way to a) not give a read on Antihuman (the closest you've come is calling him awkward and explicitly noting that it's NAI) and b) spent a lot of energy tying him to ThinkBig. What is your read on Antihuman? Who are you willing to vote that can actually get lynched?

@ Dunnstral: What do you make of ThinkBig leaving the AH wagon to vote you despite a reads list that has Antihuman as his biggest scumread?
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Post Post #515  (isolation #27)  » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:10 pm

In post 513, ThinkBig wrote:I never said you were bussing AH. I said that you two are scum reads for me.


Antihuman is your only real scumread and I'm voting him. One necessarily follows from the other.
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Post Post #547  (isolation #28)  » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:58 am

I'd say two days before the deadline is exactly the time to be in a rush about it.
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Post Post #571  (isolation #29)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:12 pm

In post 566, algebra wrote:Even though I don't agree with Superhans line of thinking, I do think it is genuine scumhunting.


You're still voting Realeo and no one is voting Superhans.

Do you have any thoughts on someone who might actually get lynched today?
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Post Post #573  (isolation #30)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:24 pm

I wasn't attempting to offer analysis
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Post Post #592  (isolation #31)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:56 pm

Really don't like AH linking Alisae and ThinkBig like he is. AH-ThinkBig team gaining steam.
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Post Post #614  (isolation #32)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:54 pm

In post 595, Superhans wrote:
In post 592, Desperado wrote:Really don't like AH linking Alisae and ThinkBig like he is. AH-ThinkBig team gaining steam.

Hmm you think ThinkBig would be trying to push his scum partner into a lynch, just to gain town cred? Seems implausible to me.


There's not much point to discussing it in detail at this point but yes, I think AH would replace in as scum and post a BS case on a partner, especially when he's now claiming it wasn't legit to begin with. And I think ThinkBig and AH could see that they might become competing wagons as a result and ramped up the bussing.
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Post Post #615  (isolation #33)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:55 pm

In post 602, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 592, Desperado wrote:Really don't like AH linking Alisae and ThinkBig like he is. AH-ThinkBig team gaining steam.


Can you point out where he's linking tb and alisae?


Is this a joke?
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Post Post #616  (isolation #34)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:56 pm

In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Lol this readlist's such bullshit

In post 570, ThinkBig wrote:
Revised Read List


Algebra - Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC. <--- Completely unnecessary comment. Trying to appear better by having one extra scumread

Alisae - By far my biggest town read. He shows genuine interest in the game and shows genuine scum hunting. <--- because she scumreads me too, how surprising

Superhans - Town lean. I disagree with his logic, but I understand where he is coming from <--- aka "I know his reasons for scumreading me are valid but I'll just wait until he gets bored and goes away"

ssbm_Kyouko - Null town. <--- in your previous readlist, she was a "null lean", which looks like a hilarious slip. You don't wanna look like you have too many nulls but you have no reasons for townreading her.

Davesaz - Null town. <--- for what? He's defended me and he's voted Desperado for logic which you called flatout wrong!

Kop - Null <--- what's your opinion on Real's case on Kop?

Gamma - Null <--- but he's my partner, member?!

Desperado - Null, leans scum. I don't really buy the traitor theory nor do I buy the logic behind it. <--- Why the fuck are you scumleaning on him then?! Leaving your options open? You should be scumreading people who started pushing him for wrong reasons instead! (including your strongest tr, Alisae...)

Realeao - Scum lean. 561 screams opportunistic and sheeping. I also don't like how he is constantly flipping his reads and can't seem to make up his mind. <--- How the hell is he sheeping when he's provided valid reasons for scumreading you, just like Superhans. How come you don't "disagree with his logic but see where he's coming from" here? Being undecided isn't a scumtell too. You've scumread me for tunnelling, which is a complete opposite! You also haven't addressed his points...

Antihuman - Continuing to throw shades and continuing <--- what the hell does that even mean? If scumminess was the color black, there wouldn't even be a shadow visible on you, smh


Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang, there are just too many discrepancies. I also wouldn't be surprised at Tb-Alisae team. Both are pushing me on bullshit reasoning and townread each other based on thin air, looks like a well coordinated last minute mislynch push.

In post 586, Antihuman wrote:zZz just lynch me already, I can't take this united scumfront pounding at my will to do something productive
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Post Post #617  (isolation #35)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:57 pm

In post 608, Superhans wrote:I know one thing for sure, that is ThinkBig and Antihuman AREN'T scum together.


Based on...
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Post Post #618  (isolation #36)  » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:59 pm

Kyouko are you seriously trying to start a brand new wagon with less than 24 hours left?
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Post Post #623  (isolation #37)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:17 am

Well, I've already answered that question once this game. And I just explained how it could be scum theater.

So...yes.
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Post Post #655  (isolation #38)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:38 pm

Now would be a good time to claim AH
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Post Post #658  (isolation #39)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:42 pm

UNVOTE: AH
VOTE: ThinkBig

Nvm, I actually just had a bit of a revelation. If AH is scum and Alisae/Dave are town pushing me as traitor, that wagon should have gained more traction. AH already highlighted the discrepancy in ThinkBigs opinion on me as traitor and how it relates to his reads. AH is town.
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Post Post #659  (isolation #40)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:43 pm

In post 657, ThinkBig wrote:Antihuman ( 7/7 ) - (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae, Superhans, Dave)


No, SSBM is on Gamma.
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Post Post #670  (isolation #41)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:57 pm

Superhans, we can still lynch Think
@SSBM; no, we are not flash wagoning a lurker and wasting everything we've done today. Pushing for Kop and Gamma yesterday when we need a lynch is pretty scummy.
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Post Post #671  (isolation #42)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:58 pm

Why have Dave and Alisae been pushing me as traitor all day but are both fine voting AH and could never get a real wagon going on me?
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Post Post #680  (isolation #43)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:52 pm

If there aren't more ThinkBig votes by 9:30 I'm moving back to AH to secure a lynch. Where is everyone????
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Post Post #683  (isolation #44)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:02 pm

Dude we don't have time for synopses. ISO AH and ThinkBig and make a decision
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Post Post #685  (isolation #45)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:25 pm

You're already on AH lol
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Post Post #686  (isolation #46)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:26 pm

AH are you MIA also? No claim? Last reads?
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Post Post #687  (isolation #47)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 pm

Oh cool I thought the deadline was 10 but it's actually 1230.
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Post Post #688  (isolation #48)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:23 pm

..................
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Post Post #691  (isolation #49)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:40 pm

We need someone to switch from AH to ThinkBig and for all of algebra, SSBM, and dunnstral to appear before the deadline and also vote ThinkBig.
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Post Post #692  (isolation #50)  » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:41 pm

Something tells me that isn't going to happen, so intent to hammer
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Post Post #697  (isolation #51)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:09 am

In post 693, Alisae wrote:
In post 691, Desperado wrote:We need someone to switch from AH to ThinkBig and for all of algebra, SSBM, and dunnstral to appear before the deadline and also vote ThinkBig.
And so are you for attempting to to derail the AH wagon.


...

I'll let you think about that some more; maybe you'll figure out why it doesn't make any sense yourself
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Post Post #700  (isolation #52)  » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:10 am

UNVOTE: ThinkBig
VOTE: Antihuman
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Post Post #776  (isolation #53)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:00 pm

In post 720, Dunnstral wrote:So tb is likely town because the traitor would know who the scum team is and he went rather hard - unless he was bussing but that's pretty risky

Who were the ones saying desperado was a traitor again?


No, ThinkBig's reaction to AH's push was absolutely terrible, AH trying to retroactively pretend like his push wasn't legit at all and was just meant to show how some other case on someone else was garbage was terrible...Think could absolutely be scum and it would explain why so many people were pushing me as traitor but they couldn't get the wagon going--because they really thought I was and AH was a mislynch in their eyes.

In fact, ThinkBig TRing Alisae so hard but not riding with her and dave on me being traitor screams to me that he's scum who didn't want to lynch who he thought his traitor was.

Vote: ThinkBig
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Post Post #779  (isolation #54)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:03 pm

In post 758, algebra wrote:I'm still alive, it's a miracle.

VOTE: Realeo


You're still alive because scum are expecting you to continue doing nothing. Prove them wrong!
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Post Post #783  (isolation #55)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:05 pm

In post 766, ThinkBig wrote:Interesting night kill.

In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:but yeah im onto something i think so if im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the day, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I think Gamma/Dave/Alisae


This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?

HOS on Kop and Gamma. I really don't like how AH derailed gamma's wagon. I'm willing to vote for either kop or gamma.


Ya, Think is scum framing Kop with the SSBM kill.
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Post Post #791  (isolation #56)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:15 pm

In post 785, Gamma Emerald wrote:Kop only?
FoS Desperado


...did you read what he said?

He thinks you're scum because AH derailed your wagon. He thinks Kop is scum because SSBM is dead.

So yes, just Kop.
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Post Post #807  (isolation #57)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:17 pm

In post 804, Dunnstral wrote:I don't know why people think Ah was bussing TB?

I thought he had good points there and went hard and I wouldn't be surprised if it had led to TB'S lynch. Though I still don't understand why everyone turned on AH


No, he didn't have good points. He even admitted that he didn't have any good points and that it was all bullshit to prove that anyone can do that to anyone.
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Post Post #808  (isolation #58)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:18 pm

In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Lol this readlist's such bullshit

In post 570, ThinkBig wrote:
Revised Read List


Algebra - Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC. <--- Completely unnecessary comment. Trying to appear better by having one extra scumread

Alisae - By far my biggest town read. He shows genuine interest in the game and shows genuine scum hunting. <--- because she scumreads me too, how surprising

Superhans - Town lean. I disagree with his logic, but I understand where he is coming from <--- aka "I know his reasons for scumreading me are valid but I'll just wait until he gets bored and goes away"

ssbm_Kyouko - Null town. <--- in your previous readlist, she was a "null lean", which looks like a hilarious slip. You don't wanna look like you have too many nulls but you have no reasons for townreading her.

