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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:31 am

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I'm one with the Force.
The Force is with me.

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Post Post #38 (isolation #1) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:24 pm

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VOTE: prettyprincess
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Post Post #82 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:33 am

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go on...
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Post Post #92 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:04 pm

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In post 86, SirCakez wrote:
In post 82, Heartless wrote:go on...
Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.

Hope you get better soon Aero
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Post Post #93 (isolation #4) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:13 pm

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what are the spirits telling you about pine or prettyprincess?
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Post Post #95 (isolation #5) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:51 pm

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Post Post #109 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:57 pm

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rogue leader vote: drunken piper
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Post Post #110 (isolation #7) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:00 pm

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In post 96, Desperado wrote:what's that, girl? jimmy's stuck in a well???
no, cakez's spirits were just brain-meltingly boring
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Post Post #115 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:13 pm

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In post 112, SirCakez wrote:I assume it's 13 v 4 like Firebringer's last 17 player large theme.

In other news I reconnected with the spirits and they've tentatively told me that the Piper and Princess are town and that alban is scummy (i;e I reread the game to answer Heartless's question and noticed that alban was sort of dodging the Titus issue on page 2 which doesn't look good).
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Post Post #116 (isolation #9) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:31 pm

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In post 113, Pine wrote:Well, 13 v 4 also had a number of quirks. First, it was a very low-power scumteam. We had a 1-shot strongman, plus a group power we could activate to get one of three 1-shots, though that also gave Town a 1-shot. Plus, one of our team was a Lover with Town, which is a negative utility role. So I don't know; I could buy a 14:3 from Firebringer in a power-heavy game, he likes his scumteams relatively weak.

what you're describing is not "weak," it's balanced

you just speak of it as "weak" because mods here put their scumteams on steroids so everyone thinks it's normal
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Post Post #118 (isolation #10) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:54 pm

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the ratios or the reads?
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Post Post #121 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:29 pm

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the saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaass
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Post Post #123 (isolation #12) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:48 pm

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we're on there twice, n00b

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Post Post #144 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:26 am

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alban, which alignment do you prefer to play?

I'm on the same wavelength with Antihero regarding the vote.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:13 pm

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In post 145, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 144, Heartless wrote:I'm on the same wavelength with Antihero regarding the vote.
Just saying, this shit is going to get confusing if you don't sign your posts.
yeaaaaaaaaaaaah, not sure about tth but i'm not going to sign

quick guide to distinguishing between us:
[no caps, drunk posting, weird typography] ---> me (antihero)
[gumball gifs, standard caps, non-fucked grammar, anything resembling good reads] ---> tth
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Post Post #224 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:16 pm

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ari's hydra getting prodded does not bode well
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Post Post #227 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:20 pm

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In post 159, Aristophanes wrote:I just got a prod. Thought Think was taking care of this for now. I'll do stuff this evening.

- Ari
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Post Post #228 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:26 pm

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In post 198, SirCakez wrote:What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?
to get townread. because we're in a real game where everyone actually cares about their images (regardless of what they say) and not in an md thread where "lolz townies shouldn't care"
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Post Post #243 (isolation #18) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:47 pm

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infinity do you have a recent scumgame? i need some toilet reading.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:18 pm

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In post 262, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 224, Heartless wrote:mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ari's hydra getting prodded does not bode well
Wanna find out if this is his scum game once he and TB come back from v/LA?
won't be that hard

who's PP?
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Post Post #268 (isolation #20) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:29 pm

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oh... ok

now that we're on the subject of princess, do you have a read on him?
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Post Post #270 (isolation #21) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:55 pm

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In post 269, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't really like the assumptions he made about the setup.
???

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Post Post #292 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:24 pm

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In post 279, SirCakez wrote:
In post 265, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 264, SirCakez wrote:Someone hasn't posted while on V/LA? Must be scum...
Wasn't what I was implying...

Ari tends to lurk as scum and I was suggesting to PP if they would like to see if this is him pulling that once him and TB come back.
Not you, Heartless's

LUV is pinging me
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i only saw the v/la post after i flipped the page from fire's prod post.

ari still has a reputation for being a lurksack as scum so i don't know why you would go out of your way to give me shit for that.
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Post Post #293 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:27 pm

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In post 289, PrettyPrincess wrote:Shh let him weave
so...

is your point that LUV's scummy or what? i kinda' lost the train of thought here. who's weaving?
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Post Post #335 (isolation #24) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:47 am

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Since only a smattering of this playerlist has played with this hydra, I'll go ahead and sign my posts.
In post 147, Titus wrote:
In post 144, Heartless wrote:alban, which alignment do you prefer to play?

