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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:33 pm

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VOTE: Real
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Post Post #36 (isolation #1) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:10 am

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Let's try to get some discussion going.

1. What's your favorite open setup?
2. What is your favorite/least favorite role?
3. Do you prefer town or scum?

My choice

1. Fire and ice
2. Either cop or vig
3. Town
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Post Post #127 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:43 am

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V/LA until Tuesday. Busy with the holidays.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:44 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #130 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:08 am

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In post 102, Dunnstral wrote:It's about intent. Get off of me. I'm not getting lynched. Vote Gamma.
In post 103, Dunnstral wrote:Next thing you know I'll be l-5 followed by l-4
I find these two posts to be an over reaction and I'm not liking post 103.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:10 am

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In post 74, Realeo wrote:He has two OPTIONS. ALTERNATIVE. He didn't talk about SuperHans means HE DIDN'T TAKE THE OPTION.
False dichotomy and really poor analysis from your part.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:30 am

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In post 132, algebra wrote:Realeo is probably town. I don't think scum would use a line of reasoning as absurd as Realeo's.
Real is null for me right now. In past games, he has usually been the vi.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:30 am

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In post 141, Dunnstral wrote:davesaz scummy
Why?
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Post Post #151 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:59 am

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VOTE: MariaR

Serious vote.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:03 am

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In post 154, MariaR wrote:Ask me in a few days :3
Why? So you can continue to evade the question and think of an answer?
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Post Post #161 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 159, MariaR wrote:
In post 156, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 154, MariaR wrote:Ask me in a few days :3
Why? So you can continue to evade the question and think of an answer?
Mother fucker you think I can't come up with a fake answer on the spot if I wanted? Please that's super easy
Then why not answer the fucking question? Your passive aggressive defense isn't winning you any town points from me.
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Post Post #193 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:09 pm

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In post 190, Dunnstral wrote:
intent to hammer
He is at L-3.
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Post Post #194 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:09 pm

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We have 12 days left. No need to rush a lynch.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:29 pm

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In post 195, Realeo wrote:
In post 193, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 190, Dunnstral wrote:
intent to hammer
He is at L-3.
@TB : It's a classic gambit.\

Hey TD! Explain how MariaR is AI?
I didn't say it was AI.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:24 pm

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In post 197, Realeo wrote:So why you vote him and say "serious vote"?
It was a pressure vote to get him to answer the question he was asked and actually contribute.
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Post Post #265 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:10 pm

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Welcome Desperado! I will be catching up and posting tomorrow. Hope everyone had a nice holiday.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:12 pm

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VOTE: Gamma

Afraid of what? Please explain your vote.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #17) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:41 pm

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@Desperado: In this instance, yes. He didn't even give you a chance to post before he voted for you because he was afraid. His vote and the reason for that vote is scum y.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:48 am

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In post 286, Superhans wrote:Question to the veterans:
Do town players substitute out at a greater rate than scum players, or is it usually the same rate?
I'm just curious.
I've seen it from both alignments. Replacing out is NAI.
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Post Post #332 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:11 am

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In post 331, Antihuman wrote:It's only logical to townread people who lynched scum
This is bad logic. Someone obviously hasn't heard of bussing or is woefully ignorant of it. Lynching scum is not a reason to TR people. In fact, in my experience, I'm more likely to find scum on the wagon than off it.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #20) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:12 am

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I'll respond to your case after I get home from the Hanukkah party. Your case against me is bad and you should feel bad.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:28 am

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I'll respond to what I can and respond to the rest later.
In post 329, Antihuman wrote:Lol everybody who's sheeping the Gamma wagon "cause he posts fluff" should take a good fucking look at ThinkingBig
In post 36, ThinkBig wrote:Let's try to get some discussion going.

1. What's your favorite open setup?
2. What is your favorite/least favorite role?
3. Do you prefer town or scum?

My choice

1. Fire and ice
2. Either cop or vig
3. Town
Useless rqs shit
Explain why it is useless. It got the discussion flowing and IMO is much better than random pointing fingers and random accusations.
In post 127, ThinkBig wrote:
V/LA until Tuesday. Busy with the holidays.
Excuses not to post content

[/quote]

This is objectively false. I have been V/LA in all my games.
In post 288, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 286, Superhans wrote:Question to the veterans:
Do town players substitute out at a greater rate than scum players, or is it usually the same rate?
I'm just curious.
I've seen it from both alignments. Replacing out is NAI.
IIoA


Why is my post IIoA and Kop's post (who posted the same exact thing) not IIoA?

You're tunneling me in an anti-town way. Why did you choose to focus exclusively on my and no-one else?

VOTE: Antihuman

For tunneling me in an anti-town way.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:35 am

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In post 341, Antihuman wrote:I'm tunnelling you cause I'm a daycop with a guilty on you
Daycops are impossible in this setup. If you're looking to get a reaction out of me, you're not getting one. Sorry!
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Post Post #349 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:03 pm

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In post 346, Antihuman wrote:TB when is a tunnel pro-town?
When you actually have a guilty result on someone and don't have to resort to dirty tricks and traps.
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Post Post #383 (isolation #24) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:48 pm

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In post 381, Superhans wrote:@ThinkBig

Out of 4 players on the Gammagon:

K O P
D E S P E R A D O
R E A L O
T H I N K B I G
S U P E R H A N S

¿Why Did He Go After You?
Not sure TBH. Possibly because I was the one that got the wagon moving. In any case, the wagon and my vote did exactly what I wanted it to do.
In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown[/quote

You no say?
I've seen few interesting reactions, gonna elaborate tomorrow (this is the part where TB should shout: excuses!).
Excuses!!
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Post Post #475 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:08 pm

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Just re read the last few pages.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I really don't like his defense of antihuman. It reeks the smell of buddying.

I'll provide my full reads and more information on Sunday night after work. Been quite busy with the holiday.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:06 am

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Here are my reads so far:

Algebra
- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.

Alisae
- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.

ssbm_Kyouko
- Null lean.

Davesaz
- Null town.

Kop - Null

Gamma - Null

Superhans - Null

Desperado
- Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.

Realeao
- Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.

Antihuman
- I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.

I think that's everyone. Let me know if I missed someone.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:08 am

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In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Here are my reads so far:

Algebra
- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.

Alisae
- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.

ssbm_Kyouko
- Null lean.

Davesaz
- Null town.

Kop - Null

Gamma - Null

Superhans - Null

Dunnestral
- Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.

Realeao
- Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.

Antihuman
- I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.

I think that's everyone. Let me know if I missed someone.
EBWOP.

I also think I mistook desperado/dunnestral. I also have a SL on desperado.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:15 am

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In post 505, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Alisae, algebra is literally confirmed town, he's innocent child
I think he was clearly joking.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #29) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:45 am

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In post 509, Desperado wrote:
In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Desperado - Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.
Um....

