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Post Post #126  (isolation #0)  » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:11 pm

VOTE: McMenno

^serious vote is serious
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Post Post #258  (isolation #1)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:47 am

So....McMenno????
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Post Post #260  (isolation #2)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:53 am

hmmmm



nah
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Post Post #263  (isolation #3)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:22 am

In post 261, Narna wrote:Is Lane town?


Could be ya.

Find scum intent in mcmeemo posting.


Faking the PR; no meaningful response to his wagon; no thoughts on dreal responding to his wagon for him.
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Post Post #267  (isolation #4)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:12 pm

Even if everyone answered truthfully both on the questionnaire and in their answers here I don't think we'd be able to deduce anything from that information. We don't know what kind of assumptions xyzzy was making to interpret the data and make design decisions.

I don't know if it's necessarily anti-town, mainly because merely discussing this issue can provide alignment indicators, but I do think it could end up dominating the discussion and give scum an easy IIoA avenue.
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Post Post #269  (isolation #5)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:19 pm

Ya that's kind of weird. I was going to say that it's kind of similar to what I said but it's really not.
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Post Post #284  (isolation #6)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:04 pm

um

lane is town as shit
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Post Post #329  (isolation #7)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:08 pm

Still feeling really good about a McMenno vote
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Post Post #337  (isolation #8)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:10 pm

So scum are or are not on you currently?
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Post Post #363  (isolation #9)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:06 pm

In post 349, drealmerz7 wrote:you call that effort on a snarky lynch???

noooo, again, that is you just framing a narrative how you want to see it

HORRIBLY OBVIOUSLY TOO


um

No it's not. "Participate or die" cannot be interpreted any other way than as a threat to vote him for lurking.
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Post Post #364  (isolation #10)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:07 pm

In post 354, drealmerz7 wrote:you're literally SITTING THERE WAITING TO FIND ANYTHING YOU CAN TO TWIST IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE

AND DOING ACTUALLY NOTHING OF YOUR OWN


So is he sitting there waiting to twist what you say into something else, or is he doing nothing of his own?
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Post Post #365  (isolation #11)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:11 pm

I don't even think Dreal is scum. If he IS scum exhibiting this level of town paranoia, I would be highly impressed. Has anyone played with him before?
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Post Post #369  (isolation #12)  » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:59 pm

???

Explain to me how I'm wrong.
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Post Post #393  (isolation #13)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:50 am

In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.


When a player is wagoned he has four options:

1) Ignore it and do nothing else
2) Ignore it and continue scumhunting
3) Address it and do nothing else
4) Address it and continue scumhunting

1) and 3) lean scum, 2) and 4) lean town. McMenno and Davsto clearly reacted differently to their wagons so I'm curious what leads you to suggest that I'm "misapplying" anything here.

As for the last bit, Drealmerz questioned multiple McMenno votes--that is a response to the McMenno wagon, by definition. He carried a conversation on with lane regarding it, but if another player goes out of his way to question multiple votes on my town slot in RVS, I would want to know why and I would expect other townies to feel similarly.

In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:The last sentence pings me because (1) it reads as fence-sitting about the discussion as a whole, whereas most (active) players have taken a hard stance on it, and (2) KainTepes and drealmerz had just gone through a lengthy back-and-forth about the discussion at hand, but Desperado doesn't elaborate about what, if any "alignment indicators" he picked up on from their exchange -- this begs the questions
-If the KainTepes/drealmerz exchange didn't provide any alignment indicators (side note: I think it did), what type of indicators should we actually be searching for with regards to the questionnaire-reveal discussion? &
-If the exchange did provide alignment indicators, why didn't Desperado share these at the time? Why bring up the fact that the discussion can provide alignment indicators if you aren't going to talk about them?


Up to now Kain and Dreal are the only people truly engaging the questionnaire discussion and I have shared my Dreal read so I'm not really sure where you're going with this.
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Post Post #394  (isolation #14)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:52 am

In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:If you're not voting davsto, you're wrong.

Lane is a good choice otherwise though.


"Snarky steps back up to the plate down 0-2 in the count, and the pitch..."
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Post Post #395  (isolation #15)  » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:56 am

In post 392, McMenno wrote:I mean twou ouf thouse points are literally I was nout oun at the time sou I've resigned to him being either a lyncher oun me our bad scum


Are they?

In post 130, McMenno wrote:I will OUVERTHROUW this nefarious brit

In post 148, lane0168 wrote:VOTE: mcmenno

In post 149, drealmerz7 wrote:why the vote on mcmenno?

In post 154, ɀefiend wrote:VOTE: McMenno

In post 155, drealmerz7 wrote:mcmenno, did you poop inside or something?