I'm on the same wavelength with Antihero regarding the vote.
Which votes?
I was talking about the PrettyPrincess vote, although Anti's Rogue Leader vote is acceptable.

Princess' posting still just doesn't sit right with me. A couple people mentioned his discussion of the Rogue Leader as a reason for townreading him but that's actually creeping me out. He made a show of mentioning it in his first post () but never revisits the topic and it's certainly not for a lack of things happening on that front. Several people voted other candidates for Rogue Leader and Infinity emerged as a clear front runner. In fact, the person Princess is voting for Rogue Leader (Cakez) is under moderate suspicion and has a few votes but Princess apparently didn't see fit to weigh in on that or anything else related to the Rogue Leader election. He never really gave a shit about the Rogue Leader in the first place. That and a couple other things give me the feeling Princess is more concerned with trying to look cute than figure things out.

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Post Post #336 (isolation #25) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:04 am

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In post 279, SirCakez wrote:
In post 265, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 264, SirCakez wrote:Someone hasn't posted while on V/LA? Must be scum...
Wasn't what I was implying...

Ari tends to lurk as scum and I was suggesting to PP if they would like to see if this is him pulling that once him and TB come back.
Not you, Heartless's

LUV is pinging me
Hi Cakey! ^_^

Anti told me to talk to you because he thought you were being horsey with him. I'm having a little trouble getting a bead on you since we're really out of step in terms of reads. It mildly troubles me that we've both expressed an opinion in direct opposition to yours ( and , regarding Princess) but you apparently don't want an explanation from either of us. I know you're not a random person who's never played with us so that makes me think you're avoiding us.

Can you be any more descriptive in your Princess townread or your LUV scumread? Please?

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Post Post #337 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:10 am

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In post 294, PrettyPrincess wrote:Very clearly talking about Desp
That's cute. It also doesn't make the post Anti was asking about any less cryptic. Do you think Desperado is scummy and what do you mean by "weaving"?

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Post Post #338 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:20 am

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In post 295, Klingoncelt wrote:I always Townread TTH.
I remember you from Gistou but not from anything else. :S

Up to that point I'd only made two posts: and . Were you townreading either of those? I'm a little lost on the nature of this read, mostly the described history of "always townreading" me.

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Post Post #437 (isolation #28) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:56 pm

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gin and tonic, do you have any finished scum games?
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Post Post #439 (isolation #29) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:42 pm

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In post 339, SirCakez wrote:Princess's complete lack of game awareness with their vote on me for Rogue Leader is odd but I want to say it's derptown, as I think scum wouldn't want to stick out so much with trying to put someone being wagoned in a power position
given that PP's rogue vote preceded you catching shit, this point is pretty fucked
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Post Post #441 (isolation #30) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:03 pm

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rogue leader: infinity


summary of about where i am rn
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[Infinity 324, Nero Cain, BBMolla]
[Drunken Piper, Lil uzi vert, Desperado, Alban, AJ]
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[The Thinker]
[Pretty Princess]
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Post Post #445 (isolation #31) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:36 pm

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well his title is "couplet typer" so i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this is a posting gimmick
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Post Post #448 (isolation #32) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:54 pm

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In post 442, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Not really liking LUV
sentence or two on this, plz
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Post Post #453 (isolation #33) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:07 pm

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gin, who were you in hunger games? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69088

i gather from the post game you were scum but you're not listed in the op and you don't have any posts from your main in the actual game
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Post Post #454 (isolation #34) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:17 pm

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nix that, i see you were blawb
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Post Post #487 (isolation #35) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:48 am

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In post 483, Desperado wrote:Not feeling The Thinker right now and I'm not sure why either of them has that slot as scum,
ari's been around on site but he's not posting here
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Post Post #489 (isolation #36) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:15 am

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In post 441, Heartless wrote:summary of about where i am rn
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[Infinity 324, Nero Cain, BBMolla]
[Drunken Piper, Lil uzi vert, Desperado, Alban, AJ]
null line ---> [^SirCakez^, Titus, Indigo, Aeronaut, Klingoncelt, Pine-A-Tonics]
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[The Thinker]
[Pretty Princess]
----
This is very close to my reads. The only changes I would make is that I would move Pine-A-Tonics up to the Infinity tier and LUV down to the Thinker tier.

For the person who asked, I mildly townread Alban's reaction to Cakez's initial attack ("I'm going to kick your ass") in combination with his stated preference he liked playing town. It came off to me as less of an attempted discredit, which is what I think scum would be going for, and more of a "don't ruin this for me, I got the alignment I like."

