In Memory

[drealmerz7]

there's several significant scumpings from vax and that slot for me, actually

don't know why more focus hasn't been there

this game feels...weird, like....we're floating in space

[drealmerz7]

Man if only I had a fruit or vegetable to power me up.

~~Math

there is only fruit

[drealmerz7]

very much a townread actually

[drealmerz7]

How come?

oh ,now, you didn't say if I answered there were going to be follow-ups!!!

do you like raisins?

I have raisins...

they are fruit too

[drealmerz7]

How good is fruit?

~~Math

fruit is good
I love fruit

"vegetables" is a misnomer

there is only fruit

[drealmerz7]

woahshit

townpings for JR

[drealmerz7]

hummmmmmmmmm

does the 3p neighborhood explicitly say it is a 3p neighborhood?

[drealmerz7]

looking back at GE, he does seem to have get a bit mmmm, happy (I can't quite get a good word for his attitude after the reveal, maybe just happy to be a DV), about getting TR for being DV

I mean, I'd be happy too! to be DV and also to get read town for being DV, but, hmmmm

balanced by off-days, it's not so towny-cleary either

but, I do townread him...hmmm...

vax slot is definitely has more scummy

[drealmerz7]

I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative or just indicative that he's not invested in the game.

my feeling was more that he has been sitting back watching things unfold because of the way the game-state is all weird and shit, but, not speaking for him, that's more my read, and to me that is towny

it doesn't feel lurky-scummy it feels observant-towny, with the bits he's inputed, and yeh, a bit of deimos there are townpings (scumpings too, but, that was an odd involvment from that slot...this is a weird game...)

[drealmerz7]

will someone answer the ? about the hood # ?

[drealmerz7]

Where did Drealmerz say they shot Lycanfire?

this is why it is good to read the game

[drealmerz7]

let's make more posts repeating things that have been said

100 pages here we come!!!

[drealmerz7]

perhaps I should have said I drowned them... for accuracy

[drealmerz7]

but really

I didn't even drown him

he just drown

[drealmerz7]

drowned

downed

drowneddowned

[drealmerz7]

drown

[drealmerz7]

does it make a difference at this point the method of deading?

I'm all about not claiming shit, but, I don't think it matters if I give how I did it? does it?

if so I totally should stfu I guess

[drealmerz7]

what can I say

it was a thrill

SO DROWN ME

[drealmerz7]

if it helps,

the drown flavor is all me - sure, it's based on my character, but, that doesn't tell scum shit I don't think

I do flavor in my NA submissions sometimes

it'd be cool if RC used it / sent it to lycan in some capacity, but I have no idea

[drealmerz7]

for all I know my character was lame and used a gun in lycan's flavor

that would be silly though

[drealmerz7]

postie is at the top of the TR pile!

[drealmerz7]

certainly not that I'm aware of

not sure how that'd work even since I reached my target?

[drealmerz7]

Link a game with RC (RC as mod , comod or even reviewer) in next post

this is my only experience with RC and all of those comments spur from what I've gleaned about them from this game (and what has been said by others about other games) - know that I'm a very unconvential mod and I can see a lot of my mod style in RC, so I might be assuming insight into them based on myself as well

IMO the person with the leading wagon should definitely be voting

so scummy not to be!

>.>

what happened to your theory about creature???!! Like you just ignored yourself to follow Jae?

you mean The Sun and Day stuff theory? - It was just a theory that I put out there, we talked about it very briefly, and moved on - I don't really think it is how it is considering how things have gone, if something happens to make me revisit the thoughts, I will definitely

[drealmerz7]

wow, it's nice to have another player in the game

[drealmerz7]

did I say "expect"??? if I said expect that is a bad choice of words

more like "expect it to be possible"

general impression as I said, based on what I gleaned from them in this game alone (word of mouth) - which, again, is likely that I recognize the wild-modding style of RC because I'm kind of that way, and my brain likes to GOOOOOO FARRRRR with game-theory consideration (not to distract, but to try and cover all optiosn because I know myself as a mod love to modwifom and troll my players and apart from that, just love coming up with whacky mechanics)

[drealmerz7]

I haven't thought too much about it because I'm not sure I entirely understand it

my guess is that it means he should be talking right now, but since he is not that maybe "the country" is something else (like another hood?) and he can talk in that only? or maybe he's just pissed he was killed and left? able to talk, but not? I don't really see that from a personality like that though

[drealmerz7]

I like to know what can intefer with that - I can't think of anything not bastard

vanillaizer or similar mechanic

is that considered bastard?

[drealmerz7]

I'd consider it being related to the vig. kill and not a scum kill if the wording were different "if killed by scum at Night" instead of "if killed at Night" - but it's not that and there's nothing special about my kill

[drealmerz7]

I think "the country" is most likley a separate hood

but why aren't we hearing about it now?

[drealmerz7]

does it matter with the scumhunt or is it just a distraction?

[drealmerz7]

the role of the killer?

[drealmerz7]

are you fully caught up?

[drealmerz7]

wait JR summarized anyway

just making sure you know I killed lycan

[drealmerz7]

absolutely nothing, it's a straight kill

[drealmerz7]

that is the question

[drealmerz7]

at the EoD2 he and I were back-and-forthing a bit and I threated to vig-shot him - he threatened the same, I had no qualms killing him after that

after his flip I did expect him to show up and start railing at me (I was his top SR I think?)

when he didn't show up I thought I just misunderstood what the role meant / that he's not talking [/i]here[/i] ?, or he was so mad he left (again, just an option, but not one that I think would be true for how he was playing/how I read his personality)

[drealmerz7]

so scum very well could have figured one of us was telling the truth and done something to one of us to affect the kill?

my brain is brainstorming possibilities (and they go far sometimes - that is actually something I do often, but have yet to establish much of on MS - crazy setup-spec theory I LOOOOOOVE to do)

so,

zefiend didn't talk ALL OF DAY1 due to a mechanic relating to his role

if he is scum, maybe he has a mute-making ability and he used it on lycan (lycan also had made some claims about his role previously that could make scum want to do that) ?