I'm voting Antihuman?
See the edit post. I meant dunnestral but put you by mistake.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #30) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:57 am

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In post 511, Desperado wrote:Ya but then you didn't explain the SL on me either, so I'm questioning the authenticity of your read. Why do you think I'm bussing Antihuman right now?
I never said you were bussing AH. I said that you two are scum reads for me.
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Post Post #516 (isolation #31) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:12 am

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@Desperado: AH was and still is my biggest SR. the reason I switched my vote was to provide pressure for dunnestral. He hasn't really been contributing and buddies in an anti-town kind of way. Thus my vote is for pressure. I'll certainly switch my vote back at a later time. This is simply my play style.

P-edit: Accusations and analysis of buddying and budding is best done after a flip. That is just my opinion. One doesn't necessarily follow the other.
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Post Post #518 (isolation #32) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:22 am

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In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 514, Desperado wrote:@ Dunnstral: What do you make of ThinkBig leaving the AH wagon to vote you despite a reads list that has Antihuman as his biggest scumread?
@TB why are you voting me instead of AH
As I explained above. You were buddying him in an anti-town way and anti-town feel. Do you still think AH is town? If so, why?
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Post Post #520 (isolation #33) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:25 am

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In post 519, Dunnstral wrote:That doesn't explain why if you think ah is scummier than me, and he has more votes, you'd jump off to vote me by yourself
A non answer to my question. I didn't say you were scummier than him. Indeed, as I said above, AH is still my biggest SR.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #34) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:38 am

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In post 521, Dunnstral wrote:OK

So why aren't you voting AH who has 3 votes, and instead voting me who only has yours

What are you trying to do
I'm trying to get you to answer my questions which you still haven't done.
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Post Post #524 (isolation #35) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:27 pm

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In post 523, Superhans wrote:Voting ThinkBig mainly for being on, and creating the AntiHuman wagon.

In post 371, grapes wrote:
Antihuman ( 4 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko) <The AntiHuman wagon. You've unvoted and placed vote on Dunnstral, but you're claiming that you're very much still ON this wagon, if you get what I mean.
No, I don't get what you mean. When did I claim I was still on his wagon after voting for dunnestral?


Your case on AntiHuman smells opportunistic to me.
I disagree with AntiHuman's logic, but scum? Maybe, but I don't think your attack on him should be made with your level of confidence.

Also your vote on AH is him tunnelling? but he has gone after other players too? No? I don't buy the derail the Gamma wagon theory. THe gammagon was not really a wagon at all, just a response to his weird af playstyle.
Why was my vote on AH tunneling? I initially voted for him because he initially attacked me in an opportunistic and scummy way by misrepresenting my posts and misrepresenting my position. He attacked me for being V/LA and he attacked me for my RQS questions. The only player that AH has openly and explicitly attacked was me.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #36) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:54 pm

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This question
In post 518, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 514, Desperado wrote:@ Dunnstral: What do you make of ThinkBig leaving the AH wagon to vote you despite a reads list that has Antihuman as his biggest scumread?
@TB why are you voting me instead of AH
As I explained above. You were buddying him in an anti-town way and anti-town feel. Do you still think AH is town? If so, why?
Stop feigning ignorance.

I'd also like to know why you were quick to defend AH despite his fast moving wagon.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #37) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:36 pm

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In post 527, Superhans wrote:@TB I meant your case on AH was the fact you thought he was tunneling you.
And he was...not only was he tunneling me, but he misrepresented my posts and ignored other similar posts. Do you feel that he was tunneling me? Why or why not?

P-edit: Why do you feel my attack on him was not genuine? Do you believe that his attack on me was genuine?
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Post Post #533 (isolation #38) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:39 pm

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In post 530, Superhans wrote:You instigated and approve of the ah waging? No?
Yes, I did help to instigate the AH wagon and I do approve of the wagon.
In post 531, Superhans wrote:His attack on you was poor. It was forced and relied on shut logic.
And this is exactly why I responded by voting for him. If you agree that his attack on me was poor and forced, why do you think my response was anti-town?
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Post Post #567 (isolation #39) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:41 am

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In post 536, Superhans wrote:Gonna elaborate hard AF in morning
I saw your case and will respond to it when I get off work tonight.
In post 535, Superhans wrote:Cos ur logic was shitter
Shitty logic does not necessarily equal scum. What made antihuman's attack scummy was his contrived logic, cherry picking my posts (i.e. my V/LA) while ignoring very similar posts (i.e. the one he called IIoA). I also really do not like his 537. I'll elaborate on that when I get home.

UNVOTE: Dunnestral
VOTE: Antihuman
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Post Post #568 (isolation #40) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:41 am

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In post 561, Realeo wrote:I would move to the Desperado wagon 4 deadline. Not satisfied with the case at either AH or Desperado, but I Tr AH.
This does not sit well with me at all.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #41) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:51 am

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Revised Read List


Algebra
- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.

Alisae
- By far my biggest town read. He shows genuine interest in the game and shows genuine scum hunting.

Superhans
- Town lean. I disagree with his logic, but I understand where he is coming from

ssbm_Kyouko - Null town.

Davesaz - Null town.

Kop - Null

Gamma - Null

Desperado
- Null, leans scum. I don't really buy the traitor theory nor do I buy the logic behind it.

Realeao
- Scum lean. 561 screams opportunistic and sheeping. I also don't like how he is constantly flipping his reads and can't seem to make up his mind.

Antihuman
- Continuing to throw shades and continuing
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Post Post #572 (isolation #42) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:14 am

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In post 571, Desperado wrote:You're still voting Realeo and no one is voting Superhans.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #43) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:45 am

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In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang
^ Lynch this please.

You come in and tunnel me in an anti-town way, cheery picked my posts, used shitty logic to get votes on me, and ignored other similar posts and no we are expected to believe that you didn't want to lynch me?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #44) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:48 am

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In post 579, Antihuman wrote:Yeah and you're omgused me with no explicit arguments other than "you're scummy for voting me", bitch please
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

I didn't OMGUS you for voting for me. I voted for you because of the bad logic and the way that you pushed me.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #45) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:49 am

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In post 577, Antihuman wrote:@TB you also left out Dunnstral from your list again, wtf is up with that?
:facepalm: on my part. I just copied and pasted the last read list.
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Post Post #610 (isolation #46) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:55 am

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In post 606, Superhans wrote:Or better way of phrasing question:
if AH IS scum, who would you guess could be his scum partner,
If AH is scum, my guess would be Gamma.
If AH is town, then desperado is most likely the traitor.
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Post Post #656 (isolation #47) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:38 am

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I think that was the hammer actually.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #48) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:39 am

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Antihuman ( 7/7 ) - (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae, Superhans, Dave)
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Post Post #668 (isolation #49) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:50 pm

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We have 5 hrs left. I'm willing to lynch either lol or AH, though I think AH's flip will give us far more information to work with.