A couple recent posts of LUV are pretty bothersome. The first one:
In post 310, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah after a review of his ISO and just from rereading old games I don't think this is town!SC.

VOTE: SirCakez
He implied there was some sort of meta dimension to this newfound Cake read. But when prompted, his reasons don't make any reference to previous games or how this more fits in Cake's scum play (). This makes me think he really didn't do the meta study post 310 implied and he just cobbled together some reasons from the early game when Pine-A-Tonics asked more details about it.

Another post that gets me is .
In post 312, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not really seeing why people are scum reading KL. Entrance was awkward and the over justification for the prod dodge is a bit of a concern but she at least gave some reads. She'll have to explain those when she gets back at least and if there is more than just what has been discussed, she'll have to interact with that as well. I rather wait and see with her.
What is the purpose of this defense and why are scumreads on Klingon particularly problematic? He says he doesn't "see why people are scum reading KL" and then proceeds in the next sentence to list obvious and valid reasons why people would scumread her. So he's acknowledging the reasons why people might find her scummy. But then he doesn't give any good reasons why she's more likely to be town, just citing that she "gave some reads" apparently oblivious to the fact that scum give fake reads and that's
precisely
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Post Post #491 (isolation #37) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:27 am

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In post 490, SirCakez wrote:Except they didn't move the vote after the wagon started, that's the key point there.
you mean the rvs votes?
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Post Post #496 (isolation #38) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:42 am

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In post 492, SirCakez wrote:Wut?
I mean they didn't move the Rogue Leader vote they had on me even after I started getting seriously wagoned. Like it's still there now.
this is something courageous and risky?

bad point is still bad
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Post Post #501 (isolation #39) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:33 pm

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In post 498, SirCakez wrote:Yeah, she was getting shit for it wasn't she?
pretty sure tth was the only one that said anything
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Post Post #503 (isolation #40) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:44 pm

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Am I being rude or offensive?
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Post Post #541 (isolation #41) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:15 pm

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/burp

hey mastin im kind of sick and i might puke on you
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Post Post #544 (isolation #42) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:18 pm

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could you do me a solid and go over cakez?
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Post Post #546 (isolation #43) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:18 pm

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^this was @mastin^
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Post Post #547 (isolation #44) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:18 pm

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god fucking damn it fire you FUCKING RUIN EVERYTHING

~Your face.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:24 am

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In post 580, mastina wrote:
In post 544, Heartless wrote:could you do me a solid and go over cakez?
Given that, one, there is a wagon on SirCakez, and two, SirCakez is not my current vote?

...No. I'll give you something on someone who is scum and won't be lynched without me giving you said something, but if they're just gonna get lynched without me needing to, I'm not gonna spend my time there. It's a waste of effort.
uhhhh...

ok how about pine
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Post Post #622 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:29 am

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In post 617, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 582, mastina wrote:
In post 549, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why do you have Aero and Indigo so high?
Because they're town, yo.
Help me see what you're seeing.
when you have a second could you plz say a word or two about what tth said in , particularly about the klingon post
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Post Post #623 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:30 am

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klingon is moving to the north side of null
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Post Post #624 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:32 am

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In post 562, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:So continues the hilariously long history of Mastina being completely unable to read me correct. At least she's Town this game.

Pine
is this a meta read or was it a carry over from princess or...... what?
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Post Post #629 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:32 am

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i didn't ask about her methodology for reading you. i asked about your methodology for reading her.

unless the implication is that she can only fake a correct read on you immediately. is that it?
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Post Post #659 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:47 am

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In post 636, mastina wrote:
In post 621, Heartless wrote: ok how about pine
Let me simplify: iso them.

...Do you see any actual
good
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not really, which is why they're relatively low on my readslist. pine himself is kind of sleazy and nothing of gin's really popped as town for me, which is troubling considering the volume he has so far.
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Post Post #661 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:54 am

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yeah i think i was wrong about princess

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #662 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:57 am

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In post 639, SirCakez wrote:
In post 627, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 377, Aj The Epic wrote:In his own post, he had other places that he looked like he wanted to go and settled with me
But is it really.
Yep, I'm not sure what this quote is supposed to show

I sometimes wonder if Mastina just RNGs her reads and then tries to explain them. That would be funny.
are you taking issue with any reads other than her scumread on you?
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Post Post #663 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:06 am

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In post 150, The Thinker wrote:
TB and Aristophanes are both V/LA until Monday.
it is now monday

i'm getting psyched for this catchup. hopes are sky high
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Post Post #669 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:46 am

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In post 666, The Thinker wrote:I bet we've gotten at least 3 votes for "lurking"

Amirite?
nope, you actually have none

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Post Post #670 (isolation #55) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:47 am

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In post 668, The Thinker wrote:First off,
UNVOTE:

Obviously RVS. Not worth keeping.