[drealmerz7]

you should rest with a headache though and come back to it later

[drealmerz7]

In Memory

Votecount 1.06:

Shadow_Step (6): The DEO, Creature, Creeps20, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald
Gamma Emerald (2): Clemency, Shadow_Step,
The DEO (1): KuroiXHF
Creature (1): RachMarie
Clemency (0)
ɀefiend (0):
Klingoncelt (0):
Postie (0):
drealmersz7 (0):
RachMarie (0):
Vedith (0):
Deimos27 (0):
LycanFire (0):
Creeps20 (0):
KuroiXHF (0):

Not Voting: Postie, Vedith, ɀefiend, Klingoncelt, Deimos27, LycanFire

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2016-12-18 13:00:00)

[drealmerz7]

@GE - your votes matter today

your voice matters every day

can you participate a bit more? your inputs are largely desired (by me at least)

[drealmerz7]

maybe RC was so impressed by the flavor I submitted for the kill that they used it in-game and removed the ability from lycan (I do not think this at all)

it's just that my flavor was drowning him - he's in the drink and not coming back up!

[drealmerz7]

scum utility makes sense considering they knew one of us was likely to kill the other last Night

[drealmerz7]

DEO you're making it more complicated than it is

some sort of soft-vanillaize or mute-make ability makes the most sense to me

or he's just not talking

I definitely know less about how things generally work though than (MB, FA, smith, at least) - so don't let me stop you all from going over it all for sure, I'm curious and if it helps actually figure things out scum-wise, I'm all for it (unless it starts to get in the way of the scumhunt - which is not even close I think yet)

[drealmerz7]

cool, FA, then keep at it!

DEO - I killed him last night and I already said this - geebus, why do you ask questions that have been answered?? you didn't replace in, you seem to be following along, I don't understand the question other than to antagonize me

[drealmerz7]

can you explain to me why it makes me suspect???!!

I'm starting to get frustrated and that is not good...

OMFG I'm about to vote you DEO

[drealmerz7]

you aren't even making sense to me right now and my blood is beginning to boil

*breathes*

can you please take me through your thought process, I can't even see where you're starting from

what makes me suspect in your mind in the first place?

[drealmerz7]

cause your the only person related to the kill as far as I'm aware.

BUT SO WHAT?!?!?! I KILLED HIM

I really don't get what the problem is

"omg he's dead and drealmer killed him"

YES, yes I DID

SO?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

I even fucking said I was going to

GRAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[drealmerz7]

just take me through it

why can't I be who killed him?

hmmm...I actually never got any PM from RC or anything about the kill...but it was seeming people weren't necessarily getting PMs about things and I didn't think a second time about it

[drealmerz7]

The problem isn't that he is dead. It is that he is superdead. And you don't care to hunt why. Or who scum would have killed or anything like that. You may consider my theory insane and I myself called it tinfoil but you aren't even trying.

~~Math

no, it's not that I don't care to hunt why, it's that that is beyond my game I guess (other than what theories I've already given), please, feel free to try and figure it out if there is something to figure, that is not something I have the ability to do like you are doing, that doesn't mean you should hold it against me that it's not the avenue I'm pursuing

can you tell me what is wrong with the theories I've posed around it?

[drealmerz7]

Speak for yourself. I think Drealmerz is scum who got redirected to kill Lycan twice.

OMFG then have a pre-OMGUS vote

VOTE: The DEO

I think you are just trying to write some narrative around the kill because you KNOW what happened and are trying to implicate me - probably the plan all along since I telegraphed my vig. and you probably figured lycan's claim to be somewhat true and so he wasn't the vig.

I KILLED LYCAN, scum did some shit to me or him to implicate me, and I don't even understand how or what the options really are for any of that so you're just screwing me around because you know more about rolemechanics and interactions than I do

fuckoff with that shit

[drealmerz7]

This can be misleading if you have a scum PT. If you didn't get a PM from RC why wasn't your first thought to ask about feedback?

because I killed him and he died

shocker!

[drealmerz7]

I didn't even consider that maybe I didn't kill him

if I didn't wouldn't THAT have at least generated a PM somehow that my kill failed? I think so

[drealmerz7]

why Drealmerz isn't hunting why his vig did what it did.

I already did all there was to do in regards to this

you want me to fucking spend 5 hours talking about it repeatedly over and over and over until everyone agrees with me like you do?

NO

I presented my thoughts

THAT'S ALL I HAVE

maybe give it some time, allow some OTHER PEOPLE TO PLAY THE GAME and generate content around it and things will change, but, you're just like 'OMG ALL NOW OR BUST!! WHY AREN'T YOU AS OBSESSED AS I AM?!?!"

you're either badtown or scum, and I'm leaning more and more scum

[drealmerz7]

no you wouldn't receive pm if that failed

I want a link to other games you played before - and tell what were you in them exactly (link the ones you were a Power role in)

ok that is good to know

and ugh, that is annoying, I play all my games differently pretty much, would prefer you to just talk to me about whatever is on your mind, but, I can go find a few I guess...

[drealmerz7]

I want to see if he knew mods won't inform of failures regularly or not atm.

oh yeah I have no fucking clue about any of that shit, I come from a different HS where things are different in many regards too

and while I've played some games here, not many with PRs and I don't know at all what is considered "normal" (I've been back and forth with a couple helpful mods to iron out my first normal submission beacuse I wasn't even aware of a lot of things about how this site works)

[drealmerz7]

DEO, you think lycan was vigged and NK'd?

I do. I find it is the most plausible explanation for no scumkill. Except I don't think scum would shoot there.

To me the simplest explanation is Drealmerz is lying.