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Post Post #674 (isolation #50) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:00 pm

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In post 672, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
What?
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Post Post #677 (isolation #51) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:01 pm

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Here is where I stand, out of kop and AH, I believe we will learn more information based upon AH's flip. What benefit will town gain by lynching a lurker? We won't gain any new information to help us D2
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Post Post #766 (isolation #52) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:21 am

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Interesting night kill.
In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:but yeah im onto something i think so
if im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the day
, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I think
Gamma/Dave/Alisae
This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?

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Post Post #768 (isolation #53) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:46 am

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In post 758, algebra wrote:I'm still alive, it's a miracle.
I think you are still alive for two reasons:

1. You weren't very active last day phase;
2. ssbm was too close to the truth.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #54) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:09 am

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In post 784, Gamma Emerald wrote:EEEEWWW WHY WOULD YOU THINK SCUM IS BUDDYING EACH OTHER
This was before AH flipped traitor.
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Post Post #863 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:23 pm

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Pdodge. Will be posting tonight after work.

@MOD: Vote count please
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Post Post #902 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:51 pm

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I apologize for my inactivity. I have a lot to catch up on. Since I'm at L-1, I will claim:
Vanilla Town.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:54 pm

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Post Post #960 (isolation #58) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:57 am

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In post 957, Realeo wrote:GE claimed JOAT so I need to give a second thought
GE claimed Goon Cop, not JOAT. JAOT is a mafia-only role in this set up.

PS: Catching up now.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #59) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:33 am

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In post 991, Alisae wrote:Duuuuuuuude. You just hammered.
Real did unvote so it is L1
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Post Post #996 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:33 am

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I am working. Please don't hammer until I get back.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #61) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:36 am

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For now

VOTE: Alisae

I feel like 991 and 993 were contrived.
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #62) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:01 pm

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In post 1019, Desperado wrote:In order to call it contrived, you have to believe that Alisae was attempting to appear genuinely dismayed.
What good is a reaction test if you're not at least trying to come off as genuinely dismayed?

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Post Post #1037 (isolation #63) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:38 pm

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In post 1030, Desperado wrote:
In post 1023, ThinkBig wrote:What good is a reaction test if you're not at least trying to come off as genuinely dismayed?
If you acknowledge that it was a reaction test then your original assertion that it was contrived is nonsensical.

Can we please lynch this now?
Nice job throwing shades.

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If you look through his ISO, he's been almost as bad as antihuman with his logic. He has been throwing shades at me this entire game.
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #64) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:39 pm

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In post 1025, Superhans wrote:Dunnstral how has ur game play changed since this game?
Shitty meta analysis
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #65) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:43 pm

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My thoughts:

1) Desperado has been throwing shades at me for nearly the entire game. His "logic" and reasons are almost as bad, if not worse than, antihuman (who flipped traitor).
2) Gamma claimed goon cop. For the record, I see no reason not to believe his claim.
3) Not liking realeo at all. Don't like how he mixed up gamma's claim and turned it into a JOAT (a scum-only role in this set-up).
4) Alisae's reaction test seems contrieved and fake. These types of "reaction tests" I expect to see more from scum than from town.

Final thoughts for now: I think you'll find the last remaining scum between desperado, realeo, and alisae.
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #66) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:51 am

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Realeo wrote:
I feel that ThinkBig is plagiarizing his read list. He just collect what people think, snap into a read list and call it "ThinkBig's readlist"
This accusation is false and highly offensive.

-Fixed quote.
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #67) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:13 pm

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@gamma - before you hammer, do you have any questions or anything you'd like for me to say?
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #68) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:21 pm

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Final scum reads: Hans, kop, and/or desperado are probably the last of the scum. I will be back around 11 PM EST.

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Post Post #1076 (isolation #69) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:23 pm

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Meh, I'm still learning how to read people and build a case against them. My wagon is almost certainly scum motivated in an easy mislynch.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #70) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:03 am

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Getting ready for Shabbat. It has been a crazy week for me. I had two weddings to attend last week. Next week will be a lot less busy and so I can be more active, especially with the legal holiday on Monday.

UNVOTE:

For now. I'll post a full updated read list when I return.

V/LA until Monday
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Post Post #1143 (isolation #71) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:36 am

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Before I head off for shabbos, here are my reads:

Regfan

Gamma Emerald

Realeo

Alsae

Dunnestral

Superhans
Kop
Desperado

Davesaz



Spoiler: Key

Conftown

Town

LeanTown

NullTown

Null - {N}
NullScum

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Scum

ConfScum


I'll give a full explanation of my reads after shabbos. For now, I believe Gamma's claim and should there be a counterclaim, get a results to night and CC tomorrow. Gamma's result of not a goon on real makes it far more likely that he is town than scum. Gamma/Real=Not a team. Claiming an innocent result on a scum buddy would be far too risky.

I want to go back through dave and desperado's ISO. Their push on me seems opportunistic. I also don't like the way that Desperado has been throwing shades.

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Post Post #1272 (isolation #72) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:51 pm

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^That should be L-1. Please do not hammer until I get back and am able to provide some thoughts before the day ends.
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #73) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:35 pm

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Intent to hammer


Going back through the game and through kop's ISO, he has shown little attempt to solve the game give reads. His parked vote on Gamma, even after Gamma claimed Goon Cop, worries me the most. IIRC, he parked his vote on Gamma on D1 for almost 100 posts until making a naked vote on antihuman after it was clear that AH would be the lynch.
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #74) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:36 pm

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I won't hammer until we get a claim from kop. If kop flips town, I'm thinking either Dave or desperado.
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #75) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:50 pm

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Real is definitely a TR and alisae'a slot is still null. I will reevaluate his slot once the replacement comes in.

Which "dumbtell" post are you referring to? The ones about the traitor?

Also, I know you're still not sure about Gamma. Do you think Kop's parked vote could potentially be a soft CC?
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #76) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:22 pm

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Desperado is still a strong scum read. He's been throwing shades at me nearly all game long and has been tunneling me in a way that is anti-town. I'm phone posting now and will go through all of this after work. I'll also finish going through Alisae and try to get a better read on that slot.

Re: Gamma. I don't think that scum would purposefully out themselves like that to get a CC. I was Gamma's scum buddy in Open 661. I tried to pull that shit off and it didn't work out for us.
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:24 pm

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Re: Dumbtell. I will have to evaluate that when I get back to my laptop. It does make more sense from town POV, though Kop is an experienced player (far more than I am) and it doesn't seem like the kind of slip coming from an experienced player.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #78) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:40 pm

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@regfan:What are your thoughts of the dumbtell?
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #79) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:27 pm

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@Regfan: More likely that he is Mafia as the way that he has been pushing and throwing shades seems to be trying to pull off an easy mislynch. Once I get back to my computer, I'll go through and show this.