In post 173, McMenno wrote:are you nout oumgusing, davstou


You're active lurking, you aren't outwardly attempting to game solve or help anyone else do so, and I want you dead.
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Post Post #428  (isolation #16)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:54 am

@ zefriend: "Hell, he even voted himself" come on. Davsto self voted in RVS. Once RVS was over, he began scumhunting. McMenno has not.

I don't care if there was a bigger wagon on someone else, I care that McMenno didn't care to comment on the votes on him, or on dreal's questioning of the votes on him, or on lane's questioning of dreals' questioning. McMenno was a key player in the early game and he doesn't have any thoughts on anything that happened. He's scum.

As for your last point, the alignment indicators are still going. The questionnaire discussion isn't over. Dreal was suggesting that we should never talk about it ever, I was suggesting that we should because even if the information isn't trustworthy or relevant, each players' response to it will be meaningful. Saying my methodology is bunk when it isn't even remotely close to be complete is pretty silly.
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Post Post #429  (isolation #17)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:57 am

In post 424, drealmerz7 wrote:lane wants to be a mod
lane should sign up to mod


I mean...3/10 of frank's post game in pre game. 2 more are prod dodges. And now he won't be active for another 8 days, at least?
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Post Post #430  (isolation #18)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:58 am

You know, when the deadline is
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Post Post #434  (isolation #19)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:47 pm

You forgot the third option--the theory is correct but results are still being collected as testing is still ongoing.
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Post Post #435  (isolation #20)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:48 pm

In post 432, FrankJaeger wrote:Also the day after my sons bday


Awesome man, enjoy his birthday.

....what does that have to do with the fact that you will have essentially not played the entire day phase tho?
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Post Post #439  (isolation #21)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:35 pm

In post 437, ɀefiend wrote:Idk why you're being so dodgy about this.


What am I being dodgy about? You're asking me for reads I don't have.
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Post Post #441  (isolation #22)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:43 pm

I do have reads. Zefriend wants reads that are specifically related to the questionnaire discussion.
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Post Post #452  (isolation #23)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:06 pm

Read my ISO then man, I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore.
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Post Post #455  (isolation #24)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:14 pm

If you've read my ISO then you would have seen the reads I've seen fit to divulge. They are reads I feel strongly enough about to give and support if necessary. If I haven't given a read on someone, it's because they don't lean one way or the other yet, or there's conflicting information, or any other of a number of reasons why I wouldn't have given a read on someone yet.
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Post Post #458  (isolation #25)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:50 pm

Kain - I'd question anyone who has a clear read here

Narna - He's gotten several top town reads; I haven't seen anything either way
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Post Post #470  (isolation #26)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:21 pm

ATTENTION; ALL THREE OF THE CURRENT WAGONS ARE ON TOWN.
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Post Post #472  (isolation #27)  » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:26 pm

In post 468, Aristophanes wrote:What do you think of Narna's tone and approach to the game? They seem to be narrating more than giving opinions (with a few exceptions) and playing it rather safe in general. In my quick Iso of them, I saw a lot of almost content, but not much that really had anything to it.


Aye. That doesn't make them scum, either, but the hard townreads raise eyebrows for sure.
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Post Post #488  (isolation #28)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:58 pm

In post 481, Azral wrote:Can you elaborate on this?


Think I already have. Lane, dreal, and davsto are all town.
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Post Post #489  (isolation #29)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:00 pm

In post 486, xyzzy wrote:"none of you have actually changed your votes since the last votecount," says the omnipotent voice in the sky, "but there's a couple of prods in the mod notes, so here's another votecount!"

"what the fuck is a votecount, and what the fuck is a mod notes," says everyone in exasperation simultaneously. it's actually pretty impressive.

"well," says the voice in the sky, "wait until I tell you about 'pedits'. that'll blow your minds."


votecount 1.083 players voting for drealmerz7 (Davsto, Aristophanes, lane0168)
3 players voting for lane0168 (Narna, drealmerz7, FrankJaeger)
2 players voting for Davsto (McMenno, SnarkySnowman)
1 player voting for McMenno (Desperado)
1 player voting for Desperado (ɀefiend)
1 player voting for ɀefiend (Azral)
1 player voting for Azral (KainTepes)

1 player not voting (Gamma Emerald)

with 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch

the day will end in 3 days, 2 hours, 49 minutes


mod notes: Gamma Emerald is V/LA until January 17 and has been prodded. Narna and Davsto have been prodded. p-edit: Davsto was able to post in the thread in the like 2 minutes between me sending the prod and making this post. good job, Davsto.


Davsto wagon is definitely the worst. Like, early contender for Worst Wagon of the Year.

