Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

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VOTE: Pine

choochooo

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We could just lynch them today; then we only really have to worry about it once!

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Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.

I never understand stuff like this. If trying too hard is evidently scummy, why would Titus think that it's going to build towncred?

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what's that, girl? jimmy's stuck in a well???

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Desperado if I told you there was a 35% chance on Infinity being scum, would you buy the odds?

Nah don't think so

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Vote: Infinity 324 for Rogue Leader

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Q: Would LUV dumbtell like that as scum?

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This game is

confirmed

singleball with 17 players

@LUV so when PP said those why did you interpret it as an assumption?

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Q: Would LUV dumbtell like that as scum?

Hey Desperado, what's your opinion on it?

I've never played with him so I dont have one. That's why I asked...

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Unvote
Vote: Klingoncelt

I'd been meaning to unvote Pine-a-Tonics

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I'm not really seeing why people are scum reading KL. Entrance was awkward and the over justification for the prod dodge is a bit of a concern but she at least gave some reads. She'll have to explain those when she gets back at least and if there is more than just what has been discussed, she'll have to interact with that as well. I rather wait and see with her.

All of her reads were townreads. Which alignment do you propose is more likely to give out townreads like candy, especially that early, especially when they don't think

literally anything that's been discussed up to that point was alignment indicative?

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Yo, Cakez wagon; you sure we can't do Kling?

I could quote 389-394 but that would seem redundant since it's on the same page and all.

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Unless the hydra runs through the thread screaming "I'm SCUM!!!!" at the top of their lungs, I'll townread them by default.

Seriously guys I'm not lynching anyone else today. Everything Kling says is scum 101.

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Sorry I am a we bit behind here. My pc died.

I would like to see if Heartless/Desperado/Nero can agree on crap because I TR all 3 atm.

I suppose I could vote PP if I had to but I really want Kling dead. Not feeling The Thinker right now and I'm not sure why either of them has that slot as scum, and I don't want to lynch Cakes either.

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Doubt it

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Mainly because you were just fencesitting on her and my "case" (lmao) doesn't have anything to do with lurking

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oh ok

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@ Cakez it's hard to read your ISO because your spoiled quote walls, do you think PP is scum?

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Ah I see that now, didn't read closely enough

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@ Everyone who isn't voting a Rogue Leader at the moment...why?

Particular emphasis on Kling, who has nothing but townreads, including two that already have votes, but isn't voting.

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Hello mastina!

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The game definitely hasn't hit it's stride yet--even normally high-frequency posters like Titus seem like nonentities 20 pages in.

I'm not really buying the Cakez wagon--Aero is RVS, Alban is giving off a lot of scum vibes and his vote was RVS and then it became real, Nero looks town but his vote is fencesitty trash, Uzi said something about rereading old games and this not being TownCakes but then built a case that didn't include a single word about meta, and AJ said Cakez is scum for voting him after only mentioning him once

in the same post that he votes Cakez without ever mentioning him before at all

.

I want Klingoncelt dead.

You've already joined me on Infinity for Rogue Leader.

Think that's about it really.

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@ Mastina I don't buy the Cakez wagon as a righteous town wagon at all and I have no clue how you've arrived at that interpretation.

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What do you dislike about the Cakez push? I think his vote was trash and Titus trying to write him off as bad town is fairly horrible. I think having some slight reservations is not the fencesitting you claim it is as town have no way to know that they are right or wrong until they flip. Also Kling is a day 3 player, leave her alone.

You said more than once that Cakez is really bad as town, I don't consider that slight reservations, I consider that having your cake and eating it too.

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I swear to god that pun wasn't intentional.

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If it had been, I DEFINITELY would have included a CSI Miami cold open.

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Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.

like this is fucking junk but itz Cakez so whats normally derpy and/or scummy is normal for him. :/

I am asking you to differenitate between bad town and scum. If that's full of myself, that's a long game. You've criticized me for not liking everyone who disagrees with me, so I'm asking for where to draw that distinction, and you're claiming I'm full of myself...

no you aren't. You are trying to force your view point that you get unjustifiably wagoned since I guess you have it in your mind that you are super duper town. I don't agree but ok, in the interest of getting scum lynched I am going to agree with the things you say about yourself. I think Cakez is hilariously bad as town and I am fullt aware that I have a hard time telling the difference between bad town and scum. I just think Cakez argument that you were try hard town was bad and I'm ok if that dies.

movie time.