~~Math

I really have a hard time following this - I can't see what you're thinking

you say "no scumkill" but then, by your logic, isn't lycan the scumkill and I'm lying about my vig timing?

what is my lie? ugh this is realllly frusrtating

MB, check yourself if you're town, I think you just get lost on crazy theories to explain things

to me this just feels like scum pushing an agenda hardcore though

[drealmerz7]

omg you're either super-bad town or scum holyfuck it hurts

@ the DEO

[drealmerz7]

on it FA

[drealmerz7]

okay, shit, there's a fucking start to me understanding what the fuck you're saying

you're saying I performed 2 NKs - because I'm a scum vig.? I scum-vigged lycan (during the Day is your thought?) and then killed someone else at Night, was redirected by lycan onto himself? *phew* is that right? (no sarcasm / attitude here, I just am checking it)

[drealmerz7]

take me step by step through what lycan would have had to do with his redirect, please

[drealmerz7]

NY 198: Nexus is Now a New Normal Mafia - I am

IC

- and I breadcrumb/soft claim it in my FIRST POST

Curse of Strahd - I am a

Ranger

- 1xBP tracker w/ Night-message ability and special Day-Mission ability - I played fucking horribly that game and even missed submitting the N1 track - unless you really need to that is not a good game of mine to read, lots of toxic and bad play

Ttyll - I am

Anarchists 1-Shot Strongman Neighbor

- I ripped it up as scum in that game, imo, and had a stellar fake-claim to boot, never even used the strongman or performed a NK in that game myself

that is literally IT of my completed games where I was a PR

if you want to count

Trial of the Evoker - I was

Sun-Touched

and it gave me special-day abilities IF I GOT SPELLS - but the mechanics in that game had the "spells" pass back and forth from player to player, I only acquired one once the entire game and it was a loved spell that I had and got lynched with even - I was essentially vanilla that game, imo

[drealmerz7]

you replaced out of that Evoker game in a hydra slot right? I remember now pretty sure

[drealmerz7]

Yes I was banned

ohshit I had no idea

[drealmerz7]

______initiate backtrack_______ (that's The DEO doing that)

[drealmerz7]

DEO is pissed scumteam leader who has ZERO NIGHTKILLS come D3

[drealmerz7]

trying to implicate me with shenanigans around lycan and it backfired

[drealmerz7]

if scum have Day-Kill where is D1 kill?

[drealmerz7]

if someone was vanalized would you say they turned vanilla upon flip or not?

I would flip them with their original role PM.[/quote]
I think this explains it

[drealmerz7]

grrr tag

[drealmerz7]

DEO is pissed scumteam leader who has ZERO NIGHTKILLS come D3

....Yes and I call a player a stalker to achieve my wincon. /sarcasm

I am not scum and would not do that.

~~Math

I'm honestly not so sure

[drealmerz7]

was MB scum in your game?

[drealmerz7]

woto?

[drealmerz7]

I don't know you, you have to permit the possibility that I can see that potential in a scum-player and not hold it against me personally. I don't know if you would do that or not, and this is a game of lies and manipulation, I can't JUST BELIEVE YOU, especially when much else indicates otherwise. ESPECIALLY since you're a fucking hyrda.

[drealmerz7]

you have to distinguish between:

me thinking you ARE doing that

and me thinking IT IS POSSIBLE you are doing that

and with me not knowing, that potential in you as a player is something I have to take into consideration

(^^ just so am clear ^^)

[drealmerz7]

to me, if it doesn't break site-wide or game-rules

it's in play, and then after the game, it gets left there

it's alllll fair game

[drealmerz7]

as scum, "pants" is a GREAT excuse to fucking hard-tunnel and NEVER let go and then excuse yourself for the ML

that doesn't break ANY rules and IS scum-tactics as I see it

[drealmerz7]

initially, I thought it was all very genuine

NOW, not thinking that AT ALL

[drealmerz7]

and here comes the other to play goodcop or whatever and try and pacify the situation since it didn't go the way the planned

"we are not voting you today" - what sort of phrasing is that other than arrogant? - does that mean you don't think I'm scum or that you have to wait to push me on a different day, or what? and so what?!?!

I'm voting you

[drealmerz7]

I hate hydras!!!!

it's like "hey! I get to try these tactics and then get a pass for them if they don't go how I wanted cause all it takes is the other "head" to come in and say "nahhhh that's not what I think"

wtf, and you don't want to play future games with me?! I don't want to play future games with hydras who are allowed to get away with this shit

what I say in that Ttyll game is true, I prefer no-signing and 1 slot 1 read and any contradictions MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO PASS

it's like free shit for scum when they draw it

GAH

[drealmerz7]

well have a scumread for your scumread

ohwait, you already have a SR from me

[drealmerz7]

(

my

game is all nothing...ohmy...kuroi...you funny)

[drealmerz7]

I didn't say your read on me had being of mine on you

[drealmerz7]

nope, not at all, you're just making shit up

[drealmerz7]

it's The DEO doing it on purpose - going so far as to be like "well maybe it's a not-bastard bastard game"

???

love to hear your case on gamma sooner rather than later

[drealmerz7]

ok I killed lycan with my vig shot

I have never had a vig shot before and wasn't sure about outing it, especially since I was wrong with it

This came out of nowhere.

huh

no, it came out of a couple comments about the lycan kill and I was worried everyone was going to get too confused and postie I think made a comment calling out what really happened (something like "maybe it was a vig kill?") and at that point I HOPED it was best to come out with it and used my judgement to do so

as things have gone I'm not sure if it was best to tell or not, honestly

FA, that rage is genuine

and yes, sometimes the wind is all it takes for a voteswitch when reads are soft and floating in a non-solid state

I'm not one to switch my vote around much - the vote-hopping from lycan to boring happens during holiday time of tedious NO PROGRESS to the gamestate when the EoD was extended I don't even know how long

and I was comfortable with both lynches and just wanted one to go through already, the delay was ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

it's pretty anti-town and annoying actually, FA

[drealmerz7]

It makes the thread harder for everyone to read is all

not a huge complaint, obviously, but there is something to it

phoneposting is not really great for mafia, imo

I do appreciate all that you are bringing to the game, absolutely, of course, I do think I said as much from the getgo!