That's is exactly my issue with kop, though he was town the last time he played this set up and it scum chose to recruit the traitor. Like I said, this is something I don't expect coming from an experienced player like kop.
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #80) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:05 pm

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@Real
In post 1143, ThinkBig wrote:Before I head off for shabbos, here are my reads:

Regfan

Gamma Emerald

Realeo

Alsae

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Davesaz



Spoiler: Key

Conftown

Town

LeanTown

NullTown

Null - {N}
NullScum

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Scum

ConfScum


I'll give a full explanation of my reads after shabbos. For now, I believe Gamma's claim and should there be a counterclaim, get a results to night and CC tomorrow. Gamma's result of not a goon on real makes it far more likely that he is town than scum. Gamma/Real=Not a team. Claiming an innocent result on a scum buddy would be far too risky.

I want to go back through dave and desperado's ISO. Their push on me seems opportunistic. I also don't like the way that Desperado has been throwing shades.

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Post Post #1313 (isolation #81) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:53 am

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@Kop: Can you claim, please?
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #82) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:03 am

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Sorry didn't realize that you claimed. Who did you RB last night?
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #83) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:03 am

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I relinquish my intent to hammer for now.
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Post Post #1316 (isolation #84) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:04 am

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In post 1311, Kop wrote:I haven't played in this setup before, I have just played with a traitor.
You actually have played this setup before.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #85) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:04 am

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In post 1314, ThinkBig wrote:Who did you RB last night?
Ignore this again. Haven't had my morning coffee yet.
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #86) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:06 am

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Also, he demonstrates a knowledge of what the traitor entails in that game making his dumbtell suspicious.
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #87) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:32 am

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Going back through kop, I have a difficult time believing his roleblocker claim for the following reasons:
  • His dumbtell is demonstrated to be probably false. He has played this set-up before and has clearly demonstrated a knowledge of how the mafia traitor works.
  • I can brush off forgetting about playing this past setup. I cannot, however, look past an experienced player not knowing how a role is supposed to work, especially when you can easily see it in the sample PMs.
  • It's really convenient that the person that he claimed to have RB was the person who was NK'd (and who flipped vanilla town).
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #88) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:46 am

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I remain skeptical of kop's claims for the reasons that I have already mentioned. However, I don't want to lynch a claimed PR just yet. For now:

VOTE: Desperado

I don't like his naked vote on me and really do not like how he has been death tunneling me nearly the entire game. Until he can put forth a clear and conscience case against me, I'm going to leave my vote here.

Once I get back home tonight and am able to get to my computer, I'll type out a more extensive case against desperado.
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #89) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:55 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1351, Desperado wrote:
In post 860, Superhans wrote:, relevant to desperados argument above; TB divorces himself from the AntiHuman wagon even though he had said that he scum read both Dunnstal and AntiHuman.
In post 873, Superhans wrote:@Dunnstral
Why are you so sure TB is Town? I think the logic behind his wagon is convincing.

@Gamma
is redundant. Just under half the playerbase is on you. If you could kill one of the following players who would it be? + Why?
K O P
R E A L O
S U P E R H A N S
D U N N S T R A L
In post 963, Superhans wrote:also it helps rather than hurts to look at players beyond the obvious ThinkBig.
In post 968, Superhans wrote:I agree that ThinkBig is the best lynch candidate and have scum read him since mid D1. However, there are two scum, so we need to grill other people too.
In post 978, Superhans wrote:The TB is likely scum logic
In post 989, Superhans wrote:VOTE: ThinkBig
L1
In post 990, Superhans wrote:
In post 960, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 957, Realeo wrote:GE claimed JOAT so I need to give a second thought
GE claimed Goon Cop, not JOAT. JAOT is a mafia-only role in this set up.

PS: Catching up now.
Where r u man? This was quite a while ago, where r the 'catch up' posts.
In post 1056, Superhans wrote:
In post 1038, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 1025, Superhans wrote:Dunnstral how has ur game play changed since this game?
Shitty meta analysis
It's not meta analysis.

ThinkBig, can you explain your sketchy interactions with AH D1, as articulated by Desperado:
quote="In post 859, Desperado"]
In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown but I wanted people to see the parallel between this and Gamma's wagon.
I've seen few interesting reactions, gonna elaborate tomorrow (this is the part where TB should shout: excuses!).
look at this

TraitorAH is basically begging Think to just let it go.
In post 383, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 381, Superhans wrote:@ThinkBig

Out of 4 players on the Gammagon:

K O P
D E S P E R A D O
R E A L O
T H I N K B I G
S U P E R H A N S

¿Why Did He Go After You?
Not sure TBH. Possibly because I was the one that got the wagon moving. In any case, the wagon and my vote did exactly what I wanted it to do.
In post 382, Antihuman wrote:I do admit my case on TB may have been a bit overblown[/quote

You no say?
I've seen few interesting reactions, gonna elaborate tomorrow (this is the part where TB should shout: excuses!).
Excuses!!
In post 475, ThinkBig wrote:Just re read the last few pages.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I really don't like his defense of antihuman. It reeks the smell of buddying.

I'll provide my full reads and more information on Sunday night after work. Been quite busy with the holiday.
In post 502, ThinkBig wrote:Here are my reads so far:

Algebra
- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.

Alisae
- Strong town lean. I like his analysis so far and he seems to be making a genuine attempt to scum hunt and solve the game.

ssbm_Kyouko
- Null lean.

Davesaz
- Null town.

Kop - Null

Gamma - Null

Superhans - Null

Desperado
- Null scum. I really don't like how he buddied up to Antihuman. His defense screamed that he was buddying him.

Realeao
- Scum lean. I don't like how he constantly asks "why" and asks people to keep explaining things that they already have. He asks those types of questions in a scummy way.

Antihuman
- I really don't like how he has been throwing shades everywhere. His case against me was very bad and felt contrived. I also really don't like how he tried to derail the Gamma wagon. If gamma flips scum, I'm fairly confident he is scum as well.

I think that's everyone. Let me know if I missed someone.
And he does! Even tho he lists AH as his biggest scumread in his next post.