Things to discuss while I'm gone.

Is Cakez bad town or scum?
Does Titus have a crush on me?
Why did Pine vanish?
Will Ari ever post?!?
Why Nero Cain rocks.

and finally

what was the best star wars movie?

??? What am I missing?

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What is your town motivation in trying to make it look like I'm fencesitting on Cakes when I'm obviously not.

I'm not trying to do anything Nero. You are very obviously fencesitting on him.

I think your vote sucks and I want it elsewhere.

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are you being serious right now

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Don't lecture me about not reading the thread properly and they say shit like that

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Do you just ctrl+f for your name and only read what's relevant to you or what? The comment that sparked this conversation was smack dab in the middle of me discussing my thoughts on all five people voting Cakez.

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??????????????????????????????????

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And now we've completed the circle.

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I did use my words Nero. You keep bringing up the possibility of him being bad town because you don't believe in it.

^That's the fencesitting I'm talking about.

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Why can't you just have good judgment all the way around?

wot?

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Who is scum pushing it?

Holy fuck did you not finish the post you read to find that quote too?

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The game definitely hasn't hit it's stride yet--even normally high-frequency posters like Titus seem like nonentities 20 pages in.

I'm not really buying the Cakez wagon--

Aero is RVS, Alban is giving off a lot of scum vibes and his vote was RVS and then it became real, Nero looks town but his vote is fencesitty trash, Uzi said something about rereading old games and this not being TownCakes but then built a case that didn't include a single word about meta, and AJ said Cakez is scum for voting him after only mentioning him once

in the same post that he votes Cakez without ever mentioning him before at all

.

I want Klingoncelt dead.

You've already joined me on Infinity for Rogue Leader.

Think that's about it really.

Here, I've made the words all big so that you can't miss them.

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Yeah I'm sorry I didn't write up a goddamn permission slip to vote Cakez

Um...?

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1) I don't take kindly to strangers throwing shade on me.

2) Go to my profile and read through my ISO.

3) The come back and ask some questions.

4) Then make a case. (Except you won't be able to because I'm Town.)

5) Then try to get everyone to follow you. (And they wont because I'm Town.)

1) ok
2) Nah
3) I actually asked you a direction question but you appear to be catching up in order so let's see what happens there
4)
5)

PEdit: um

right

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Do you even know what the Rogue Leader is?

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As the Star Wars story goes, yes.

I also know what a Mafia game Traitor is. I got $5 that says you're one.

Anniken wanting to join the Dark Side you are.

i don't even

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Let's start with this:

Do you know what the Rogue Leader is

in the context of this game

?

Why am I the traitor and not just scum?

PS this is a game about Rogue One. Darth Vader is already at the peak of his powers.

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You need to be ballsy to claim your post says something completely different than it actually does, yes.

nah

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8 Rogue Leader votes, 1 lynch vote...where's the controversy?

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Not sure where I got 8, but 6 to 1 makes the point just the same.

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Yes it is, look closer.

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ROGUE CREW
The Rogue Crew is a neighborhood of players that is chosen by the Rogue Leader
Rogue Leader is voted by town at each day.
A plurality is needed on Day 1 with a majority needed on following days to replace the leader
The leader picks the crew after lynch before night begins.
The crew can change night to night.
The crew may have various abilities.
The crew is limited to a maximum of thirty percent of ALIVE players.Rogue Crew is a neighborhood of players that is chosen by the Rogue LeaderRogue Leader is voted by town at each day. A plurality is needed on Day 1 with a majority needed on following days to replace the leaderThe leader picks the crew after lynch before night begins.The crew can change night to night.The crew may have various abilities.The crew is limited to a maximum of thirty percent of ALIVE players.