[drealmerz7]

no time to get quotes atm, heading to work in a few

a lot of Vax's posts seem "try-hard", to summarize where most of the pings originate

[drealmerz7]

but it's been nothing horribly glaring

and he was town in Ttyll and I saw the same sort of "issues" with him, so

*shrug*

I need more SRs

kuroi, deo...?

gamma is starting to look good I guess

smith read will grow

[drealmerz7]

FA, talk to me about vote balance

you're hated, GE has odd-day DV, postie has no-vote

can you ALL be town? is there a way to balance that with the numbers in the game (and known mechanics so far I guess) that makes one more likely scum than others? or, yeah, talk to me about those?

[drealmerz7]

and he was town in Ttyll and I saw the same sort of "issues" with him, so

Oh yeah, in that game I seem to recall you being scum

yes? I'm just saying I see your play being quite similar here to there, some perspectives that just don't add up and seem like you're trying too hard to see something that isn't there, and you were town, sooo, the pings are minimal here because of the experience from Ttyll, if that makes it clearer

[drealmerz7]

What are the claims so far
I'm missing so much

OOO OOOO I HAVE ONE!!!

I KILLED LYCANFIRE

ko work time

[drealmerz7]

Jae has a townread on Kuroi - talk about that

I don't know how anyone is TRing kuroi, JR has a lot of townpings but then a few meaningful scumpings
kuroi is all scum at this point to me

[drealmerz7]

so many players expressed townread on deo talk about that

why the repeat on asking me about other people's reads? this seems weird to me a bit

"other people are TRing DEO, yay for them" ??? - not sure what you're looking for and I already felt weird about the jae/kuroi question from you so I'ma just stop

if you want to know about people's reads ona slot, ask them

[drealmerz7]

what about gamma started to look good and when? what about him was bad?

looking like a good possibility for scum, is what I meant

[drealmerz7]

Your tunnels and slip huntings suck math!

[drealmerz7]

[quote="In post 2718, Frozen Angel]I was asking your reads on their reads. whats so complicated about that?[/quote]
well first you asked me specifically about JR's read on kuroi - any specific reason for being so specific about those 2 in that direction (nothing about kuroi's read on JR, just JR's on kuroi)

and then

so many players

expressed townread on deo talk about that

you want me to go through and find what every slot thinks about The DEO and share what I think about what they think? "so many players" - is just too general and seems a weird question, so I asked you about it

I am a pretty vocal player and do tend to share what I have to share when I think it is good to share it IF I think it is good to share it - I don't mind answering questions either, but not if I think it is loaded (well, sometimes I'll answer loaded questions with awareness and see where it goes)

generally, right now, I'll agree with those who are suspect of the slot and suppose I can ask those who have no suspicion on that slot to tell me why not? - it seems to me they're really trying hard to skew the view / push suspicion on me in regards to the lycan kill and whatever happened rather than actually trying find the truth, and then had to backtrack once that agenda failed

[drealmerz7]

so essentially because I'm not fully decided one way or the other, I'm scum? - nope, I just don't know, it's okay to not know

and no, it absolutely was a loaded question from you

AND you just made a comment about making pre-flip associative reads, and that is ALL you're doing yourself

[drealmerz7]

I'm scum because my read on someone else's scum read and that person's townread aligns this way or whatever the fuck you're doing?

convoluted messssssssssss

[drealmerz7]

Its about the fact your not trying to sort them not that you didn't sort them yest

It wasn't a loaded question , It was a general question lol as I said I wanted to see your awareness and consistency - it failed with your wishy washy crap

and what I'm doing here has no relation to any other slots in game! Your scum because you are scum deary

and no your not scum cause my townread on DEO thats not even remotely close to what I said

I absolutely am trying to sort everyone.

you're not my master, just because you say "do now" doesn't mean I'm going to

this is how you scumhunt?! "he didn't share his thoughts when I told him to he's scum!" /!??!

[drealmerz7]

woahwoahwoah

where did I hide behind other's thoughts?

you mean when you setup convoluted questions for me and tried to express what I thought OTHER PEOPLE THINK, IN A GENERAL WAY?!?

or did I miss something?

[drealmerz7]

you : "share other people's thoughts" - me: huh? (but I tried)

you: "how dare you share other people's thoughts as if they're you're own!"

THAT is scummy, FA

VOTE: Frozen Angel

[drealmerz7]

it's a fucking general weak-ass response to a general weak-ass question!!!

[drealmerz7]

it was INTENTIONALLY WEAK-ASS

rhetoric to illustrate the point

[drealmerz7]

I asked you to tell your read on other people thoughts not what you interpreted from those!

OMFG

well then, their thoughts are their own

and I'm glad they're having neuron/synapse activity in their brains

it makes me happy

I really don't know what you're getting at other than just trying to be difficult

as I said, when I have opinions I want to share, I'll share them

you digging at nothing is going to net you nothing and you giving me shit that "omg I am digging and you're not giving me anything you must be scum" is scumtastic

[drealmerz7]

it was INTENTIONALLY WEAK-ASS

rhetoric to illustrate the point

no It wasn't rehotric at all

what gave you that impression?

WHAT I SAID WAS RHETORIC

[drealmerz7]

so when you have no opinions about something you won't

yes?

your fake witch-hunt just became obvious

this is one of the scummiest things I've seen in mafia!!!

"if you drown you're a witch!" or whateverthefuck

[drealmerz7]

why you want to say something rehotric?

fucking seriously>? done with you scum, I just disengage when scum-tactics become this obvious

others can vote with me or not, I'll be watching

it was INTENTIONALLY WEAK-ASS

rhetoric to illustrate the point

[drealmerz7]

and why you can't illustrate the point like a human being?

what other animal uses rhetoric to illustrate points????

you are so scum, you just made you exposed yourself

it happens when people come at me pretty often though

[drealmerz7]

mad*

[drealmerz7]

done with you, scum

good luck trying to re-engage me

[drealmerz7]

ugh...why...am...I...re-...engaging...likely...bad...but...but...

But you illustrated no point

yes, I did, just because you didn't see/understand it (not that you tried), doesn't mean it didn't happen

And I'm actually not? Rc sent me a town role though.

wow, never heard that one before

I'm convinced

*sarcasm*

[drealmerz7]

Does this mean you weren't super confident on me being scum in trials?