^This is about the point where AH decided to pivot and really buss ThinkBig. Think posts another reads list that AH bashes as well, and he then he starts to link Think and Alisae really hard:
In post 574, Antihuman wrote:Lol this readlist's such bullshit
In post 570, ThinkBig wrote:
Revised Read List


Algebra
- Confirmed town. I so wish he would contribute to the game and be more active. There's no way I'd be TRing him if he wasn't the IC.
<--- Completely unnecessary comment. Trying to appear better by having one extra scumread


Alisae
- By far my biggest town read. He shows genuine interest in the game and shows genuine scum hunting.
<--- because she scumreads me too, how surprising


Superhans
- Town lean. I disagree with his logic, but I understand where he is coming from
<--- aka "I know his reasons for scumreading me are valid but I'll just wait until he gets bored and goes away"


ssbm_Kyouko - Null town.
<--- in your previous readlist, she was a "null lean", which looks like a hilarious slip. You don't wanna look like you have too many nulls but you have no reasons for townreading her.


Davesaz - Null town.
<--- for what? He's defended me and he's voted Desperado for logic which you called flatout wrong!

Kop - Null
<--- what's your opinion on Real's case on Kop?


Gamma - Null
<--- but he's my partner, member?!


Desperado
- Null, leans scum. I don't really buy the traitor theory nor do I buy the logic behind it.
<--- Why the fuck are you scumleaning on him then?! Leaving your options open? You should be scumreading people who started pushing him for wrong reasons instead! (including your strongest tr, Alisae...)


Realeao
- Scum lean. 561 screams opportunistic and sheeping. I also don't like how he is constantly flipping his reads and can't seem to make up his mind.
<--- How the hell is he sheeping when he's provided valid reasons for scumreading you, just like Superhans. How come you don't "disagree with his logic but see where he's coming from" here? Being undecided isn't a scumtell too. You've scumread me for tunnelling, which is a complete opposite! You also haven't addressed his points...


Antihuman
- Continuing to throw shades and continuing
<--- what the hell does that even mean? If scumminess was the color black, there wouldn't even be a shadow visible on you, smh


Honest to god, I wasn't really up to lynching you when I entered the game but now I seriously have reasons to see you hang, there are just too many discrepancies. I also wouldn't be surprised at Tb-Alisae team. Both are pushing me on bullshit reasoning and townread each other based on thin air, looks like a well coordinated last minute mislynch push.
In post 586, Antihuman wrote:zZz just lynch me already, I can't take this united scumfront pounding at my will to do something productive
Finally, this:
In post 627, Antihuman wrote:Yeah it seems like really a great play to get into the game, decide you wanna tunnel your partner for no particular reason instead of choosing a safe target and try to blend in with deadline slowly approaching and risk getting both players lynched as the only viable wagons wtf I'm a much better scum player than that, don't insult me
Looks like frustrated scum reaching for WIFOM.
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In post 1039, ThinkBig wrote:My thoughts:

1) Desperado has been throwing shades at me for nearly the entire game. His "logic" and reasons are almost as bad, if not worse than, antihuman (who flipped traitor).
2) Gamma claimed goon cop. For the record, I see no reason not to believe his claim.
3) Not liking realeo at all. Don't like how he mixed up gamma's claim and turned it into a JOAT (a scum-only role in this set-up).
4) Alisae's reaction test seems contrieved and fake. These types of "reaction tests" I expect to see more from scum than from town.

Final thoughts for now: I think you'll find the last remaining scum between desperado, realeo, and alisae.
Your 3) and 4) are very weak points indeed, and I think it's ridiculous to criticise Desperados logic in 1), when you then suggest that Realos tiny slip, and Alisaes's kinda amusing fake hammer reaction test are scum tells.

What is your opinion on Kop?
In post 1085, Superhans wrote:
In post 1076, ThinkBig wrote:Meh, I'm still learning how to read people and build a case against them. My wagon is almost certainly scum motivated in an easy mislynch.
If you are Town, nothing that you say is remotely helpful in catching the real scum. Scum are on my wagon, 'I find this comment offensive', baseless reads.

Also you still haven't got round to rebutting Desperados case against you by trying to explain your sketchy behaviour D1.
In post 1138, Superhans wrote:
In post 1100, Regfan wrote:
@Gamma
- I would appreciate you unvoting in that case, especially given I just replaced in a few hours ago. Plus we're not lynching TB today, I'll go into that later though.

I think Han's question about Gammas scum meta in shows a town thought process behind it, I also like his posts directed to MariaR in the early game. I think SH's question in is more likely to come from town albeit this is a weak point. I don't necessarily agree with SH's logic in but I can follow the thought process behind it. I think SH's attitude around deadline D1 in ~ comes across as town. The progression behind SHs an is very questionable especially considering his prior stance on the night kills being WIFOM. I like his analysis of Dave in but dislike the TB vote inside . I think him bringing up Dunns prior scum game inside this setup in and asking him to explain how he thinks his play has changed in is a decent town tell but his follow up of "Just fucking with you" is underwhelming. I have a weak town read on him all up but would like to actually see some more content from him today.

@SH - Can you run me through a few things please; 1) What specifically what made you change your stance on AH/TB "Never being scum together" to currently having TB as your current strongest scum read. Please don't refer to Desperados case when answering this, I want your exact thought process because has some real questionable logic involved in it. 2) Can you explain the change from you stating that Ssbms death was WIFOM inside to proceeding to vote Gamma for Ssbm inside since that's a fairly weird flip to make. Would also love any other reads you have at the moment with some reasoning attached.
<- Do you not agree that Desperado is transparent? I guess I have placed a significant level of faith into his argument that ThinkBig is scum (first appearing in ). I'm assuming that you do not think that this theory is likely to be correct, as
a) You haven't Town Read Desperado
b) You don't want to push the Lynch of ThinkBig
From my perspective Desperado's case on ThinkBig is very very convincing.

Previously I had tried to discourage (Realo I think?) from over-reading into the NK, saying it leads to WIFOM brain fuckeroo. However, when voting Gamma, I wasn't saying that I was voting Gamma BECAUSE of the death of SSBM, I was saying that I was continuing her push onto Gamma, not accusing Gamma of NKing her.

The value of Dunnstrals previous game is negligible. I also doubted that her answer was going to be that helpful, as she played as Traitor, so it wouldn't even be directly applicable to this game. Bringing in behavior from previous games would only convulate this game. When I asked her question, I honestly did not care about her play in the previous game. I didn't even bother to check to make sure what she had said was even true. I used the introduction of her previous game as an act of intimidation, and I wanted to see if I could provoke anger out of her.
In post 608, Superhans wrote:I know one thing for sure, that is ThinkBig and Antihuman AREN'T scum together.
ThinkBig and AntiHuman were engaged in a fight to the death. AntiHuman was fighting from the jaws of death under intense pressure. He was pushing ThinkBig very very hard. I doubted that two scum would want to fight so hard, even by bussing standards, since AntiHuman was actually producing some fairly valid scum claims on ThinkBig (undermining his logic).
However,
Looking back on it, you can see that their relationship was more nuanced:
If it was a S v T fight to the death then why did ThinkBig back off halfway through the fight to go after Dunnstral?
In post 1159, Superhans wrote:
In post 1118, Regfan wrote:I don't consider his reads that awkward, I think him believing that there's some buddying going on between scum mates isn't an unreasonable stance to take. His read and reasoning on AH D1 was particularly good and his reassessment of Hans to move him from null->town was certainly good. I think people are blowing his reads list here way out of proportion and ignoring the fact the traitor flip means we absolutely should not be lynching TB today.