Davesaz - Null town. <--- for what? He's defended me and he's voted Desperado for logic which you called flatout wrong!

Kop - Null <--- what's your opinion on Real's case on Kop?

Gamma - Null <--- but he's my partner, member?!

Desperado - Null, leans scum. I don't really buy the traitor theory nor do I buy the logic behind it. <--- Why the fuck are you scumleaning on him then?! Leaving your options open? You should be scumreading people who started pushing him for wrong reasons instead! (including your strongest tr, Alisae...)

Realeao - Scum lean. 561 screams opportunistic and sheeping. I also don't like how he is constantly flipping his reads and can't seem to make up his mind. <--- How the hell is he sheeping when he's provided valid reasons for scumreading you, just like Superhans. How come you don't "disagree with his logic but see where he's coming from" here? Being undecided isn't a scumtell too. You've scumread me for tunnelling, which is a complete opposite! You also haven't addressed his points...

Antihuman - Continuing to throw shades and continuing <--- what the hell does that even mean? If scumminess was the color black, there wouldn't even be a shadow visible on you, smh


Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang, there are just too many discrepancies. I also wouldn't be surprised at Tb-Alisae team. Both are pushing me on bullshit reasoning and townread each other based on thin air, looks like a well coordinated last minute mislynch push.

In post 577, Antihuman wrote:@Alisae my initial push on TB was supposed to show people you how easily you can make a shitty case on someone like people wagoned Gamma for shit reasons plus getting reactions. Guess that worked out well cause I moved discussion forward a whole fuckton.

@TB you also left out Dunnstral from your list again, wtf is up with that?
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Post Post #815  (isolation #59)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:35 pm

TraitorAH derailing a wagon on one partner by pushing on the other makes a lot of sense tbh
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Post Post #820  (isolation #60)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:39 pm

Ya, interested to see how the three non voters fall on this.
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Post Post #826  (isolation #61)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:51 pm

In post 821, Alisae wrote:Desperado like me SRs?


Nah, Realeo is pretty town
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Post Post #835  (isolation #62)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:43 pm

In post 832, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 815, Desperado wrote:TraitorAH derailing a wagon on one partner by pushing on the other makes a lot of sense tbh

Why would he stick his neck out like that tho
Also I remember being told TB resisted voting Desperado for think he was traitor
maybe Desperado was just his scummate


Sticking his neck out wasn't really alignment indicative, more play style. It was the way he did it and the way he reacted to the pressure after having done it that made him scum.
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Post Post #838  (isolation #63)  » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:20 pm

In post 836, Gamma Emerald wrote:But what suggests TB scum


His play?

lol
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Post Post #858  (isolation #64)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:23 pm

I highly recommend everyone ISO AH and ThinkBig together and really think about what happened.
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Post Post #859  (isolation #65)  » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:37 pm

In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown but I wanted people to see the parallel between this and Gamma's wagon.
I've seen few interesting reactions, gonna elaborate tomorrow (this is the part where TB should shout: excuses!).


look at this

TraitorAH is basically begging Think to just let it go.

In post 383, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 381, Superhans wrote:@ThinkBig

Out of 4 players on the Gammagon:

K O P
D E S P E R A D O
R E A L O
T H I N K B I G
S U P E R H A N S

¿Why Did He Go After You?


Not sure TBH. Possibly because I was the one that got the wagon moving. In any case, the wagon and my vote did exactly what I wanted it to do.

In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown[/quote

You no say?

I've seen few interesting reactions, gonna elaborate tomorrow (this is the part where TB should shout: excuses!).


Excuses!!

In post 475, ThinkBig wrote:Just re read the last few pages.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I really don't like his defense of antihuman. It reeks the smell of buddying.

I'll provide my full reads and more information on Sunday night after work. Been quite busy with the holiday.

In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Here are my reads so far:

Algebra - Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.

Alisae - Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.

ssbm_Kyouko - Null lean.

Davesaz - Null town.

Kop - Null

Gamma - Null

Superhans - Null

Desperado - Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.

Realeao - Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.

Antihuman - I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.

I think that's everyone. Let me know if I missed someone.


And he does! Even tho he lists AH as his biggest scumread in his next post.

^This is about the point where AH decided to pivot and really buss ThinkBig. Think posts another reads list that AH bashes as well, and he then he starts to link Think and Alisae really hard:

In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Lol this readlist's such bullshit

In post 570, ThinkBig wrote:
Revised Read List


Algebra - Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC. <--- Completely unnecessary comment. Trying to appear better by having one extra scumread

Alisae - By far my biggest town read. He shows genuine interest in the game and shows genuine scum hunting. <--- because she scumreads me too, how surprising

Superhans - Town lean. I disagree with his logic, but I understand where he is coming from <--- aka "I know his reasons for scumreading me are valid but I'll just wait until he gets bored and goes away"

ssbm_Kyouko - Null town. <--- in your previous readlist, she was a "null lean", which looks like a hilarious slip. You don't wanna look like you have too many nulls but you have no reasons for townreading her.

Davesaz - Null town. <--- for what? He's defended me and he's voted Desperado for logic which you called flatout wrong!

Kop - Null <--- what's your opinion on Real's case on Kop?

Gamma - Null <--- but he's my partner, member?!

Desperado - Null, leans scum. I don't really buy the traitor theory nor do I buy the logic behind it. <--- Why the fuck are you scumleaning on him then?! Leaving your options open? You should be scumreading people who started pushing him for wrong reasons instead! (including your strongest tr, Alisae...)

Realeao - Scum lean. 561 screams opportunistic and sheeping. I also don't like how he is constantly flipping his reads and can't seem to make up his mind. <--- How the hell is he sheeping when he's provided valid reasons for scumreading you, just like Superhans. How come you don't "disagree with his logic but see where he's coming from" here? Being undecided isn't a scumtell too. You've scumread me for tunnelling, which is a complete opposite! You also haven't addressed his points...

Antihuman - Continuing to throw shades and continuing <--- what the hell does that even mean? If scumminess was the color black, there wouldn't even be a shadow visible on you, smh


Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang, there are just too many discrepancies. I also wouldn't be surprised at Tb-Alisae team. Both are pushing me on bullshit reasoning and townread each other based on thin air, looks like a well coordinated last minute mislynch push.

In post 586, Antihuman wrote:zZz just lynch me already, I can't take this united scumfront pounding at my will to do something productive


Finally, this:

In post 627, Antihuman wrote:Yeah it seems like really a great play to get into the game, decide you wanna tunnel your partner for no particular reason instead of choosing a safe target and try to blend in with deadline slowly approaching and risk getting both players lynched as the only viable wagons wtf I'm a much better scum player than that, don't insult me


Looks like frustrated scum reaching for WIFOM.
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Post Post #882  (isolation #66)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:16 am

In post 881, Realeo wrote:Although there is one plot hole in your reasoning, Desperado.

How does, ThinkBig exactly catch the signal "So you're traitor, AntiHuman? Sorry. I would back off."


If someone replaced in to a game and immediately started creating a completely bullshit case against me as scum, and then a couple pages later was like "LOL just kidding, that was made up just to prove that you could do that against anyone and at least it got a bunch of reactions! hahaha" I think I would get the point and back off.

Don't you?
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Post Post #885  (isolation #67)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:35 pm

In post 864, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 002

Gamma Emerald ( 4 ) - (Kop, Realeo, Superhans, Dunnstral)
ThinkBig ( 4 ) - (Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, davesaz)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.


No, this VC is still correct the order on Gamma is just different now. ThinkBig was actually at L1 for a bit.
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Post Post #900  (isolation #68)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:51 pm

Even if you don't believe the claim we're not lynching Gamma today.
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Post Post #901  (isolation #69)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:51 pm

TB should probably claim in his next post
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Post Post #908  (isolation #70)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:12 pm

Why is he town?
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Post Post #916  (isolation #71)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:20 pm

In post 910, Dunnstral wrote:You're welcome to read over the parts where I've answered that


Now I'm confused. You thought TB was town but you voted him to...? And you unvoted after he claimed VT because....?

??
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Post Post #918  (isolation #72)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:24 pm

Ah that's why, Realeo put Think to L1.
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Post Post #919  (isolation #73)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:24 pm

Think you're wrong, mate
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Post Post #927  (isolation #74)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:40 pm

In post 925, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think that's correct.... I think it just doesn't catch the traitor (which is dead)


The Mafia Jack of All Trades is not a Goon.
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Post Post #928  (isolation #75)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:40 pm

But dave's rolefishing was noted.
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Post Post #931  (isolation #76)  » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:02 am

Yes, because those roles aren't goons.
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Post Post #944  (isolation #77)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:49 am

In post 942, davesaz wrote:
In post 928, Desperado wrote:But dave's rolefishing was noted.

I should start compiling a list of how often spurious rolefishing accusations are made by scum vs. town.
Especially ones after the poster has explicitly warned people to not accidentally reveal themselves.