?
first of all, quit equating YOU to the HYDRA that was you+Impoetic - I already told you: as that game was going I didn't have any awareness to what/when was you posting, and so my brain did not make any connections

YOU are not in my brain with having played with before aside from the newb game I flaked on. The brain is making absolutely no comparisons to you and batoru - it's not entering my mind for a second, ever, until you bring it up

this is a scumping for me, that you keep wanting to have me compare your games when there is ability for comparison in my view

[drealmerz7]

idrk how drealmerz7 plays scum.

say more smart things!

hehe, but yeah, I seriously try to tell people to try and HELP them read me, drawing comparisons is just going to get you into trouble

I switch up my game so "how drealmer plays scum" isn't a thing, ever - I play it exactly how I play town, and that means each game is unique in that there is no "way" either way

fuck, even the games I have played here that have me being different aren't even that dissimilar when taken into account how I play in my entirety overall - you have not yet begun to see drealmer play, is all I can say

once stress recedes a bit (omg can it recede a bit already please?) and my load is easier to bear, I will have energy to bring on my game at fully capacity, and then...LOOK OUT (for fuN!)

[drealmerz7]

Have you considered Drealmerz being an SK? His behavior isn't protown.

so I should have not claimed the shot then? it was anti-town for me to come out and try to not have ppls be confused?

I'm not saying I cleared much up, obviously we still don't know wtf, but I have already been having second, third, fourth thoughts about sharing being right move and trying not to kick myself and then you say shit like this "not being pro-town" and...I GET FUCKING PISSED. It's hard to stay confident that I did the right thing in light of all the shit it has caused, but I still think it was the right thing SO FUCK YOU.

... I'm frustrated...

this is why I think you're scum

you are on an agenda to have ppl scumread me and get me lynched, you do not sound willing to consider what I say is truth AT ALL, you're just trying to find a way to get me scumread

and now it's come around that FA is too

scums afraid of the vig, eh? you fucking should be

[drealmerz7]

my read is now The DEO realizes they're likely to get killed (a glorious drowning again perhaps?), and now FA realizes they have to draw my ire because The DEO is a strong PR than FA and they don't want to lose it

so I will likely be shooting The DEO if we don't lynch them

[drealmerz7]

3.) No, I'm not asking you to compare right now. I want an answer to my question. [Does this mean you weren't super confident on me being scum in trials?]

2.) You seemed confident on BATORU being scum that game. Were you not?

1.) And no, that wasn't a hydra in the end. It was only me because Impoetic flaked on me like start of D3.

1.) even so, my brain does not have the associatives in place and so I can't make associatives between your performance here and that one - it's two different entities in my brain and the way I process will keep them that way, I exprienced it a certain way and I can't re-wire that

2.) I seemed confident in it? can you quote anywhere to show me where you thought I was confident? I had a tenuous SR on Batoru most of the game - the pings were always evident since the beginning but it was never anything hard enough for me to push you as my top SR and there were plenty of townpings to go with, I certainly didn't focus on you as much as I should have and to me that indicates less confidence - once it came to end-game and I knew it was 2/3 of batoru, pk, and BTD6, well, I still voted BTD6 over you and was wrong, even when I became more confident in the end that I was wrong on him and that it was you + pk, it wasn't enough to switch the push, and wouldn't call it "confident", just relative confidence.

3.) interesting switch from super-confiden to confident when you re-ask the question, have I answered sufficiently for you? if you do provide a link to the perceived confidence, I can likely elaborate what I was thinking at the specific time of purporting said seeming confidence (do note that I also often seem more confident than I actually am, it's called arguing techniques I learned in speech 101 in college I think? maybe it was a more advanced course in philosphy? I don't remember!)

[drealmerz7]

you don't get to decide fuck all about anything I do with my role

don't even begin to go there

I am not from MS

I will NOT be directed

if you want to lynch me for playing my role HOW IT SHOULD BE PLAYED AND ACTUALLY SERVES TOWN

then you are going to get a fucking lecture on how to play mafia

you want that right now or you want to take a vote?

[drealmerz7]

if the role was "accumulate popular opinion and use your vig. shot lalalal" THAT WOULD BE THE FUCKING ROLE

it's not

do NOT GET ME STARTED OMFG

[drealmerz7]

I'll gladly listen to input

[drealmerz7]

postie, just worry about what happens when it happens, K?

I hear you

[drealmerz7]

JR, to me, games are different beasts - yes, I might have fundamental ways about what I think about the game and how it is best played, but that is a very small base from which I launch. I don't go into a game with a method of much of anything, I use intuition and insight and find whatever works best for each beast.

Some games are fucking dragons and to take them on I gotta be an equal beast in how I "go at" it. Other games are sick bunnies and I kind of don't know what to do with them and just kind of poke around at them a bit uncomfortably - many games you don't even know the beast for a while, and then it shifts on you as the game goes, and must be treated accordingly

it's all circumstantial, so you trying to get a read on me based on comparing how approach things is not really serving, imo

now, now that I've established that, I'm willing to allow you to discover that for yourself, and will try and best answer whatever questions you have about this/game that game and how I was there and all that (again, not great to use YOU as a reference point since it's not associated in my head) but the game and myself are great things to use/talk about if you want to try and understand ME more and get a read that way

[drealmerz7]

I'm seeing the same vax in this game that I saw in Ttyll, I think that is just his level of play and it makes me uncomfortable to vote him for it unless something more glaring appears

zefiend I don't really know what to make of kind of just seems like a bad/desperate player at this point, I can't see scum in much of what he's doing, it reads scummy vendetta of somesort or MAYBE it is scum afraid of that slots supposed skills? but then why go at them, I figure he'd stay away if that were the case? it's a weird read

and with DEO and FA going at me for the contrived shits they have come up with (the deo more than anything) - I'm comfortable scum-reading them for the reasons I've given already - tell me why my view on that is wrong? (mostly that the DEO is desperate to have me seen as scum and is trying to find any avenue to allow that to happen)