I've seen him be mslynched like this far too many times and the reasoning behind it here is particularly weak, like really really weak.
Firstly I'd like to thank you for the amount of good analysis you're making on ThinkBig, however, I would disagree that ThinkBig made good reasoning D1. He created the AH wagon, then jumped ship to attack Dunnstral and refused to say that he still supported the AH wagon.
How would you explain this behaviour? I would ideally want TB to answer these questions but he has been to busy to do so (although he has had time to whip together some basic readlists which is kinda annoying).
In post 1167, Superhans wrote:You haven't properly explained why you find Desperados case appalling.
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #90) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:58 am

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In post 1362, Desperado wrote:Buzzwords!

The analysis is self-evident--there is nothing in Superhans' ISO to support what he's saying right now.
Stop throwing shades. You've been throwing shades at me this entire day and now you're suddenly trying to throw shades at hans.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #91) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:42 pm

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@regfan. Good points. I looked through his ISO and not once did he mention SRing ssbm. He did, however, vote for and SR Gamma. Why would he RB ssbm over Gamma?
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #92) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:47 pm

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In post 1400, Desperado wrote:@ Reg: Dunn might have slipped there
Stop throwing shades
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #93) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:29 pm

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ThingBig, still want you to get around to elaborating on Desperado and Alisea.
Will do that tomorrow. I'm finally off work tomorrow and have nothing going on. For now, it is late and I do have to get up at 5 am for synagogue. Should be back after that.
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Post Post #1419 (isolation #94) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:34 pm

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To do list tomorrow:
  1. Re-read day 1
  2. Updated read list with explanations
  3. Finish going through alisae and desperado
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #95) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:48 am

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Just finished going back through day 1. I did find one post in which Kop SR'd ssbm_Kyouko and mentioned that he would push to lynch either ssbm or superhans.
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #96) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:49 am

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More thoughts from glossing over d1 and d2: Desperado/Superhans are most likely NOT scum together.
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #97) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:13 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 1454, Desperado wrote:
In post 1397, Desperado wrote:@ Reg, the only part I don't agree with is that claiming to roleblock the dead is safe if he's scum.

It isn't weird at all that he isn't suspicious of Gamma's claim, and he voted Gamma because he believed AH to have been diverting pressure off of Gamma after replacing in, not because Gamma pushed AH.

@ Dunn: That would depend on how much power the scum took. You seem to be assuming that they didn't take away; why is that?
In post 1399, Desperado wrote:
In post 1396, ThinkBig wrote:@regfan. Good points. I looked through his ISO and not once did he mention SRing ssbm. He did, however, vote for and SR Gamma. Why would he RB ssbm over Gamma?
In post 212, Kop wrote:
In post 210, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 200, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to lynch Realeo
I want to lynch realeo. He's used doctor and cop emojis already, I think he's trying to setup fakeclaim crumbs and needs rope
In post 211, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:also if maf didn't recruit the traitor he could be making obvious PR crumbs to try to get his team to shoot him and recruit him if he's the traitor

These are baseless accusations. They hold no truth or any argument that can hold any water, using them emojis doesn't exactly have a warrant to lynch him, based on that.

As for your second point, that's wrong. If I'm recalling correctly, if they shoot the traitor, he dies. I once had the traitor role and mafia shot me, and I died. I didn't join them.

I'd choose to push a lynch between you, or Superhans right now.
In post 380, Kop wrote:
In post 352, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?

Desperado, you switched from voting Gamma to voting the player defending Gamma pretty abruptly, can you further explain both of those votes because right now it looks like you're getting onto easy wagons

VOTE: Desperado
In post 364, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Desperado - Yeah, looked like really bad reasoning to me which is why I'm asking him questions. Didn't see anything specific about Thinkbig that would have made AH pick him off the Gamma wagon which makes me think his motivation there was to derail the Gamma wagon, rather than to find scum on it. I guess your vote makes sense, and I was going to vote AH when I read his TB case and looked into the votes on Gamma, but then I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon. Anyways, as I write this post I realize there's better reason to vote for him being scummy than there is to not vote him because his wagon is moving fast.

VOTE: Antihuman
Why does Desperados vote steady your hand because it was naked?

You mentioned before about getting onto easy wagons, haven't you done the same?


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Post Post #1466 (isolation #98) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:43 pm

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Updated read list with explanations. I re-read the the game and a ISO'd several people to really make sure I didn't miss anything. Here's where I am.

Regfan

Gamma Emerald

Realeo

Dunnestral

Dave

Alisae
Kop

Superhans

Desperado


Spoiler: Key

Conftown

Town

LeanTown

NullTown

Null - {N}
NullScum

LeanScum

Scum

ConfScum


Spoiler: Gamma
I really wish Gamma would post more. However, from what I have seen, I am comfortable putting him in my town column. He claimed goon cop and no-one has yet to CC him. I do wish he would be more active.


Spoiler: Dunnestral
I think Dunnestral is town. He comes across as genuinely trying to solve the game. I like how he is not quick to jump on easy wagons. However, his response to my wagon comes across as possible buddying. Gun to my head, I think this slot is town.


Spoiler: Alisae
This slot is still very null to me. Until we get a replacement and a claim, it will remain null.


Spoiler: Dave
Not entirely sure what to think of this slot. Gun to my head, I put him as more likely to be town than scum. I like 1424


Spoiler: Kop
Kop claimed roleblocker and claimed to have roleblocked ssbm. I am still very skeptical of his claim for the reasons I have mentioned and the reasons that regfan has mentioned. However, I do not believe he's the best lynch for the moment. Would scum!Kop have made such an obvious slip or claimed something that could obviously be pointed to as a scummy safe claim? I'm not entirely sold on the case against Kop, but I do wish he would come back and actually contribute to the game.

Just as a side note, during my V/LA and periods of low activity, even I was contributing more to the game than he was! .


Spoiler: Desperado/Superhans
I honestly think the best lynch today is either desperado or superhans. While I do not think they are scum together, I'm confident that there is at least one scum between them. Desperado's case against me was pretty much all shade throwing and trying to somehow connect me to antihuman (which I still do not understand).