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ROGUE CREW
The Rogue Crew is a neighborhood of players that is chosen by the Rogue Leader
Rogue Leader is voted by town at each day.
A plurality is needed on Day 1 with a majority needed on following days to replace the leader
The leader picks the crew after lynch before night begins.
The crew can change night to night.
The crew may have various abilities.
The crew is limited to a maximum of thirty percent of ALIVE players.Rogue Crew is a neighborhood of players that is chosen by the Rogue LeaderRogue Leader is voted by town at each day. A plurality is needed on Day 1 with a majority needed on following days to replace the leaderThe leader picks the crew after lynch before night begins.The crew can change night to night.The crew may have various abilities.The crew is limited to a maximum of thirty percent of ALIVE players.

Thank you.
I had read it already.
I asked what's their functionality?
Why a rogue crew?
The message says, the crew members may have abilities. Which means they may not too. So what does a night crew do in the night?

oh so you want specifics on something that no one has access to/any information on

got it

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I don't know. My past experiences with AJ have led me to believe he gets scum read for his personality and play style a lot. I liked a few of the things he brought up about SC and the Heartless for Rouge Leader vote is interesting. The latter goes against the grain a bit and I don't think scum would want to take such a risk standing out.

Voting for a townread is risky?

lol

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The popular choices for Rouge Leader have been you and Nero. Voting someone else without an explanation for Rouge Leader like AJ did could lead to unnecessary attention.

I kinda feel like LUV is just making shit up right now

cuz this is bad

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Seemed overly emotional/defensive. It's not an issue that Think hasn't said anything and never was so it looked out of place.

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@ LUV: It's bad because you are suggesting that AJ as scum would feel pressured to go with the crowd on the Rogue Leader vote when that just isn't true. He doesn't even have to think infinity is scum to justify it either, he just needs to be able to defend what he is declaring as his best townread.

^This is not a risky thing to do as scum and suggesting otherwise is...bad.

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@ Piper: Why are you considering moving your vote?

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@ Cakez wagon: who else will you guys lynch? It's stagnating and I don't see anyone trying to push it forward.

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Does it matter? 6 days to deadline. If he's scum and scum are refusing to bus then he isn't going to get lynched today.

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That also assumes everyone on him right now is town, which...

lol

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I'm waiting until I develop a really solid townread. I don't have a super strong one atm.

Doesn't sound like something Cakez would say as scum getting wagoned, especially when he's mentioned other players being universally townread.

wut
To me it looks like he's realized his original vote reasoning sucked and is trying to shore it up. Don't think he'd need to be ballsy to do that as scum.

Yup, that's how I saw it too.

Yeah I don't agree with her Pine scumread and her apparent AJ town read sucks. Her Klingon town read is bad too.
But she's town.

*Nodding*

I'm amazed that everyone hasn't auto-sheeped Mastina.

VOTE: Pine-A-Tonics

This is pretty cruddy, for obvious reasons

Thinker - you asked for a case on infinity. But what do

you think

about him?

He's scumhunting on and off his wagon. Looks like townposting to me.\

Thinker who is scum?

Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.

What?

Thinker's posting continues to underwhelm. That meta defense was awful.
Infinity what makes AJ town? He might be bad but he's bad scum.

Ya, it was.

Unvote
Vote: AJ the Epic

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@ Infinity: Kling's not an option today. Why is AJ null town again?

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Oh, old VC. That works I guess.

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Ya, agreed. I will vote Kling whenever wherever.

It wasn't happening tho

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Hey AJ,

You still aren't scumhunting, I have more than one reason to be voting you, and you didn't "address it" so much as just changed what you said, which isn't quite the same thing.

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The Thinker
Molla
SirCakez
Pine

I can compromise on a Cakes lynch if no one wants to lynch Pine-A-Tonics. Same with Thinker.

Oh you have scumreads now?

Thank God Mastina replaced in....Where would you be without her???

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lol Molla isn't getting lynched today

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you're lynching thinker with me right?

nah

I'm on AJ but I don't mind the Thinker wagon either. Like to see where they go.

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yo Cakez if you have Infinity and Heartless both as town why are you splitting votes

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Nvm, they both have 5. Let me rephrase: Why Heartless over Infinity?

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OK so Cakez wagon sits at 5/6 forever with no counterwagon. Then the AJ wagon peaks at 4, and Thinker quickly hits 5 + mastina and kling who have him on the backburner?