Frank's vote on lane looks the worst, for sure. Dreal and Narna have at least been open about why they think lane is scum, they're just mistaken.

@ Davsto and lane; stop voting dreal and help me lynch McMenno, ya?
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Post Post #491  (isolation #30)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:04 pm

Do you think scum are active or lurking?
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Post Post #492  (isolation #31)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:04 pm

In this particular game.
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Post Post #493  (isolation #32)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:05 pm

{Azral, Frank, Snarky, McMenno}

2 scum here I reckon
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Post Post #499  (isolation #33)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:13 pm

In post 496, drealmerz7 wrote:you didn't address my point


I don't care if McMenno has been lynchbait in the past or whatever your experience with him. In this game his active lurking and lack of engagement are scummy.
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Post Post #500  (isolation #34)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:16 pm

In post 263, Desperado wrote:
In post 261, Narna wrote:Is Lane town?


Could be ya.

Find scum intent in mcmeemo posting.


Faking the PR; no meaningful response to his wagon; no thoughts on dreal responding to his wagon for him.

In post 284, Desperado wrote:um

lane is town as shit

In post 393, Desperado wrote:
In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.


When a player is wagoned he has four options:

1) Ignore it and do nothing else
2) Ignore it and continue scumhunting
3) Address it and do nothing else
4) Address it and continue scumhunting

1) and 3) lean scum, 2) and 4) lean town. McMenno and Davsto clearly reacted differently to their wagons so I'm curious what leads you to suggest that I'm "misapplying" anything here.

As for the last bit, Drealmerz questioned multiple McMenno votes--that is a response to the McMenno wagon, by definition. He carried a conversation on with lane regarding it, but if another player goes out of his way to question multiple votes on my town slot in RVS, I would want to know why and I would expect other townies to feel similarly.

In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:The last sentence pings me because (1) it reads as fence-sitting about the discussion as a whole, whereas most (active) players have taken a hard stance on it, and (2) KainTepes and drealmerz had just gone through a lengthy back-and-forth about the discussion at hand, but Desperado doesn't elaborate about what, if any "alignment indicators" he picked up on from their exchange -- this begs the questions
-If the KainTepes/drealmerz exchange didn't provide any alignment indicators (side note: I think it did), what type of indicators should we actually be searching for with regards to the questionnaire-reveal discussion? &
-If the exchange did provide alignment indicators, why didn't Desperado share these at the time? Why bring up the fact that the discussion can provide alignment indicators if you aren't going to talk about them?


Up to now Kain and Dreal are the only people truly engaging the questionnaire discussion and I have shared my Dreal read so I'm not really sure where you're going with this.

In post 394, Desperado wrote:
In post 390, SnarkySnowman wrote:If you're not voting davsto, you're wrong.

Lane is a good choice otherwise though.


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Post Post #502  (isolation #35)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:28 pm

Me consistently townreading the three leading wagons and then declaring all three of the leading wagons being on town (with the implication being that we should go another direction) isn't elaborating on it?
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Post Post #508  (isolation #36)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:54 pm

In post 506, drealmerz7 wrote:you are evading

why is it scummy here and not at other times?

what makes it scummy here

how can I learn to differentiate between the two? tell me what you see is what I'm asking

quit evading


Not following your meta read that amounts to "he gets lynched a lot d1" doesn't mean I'm evading. I legitimately don't care.

It's not a matter of learning to differentiate, it's a matter of lynching what's scummy. And being active while not adding anything substantive, especially when you should be a part of the discussion but you aren't, is scummy.
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Post Post #511  (isolation #37)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:59 pm

In post 503, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 502, Desperado wrote:Me consistently townreading the three leading wagons and then declaring all three of the leading wagons being on town (with the implication being that we should go another direction) isn't elaborating on it?
I don't see the town motivation from Dreal. Lane I agree with, and Dav I'm still sorting but want to play with longer, so not voting there.

Tell me fhy you townread them.


Everything that occurred between he and Kain was town. I said this at the time.

I'm really not being cagey about any of this so I don't understand why people keep making me repeat myself.
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Post Post #512  (isolation #38)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:01 pm

@ Dreal, relax man. I'm not evading anything.

McMenno is active lurking and is not even bothering to attempt to solve the game.

^Scumtells. I think he's scum. I want to lynch him for playing this game in a scummy way, because that's what you fucking do in Mafia. You lynch people who do scummy things.

Him lurking in a previous game and flipping town is irrelevant.
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Post Post #515  (isolation #39)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:23 pm

No, I'm not. I've developed town reads on three players, a vote count was posted that showed those three as the only wagons with more than one vote, and I wanted to call attention to everyone that all of the leading wagons are shit.