Hans, on the other hand, took his arguments and sheeped it and cheerleaded his arguments. I find myself agreeing with Desperado that Hans sudden shift on me did not come from a town mindset. Yet the flip side of that, I really
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #99) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:43 pm

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In post 1464, Superhans wrote:TB you have not explained your interaction with AH D1.
What part of my interactions with AH would you like me to explain?
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #100) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:44 pm

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In post 1465, Dunnstral wrote:
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #101) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:11 pm

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The main reason why I still null read this slot is because of the super faux "reaction test" in 991 and 993. I also think 947 is fake as hell.

I also took a look at Jin, the slot whom alisae replaced, and didn't like his jump on realeo. Jin's shot at realeo came across as very opportunistic.
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #102) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:33 am

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In post 1485, Superhans wrote:ThinkBig you haven't rebutted any accusations that your behaviour with AH D1 was scum theatre. How do you explain your flakiness?
Can you point me to posts that you think were scum theatre? Why do you think the mafia traitor would bus his buddy as hard as he did?

The flakiness is more or less my playstyle, unfortunately. I tend to take a few steps back and re-evaluate the game when I am scum read regardless of alignment. One thing I need to work on in my play is defending myself and also building better cases against people I see as scum.

VOTE: Kop

This is L-1


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Post Post #1487 (isolation #103) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:35 am

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I'd also like to note that even when I was V/LA and flakey, I have still tried to contribute to the game as much as I can.
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #104) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:37 am

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In post 1488, Superhans wrote:Whats your case on Kop?
Did you not see 1466?
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #105) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:29 pm

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In post 1497, nydushermain wrote:I have not followed ANYTHING in this thread so I'm just going to trust your word on it. I'm VT

VOTE: regfan
You do realize that regfan is the innocent child, right?
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #106) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:32 pm

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In post 1501, Regfan wrote:Nydus meet the remaining playerlist, remaining playerlist meet the troll that is Nydus. He's a lyncher with the sole win condition of lynching me; luckily enough I'm a jester with the sole win condition of being lynched.
LOL. This is going into my signature after the game.
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Post Post #1505 (isolation #107) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:35 pm

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In post 1504, nydushermain wrote:For future reference, if I claimed cop with a red check on regfan, would I have gotten instalynched?
As Gamma already claimed goon cop, most likely that or we would have lynched Gamma.
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #108) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:42 pm

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In post 1507, nydushermain wrote:Is the mafia traitor role of any significance?
The mafia traitor knows who their mafia teammates are, but the mafia team does NOT know who the traitor is.
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #109) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:45 pm

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In post 1508, Regfan wrote:If you make a really good case who knows, it's still possible! Maybe the mod fucked up and mistyped who the actual innocent child was in the OP.
Makes perfect sense. I swear I got the IC PM.

I counter claim regfan.


/sarcasm.

On a serious note, I don't think scum would replace in and vote for an IC like nydush did.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #110) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:00 pm

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In post 1516, Regfan wrote:
In post 1510, ThinkBig wrote:On a serious note, I don't think scum would replace in and vote for an IC like nydush did.
Knowing Nydus he would do it regardless of his alignment, his other posts since replacing in do come across as town and I think he did genuinely believe there
had
to be scum between Gamma/Kop which means he doesn't make sense as scum unless he's one of them anyway and with his push on the roleblocker claim being fake already I'd argue he's probably not with Kop. Pretty much my town read on Aliseas been strengthened via Nydus's posts thus far.
Yeah, I think I can probably move his slot from null to probably town. I was honestly waiting for a replacement before I gave my full analysis on his slot.
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Post Post #1538 (isolation #111) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:00 pm

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In post 1534, Regfan wrote:TB you must have had something you read on Alisea town prior Nydus's replace in to have them as null overall; what was it for you?
492 came across as genuine, 496 also came across as a genuine town dumbtell (unlike Kop's).

I also like what I have heard from nydush and believe he is probably town, for the reasons I have mentioned.
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #112) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:01 pm

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At the end of the day, I now think Alisae/Nydun is probably town.
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Post Post #1621 (isolation #113) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:31 am

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Final reads for the day

Town (S->W)
: Realeo, Nydus, (gap) Dunnstrsal, Dave
Null
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Null scum
: Kop
Scum (S->W)
: Desperado, Superhans

Gamma will get resolved tonight. If Gamma is actually the goon cop, then Gamma will be dead tonight. I am confident there is scum inside Superhans/Desperado with Superhans slightly more likely to be scum than Desperado.

I'm fine with ending the day phase. It has been almost 3 days and Kop still hasn't came back and answered our questions and responded to our arguments.
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #114) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:37 am

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In post 1622, Realeo wrote:What is (gap)?
The (gap) is basically to show that one town read is stronger than the other.
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #115) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:58 am

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In post 1632, Realeo wrote:I think Gamma just exit V/LA?
He left V/LA 2 days ago.
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Post Post #1636 (isolation #116) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:04 am

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In post 1635, Realeo wrote:I am shooting you.
RIP me

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Post Post #1643 (isolation #117) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:25 am

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In post 1641, Superhans wrote:Regfan is most likely to be NK target, so I'd like you to give us any 'last words' incase you die.
If Gamma's claim is true, then wouldn't he be the NK target over regfan?
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #118) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:44 pm

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VOTE: Desperado

Can this die now?
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #119) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:54 pm

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In post 1659, Realeo wrote:
@ThinkBig If you are town, thank you for playing along with the gambit
You're welcome :) I love gambits.
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Post Post #1663 (isolation #120) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:06 pm

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Here is where I am at right now:

Town: {Real, nydush}
Lean town: {Dunnestral}
Null: {Dave}
Scum: {Desperado, Superhans}

I am confident that there is a scum between desperado and Hans and would preferably like to lynch one of those today.
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Post Post #1665 (isolation #121) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:47 pm

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In post 1664, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Davesaz
Reason for this vote?
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Post Post #1667 (isolation #122) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:53 pm

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In post 1666, Dunnstral wrote:I think he's mafia
Why do you think he is mafia? Why do you think he is a better lynch than desperado or superhans?
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #123) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:32 pm

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In post 1671, Dunnstral wrote:Can the people who keep mentioning Superhans tell me why?

At the very least, nobody is voting him.
I already explained my thoughts on those to. To reiterate:
I honestly think the best lynch today is either desperado or superhans. While I do not think they are scum together, I'm confident that there is at least one scum between them. Desperado's case against me was pretty much all shade throwing and trying to somehow connect me to antihuman (which I still do not understand).

Hans, on the other hand, took his arguments and sheeped it and cheerleaded his arguments. I find myself agreeing with Desperado that Hans sudden shift on me did not come from a town mindset. Yet the flip side of that, I really really do not like 1357.
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Post Post #1673 (isolation #124) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:34 pm

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UNVOTE: Desperado
VOTE: Superhans

As an ISO read, Hans is worse than desperado
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #125) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:59 am

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In post 1720, Superhans wrote:@ThinkBig
Hit me up with some game threads when you played Town, and some games you played scum.
Scum Games

Micro 672 (Hydra with Pine)
Open 661

These are my only scum games.