:roll:

Building in a meaningless caveat to your rolefishing doesn't change what it is.
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Post Post #945  (isolation #78)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:50 am

Really not seeing the issue with Gamma's claim. Both wagons are quite far along and there have been some townreads expressed on Think so it's logical for Gamma to assume that they were likely to be lynched.
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Post Post #950  (isolation #79)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:24 am

Who gives a shit when the deadline is? Both wagons were L-2.

And now we're lynching scum, so what's the issue here?
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Post Post #954  (isolation #80)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:27 am

In post 863, ThinkBig wrote:Pdodge. Will be posting tonight after work.

@MOD: Vote count please

In post 902, ThinkBig wrote:I apologize for my inactivity. I have a lot to catch up on. Since I'm at L-1, I will claim: Vanilla Town.


Tick tock, ThinkBig
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Post Post #961  (isolation #81)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:14 pm

In post 953, Superhans wrote:Although it's not healthy to have just one wagon with soonh before the deadline.


???

Are you more interested in using every ounce of our time or lynching scum?
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Post Post #964  (isolation #82)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:02 pm

What do you mean? The only substantive thing ThinkBig has posted since daystart is going after Kop for the SSBM kill and that was four days ago.
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Post Post #965  (isolation #83)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:03 pm

In post 963, Superhans wrote:also it helps rather than hurts to look at players beyond the obvious ThinkBig.


Not really. For example, the Goon Cop claimed because we are dragging our feet on ThinkBig.
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Post Post #967  (isolation #84)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:07 pm

In post 864, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 002

Gamma Emerald ( 4 ) - (Kop, Realeo, Superhans, Dunnstral)
ThinkBig ( 4 ) - (Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, davesaz)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.
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Post Post #972  (isolation #85)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:03 pm

In post 968, Superhans wrote:I agree that ThinkBig is the best lynch candidate and have scum read him since mid D1. However, there are two scum, so we need to grill other people too.


I think we just have fundamentally different ideas about how a day phase is meant to proceed. On D1, sure, use all the time you can, exactly the way we did. But we have a traitor flip and an entire days worth of VCA and interaction. I think I've built a good case on ThinkBig for scum, he hasn't done anything to dissuade me from that view, and lynching him will clarify the game even further. We do not have to use all 14 days of every day phase.

In post 969, Dunnstral wrote:Somebody want to walk me through how tb is scum as opposed to "bad town" when AH went on him hard for his lynch?

Am I alone on alisae because people would rather get tb or does everyone townread him?


Just ISO me man.
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Post Post #974  (isolation #86)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:13 pm

The game isn't dead. Everyone's posted since midnight except Kop and Algebra who basically haven't been playing the game.
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Post Post #976  (isolation #87)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:21 pm

Ya, if Think flips scum the last one probably bussed already. Liking Dave for it, currently
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Post Post #980  (isolation #88)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:55 pm

Reminder that AH himself said he wasn't bussing to begin with, he made a BS case up on "someone random" (hinthint) just to prove that the Gamma wagon was trash. Then AH's wagon didn't go away and ThinkBig kept posting scummy shit so AH pivoted and started pushing even harder.

^This is a scum on scum progression.
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Post Post #982  (isolation #89)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:00 pm

...

Because of everything else that I've highlighted between those two slots and ThinkBig's play independent of all of that.
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Post Post #983  (isolation #90)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:02 pm

And again again AGAIN, AH admitted that he didn't believe in the wagon to start. Derailing a wagon on town by pushing one of your informed scum partners and then backing off of them is...literally classic scum play.
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Post Post #984  (isolation #91)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:02 pm

one of your uninformed*
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Post Post #987  (isolation #92)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:18 pm

In post 986, Dunnstral wrote:He backed off because he got massive heat for it

like 4-5 votes on him


4 votes, including Think, who AH implored to back off and who complied even tho he maintained that AH was his biggest scumread.
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Post Post #988  (isolation #93)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:18 pm

In post 985, Dunnstral wrote:HE WAS SCUM


....and? Being scum doesn't make everything he said a lie, it just gives it greater context.
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Post Post #992  (isolation #94)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:29 pm

No he didn't.

Anything relevant to add to the discussion?
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Post Post #1019  (isolation #95)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:51 pm

In order to call it contrived, you have to believe that Alisae was attempting to appear genuinely dismayed.
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Post Post #1022  (isolation #96)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:59 pm

In post 1020, Superhans wrote:What do you think Alisae was attempting to do by Fake Hammering?


Initiate a haphazard reaction test.
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Post Post #1030  (isolation #97)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:10 pm

In post 1023, ThinkBig wrote:What good is a reaction test if you're not at least trying to come off as genuinely dismayed?


If you acknowledge that it was a reaction test then your original assertion that it was contrived is nonsensical.

Can we please lynch this now?
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Post Post #1062  (isolation #98)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:54 pm

In post 1061, davesaz wrote:I've been super busy. I've made it a point to finish out games that I start, and I do expect my activity peak to slow down eventually.

I'll run through my reads to see where I am.
Superhans - Town
Desperado - Actions have been pretty scummy. It's possible my traitor read on this slot was because it was scum seeking the traitor.
davesaz - Town
ThinkBig - Actions of AH push scum here. I think I haven't paid close enough attention to the content because of the clear scum implications... Could be misdirection and AH wasn't trying to crumb at all
Kop - Really can't get a handle on him. Thinking he seems more disinterested town but I have trouble remembering the meta here.
Dunnstral - Town
algebra - ConfTown
Realeo - Getting mixed signals
Gamma Emerald - Claimed a town role, don't remember especially scummy interactions, but interactions would indicate scum if not overruled
Alisae - Had been thinking town, not as sure recently

Putting that in order
Town - Superhans, davesaz, Dunnstral, algebra
TownLean - Alisae, Gamma Emerald
Null/Scumlean - Kop, Realeo
Scum - ThinkBig, Desperado
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Post Post #1063  (isolation #99)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:55 pm

Have you read anything I've said w/r/t AH and ThinkBig?
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Post Post #1079  (isolation #100)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:49 am

It comes from scum who gave up like a week ago but we keep dragging our feet so he is compelled to produce something. It's not surprising that his "content" has been lacking.
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Post Post #1083  (isolation #101)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:49 am

meh

We don't need Algebra to lynch scum.
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Post Post #1087  (isolation #102)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:40 am

I am shocked--SHOCKED--that he never came back btw.










































Shocked.
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Post Post #1139  (isolation #103)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:15 pm

In post 1090, Regfan wrote:Hey everyone! Been a little while seen I've actually played a game here. I'll be catching up with the thread in the next few hours. If there's a particular section you want me to focus on more let me know as soon as possible.

Will say I found the "Inactive Child" section on this very page quite amusing.


holy shitttttttt

It's like I've spent my entire life living in a boiler room closet in downtown Mumbai, and then suddenly one day some lady named Angelina adopted me.
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Post Post #1140  (isolation #104)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:22 pm

:( Literally nothing about me, Reg?
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Post Post #1212  (isolation #105)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:47 pm

Unvote
Vote: Kop
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Post Post #1222  (isolation #106)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:10 pm

@ Reg: I think it was the former and I think Hans has been snowing me all day
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Post Post #1226  (isolation #107)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:32 pm

In post 1223, Regfan wrote:
In post 1222, Desperado wrote:@ Reg: I think it was the former and I think Hans has been snowing me all day

Can you run me through your vote placement on Kop over Hans in that case? I mean I certainly don't mind it, I just want to hear your thought process behind it since it's not walked through inside your ISO. Also did you ever take a quick look at TB's meta (If so before or after I replaced in)? Would also like your read on Dunn & Alisea so we can discuss the similarities/differences between our reads there when I'm done reading them.


I'm not ready to flip my interpretation of the game state completely and I don't want to vote dave or Ali. I think they're town, I think scum really thought I was the traitor, and that's why a wagon never materialized on me despite all of the traitor talk d1.

I didn't look at his meta and haven't since you replaced in, no. I'm taking your word for it.

For Ali, see above. For Dunn, I can't really point to anything specific, I just feel town emanating from his posts and have all game.
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Post Post #1232  (isolation #108)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:23 pm

In post 1231, Regfan wrote:@Desperado - I obviously agree with your Kop scum read and vote but can you explain why you think Kops more likely mafia than anyone else at the moment, your prior post sort of lacks that. Outside of Dave having thought you're the traitor what's your read on him? And can you run me through an overall idea of where you're at with SH at the moment since you seem to have him in a funny position.


Not really no. Of course my prior posts lack that--I've been pushing ThinkBig as scum and I still believe in that but your hard townread means it isn't going to happen. Kop is a compromise and nothing more than that really.

Dave looks like lazy town and the specifics surrounding the traitor push are enough for me to not want to lynch him.

I do have SH in a funny position; if my reads are wrong, Super will have been my biggest blindspot but like I said, I'm not ready to let go of that completely just yet.
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Post Post #1234  (isolation #109)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:21 am

Why did I select Kop over any else? Let's see...

Gamma - PR claim
Ali - Traitor push
Dave - Ditto
Dunn - Town
Real - Town
ThinkBig - Not happening today

That leaves Kop and Superhans. Don't really think I need to explain why I would make that choice.
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Post Post #1237  (isolation #110)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:39 am

In post 1226, Desperado wrote:I'm not ready to flip my interpretation of the game state completely and I don't want to vote dave or Ali. I think they're town, I think scum really thought I was the traitor, and that's why a wagon never materialized on me despite all of the traitor talk d1.
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Post Post #1239  (isolation #111)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:57 am

Ali, Dave, and AH all pushed me openly as traitor. A wagon never materialized. Why?