[drealmerz7]

that is not what it read to me at all
I don't think he's as noob as he appears at all

ugh to arguments that say "look at the ISO"

point me to aquote and make your case please

[drealmerz7]

that can be faked so easily and they don't really sound that genuine

which is mostly what I remember about that slot, that it sounded like he was trying to fakenoob it

[drealmerz7]

he went to lurkworld hardcore and we just lost sight of him and things have been so focused elsewhere he's been forgotten, until FA came around, which seemed to be a great boon at first, but, now I'm definitely not feeling that and just getting scumpings a good deal

[drealmerz7]

similar lack of passion and interest that is mostly hard to read that would have needed a growing exposure to grow the read better

also still relatively new to the game but way more of a grasp to it than what postie is giving him credit for

[drealmerz7]

I really don't see newbscum making the "if I see anything fishy about this I am off" comment. It implies suspicion with the kind of subtlety I wouldn't expect newbscum to have mastered, especially given how awkward the rest of his posting is.

that is not any sort of "mastery" AT ALL as I see it
that's like, basic scum101 positioning

[drealmerz7]

done really poorly, that actually really reads noobscum more than anything

thanks for pointing it out!

[drealmerz7]

DUDEsmith

I am not clicking any of those - if you have something to say, say it, please

if something is not necessarily AI then it is simply up to us to determine which alignment the player is in THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE and not use how they were about it in another game, but simply go by how it seems to you in THIS game

[drealmerz7]

perhaps the fact that he barely said shit and when he did it was fishy as fuck and ppl scumread him and so he stfu and maybe replaced out because he felt like an obvious scumfuck?

[drealmerz7]

"woah I suck as scum gotta check out of this seemingly awesome game so I don't destroy my scumteam - let someone better take over"

and he checked the fuck out

first lurked as much as possible and then realized he needed to GTFO

[drealmerz7]

in comes FA to save the day! yayas

[drealmerz7]

btw, RC
updatesyourshits

[drealmerz7]

perhaps the fact that he barely said shit and when he did it was fishy as fuck and ppl scumread him and so he stfu and maybe replaced out because he felt like an obvious scumfuck?

did he have reason to feel that way? I mean he's not being wagoned rn. Actually...

I think he got several "that was scummy posts" when he posted? it's not about the wagon right now at all, now you are reframing the issue and that pings me

[drealmerz7]

I'm not exactly sure what the issue is even, except you take issue with my current SR on FA and are trying to tie to back to a lack of a SR on creeps 57 years ago? or something?

[drealmerz7]

"woah I suck as scum gotta check out of this seemingly awesome game so I don't destroy my scumteam - let someone better take over"

and he checked the fuck out

first lurked as much as possible and then realized he needed to GTFO

oh and that's a pathetic way for justifying your omgus ...

Total crap

faulty

and pathetic

100% pathetic

I didn't even read ANY of your other shit
but I saw this: who said anything about these comments justifying my OMGUS? THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE, I was talking about stuff about a read that happened AGES ago
my vote on YOU is because YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWING YOURSELF TO BE A SCUMFUCK over and over and over and over

this is agreat example!!!

[drealmerz7]

oh, the rage is real...

I just woke up and I've got alot of stuff to do (day off work) and starting off in a frustration like this is not good for me so I'm going to try and come back and deal with you when I'm in better headspace and less likely to go off on you

part of what you're feeling from me is likely my hesitance to engage simply out of fear of making things toxic

I just had a game (the strahd game) where I'm feeling very similar here to how I did there as far as someone making shit-cases (as I see it) as to "why I'm scum", and I didn't handle it there correctly at all and it was not cool (and the person I was going up against was scum, just as I *knew* it but had no ability to prove correctly because of how much how they were doing pissed me off) -

my main goal is to not let that happen, if I'm hurting things because of that because I'm not answering things or engaging as I should be, I'm sorry, but I do not want to make this game toxic and so I'm trying to navigate it better than I did strahd and for me for now that means not engaging you much because it is just making me angry

I will try later

but if the rage starts to surface I am simply going to have to stop

if you read strahd you can probably better understand how I'm feeling but, it's embarassing to me that I was that way too and would prefer no one to read it

[drealmerz7]

now, now that I've established that, I'm willing to allow you to discover that for yourself, and will try and best answer whatever questions you have about this/game that game and how I was there and all that (again, not great to use YOU as a reference point since it's not associated in my head) but the game and myself are great things to use/talk about if you want to try and understand ME more and get a read that way

I was using your scumread on my slot & the way you interacted with me because that was the main thing that I had focused on and could remember clearly enough to say the way you're reacting to FA with your scumread here is really different. Hence why I asked how certain you were in that game that I was scum (or my slot, if you'd prefer) so that I could sort whether I am indeed seeing weird behaviour from the way you're interacting with your scumread or whether it's just a difference in the level of confidence in the read.

I mean it doesn't do me much good to talk with you about how you play the game rather than just do my own evaluating of your play. If I'm wrong then it's something that becomes a null tell for next time (or if I get the right read for the wrong reason this time then I'll learn it's a null tell later when you do the same with a different alignment). It's not like I'm going to judge you solely off one thing you do that pings me as different from another game, anyway.

cool, yeah, my read on FA here is nothing like the read I had on batoru in trials - the read I have on FA is like the read I had on shaziro in strahd

[drealmerz7]

perhaps energy for this tomorrow

FA, The DEO, if town, are at least trying to figure shit out even if I think they're doing a horrible job at it. If scum, it will become more apparent and I want to cool off from all that a bit more still before judging them so hard.

I think kuroi is likely scum at this point so I'ma vote there:

VOTE: kuroi

[drealmerz7]

rereading but if anyone has questions in the meantime then @ me

Are you scum? Because you sound like scum.

you didn't @ him

[drealmerz7]

postie, and others, tell me more about smith as you can

he and I are in a hood together and I've been generating bits of reads as I can frmo there, but do want more from him so I can grow the read better, he has expressed a few times being busy and not fully "with the game" and I believe it - hence my patience with him and general TR on him based on things there as he's not been utterly silent either by any means

bit more active just recently too which has been very nice

[drealmerz7]

I just asked him about outting our hood and he said it was fine so I did, btw

I'd initially been weirded out quite a bit in the hood because it was just deimos and I and he was not saying hardly anything

I've also had thoughts that perhaps there is another party who hasn't said any words in the hood, but that was earlier before I knew there were other hoods and was finding it odd that there was a 2p hood at all - but still don't discount the possibility that someone has been silent the hwole time, simply because of there being no list about who is in the hood

which is why I asked about the other hoods

[drealmerz7]

and he's always town when he obvtowns?