^What is cagey about this?
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Post Post #517  (isolation #40)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:33 pm

I've said repeatedly that I don't care if he's lurked as town before.

What do you make of him contradicting your meta read?
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Post Post #521  (isolation #41)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:41 pm

Just stop, dreal. I am reading your words. I do not care if you've seen him lurk as town before. That doesn't make him town this game!

What do you make of McMenno contradicting exactly what we're discussing right now?
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Post Post #523  (isolation #42)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:50 pm

I have explained why McMenno's active lurking is scummy multiple times.
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Post Post #524  (isolation #43)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:51 pm

Perhaps you could try ISOing me and then ctrl+Fing "mcmenno" and then following my progression on him. That might clue you in.
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Post Post #527  (isolation #44)  » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:55 pm

oh ok
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Post Post #553  (isolation #45)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:13 am

In post 549, Azral wrote:No, I mean you're projecting your own interpretation onto Desp's posts to try to make sense of his read. But without Desp actually saying the words, that's all it is and quite likely to be wrong. Is he the type to recommend we just policy lynch all the active lurkers? I kind of doubt it.


Is that what I'm doing tho?

Cuz...I'm pretty sure it isn't.
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Post Post #554  (isolation #46)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:17 am

I'm pushing McMenno and not Frank or Snarky because McMenno is lurking AND he's doing it in a scummy way AND he isn't trying to solve the game AND all of the key players thus far look town to me so my working theory is that scum saw the dreal vs kain > dreal vs lane > dreal vs davsto (is anyone seeing a pattern here???? dreal isn't scum) battles and said "hahahaha NOP"
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Post Post #556  (isolation #47)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:59 am

Dreal I'm sorry man, I've said it three or four times. I can't say it any other way. If 554 doesn't explain it then just move on and tilt someone else's windmill.
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Post Post #558  (isolation #48)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:06 am

Don Quixote, tilting at windmills
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Post Post #560  (isolation #49)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:13 am

OK, so if not McMenno and not lane, then who?

Azral?
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Post Post #562  (isolation #50)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:19 am

no

They're both town. Who else?
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Post Post #564  (isolation #51)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:57 pm

I could vote Snarky. He only has 6 posts and and are two of the worst posts in the whole game.
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Post Post #567  (isolation #52)  » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:16 pm

It's meant more as a signal that we aren't going to lynch either one today so who can we agree on.
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Post Post #589  (isolation #53)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:53 pm

OK, is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.

@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:

Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.

@ Davsto, lane

Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.

@ Narna

Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here.
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Post Post #592  (isolation #54)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:08 pm

I've given my reasons for not voting the leading wagons and for why McMenno is scum and I'm not willing to let it go. Dreal's been at 3 votes for over a week. It's not happening and you aren't pressuring him.
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Post Post #593  (isolation #55)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:09 pm

In post 591, lane0168 wrote:... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.


No, I'm asking the 5 people who aren't voting one of the leading wagons why they aren't voting the leading wagons.
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Post Post #595  (isolation #56)  » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:12 pm

In post 594, Davsto wrote:So you don't think any of dreal, lane, I, zefiend, Azral or Aristophanes are scum? And you're too stubborn to push a lynch which at least has a good chance of flipping scum and instead will push a lynch that you're certain is scum but is unlikely to flip?


I could vote Azral, but I don't feel compelled to switch my vote right now, especially if the leading wagons disperse as I anticipate they will, which will obviously change the voting landscape.
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Post Post #602  (isolation #57)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:48 am

does this really strike you as a game where scum are concerned about looking busy???
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Post Post #613  (isolation #58)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:05 pm

@ Lane I get it man, really. But Narna isn't getting lynched today either.
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Post Post #618  (isolation #59)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:16 pm

Narna is scumediating a dispute that doesn't even exist.

He wasn't "throwing shade," he misunderstood what I said and then asked a question about it, which I answered.
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Post Post #620  (isolation #60)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:42 pm

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, he did not twist my words. He was confused so he asked me what I said. He didn't throw shade, he didn't approach me with hostility, and he also responded to my question to him constructively as well. Then I cleared up the confusion and we moved along.
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Post Post #622  (isolation #61)  » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:25 pm

In post 591, lane0168 wrote:
In post 589, Desperado wrote:OK, is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.

@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:

Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.

@ Davsto, lane

Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.

@ Narna

Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here.


"why aren't you guys voting dreal lane or davsto"

"why are you guys voting dreal"

... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.

What's id lynch Frank for his bs case on me. And I'd vote Narna if it was worth it.

But I'm staying in dreal, because I'm not voting davsto, and I'm not voting myself. Like you said. 5 days


Here you go, Narna.
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Post Post #642  (isolation #62)  » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:11 pm

lol
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