^This is another big reason I think ThinkBig is scum. Ali was his biggest townread for the entirety of D1 but he literally never even mentions me w/r/t being a traitor.

Why do you suppose that is?
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Post Post #1241  (isolation #112)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:21 am

But why would either of them announce in thread that they thought I was the traitor as scum?
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Post Post #1263  (isolation #113)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:05 pm

In post 1252, Regfan wrote:@Desperado - Dunn touched on it himself but what I was trying to get at from you was realisation that your clearance or removal from the vote pool today on Dave makes little sense. He never actually pushed you in regards to the traitor claim like Alisea did and almost everything he brought up in regards to it was a copy of what Alisea had said but signicantly later. The extent of his actions was a vote in Post 540 and a comment in Post 645 which isn't implausible for scum to do at all, I can see and agree to a degree that what Alisea did may come across as town to you but can't see that from Dave and think you attempting to link them under the same umbrella there is short-sighted.


OK so you've got traitorAH, townAlisae, scumDave, and Dunn all either voting me/pushing me as traitor. Why doesn't that wagon gain more traction again?
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Post Post #1264  (isolation #114)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:07 pm

I just don't understand why Dave scum would push and vote me as the traitor, or how a wagon didn't form on me if his buddy wasn't already pushing that theory with him.
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Post Post #1265  (isolation #115)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:08 pm

In post 1253, Regfan wrote:A wagon likely never materialized because the push on you was based on reasoning that resembles what I take out every Monday night and was never going to be logic that a lynch would actually go through based on. You attempting to suggest that ThinkBig not voting you based on that over his actual scum-reads that were based on stronger reasoning makes him more likely mafia is a joke dude, an absolute joke. Consider it this way; what's stronger reasoning? 1) That AH's push on TB was him construing every single action in a negative sense ignoring the context of them or the fact that other players had dome the same action and pushing this with a level of confidence that makes little sense as town, 2) That TB had read Dunns play in regards to AH to make sense as partners and disliked the buddying/defence that he read between them or 3) That MariaR's post looked a bit like a traitor soft. The answer is 1) and 2) are much more reasonable votes then 3) and he never really even believed given his only mention in regards to it is one line inside Post 570. You're attributing something to TB here that never really was there or makes any sense and I need to try and evaluate if you're got to this wrong direction as town or mafia, you elaborating on thought processes in detail will considerably help me with that if you're town.


No, I'm suggesting that ThinkBig didn't even CONSIDER his top townread's main read. He never even says "nah I don't think Desp is the traitor Ali."


Why not???
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Post Post #1321  (isolation #116)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:31 am

In post 1272, ThinkBig wrote:^That should be L-1. Please do not hammer until I get back and am able to provide some thoughts before the day ends.


????

u srs bro
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Post Post #1322  (isolation #117)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:33 am

In post 1273, Regfan wrote:Because it's based on really bad reasoning that others didn't buy? Because a few of the scum team were already voting you? Could be several things. I don't get where you're going with this.


If "a few" of the scum team were already voting me then the game is over--it's 2/3 of Ali/Dave/Dunn and at least one of those people is scum and also announced in thread that they think I'm the traitor and they're gonna vote me for it.

I don't think that occurred. I think Dave and Ali are town, I think they legitimately thought I was the traitor, and I think the scum did also.
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Post Post #1323  (isolation #118)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:35 am

You know, like ThinkBig, who had Ali as his strongest townread for the majority of the day but never engaged her read on me (and even forgot me in a reads list!)
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Post Post #1324  (isolation #119)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:36 am

In post 1273, Regfan wrote:/Headdesk. Majority of players don't alter their reads because their town reads have them, especially someone that's as inexperienced as ThingBig. This is pretty bad point given who you're talking about.


If your town read on ThinkBig boils down to "He isn't good at this game" then I feel comfortable not sheeping you on him
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Post Post #1325  (isolation #120)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:40 am

In post 1294, Dunnstral wrote:Alright, you've shown that thinkbig's read on Alisae has been changing. Now show how that's scummy, or did you have some other point?


are you kidding bro

His read isn't "changing" it's completely made up.
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Post Post #1326  (isolation #121)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:40 am

In post 1299, Regfan wrote:Realeo - TB did state his reads and where he was at before stating intent to hammer, I'd like reasoning behind some of his reads but he's stated he's willing to get to those when he's at a computer next which is reasonable. As for Alisea, his read has been changing on them throughout the game (Which is natural to happen for townies), he had them as a strong town read early on, scum read her for the fake hammer thing and then moved them to null which seems like a fair placement overall given his stance on them; he'll be getting around to going through their ISO shortly and we can judge him based on it then.


Why are you just glossing over this? That isn't a normal progression at all!!!
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Post Post #1327  (isolation #122)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:44 am

Unvote
Vote: ThinkBig


I don't care, reg. I want this dead.
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Post Post #1338  (isolation #123)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:40 pm

Yes, because he thinks that AH pushing on Think makes him town. I don't agree.
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Post Post #1340  (isolation #124)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:40 pm

That was @ Hans in response to 1335
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Post Post #1342  (isolation #125)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:42 pm

As for your other question, I don't base my reads on if/thens like that. If Think is town I will reevaluate but I don't feel compelled to do that right now.
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Post Post #1345  (isolation #126)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:59 pm

I think I've made it pretty clear that I don't buy reg's interpretation at all
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Post Post #1347  (isolation #127)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:30 pm

/shrug
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Post Post #1350  (isolation #128)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:47 pm

In post 1348, Superhans wrote:well for anyone to take you seriously you need to argue your case. Regfan currently has a more extensive case than you. So yeah a naked re-vote on ThinkBig isn't good enough anymore.


I'm sorry...what?
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Post Post #1351  (isolation #129)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:51 pm

In post 860, Superhans wrote:, relevant to desperados argument above; TB divorces himself from the AntiHuman wagon even though he had said that he scum read both Dunnstal and AntiHuman.

In post 873, Superhans wrote:@Dunnstral
Why are you so sure TB is Town? I think the logic behind his wagon is convincing.

@Gamma
is redundant. Just under half the playerbase is on you. If you could kill one of the following players who would it be? + Why?
K O P
R E A L O
S U P E R H A N S
D U N N S T R A L

In post 963, Superhans wrote:also it helps rather than hurts to look at players beyond the obvious ThinkBig.

In post 968, Superhans wrote:I agree that ThinkBig is the best lynch candidate and have scum read him since mid D1. However, there are two scum, so we need to grill other people too.

In post 978, Superhans wrote:The TB is likely scum logic

In post 989, Superhans wrote:VOTE: ThinkBig
L1

In post 990, Superhans wrote:
In post 960, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 957, Realeo wrote:GE claimed JOAT so I need to give a second thought


GE claimed Goon Cop, not JOAT. JAOT is a mafia-only role in this set up.

PS: Catching up now.

Where r u man? This was quite a while ago, where r the 'catch up' posts.

In post 1056, Superhans wrote:
In post 1038, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 1025, Superhans wrote:Dunnstral how has ur game play changed since this game?


Shitty meta analysis

It's not meta analysis.

ThinkBig, can you explain your sketchy interactions with AH D1, as articulated by Desperado:
quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8701801#p8701801]post 859[/url], Desperado"]
In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown but I wanted people to see the parallel between this and Gamma's wagon.
I've seen few interesting reactions, gonna elaborate tomorrow (this is the part where TB should shout: excuses!).


look at this

TraitorAH is basically begging Think to just let it go.

In post 383, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 381, Superhans wrote:@ThinkBig

Out of 4 players on the Gammagon:

K O P
D E S P E R A D O
R E A L O
T H I N K B I G
S U P E R H A N S

¿Why Did He Go After You?


Not sure TBH. Possibly because I was the one that got the wagon moving. In any case, the wagon and my vote did exactly what I wanted it to do.

In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown[/quote

You no say?

I've seen few interesting reactions, gonna elaborate tomorrow (this is the part where TB should shout: excuses!).


Excuses!!

In post 475, ThinkBig wrote:Just re read the last few pages.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I really don't like his defense of antihuman. It reeks the smell of buddying.

I'll provide my full reads and more information on Sunday night after work. Been quite busy with the holiday.

In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Here are my reads so far:

Algebra - Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.

Alisae - Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.

ssbm_Kyouko - Null lean.

Davesaz - Null town.

Kop - Null

Gamma - Null

Superhans - Null

Desperado - Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.

Realeao - Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.

Antihuman - I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.

I think that's everyone. Let me know if I missed someone.


And he does! Even tho he lists AH as his biggest scumread in his next post.

^This is about the point where AH decided to pivot and really buss ThinkBig. Think posts another reads list that AH bashes as well, and he then he starts to link Think and Alisae really hard:

In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Lol this readlist's such bullshit

In post 570, ThinkBig wrote:
Revised Read List


Algebra - Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC. <--- Completely unnecessary comment. Trying to appear better by having one extra scumread

Alisae - By far my biggest town read. He shows genuine interest in the game and shows genuine scum hunting. <--- because she scumreads me too, how surprising

Superhans - Town lean. I disagree with his logic, but I understand where he is coming from <--- aka "I know his reasons for scumreading me are valid but I'll just wait until he gets bored and goes away"

ssbm_Kyouko - Null town. <--- in your previous readlist, she was a "null lean", which looks like a hilarious slip. You don't wanna look like you have too many nulls but you have no reasons for townreading her.

Davesaz - Null town. <--- for what? He's defended me and he's voted Desperado for logic which you called flatout wrong!

Kop - Null <--- what's your opinion on Real's case on Kop?

Gamma - Null <--- but he's my partner, member?!