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+ The Thinker wagon was started by Infinity and Heartless, the competing top townreads.

Thinker town, AJ scum, Cakez town, scum switching from Cakez to Thinker. Let's see.

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Vote Count 1.05

Pine [2] The Thinker, Aj the Epic
SirCakez [6] Aeronaut,

alban

, Nero Cain, BBMolla,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Infinity 324
Titus [1] Pine-A-Tonics
PrettyPrincess [2] Heartless, Drunken Piper
Aj The Epic [1] SirCakez
Infinity 324 [1] Titus
Klingoncelt [2] Desperado, PrettyPrincess
Indigo [1] Klingoncelt

Not Voting - [1] Indigo

Rogue Leader Vote:

SirCakez (1): PrettyPrincess
Drunken Piper (1): Heartless
Infinity 324 (4): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, The Thinker
Nero Cain (1): BBmolla

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.
Lil Uzi Vert is V/LA till 13th
The Thinker is V/LA till Monday
AJ The Epic V/LA till 15th
Nero Cain replaces KuroiXHF
Indigo has 24 hours to respond to prod

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 To Lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-01-24 15:26:20)!

Vote Count 1.14

Pine-A-Tonics [2] mastina, Klingoncelt
SirCakez [2] Nero Cain, Aj The Epic
mastina [1] Drunken Piper,
Lil Uzi Vert [1] Pine-A-Tonics
Aj The Epic [4] SirCakez, BBmolla, Titus, Desperado
The Thinker [5] Infinity 324, Heartless, TheWayItEnds,

Nachomamma8

,

Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting - [2] Aeronaut, The Thinker

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 To Lynch.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Desperado (1) Infinity 324,
BBMolla (1): Titus
Infinity 324 (5): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, Heartless, Mastina
Nero Cain (2): BBmolla, Pine-A-Tonics
Heartless (5): Nero Cain, AJ The Epic, The Thinker, Klingoncelt, TheWayItEnds

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-01-24 15:26:20)!

[Desperado]

AJ + {Nacho, Lil Uzi Vert}

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Desp, doing VCA without flips....why? It's setting yourself up for confbias.

Not confbias. I'm not married to the theory I just proposed, I just felt too strongly about it not to say something.

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Desp, can we agree on a rogue leader? Both choices suck

Don't think so then.

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Well this is an unpleasant surprise; what are you scumreading from my slot?

Did you just gloss over everything that I said before that or...?

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It's me, Desperado. Why would you ever scumread me???

Scummy slot, scummy vote.

But I also explicitly said that was just something I'm throwing around. Too many variables.

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I saw it, I don't really care about it.

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@Desp if you are RL who is your crew?

Infinity, Piper, Nero

@ Heartless; you can only pick three others, not five I'm pretty sure.

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Infinity, he's right. You're even calling out now that Mastina as scummy and how you might be playing in to her scum plans.

So what's up with that?

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Pine is the scummiest viable wagon imo, so I voted pine. Thats all there is to it.

Then make another wagon viable. You have town cache and you're just limply voting with a scumread?

What the fuck?

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Like, we really can't lynch Kling between now and Tuesday?

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Kling case - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

AJ - Worst Cakez vote, bad reaction to pressure on the bad vote, sticky vote that's now going nowhere, selfish scumhunting

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I could also vote LUV but I'd rather see AJ and/or Cakez flip before I make a determination on that.

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BBMolla sees it. You see it. Together, we can do something awesome.

No, I don't see it.

You're scummy for suggesting otherwise.

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I probably have more experience with Titus than you do. I know what she's capable of.

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You literally just quoted a reason why Infinity is scum. They've been hyper agreeable all game without actually pushing their own scumreads and awkwardly buddying me.

Thinker was Infinity's wagon.

Whatever you think is being biased by what you perceive his relationship to you as being. Step outside of that.

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@ Pine: I've been giving my input on Kling in real time throughout the game, don't expect me to interact with your ISO reading or whatever. Welcome to the game and all but do what you need to do and then make a decision.

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Titus, your opinion on Kling also appears to be biased by something that not everyone is privy to. She hasn't even been formally prodded and she's posted within the last 24 hours. There's no indication that she's going to be replaced and she has more than enough content to build a read.