[drealmerz7]

that definitely doesn't give me good feels :\

[drealmerz7]

I'd at least like him to get fully with it and make more comprehensive comments before jumping down his throat

[drealmerz7]

forgot KC was in the game almost
blergh

[drealmerz7]

I'll trust about the slip or whatever, for now...

UNVOTE: kuroi

[drealmerz7]

I really think vax is town - the Ttyll game I was in with him he played the exact same way and it's not a meta-read it's just a "that's him making crap cases as town" - I suppose I should go find some links from that game of posts he made similar to posts here and how scummybadtown they are

[drealmerz7]

I really think vax is town - the Ttyll game I was in with him he played the exact same way and it's not a meta-read it's just a "that's him making crap cases as town" - I suppose I should go find some links from that game of posts he made similar to posts here and how scummybadtown they are

What's stopping him from playing the same way as scum?

well it doesn't seem plausible to me - you have to have an awareness to do this and if as town he's only a mediocre player he's not even going to recognize how or have the ability to replicate that mediocrity of his town game as scum

[drealmerz7]

I wouldn't think

"oh yeah as town I make cases that are weak based on far-fetched things because I like to seem like I know what I'm doing and really figured something deep out and so I have to pretend to do that as scum"

no, if you have that awareness, your town game improves, I think?

[drealmerz7]

the point to me is that it was brought into the game as content and so is in the game as content and while what zefiend is doing might be shady as fuck, it's still totally within the realm of play and therefore are pro-town things to consider, just because you know MB wouldn't do that doesn't make it unreasonable for him to question that aspect of it all, at least to an extent

I didn't want to get into it at the time, but to me, it was a perfectly normal use of "pants" and it seemed VERY over-reactive to get like MB did about it, and it definitely crossed my mind more than once that they could have been using the opportunity to try and get a lynch - so it doesn't matter how many times someone tells me "mb would never do that", a smart player doesn't just say "oh ok" and forget about it

now, zefiend is probably going too far with the DEO push, but, I'm not fully opposed to that slots lynch at this point either, and not sure why people are SO SURE they're town

let's assume The DEO IS scum for a minute: the thing with lycan happens as it does - what do you think MB does IF THEY STILL GENUINELY THINK THEY COULD BE BEING STALKED? do they just ignore it, not make it an issue - and so them making it an issue makes them town? I don't quite follow it all

[drealmerz7]

and I'm not really trying to side with zefiend, I just think it doesn't make so much sense for scum to be doing what he's doing

seems like towny who genuinely thinks bad of MB and, well, as wrong as that is, it doesn't make him scum

[drealmerz7]

what if MB is 3p scum or is GS and thought lycan could be 3p scum?

[drealmerz7]

The DEO, rather

[drealmerz7]

unless that is JR scumslipping that he knows there isn't any 3p scum...

[drealmerz7]

GS

What's GS?

groupscum

[drealmerz7]

What do you think of my troll vote on FA?

not serious enough!

[drealmerz7]

nahnnahh I don't mean to be arguing that

I'm just saying, those points are missing from your post

[drealmerz7]

mmmmm but it's not a matter of that, it's a matter of adding 2 more that kind of make your point invalid

[drealmerz7]

omg I hate hydras "we can think whatever want and not be held accountable"

VOTE: the DEO

[drealmerz7]

I would guess it means titus is probably pretty upset with you and wants you to take over being the main voice of the hydra.

but I don't know

maybe I'm just being paranoid, but, when you make posts like 2954 it seems to me like you're trying to get everyone to wipe the slate clean on you and, ugh, NO ONE gets that, it puts me off really hard

I don't know what partners you'd have, maybe you're not actually in a hood with GE or whoever and it's just scumchat?

is it just paranoia??! the D1 SS/KTS mislynch and how after that happened I felt totally used to by you, even if it passed quickly? then the thoughts of you busing RM/boring, because you saw how horrible their play was from the beginning and knew you had no choice

what I do know is that if you're hyrda-ing like this you need to figure out reads that you CAN agree on and share those only until the rest works itself out, because you're doing nothing to help anything with your dual-head stances

[drealmerz7]

we can't even criticize your slot without parsing which head we're criticizing

IT'S FUCKED

[drealmerz7]

it's a matter of what you make visible to the rest of us is my issue

do that in your PT, not out in the thread

save what you put in the thread for what you agree on

[drealmerz7]

save what you put in the thread for what you agree on

This means that less people are going to be pressured and scumhunted. It's less than ideal.

BUT IF IT'S SCUM IT GETS TWICE THE FUCKERY, THAT'S LESS THAN IDEAL OMG

[drealmerz7]

I have a problem with hydras period. I don't think they're good for the game.

[drealmerz7]

I already did that a bit - what it means for the game if you're scum

I went through the D1 and D2 lynches and said about the hood maybe being scumchat

what else are you looking for?

[drealmerz7]

@drealmerz So you believe that Gamma Emerald would be their partner and they bussed RM/boring?

I only believe it is POSSIBLE

scumreads in this game are WEAK AS SHIT

[drealmerz7]

quit misrepping me, I am not scumreading you because you're a hydra

[drealmerz7]

titus: "I'm bullying him and he's not responding how I want!"

[drealmerz7]

keep trying

[drealmerz7]

realize I have shared thoughts on FA recently and you look foolish

[drealmerz7]

titus: "I'm bullying him and he's not responding how I want!"

Number one: I am a them. The slot is a them. Please do not use He.