Desperado - Null, leans scum. I don't really buy the traitor theory nor do I buy the logic behind it. <--- Why the fuck are you scumleaning on him then?! Leaving your options open? You should be scumreading people who started pushing him for wrong reasons instead! (including your strongest tr, Alisae...)

Realeao - Scum lean. 561 screams opportunistic and sheeping. I also don't like how he is constantly flipping his reads and can't seem to make up his mind. <--- How the hell is he sheeping when he's provided valid reasons for scumreading you, just like Superhans. How come you don't "disagree with his logic but see where he's coming from" here? Being undecided isn't a scumtell too. You've scumread me for tunnelling, which is a complete opposite! You also haven't addressed his points...

Antihuman - Continuing to throw shades and continuing <--- what the hell does that even mean? If scumminess was the color black, there wouldn't even be a shadow visible on you, smh


Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang, there are just too many discrepancies. I also wouldn't be surprised at Tb-Alisae team. Both are pushing me on bullshit reasoning and townread each other based on thin air, looks like a well coordinated last minute mislynch push.

In post 586, Antihuman wrote:zZz just lynch me already, I can't take this united scumfront pounding at my will to do something productive


Finally, this:

In post 627, Antihuman wrote:Yeah it seems like really a great play to get into the game, decide you wanna tunnel your partner for no particular reason instead of choosing a safe target and try to blend in with deadline slowly approaching and risk getting both players lynched as the only viable wagons wtf I'm a much better scum player than that, don't insult me


Looks like frustrated scum reaching for WIFOM.
[/quote]
In post 1057, Superhans wrote:
In post 1039, ThinkBig wrote:My thoughts:

1) Desperado has been throwing shades at me for nearly the entire game. His "logic" and reasons are almost as bad, if not worse than, antihuman (who flipped traitor).
2) Gamma claimed goon cop. For the record, I see no reason not to believe his claim.
3) Not liking realeo at all. Don't like how he mixed up gamma's claim and turned it into a JOAT (a scum-only role in this set-up).
4) Alisae's reaction test seems contrieved and fake. These types of "reaction tests" I expect to see more from scum than from town.

Final thoughts for now: I think you'll find the last remaining scum between desperado, realeo, and alisae.

Your 3) and 4) are very weak points indeed, and I think it's ridiculous to criticise Desperados logic in 1), when you then suggest that Realos tiny slip, and Alisaes's kinda amusing fake hammer reaction test are scum tells.

What is your opinion on Kop?

In post 1085, Superhans wrote:
In post 1076, ThinkBig wrote:Meh, I'm still learning how to read people and build a case against them. My wagon is almost certainly scum motivated in an easy mislynch.

If you are Town, nothing that you say is remotely helpful in catching the real scum. Scum are on my wagon, 'I find this comment offensive', baseless reads.

Also you still haven't got round to rebutting Desperados case against you by trying to explain your sketchy behaviour D1.

In post 1138, Superhans wrote:
In post 1100, Regfan wrote:@Gamma - I would appreciate you unvoting in that case, especially given I just replaced in a few hours ago. Plus we're not lynching TB today, I'll go into that later though.

I think Han's question about Gammas scum meta in shows a town thought process behind it, I also like his posts directed to MariaR in the early game. I think SH's question in is more likely to come from town albeit this is a weak point. I don't necessarily agree with SH's logic in but I can follow the thought process behind it. I think SH's attitude around deadline D1 in ~ comes across as town. The progression behind SHs an is very questionable especially considering his prior stance on the night kills being WIFOM. I like his analysis of Dave in but dislike the TB vote inside . I think him bringing up Dunns prior scum game inside this setup in and asking him to explain how he thinks his play has changed in is a decent town tell but his follow up of "Just fucking with you" is underwhelming. I have a weak town read on him all up but would like to actually see some more content from him today.

@SH - Can you run me through a few things please; 1) What specifically what made you change your stance on AH/TB "Never being scum together" to currently having TB as your current strongest scum read. Please don't refer to Desperados case when answering this, I want your exact thought process because has some real questionable logic involved in it. 2) Can you explain the change from you stating that Ssbms death was WIFOM inside to proceeding to vote Gamma for Ssbm inside since that's a fairly weird flip to make. Would also love any other reads you have at the moment with some reasoning attached.


<- Do you not agree that Desperado is transparent? I guess I have placed a significant level of faith into his argument that ThinkBig is scum (first appearing in ). I'm assuming that you do not think that this theory is likely to be correct, as
a) You haven't Town Read Desperado
b) You don't want to push the Lynch of ThinkBig
From my perspective Desperado's case on ThinkBig is very very convincing.

Previously I had tried to discourage (Realo I think?) from over-reading into the NK, saying it leads to WIFOM brain fuckeroo. However, when voting Gamma, I wasn't saying that I was voting Gamma BECAUSE of the death of SSBM, I was saying that I was continuing her push onto Gamma, not accusing Gamma of NKing her.

The value of Dunnstrals previous game is negligible. I also doubted that her answer was going to be that helpful, as she played as Traitor, so it wouldn't even be directly applicable to this game. Bringing in behavior from previous games would only convulate this game. When I asked her question, I honestly did not care about her play in the previous game. I didn't even bother to check to make sure what she had said was even true. I used the introduction of her previous game as an act of intimidation, and I wanted to see if I could provoke anger out of her.

In post 608, Superhans wrote:I know one thing for sure, that is ThinkBig and Antihuman AREN'T scum together.

ThinkBig and AntiHuman were engaged in a fight to the death. AntiHuman was fighting from the jaws of death under intense pressure. He was pushing ThinkBig very very hard. I doubted that two scum would want to fight so hard, even by bussing standards, since AntiHuman was actually producing some fairly valid scum claims on ThinkBig (undermining his logic).
However,
Looking back on it, you can see that their relationship was more nuanced:
If it was a S v T fight to the death then why did ThinkBig back off halfway through the fight to go after Dunnstral?

In post 1159, Superhans wrote:
In post 1118, Regfan wrote:I don't consider his reads that awkward, I think him believing that there's some buddying going on between scum mates isn't an unreasonable stance to take. His read and reasoning on AH D1 was particularly good and his reassessment of Hans to move him from null->town was certainly good. I think people are blowing his reads list here way out of proportion and ignoring the fact the traitor flip means we absolutely should not be lynching TB today.

I've seen him be mslynched like this far too many times and the reasoning behind it here is particularly weak, like really really weak.

Firstly I'd like to thank you for the amount of good analysis you're making on ThinkBig, however, I would disagree that ThinkBig made good reasoning D1. He created the AH wagon, then jumped ship to attack Dunnstral and refused to say that he still supported the AH wagon.
How would you explain this behaviour? I would ideally want TB to answer these questions but he has been to busy to do so (although he has had time to whip together some basic readlists which is kinda annoying).

In post 1167, Superhans wrote:You haven't properly explained why you find Desperados case appalling.
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Post Post #1353  (isolation #130)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:52 pm

And then you just drop it and start voting and focusing on Kop. When did you decide that regfan's case was "more extensive" and why is it better than the one I built and you've been cheerleading all day?
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Post Post #1355  (isolation #131)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:53 pm

...
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Post Post #1357  (isolation #132)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:54 pm

No, that isn't cold feet.

Unvote
Vote: Superhans
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Post Post #1362  (isolation #133)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:56 pm

Buzzwords!

The analysis is self-evident--there is nothing in Superhans' ISO to support what he's saying right now.
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Post Post #1365  (isolation #134)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:00 pm

In post 1360, Superhans wrote:You think I'm scum with TB? Or is TB out of the picture for now?


My read on you is independent of my read on ThinkBig. He could be scum that you were bussing and now you see a way out with reg in the picture; he could be town that you were riding my coat tails to mislynch and now that reg won't let it happen you've reversing course with nothing to support it.

Either way, your progression does not come from town.
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Post Post #1367  (isolation #135)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:01 pm

In post 1363, ThinkBig wrote:Stop throwing shades. You've been throwing shades at me this entire day and now you're suddenly trying to throw shades at hans.


If thinking you are scum and typing words to persuade others to agree with me = throwing shades then yes, yes I am.
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Post Post #1370  (isolation #136)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:03 pm

In post 1366, Superhans wrote:i've read your case on TB (good shit right there), and I've read RF's (better good shit). You need to step up your game boy. No one is pushing TB apart from you, so you need to convince us.


Better good shit that you never felt compelled to comment on or engage in any way?

And the idea that no one else is pushing TB is nonsense. He was at L-1. There is clearly support for his lynch. I don't "need" to do anything.
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Post Post #1371  (isolation #137)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:07 pm

In post 1368, Superhans wrote:I'm not townreading ThinkBig, I'm just revoking some of my faith in you.


So Reg's townThink case was so good that the scumThink one you'd been cheerleading all day is now complete and utter bollocks, but you also don't think ThinkBig is town?

???
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Post Post #1374  (isolation #138)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:54 pm

In post 1372, Superhans wrote:This wasn't Regfan's argument. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect you to make a convincing case on the wagon you're pushing, otherwise why bother push the wagon at all?


I'm quite certain that it is. Regfan's case is "AH was traitor and pushed ThinkBig, and ThinkBig isn't a strong player."
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Post Post #1376  (isolation #139)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:55 pm

In post 1373, Superhans wrote:Yeh, but I don't think the scum case on ThinkBig is bollocks, just I feel more confident lynching Kop today. Your latest scumpush on TB is not compelling.