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Mini Normal 1862 (one of my better games. Replaced late into the game)

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Post Post #1749 (isolation #126) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:59 am

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In post 1736, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Desperado
This feels very opportunistic. Why did you go from voting Dave to Desperado?
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Post Post #1750 (isolation #127) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:00 am

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In post 1741, Realeo wrote:How do you ISO SuperHans *250*posts in 2 minutes?
Stop throwing shades. It doesn't take that long to skim through an ISO.
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #128) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:18 pm

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In post 1852, davesaz wrote:Hey buddy who I can't talk to in PT because we don't have daytalk!
This is casting shades. I do this in most of my games. It's NAI for me.

See here, here, and here. As a rule, I try to welcome replacements (though I don't always).

Also, with three town PRs, the scum team most likely chose day chat over the other PRs.

OK, back to work. I'll finish responding later.
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #129) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:23 pm

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In post 1858, nydushermain wrote:
In post 1857, davesaz wrote:Actually with both PR flips realeo is no longer technically conf. I have him on the re-read and analyze list.
I've lost a couple games as town by failing to accurately recognize "scum leading town", so I caution against doing solely town reads.
Gamma had a green check on him.
The cop is only a goon cop. He would get a result goon/not a goon. Thus if real were a mafia PR, then he would still come up as not a goon. Regardless, the result gives him a much higher chance of being town than scum. I'm comfortable calling him town.
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #130) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:30 pm

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In post 1867, Desperado wrote:There's only one goon in the game
How do you know this? If the mafia chose day chat, they would both be goons.
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Post Post #2062 (isolation #131) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:24 pm

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Will post when I get home. Just needed to take a day off.
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #132) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:28 pm

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I will. I just needed a little break from the game. I'm probably gonna be lynched anyway.
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #133) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:31 pm

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If we mislynch today, tomorrow is MyLo. There are currently 3 players that are hard tunneling me. Should I self hammer? I don't want to lose in MyLo because people are tunneling me.
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Post Post #2070 (isolation #134) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:54 pm

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UNVOTE: Superhans
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #135) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:38 pm

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Once I get back home from synagogue, I'll update my reads.
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #136) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:39 pm

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Sorry for not posting last night. Didn't get home until 1:30 and had to wake up at 5.
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #137) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:45 pm

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IMO, real is as good as confirmed town to me. I skimmed some of alisae and ny post last night before I went to bed. My TR on that slot has became stronger. I'm also starting to have a scum read on Dunnestral
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #138) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:09 am

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I'm still convinced there is scum between desperado and Hans. Unless this is scum theatre, they are definitely not a team. Posting after work
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #139) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:15 pm

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@ThingBig - If you're town here you're going to need to make this game your top priority right now; there's a decent possibility you're getting lynched here today and if not today tomorrow. So if you're town you need to actually provide content and your thought process to actually show it to us.
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Post Post #2168 (isolation #140) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:17 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2189 (isolation #141) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:02 am

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No. No one should self vote.

Be home in about two hours. Should respond more then
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Post Post #2268 (isolation #142) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:04 pm

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VOTE: Dunnestral

I know I've been putting this game off and I do apologize. I've been extremely busy and notice that my activity in games seems to go down when I'm widely scum read/close to being lynched. It is something I need to work on.

I can definitely see a Desperado/Dunnestral team. I will elaborate this more when I get to my laptop. There are a few posts that feels like he is outright trying to buddy me. He says he has a town read on me, but can never actually explain
why
he town reads me.

I'll be happy lynching either desperado or dunnestral today.
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Post Post #2275 (isolation #143) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:32 pm

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Not once has Dunnestral given reads or explained why he reads people as town or scum.
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Post Post #2278 (isolation #144) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:08 pm

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Why is dunnestral town?
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Post Post #2280 (isolation #145) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:10 pm

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I see you don't want to lynch your scum buddy
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Post Post #2293 (isolation #146) » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:14 pm

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Hope you feel better.
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Post Post #2335 (isolation #147) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:08 am

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VOTE: ThinkBig

I'm ready to move on. Tomorrow is MyLo.
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Post Post #2337 (isolation #148) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:54 am

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5 to lynch. My vote put me at L-1.
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Post Post #2348 (isolation #149) » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:19 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #150) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:43 am

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INTENT TO HAMMER
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Post Post #2445 (isolation #151) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:09 am

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VOTE: Dunnestral

Keep you from waiting.
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Post Post #2568 (isolation #152) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:59 am

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Regfan is still alive??

Will give this a good read after class/work today. Superhans is almost certainly town. I want to re read my interaction with AH to see if anything important comes up. IIRC, he was pushing myself and Alisae (nydush's slot) as a scum team.
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Post Post #2570 (isolation #153) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:09 am

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Sounds good. I'll do so later. Also, I should say this. I tracked superhans last night. He went nowhere which means he has to be town.
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Post Post #2573 (isolation #154) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:16 am

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Night 1 I tracked Alisae - Nowhete
Night 2 - Tracked Dave - also nowhere
Last night I tracked Hans. Also nowhere.

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Post Post #2582 (isolation #155) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:42 am

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VOTE: ThinkBig

I concede the game. Gg. I absolutely hate playing scum and when AH tried to hard bus me, my entire game plans fell apart. I wish we had day chat
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Post Post #2584 (isolation #156) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:43 am

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I killed realeo last night because he was hard tunneling on me this entire game.
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Post Post #2587 (isolation #157) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:44 am

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Haha. Would love some feedback on how to improve my game. I detest playing scum and really hate how the traitor tried hard bussing me so early. Like that was really bad.
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Post Post #2588 (isolation #158) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:45 am

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Real played really well and his reads were spot on. I was hoping to lynch him early on after the fake VI
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Post Post #2600 (isolation #159) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:16 am

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In post 2596, Superhans wrote:Poor TB
Glad u came clean rather than stretch the game out another week
Yeah. I kind of lost interest in this game weeks ago.
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Post Post #2636 (isolation #160) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:09 am

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Good game guys! I hate being scum. I really need day chat if I'm Mafia.
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Post Post #2639 (isolation #161) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:10 am

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@Mod: Feel free to release the mafia thread without any redactions from me.
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Post Post #2640 (isolation #162) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:10 am

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Dunn didn't want it.
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Post Post #2645 (isolation #163) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:12 am

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Yeah. The Kop mislynch was fantastic. I was hoping to use it to help find the traitor
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Post Post #2656 (isolation #164) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:39 am

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Grapes, you were a fantastic mod.
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Post Post #2658 (isolation #165) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:46 am

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I'm surprised dunnestral was lynched before I was.
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