Number two: I am giving you a platform to make a "The DEO" is scum case. How am I bullying you for displaying what I think? I don't see you analyzing your thoughts or trying to solve the game. I am asking you to prove me wrong by making a case.

~~Math

number one: learn to read

when someone uses "titus:" it means they're BEING THAT PERSON

I was quoting titus talking to me

[drealmerz7]

person a: I ahve things to say

person b: I have things to say too

person a: this is how we depict in text who is speak, I, person a is speaking

person b: and now I, person b, am speaking

[drealmerz7]

I'm the he...

[drealmerz7]

and I think that slot is looking for ANY REASON to take issue with me so I'm on edge about it

in the same post they even who awareness about the pronoun he being me because of the bully reference

sooooo

I think I'm being cool and patient with dissonance that I'd prefer to be tearing apart (and if I were scum probably would be)

[drealmerz7]

titus/MB, part of playing mafia is letting things play

if I have a case on you I want to push, you'll fucking know it, right? you don't have to keep asking "what's your case what's your case?!?!"

it's annoying

if you can't follow why I think you're scum you need to get more with it

[drealmerz7]

don't condescend me

I know how the fuck to play mafia

jsut because I'm not doing it AT YOUR DEMAND, doesn't mean you can talk down to me

go the fuck away

[drealmerz7]

you have a serious issue with people SRing you, eh ?

does anyone know if that is AI for either of them?

[drealmerz7]

FUCK OFF WITH THAT SCUMSHIT

"if you can't do it I will scumread you for it" THAT IS FUCKING SCUM RIGHT THERE

I CAN FUCKING DO IT, I'M JUST NOT DOING IT AT YOUR DEMAND, GET IT!?!?!??!?!?!

I've DONE it, fuck!!!!

if you can't follow, that is YOUR PROBLEM

[drealmerz7]

that's not what I've done, DEO

way to misrep

[drealmerz7]

I'm not spamming you're scum every 3 posts

QUIT FUCKING MISREPPING ME, SCUM

[drealmerz7]

and that's not condescension, JR?

that shit does NOT make me want to engage them

"I know better and I'm going to teach you a lesson" it's fucking arrogant bullshit that I don't need

[drealmerz7]

and so they are going to whine endlessly until they understand?

they don't know patience? just DEMAND IT NOW AND IF YOU DON'T GIVE IT I'M SCUMREADING YOU

that's SCUMMY

[drealmerz7]

Is it possible that this just stems from smith and drealmerz being in a hood together and therefore communicating there?

and you were able to deduce that yourself without needing it explained to you point by point, why can't TWO HEADS WHO SEEM SORT OF SMART AT LEAST FIGURE IT OUT BETWEEN THEM????

[drealmerz7]

answer, they can, they're just looking for ways to scum-paint

[drealmerz7]

I get misunderstood all of the time too

ALL OF THE TIME

and I try really hard to be understood and go over things over and over

and then I'm misunderstood, and I get frustrated, and then someone says to me "why didn't you try harder to be understood"

AND IT MAKES ME GO FUCKING INSANE

[drealmerz7]

because the whole tiem I feel like they're doing everything they can to make it DIFFICULT

[drealmerz7]

thanks JR, I just did a quick breathing exercise

The DEO, do you follow my suspicion on you after the D1 flip?

[drealmerz7]

do you remember D1 when I was put off on you calling us thread-masons? there are things through the whole game that have me having a legit. SR on you

[drealmerz7]

do you understand how it is fishy to me that I couldn't get an answer about the hood chat and if it had a list of hood members in the 1st post? thinking it could be scumchat, maybe you didn't want to answer because you weren't sure if scumchat was the same as hoodchat with and didn't want to slip

there are SO many things

[drealmerz7]

thanks JR, I just did a quick breathing exercise

The DEO, do you follow my suspicion on you after the D1 flip?

I do not. The only thing I see you saying is because SS flipped Town we are scum. I do not see how a suspicion follows from that. It feels like you are saying we are scum because we were incorrect. Which no one has a perfect game almost ever. Unless you are Transcend. Then you just vig every scum.

~~Math

omg NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

go read my (I think first) post of D2 - where I vote you

[drealmerz7]

noooo, I was genuinely SRing SS!! paranoia set in and I felt like it was possible I was allowed to spearhead the push and kind of the frontman for it, set to take the fall was my fear - BECAUSE : the SS wagon had fizzled and I reinvigorated it, and when I did that, The DEO was back on board all about it, POSSIBLY like they'd decided it wasn't happening and so gave up on it (whereas if it were a real scumread they'd stick with it is the supposition here) and instead switched to focus on RM at the time, but once it was back as the lead wagon on D1, they were happy to pause their RM push and go back to SS and support that lynch. I can see POTENTIAL scumdoings in all of that.

[drealmerz7]

yes, TRing you at the EoD1 because I thought we were seeing the same thing and working well together to lynch scum in SS/KTS - it felt good - and then the flip came

my scumread of you came and went quickly AT THE TIME, but it's still something I can reference back to to having scumpings from you

it's like you're saying that because I didn't establish my SR on you as early as possible that it's invalid now, that's crazy

[drealmerz7]

and yeah, this game is whacked, I don't stand firmly much of anywhere

I think JR is pretty damn towny but I STILL have a couple glaring "hmmms" from him where I wouldn't be surprised if he's scum

CREATURE, HELLOOOO CREATURE?!?! not good feels there at all, but, I couldn't lynch that slot today!

kuroi is probably my biggest SR, but I'm getting told NONONO and I want to trust that

zefiend stinks but I have a hard time seeing the scum-motivation for what he's done

[drealmerz7]

I am saying that I don't see where you went from top town to topscum and which posts made you think that.

I don't see hunting.

~~Math

OMG YOU CAN'T SEE MY BRAIN PATHWAYS GO FUCKING FIGURE?!?!?!?!

WOW

[drealmerz7]

I just tried explaining it to you

wtf

[drealmerz7]

so give me a better SR and make the case!! I'm listening!

[drealmerz7]

you can't SR me because my reads aren't super solid

NOT IN THIS GAME IN THIS GAMESTATE!!!