You still feel confident lynching a claimed roleblocker?
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Post Post #1377  (isolation #140)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:58 pm

@ Dunn: Why Dave over Super at this point?
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Post Post #1384  (isolation #141)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:18 pm

Go on
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Post Post #1386  (isolation #142)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:18 pm

In post 1379, Dunnstral wrote:It's more like the opposite, why Super over Dave?


I've already given my reasons for thinking Dave is town. Can you do the same for Hans?
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Post Post #1387  (isolation #143)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:19 pm

In post 1385, Regfan wrote:This is a very big characterization of my read on TB, it's not "Bad player therefore town". It's I town read his play individually inside this game regardless of his skill level, I find the traitors push on him to make a lot more sense as trying to push forward a mslynch rather than a partner and I think some of peoples reasoning for scum reading TB is nullified if you look at his meta (re; promises unfulfilled / prod-dodging).I think that's ample reasoning to look elsewhere.


The what now?
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Post Post #1388  (isolation #144)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:20 pm

Oh nevermind, I was reading it wrong. I did later include that in my characterization of your case. Most of the reasons you think he's town in the context of this game are informed by your meta of him not being a strong player, so I don't think I'm misrepresenting anything.
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Post Post #1397  (isolation #145)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:43 pm

@ Reg, the only part I don't agree with is that claiming to roleblock the dead is safe if he's scum.

It isn't weird at all that he isn't suspicious of Gamma's claim, and he voted Gamma because he believed AH to have been diverting pressure off of Gamma after replacing in, not because Gamma pushed AH.

@ Dunn: That would depend on how much power the scum took. You seem to be assuming that they didn't take away; why is that?
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Post Post #1399  (isolation #146)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:44 pm

In post 1396, ThinkBig wrote:@regfan. Good points. I looked through his ISO and not once did he mention SRing ssbm. He did, however, vote for and SR Gamma. Why would he RB ssbm over Gamma?

In post 212, Kop wrote:
In post 210, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 200, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to lynch Realeo


I want to lynch realeo. He's used doctor and cop emojis already, I think he's trying to setup fakeclaim crumbs and needs rope


In post 211, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:also if maf didn't recruit the traitor he could be making obvious PR crumbs to try to get his team to shoot him and recruit him if he's the traitor



These are baseless accusations. They hold no truth or any argument that can hold any water, using them emojis doesn't exactly have a warrant to lynch him, based on that.

As for your second point, that's wrong. If I'm recalling correctly, if they shoot the traitor, he dies. I once had the traitor role and mafia shot me, and I died. I didn't join them.

I'd choose to push a lynch between you, or Superhans right now.

In post 380, Kop wrote:
In post 352, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Desperado, you switched from voting Gamma to voting the player defending Gamma pretty abruptly, can you further explain both of those votes because right now it looks like you're getting onto easy wagons

VOTE: Desperado

In post 364, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Desperado - Yeah, looked like really bad reasoning to me which is why I'm asking him questions. Didn't see anything specific about Thinkbig that would have made AH pick him off the Gamma wagon which makes me think his motivation there was to derail the Gamma wagon, rather than to find scum on it. I guess your vote makes sense, and I was going to vote AH when I read his TB case and looked into the votes on Gamma, but then I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon. Anyways, as I write this post I realize there's better reason to vote for him being scummy than there is to not vote him because his wagon is moving fast.

VOTE: Antihuman


Why does Desperados vote steady your hand because it was naked?

You mentioned before about getting onto easy wagons, haven't you done the same?
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Post Post #1400  (isolation #147)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:45 pm

@ Reg: Dunn might have slipped there
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Post Post #1405  (isolation #148)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:51 pm

You were talking about two different things tho, as scum he would know how much power he took and how safe his claim would be. The way you suggested that he could have been safe to claim a roleblock on someone else makes it seem like you already knew that there are only 2 PRs, regardless of Reg saying that that is likely (even tho his own quick peek suggests that it isn't likely at all).

@ ThinkBig: zzzzz
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Post Post #1406  (isolation #149)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:53 pm

In post 1403, Dunnstral wrote:You serious desperado? I say for there to be 3 town prs scum would have had at LEAST 1 power of their own (which is what kop would have been assuming there)

The likely to only be 2 prs was responding to what regfan had said


If Kop is scum he doesn't need to assume anything.
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Post Post #1408  (isolation #150)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:55 pm

Ah ok, yes I agree
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Post Post #1409  (isolation #151)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:01 pm

Mass claim works for me as well btw
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Post Post #1428  (isolation #152)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:46 am

VT
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Post Post #1454  (isolation #153)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:09 pm

In post 1397, Desperado wrote:@ Reg, the only part I don't agree with is that claiming to roleblock the dead is safe if he's scum.

It isn't weird at all that he isn't suspicious of Gamma's claim, and he voted Gamma because he believed AH to have been diverting pressure off of Gamma after replacing in, not because Gamma pushed AH.

@ Dunn: That would depend on how much power the scum took. You seem to be assuming that they didn't take away; why is that?

In post 1399, Desperado wrote:
In post 1396, ThinkBig wrote:@regfan. Good points. I looked through his ISO and not once did he mention SRing ssbm. He did, however, vote for and SR Gamma. Why would he RB ssbm over Gamma?

In post 212, Kop wrote:
In post 210, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 200, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to lynch Realeo


I want to lynch realeo. He's used doctor and cop emojis already, I think he's trying to setup fakeclaim crumbs and needs rope


In post 211, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:also if maf didn't recruit the traitor he could be making obvious PR crumbs to try to get his team to shoot him and recruit him if he's the traitor



These are baseless accusations. They hold no truth or any argument that can hold any water, using them emojis doesn't exactly have a warrant to lynch him, based on that.

As for your second point, that's wrong. If I'm recalling correctly, if they shoot the traitor, he dies. I once had the traitor role and mafia shot me, and I died. I didn't join them.

I'd choose to push a lynch between you, or Superhans right now.

In post 380, Kop wrote:
In post 352, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Desperado, you switched from voting Gamma to voting the player defending Gamma pretty abruptly, can you further explain both of those votes because right now it looks like you're getting onto easy wagons

VOTE: Desperado

In post 364, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Desperado - Yeah, looked like really bad reasoning to me which is why I'm asking him questions. Didn't see anything specific about Thinkbig that would have made AH pick him off the Gamma wagon which makes me think his motivation there was to derail the Gamma wagon, rather than to find scum on it. I guess your vote makes sense, and I was going to vote AH when I read his TB case and looked into the votes on Gamma, but then I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon. Anyways, as I write this post I realize there's better reason to vote for him being scummy than there is to not vote him because his wagon is moving fast.

VOTE: Antihuman


Why does Desperados vote steady your hand because it was naked?

You mentioned before about getting onto easy wagons, haven't you done the same?
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Post Post #1461  (isolation #154)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:37 pm

In post 1455, ThinkBig wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1454, Desperado wrote:
In post 1397, Desperado wrote:@ Reg, the only part I don't agree with is that claiming to roleblock the dead is safe if he's scum.

It isn't weird at all that he isn't suspicious of Gamma's claim, and he voted Gamma because he believed AH to have been diverting pressure off of Gamma after replacing in, not because Gamma pushed AH.

@ Dunn: That would depend on how much power the scum took. You seem to be assuming that they didn't take away; why is that?

In post 1399, Desperado wrote:
In post 1396, ThinkBig wrote:@regfan. Good points. I looked through his ISO and not once did he mention SRing ssbm. He did, however, vote for and SR Gamma. Why would he RB ssbm over Gamma?

In post 212, Kop wrote:
In post 210, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 200, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to lynch Realeo


I want to lynch realeo. He's used doctor and cop emojis already, I think he's trying to setup fakeclaim crumbs and needs rope


In post 211, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:also if maf didn't recruit the traitor he could be making obvious PR crumbs to try to get his team to shoot him and recruit him if he's the traitor



These are baseless accusations. They hold no truth or any argument that can hold any water, using them emojis doesn't exactly have a warrant to lynch him, based on that.

As for your second point, that's wrong. If I'm recalling correctly, if they shoot the traitor, he dies. I once had the traitor role and mafia shot me, and I died. I didn't join them.

I'd choose to push a lynch between you, or Superhans right now.

In post 380, Kop wrote:
In post 352, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Desperado, you switched from voting Gamma to voting the player defending Gamma pretty abruptly, can you further explain both of those votes because right now it looks like you're getting onto easy wagons

VOTE: Desperado

In post 364, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Desperado - Yeah, looked like really bad reasoning to me which is why I'm asking him questions. Didn't see anything specific about Thinkbig that would have made AH pick him off the Gamma wagon which makes me think his motivation there was to derail the Gamma wagon, rather than to find scum on it. I guess your vote makes sense, and I was going to vote AH when I read his TB case and looked into the votes on Gamma, but then I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon. Anyways, as I write this post I realize there's better reason to vote for him being scummy than there is to not vote him because his wagon is moving fast.

VOTE: Antihuman


Why does Desperados vote steady your hand because it was naked?

You mentioned before about getting onto easy wagons, haven't you done the same?


More IIoA


It's not Information Instead of Analysis if I've already provided the analysis and regfan is either ignoring it or discounting it.
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Post Post #1544  (isolation #155)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:27 am

I still think Kop is real but any cache I had in this game evaporated a while ago so w/e
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Post Post #1550  (isolation #156)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:35 am

In post 1545, Regfan wrote:@Nydus - Personally I think daytalk is underrated as scum and would have probably selected it as well as recruiting the traitor as mafia either that or selected nothing; the rest of the powers don't seem particularly useful to me. I think people look at the setup and roles very differently though but again think the general consensus is people believe lots or none fits for everyone. I very much do think we have a fake claim happening here.