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If you can't talk with someone in real time you can't read them?

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Ya, agreed. I will vote Kling whenever wherever.

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Unvote
Vote: Klingon

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Your Pine vote was never that great anyway

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No, it's 3 choices. 30% of alive players means 30% of 16 which rounds to 4.

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Where did the cakez lynch suggest come from? Like you TOWNREAD cakez given your 1027

LOL

this dude is so scummy

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Does it look like I'm advocating for Cakez' lynch?

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Sorry, what was dumb?

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ok

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Yes, I think Desperado could be a Traitor. Like the Role. Unfortunately I can't say why because ongoing.

???

What is this.

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You have a bad feeling about my RL picks when I'm not even close to being voted RL?

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AJ + {Nacho, Lil Uzi Vert}

This might be the worst post of the game.

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No, it's 3 choices. 30% of alive players means 30% of 16 which rounds to 4.

There are 17 players.

.30 x 17 = 5.1

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We already tried that one tho

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TTH is the Thinker...I think

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Ya but AJ said he's gonna sheep Nacho on Ari (who is in The Thinker) and then said Nacho is scumreading Ari and then voted The Thinker so, context clues.

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Unvote
Vote: The Thinker

Really glad I put those thoughts out now; reminder to refer back to those posts if Thinker flips town

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by god it's a miracle

a real, live wagon

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I think if they were going to claim PR, town or scum, they would have done it already.

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He was the evil serial killer.

And we all know you know that SKs play to their town meta, not scum, so...???

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@ Kling: The only thing you've said about Thinker all day is that you could compromise on him.

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@ Kling: Your Rogue Leader wants this lynch too.

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@ Everyone else: Are you

sure

we can't just lynch Kling?

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Vote: Klingoncelt

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I'm not accepting any other lynch today.

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Why's she scum again?

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Hey Titus, your infinity read is straight garbage.

Vote someone else. Preferrably Kling.

Thanks!

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Why? Did you not read the same EoD yesterday?

You mean the one where Kling hammered without a claim?

Ya I saw it. Why are you pussy-footing around with a shitty vanity wagon?

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VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?

Klingon was a compromise if I couldn't get Infinity and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.

It is preplanned...I wanted Kling yesterday and then she hammered without a claim.

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It doesn't matter what you interpret his actions as. I certainly never said that. Their actions said they were too busy to even respond to being at L1 and probably should have replaced out. But they didn't, and Kling hammered them without giving them the full allotment of time, and now we're here.

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No Kling, I was encouraging you to follow through with your own words and compromise on a Thinker lynch by giving intent to hammer so they could claim.

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VOTE: Rogue Leader: Desperado

I would also ask, the same group you keep.
have a feeling it was town(ish), and in scum tried to seep.

My thinking as well, it doesn't make sense for roguesquadscum to start killing in the rogue squad right away. And that includes Pine.

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I don't think Pine is scum

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What I'm getting at, is that the scum broke into the rogue crew (Pine), and then killed someone from it (Nacho).

Why? Nacho wasn't universally townread in the crew either.

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I also don't understand why scum-Pine even uses what is apparently such an obvious scum power.

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why would town Pine use it?

??? Because it's part of his role and he doesn't need to be alive to win the game?

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I don't think it's controversial to suggest that town Pine is more likely to use a scummy seeming power than scum Pine would be.

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i don't even

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no

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PV!!!

Vote: Pine

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What guilty? But Pine playing dead is wtf...

What is wrong with you this game?

ISO Piper and red his posts from today

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@ Infinity: WIFOM doesn't make something NAI. It just makes it more difficult

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Vote: Pine-A-Tonics

[Desperado]

hi molla

why did you even sign up for this game?????

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i don't think you really believe that

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like in this game all you could muster was NK influence

but optimal scum play obviously includes controlling the day phase

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I was gonna vote TWIE regardless.

lol

lost a lot of respect for you bro

[Desperado]

only because the first crew was all town and you telegraphed that by breaking in and then getting guiltied

[Desperado]

beyond expressing my displeasure with your play in postgame?

nothing