@Desperado - What do you yourself make of the mass-claim results? And why do you think Kops real? This isn't a stance you've shown much inside your ISO; you merely didn't want to lynch a claimed PR earlier.


I was expecting at least another PR claim. But given the lynch pool I don't see which team would take no power--i certainly wouldnt (and haven't as scum in this setup previously).
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Post Post #1557  (isolation #157)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:59 am

Not taking at least one of daytalk, recruitment, or the JOAT is just bizarre to me. You can do without the BP and the Role Cop if you aren't taking a lot of power, and I can understand either doing both recruitment and daytalk or neither, but the JOAT deals with every power role the town can potentially get and is extremely powerful.

I think Kop's claim makes sense, I understand why he chose SSBM over Gamma, and I also don't think claiming roleblocked on a living player is nearly as dangerous as you've been suggesting, especially with Gamma having already outed; that leaves only one role left (tracker) that could counterclaim Kop's roleblock. If anything, I think Kop as scum would understand that claiming a block on the dead is going to look suspicious and, already at L-1, it would be optimal to take the 1/7 chance that he claims to have blocked a tracker with a result by accident.
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Post Post #1559  (isolation #158)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:00 am

context clues bro
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Post Post #1568  (isolation #159)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:12 am

In post 1564, Regfan wrote:@Desp - I personally consider the JOAT very weak in this setup, it's only 2 1-shot abilities and using them optimally is difficult to do. In regards to Kop claiming to roleblock SSBM I think at the moment it's less fear of what other claims there might have been (Because if he's scum he knows there's no other) but the fact that he genuinely couldn't claim a roleblock on a living player; he would have to explain why he never voted or stated a scum read on the player coming into D2 where he voted Gamma.


AH flipped traitor and everything changed.

I had them as town but I got paranoid over night so I wanted to make sure.

Etc. etc. etc.

Do you often find it difficult to explain night actions as scum?
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Post Post #1570  (isolation #160)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:13 am

In post 1566, Regfan wrote:To rephrase to make it clearer;

You roleblock a scum read of yours; he didn't have any scum reads that he could fit roleblocking that was alive D2 given he voted on Gamma and stated nothing else. This means as scum he can't fake a roleblock on a living player other than Gamma, given Gamma had already claimed rolecop with a result that was no longer an option making roleblocking the dead the only viable fake claim.

@Nydus - Scum can't fake claim BG; we'd tell him to be on Gamma and Gamma could never die, something scum can't allow. The only roles scum could fake claim there were tracker/RB.


Sorry, just not buying this. Town players aren't beholden to their reads and they do dumb shit with their night actions all the time. You could cop your biggest townread and still be justified for that 1/100 chance they're snowing you completely.
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Post Post #1571  (isolation #161)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:14 am

And again, everyone's reads and actions D1 were altered with the traitor flip.
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Post Post #1645  (isolation #162)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:18 pm

Gamma is confirmed town if Kop flips scum
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Post Post #1646  (isolation #163)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:20 pm

And if Kop is real as I suspect then nothing is confirmed, which is why I would have rathered lynching outside of the claims.
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Post Post #1651  (isolation #164)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:49 pm

In post 1649, Regfan wrote:Post 388 he asks you and Kop the same question; it's the only time it directs something at two players, this admittedly is very tin-foily and could mean nothing but if Kops scum then there's a little more weight added to it.


You pointing this out originally is when I started to get paranoid of Hans; think his treatment of ThinkBig since you replaced in rams that home.
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Post Post #1652  (isolation #165)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:50 pm

In post 1650, Regfan wrote:If I do die in the night would appreciate if everyone picked up their activity levels tomorrow, that's about the only way town are going to win this.

And my reads haven't changed from the last reads post I made. Mod scene with the flip won't be too far away I'd imagine.


:lol:

It's a 70 page mini, we lynched scum D1, and FMPOV it looks like everyone feels like they have a good handle on the game state.
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Post Post #1655  (isolation #166)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:44 pm

Vote: ThinkBig

We are doing it my way today Reg.
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Post Post #1668  (isolation #167)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:01 pm

null reads on d4

lmao
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Post Post #1674  (isolation #168)  » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:44 pm

In post 1671, Dunnstral wrote:Can the people who keep mentioning Superhans tell me why?

At the very least, nobody is voting him.


I would definitely vote Hans.
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Post Post #1706  (isolation #169)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:44 am

I tried to be persuaded...we ran up another town PR and then lynched him anyway.
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Post Post #1758  (isolation #170)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:17 am

In post 1714, Superhans wrote:Desperado y do you think you are in a position to lead. You're the last person I want to lead right now.


I couldn't care less what you want.
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Post Post #1759  (isolation #171)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:18 am

In post 1721, Superhans wrote:@Desperado,
Has Kop flipping changed your read on ThinkBig at all?


No. I said Kop was town before he flipped, more than once...
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Post Post #1761  (isolation #172)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:19 am

In post 1735, Superhans wrote:Desperado when you counter scum attack me I'd also like to know who your other scum read is and why.


I have been pushing you and Think for quite some time now.
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Post Post #1763  (isolation #173)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:21 am

In post 1750, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 1741, Realeo wrote:How do you ISO SuperHans *250*posts in 2 minutes?


Stop throwing shades. It doesn't take that long to skim through an ISO.


I can't wait to watch this guy hang
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Post Post #1764  (isolation #174)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:21 am

In post 1749, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 1736, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Desperado


This feels very opportunistic. Why did you go from voting Dave to Desperado?

In post 1750, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 1741, Realeo wrote:How do you ISO SuperHans *250*posts in 2 minutes?


Stop throwing shades. It doesn't take that long to skim through an ISO.


Hey Think, what do you call 1749 if not "throwing shade?"
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Post Post #1765  (isolation #175)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:22 am

Oh ya, it's called "playing mafia."
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Post Post #1770  (isolation #176)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:24 am

In post 1762, Superhans wrote:y tho?


Because your entire demeanor regarding his lunch andy case changed when reg replaced in and started WKing think but even though you're sheeped his case you still wouldn't call Think town. It was all terribly scummy.
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Post Post #1771  (isolation #177)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:25 am

In post 1766, Superhans wrote:
In post 1758, Desperado wrote:
In post 1714, Superhans wrote:Desperado y do you think you are in a position to lead. You're the last person I want to lead right now.


I couldn't care less what you want.

You're making this relationship more toxic.


We don't have a relationship lmai
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Post Post #1783  (isolation #178)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:38 am

In post 1773, Superhans wrote:felt that your demeanor regardign Regfan questioning your logic was scummy.


:lol:

OK!
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Post Post #1787  (isolation #179)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:39 am

In post 1776, Superhans wrote:One Scum within:
{ThinkBig Desperado}


haha this is cute, they're both bussing AND putting me in 1v1s with the other
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Post Post #1789  (isolation #180)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:42 am

or.....nah
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Post Post #1790  (isolation #181)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:42 am

You should be an expert on my Think case, you spent half of D2 riding my jock and waving it in front of everyone's face
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Post Post #1793  (isolation #182)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:47 am

In post 1758, Desperado wrote:I couldn't care less what you want.
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Post Post #1795  (isolation #183)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:52 am

I am not counting on your support.
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Post Post #1800  (isolation #184)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:05 pm

In post 1796, Superhans wrote:I want you to tell me why you're voting ThinkBig. Doesn't even have to be much, maybe just 1 sentence if that is all you can be bothered to give.


I am voting ThinkBig because he is scum.
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Post Post #1801  (isolation #185)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:06 pm

In post 1797, Superhans wrote:Lol you gonna exclude me because you're confident I'm scum?


I mean that's part of it. The other part is you betrayed my trust yesterday and your progression didn't make any sense from a town perspective, so even if I didn't think you were scum, I still wouldn't be counting on, or courting, your support.
;)

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Post Post #1804  (isolation #186)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:19 pm

Spoiler: Color Coded VCs, D1 and D2
In post 50, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 001

Superhans ( 4 ) - (Kop, ssbm_Kyouko, Superhans, Gamma Emerald)
MariaR ( 2 ) - (ReubenWasFine, Dunnstral)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) - (algebra)
Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) - (davesaz)
davesaz ( 1 ) - (MariaR)
Kop ( 1 ) - (Secret Agent Jin)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (Realeo)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Hohoho!

In post 175, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 002

Gamma Emerald ( 3 ) - (algebra, Dunnstral, Superhans)
Superhans ( 2 ) - (Kop, MariaR)
MariaR ( 2 ) - (ReubenWasFine, ThinkBig)
Realeo ( 2 ) - (ssbm_Kyouko, Gamma Emerald)
Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) - (davesaz)
Kop ( 1 ) - (Secret Agent Jin)
Dunnstral ( 1 ) - (Realeo)

Not Voting ( 0 )

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Gamma is v/la until 12/25
ThinkBig is v/la until 12/27

In post 262, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 003

Realeo ( 4 ) - (ssbm_Kyouko, Gamma Emerald, algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
Superhans ( 2 ) - (Kop, MariaR)
MariaR ( 2 ) - (ReubenWasFine, ThinkBig)
Secret Agent Jin ( 2 ) - (davesaz, Dunnstral)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) - (Superhans)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (Realeo)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking a replacement for Maria.
Prods will go out tomorrow!

In post 291, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 004

Gamma Emerald ( 5 ) - (Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado, Kop)
Realeo ( 3 ) - (ssbm_Kyouko, algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
Desperado ( 2 ) - (ReubenWasFine, Gamma Emerald)
Secret Agent Jin ( 2 ) - (davesaz, Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 0 )

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding [color=#408000]algebra
and ReubenWasFine.[/color]

In post 326, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 005

Gamma Emerald ( 5 ) - (Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado, Kop)
Realeo ( 3 ) - (ssbm_Kyouko, algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
Desperado ( 2 ) - (ReubenWasFine, Gamma Emerald)
Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) - (davesaz)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (Dunnstral)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking a replacement for [color=#FF0000]ReubenWasFine
.[/color]

In post 371, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 006

Antihuman ( 4 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko)
Gamma Emerald ( 2 ) - (Realeo, Kop)
Realeo ( 2 ) - (algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) - (davesaz)
ThinkBig ( 1 ) - (Antihuman)

Not Voting ( 2 ) - (Superhans, Dunnstral)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding [color=#408000]Kop
.[/color]

In post 437, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 007

Antihuman ( 4 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko)
Realeo ( 2 ) - (algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) - (Realeo)
Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) - (davesaz)
ThinkBig ( 1 ) - (Antihuman)
Desperado ( 1 ) - (Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 2 ) - (Superhans, Kop)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Secret Agent Jin has requested replacement.

In post 512, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 008

Antihuman ( 3 ) - (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko)
Desperado ( 2 ) - (Dunnstral, Alisae)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) - (Realeo)
Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) - (davesaz)
ThinkBig ( 1 ) - (Antihuman)
Dunnstral ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)

Not Voting ( 2 ) - (Superhans, Kop)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

In post 609, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 009

Antihuman ( 5 ) - (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae)
ThinkBig ( 3 ) - (Antihuman, Superhans, Realeo)
Desperado ( 2 ) - (Dunnstral, davesaz)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (Kop)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding [color=#408000]Kop
and Gamma Emerald.
Let me know if the VC is incorrect for some reason.

No deadline extension.[/color]

In post 669, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 010

Antihuman ( 5 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans)
ThinkBig ( 3 ) - (Antihuman, Realeo, Desperado)
Desperado ( 1 ) - (Dunnstral)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)
Kop ( 1 ) - (ssbm_Kyouko)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (Kop)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

In post 715, grapes wrote:Day 1 Finish.

FINAL DAY 1 VC

Antihuman ( 7 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans, Kop, Desperado)

ThinkBig ( 2 ) - (Antihuman, Realeo)
Desperado ( 1 ) - (Dunnstral)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)
Kop ( 1 ) - (ssbm_Kyouko)

Not Voting ( 0 )

Seven to lynch.





Antihuman (Mafia Traitor) was lynched Day 1.

Night 1 begins now and ends in (expired on 2017-01-07 02:12:02).

In post 816, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 001

Gamma Emerald ( 3 ) - (Kop, Realeo, Superhans)
ThinkBig ( 3 ) - (Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)

Not Voting ( 3 ) - (davesaz, ThinkBig, Dunnstral)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 864, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 002

Gamma Emerald ( 4 ) - (Kop, Realeo, Superhans, Dunnstral)
ThinkBig ( 4 ) - (Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, davesaz)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 932, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 003

ThinkBig ( 5 ) - (Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, davesaz, Realeo)
Gamma Emerald ( 2 ) - (Kop, Superhans)
Alisae ( 1 ) - (Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 2 ) - (algebra, ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 956, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 004

ThinkBig ( 5 ) - (Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, davesaz, Realeo)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) - (Kop)
Alisae ( 1 ) - (Dunnstral)

Not Voting ( 3 ) - (algebra, ThinkBig, Superhans)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding [color=#408000]algebra
and Kop.[/color]

In post 1088, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 005

ThinkBig ( 4 ) - (Desperado, Alisae, davesaz, Realeo)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) - (Kop)
Alisae ( 1 ) - (Dunnstral)
Desperado ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)

Not Voting ( 3 ) - (algebra, Superhans, Gamma Emerald)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

Seeking replacement for [color=#408000]algebra
.[/color]

In post 1269, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 006

Kop ( 3 ) - (Dunnstral, Desperado, Regfan)
ThinkBig ( 2 ) - (Alisae, davesaz)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) - (Kop)

Not Voting ( 4 ) - (Superhans, Gamma Emerald, Realeo, ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

Please refrain from using provable randomness -- even just for emoticons.
Thinkbig v/la until Monday.
[color=#408000]Gamma Emerald
v/la until Tuesday.

Seeking a replacement for Alisae.[/color]

In post 1310, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 007

Kop ( 5 ) - (Dunnstral, Desperado, Regfan, davesaz, Superhans)
ThinkBig ( 2 ) - (Alisae, Realeo)

Not Voting ( 3 ) - (Kop, Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 1391, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 008

Kop ( 2 ) - (Regfan, davesaz)
ThinkBig ( 2 ) - (Alisae, Realeo)
davesaz ( 2 ) - (Kop, Dunnstral)
Desperado ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)
Superhans ( 1 ) - (Desperado)

Not Voting ( 2 ) - (Gamma Emerald, Superhans)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

ThinkBig is v/la until Monday.
[color=#408000]Gamma Emerald
is v/la until Tuesday.

Still looking for a replacement for Alisae![/color]

In post 1484, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 009

Kop ( 3 ) - (Regfan, davesaz, Dunnstral)
ThinkBig ( 2 ) - (Alisae, Realeo)
davesaz ( 1 ) - (Kop)
Desperado ( 1 ) - (ThinkBig)
Superhans ( 1 ) - (Desperado)

Not Voting ( 2 ) - (Gamma Emerald, Superhans)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 1500, grapes wrote:DAY 2 VC 010

Kop ( 5 ) - (Regfan, davesaz, Dunnstral, Superhans, ThinkBig)
ThinkBig ( 1 ) - (Realeo)
davesaz ( 1 ) - (Kop)
Superhans ( 1 ) - (Desperado)
Regfan ( 1 ) - (nydushermain)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (Gamma Emerald)

Six to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.

In post 1653, grapes wrote:FINAL DAY 2 VC

Kop ( 6 ) - (Regfan, davesaz, Dunnstral, Superhans, ThinkBig, nydushermain)

ThinkBig ( 1 ) - (Realeo)
davesaz ( 1 ) - (Kop)
Superhans ( 1 ) - (Desperado)

Not Voting ( 1 ) - (Gamma Emerald)

Six to lynch.





Kop (Roleblocker) was lynched Day 2.

Night 2 begins now and ends in (expired on 2017-01-21 21:33:02).
;)

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Post Post #1805  (isolation #187)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:20 pm

In post 1802, Superhans wrote:you weren't making any sense yesterday, you were completely disregarding Regfans critism of your logic.


Regfan's criticism of my logic was poor. I didn't disregard it, I disagreed with it.
;)

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Post Post #1807  (isolation #188)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:28 pm

If I was going to do that, I would have done it already. I made my case, we were thisssssssss close to getting Think lynched, and then Reg replaced in and POOF

Nothing you say or do will compel me to reiterate something I already communicated very clearly.
;)

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Post Post #1809  (isolation #189)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:42 pm

In post 1808, Superhans wrote:so nothing ThinkBig has done since early D2 has changed your opinion on him?


Nope.
;)

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Post Post #1812  (isolation #190)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:04 pm

And the other scum is...
;)

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Post Post #1816  (isolation #191)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:21 pm

I never suggested that he knew AH was traitor.
;)

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Post Post #1818  (isolation #192)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:41 pm

?

I don't understand the question.
;)

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Post Post #1820  (isolation #193)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:47 pm

He wouldn't know, but he could suspect. I explained that very clearly, multiple times.
;)

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Post Post #1826  (isolation #194)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:44 pm

In post 882, Desperado wrote:
In post 881, Realeo wrote:Although there is one plot hole in your reasoning, Desperado.

How does, ThinkBig exactly catch the signal "So you're traitor, AntiHuman? Sorry. I would back off."


If someone replaced in to a game and immediately started creating a completely bullshit case against me as scum, and then a couple pages later was like "LOL just kidding, that was made up just to prove that you could do that against anyone and at least it got a bunch of reactions! hahaha" I think I would get the point and back off.

Don't you?

None to be had. Traitor flip D1 renders anything there moot, and Reg strongarmed the Kop lynch yesterday so I mean, I could state the obvious and say I think both remaining scum were on the Kop lynch but, you know.
;)

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Post Post #1867  (isolation #195)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:28 pm

In post 1863, ThinkBig wrote:The cop is only a goon cop. He would get a result goon/not a goon. Thus if real were a mafia PR, then he would still come up as not a goon. Regardless, the result gives him a much higher chance of being town than scum. I'm comfortable calling him town.


No it doesn't. There's only one goon in the game, so he has the same chance as returning not-goon as everyone else.
;)

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Post Post #1869  (isolation #196)  » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:32 pm

I don't think they chose day chat without recruiting, because that would be stupid.
;)

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Post Post #1904  (isolation #197)  » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:04 am

In post 1900, Superhans wrote:@ Desperado


That's not how it works. Must you make me repeat myself with every question you ask?
;)

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Post Post #1953  (isolation #198)  » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:05 pm

In post 1910, Superhans wrote:So yeah, outside of me and Gb, who could be scum?


I don't entertain hypotheticals like that. There are two scum left, I don't need 3 scum reads
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Post Post #1956  (isolation #199)  » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:12 pm

Too easy? It's fucking d3 and hes been protected by the IC since reg replaced in. What is easy about that???
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