Secondly, what had Infinity done to deserve Rogue Leader?
Why should we trust him?
if you're not townreading him by the time you've finished catching up that can be a topic for discussion
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Post Post #680 (isolation #56) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:08 pm

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same here, unless we secretly have two rogue leader votes
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Post Post #686 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:33 pm

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bummer
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Post Post #687 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:35 pm

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is infinity really self-voting?
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Post Post #689 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:36 pm

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In post 429, Infinity 324 wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: klingon
GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER FIRE
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Post Post #698 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:31 pm

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ok

so why aren't you pushing someone else for rogue leader?
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Post Post #714 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:45 pm

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In post 710, BBmolla wrote:
In post 676, Firebringer wrote:Infinity 324 (6): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, The Thinker, Heartless, Mastina
this list of players hardly inspires my confidence.

2 of the players on this list aren't voting for scum. Out of 3 players not voting total.

seems a bit odd dontcha think
i'm not voting b/c i need to sync w/ tth before we revote

[blahblahblah hydra dissonance blahblahblah you're making excuses blahblahblah see, this is the problem with hydras, get off my lawn blahblahblah blahblahbklha;lkdsflk;asjd f;lkdsjfwa turd sandwich pbbbbbbbbbbbbttttttttt bpbpptpbtpbpptbtppt ]
/flails fists in uncontrollable, pants-soiling fury

there, i just made the horrible post that somebody's inevitably going to make. now we have that out of the way.
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Post Post #715 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:48 pm

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do you have a problem with infinity himself?
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Post Post #716 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:53 pm

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because, if not, your argument of "i don't like this entire pool of people" is probably going to get repeated over and over and over ad nauseum because when you have a sample size large enough there's a good chance you'll hit a point where you won't like a person or two in the mix

^this is why ongoing wagon analysis is mostly for the fucking birds btw^
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Post Post #729 (isolation #64) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:56 pm

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In post 721, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I wasn't defending KL nor did I say the scum reads on her are problematic. I was just stating how I felt about her prod dodge post and how I will be approaching her this game.
ok

the "i'm not seeing why people are scumreading kl" is a smidge overstated for this stated purpose. i mean... you can personally not scumread her while being sympathetic to the ppl who are.

but that could be an artifact of your writing style

not sure will think on it
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Post Post #730 (isolation #65) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:59 pm

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In post 728, alban wrote:Thank you.
I had read it already.
I asked what's their functionality?
Why a rogue crew?
The message says, the crew members may have abilities. Which means they may not too. So what does a night crew do in the night?
take it at face value:

they're a neighborhood, picked by the rogue leader. they could pick up powers from being in said neighborhood.

i think you're overthinking this. or you didn't see the movie and there's a disconnect between the flavor and mechanics.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #66) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:28 pm

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well ari i'd love to stay up to hear the rest but i just sharted myself so now i need to go wash my pants

seeya tomorrow
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Post Post #780 (isolation #67) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:56 am

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infinity if you were rogue leader would you put pine on the rogue team?
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Post Post #783 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:57 am

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why would u put a scumread in there?
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Post Post #785 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:14 am

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being on the team could give powers though

shouldn't you be shooting for all town rogue team?
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Post Post #789 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:23 am

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oHDhhhdbdjehidilsx i'm stupid
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Post Post #790 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:24 am

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i was under the impression special character abilities were triggered by being on the rogue team
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Post Post #791 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:29 am

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In post 1, Firebringer wrote:The crew may have various abilities.
@mod would these abilities be individual or shared?


not sure if he'll answer but worth a shot

~I can't answer this.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:19 pm

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VOTE: thinkbig
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Post Post #819 (isolation #74) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:20 pm

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VOTE: the thinker

think big, the thinker, thinkythinkthinkthink

whatever
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Post Post #821 (isolation #75) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:34 pm

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In post 759, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 749, Klingoncelt wrote:I'm amazed that everyone hasn't auto-sheeped Mastina.

VOTE: Pine-A-Tonics
There is a possibility that this is a bus but generally I rather not sheep scum.

I'm not sure what her lack of Cakez vote, while still calling him scum, means. On one hand, he's scum and Mastina doesn't want to bus him yet but then the possibility exists that he's just a mislynch and Mastina is calling him scum to give herself the flexibility to hop on him later on. I'd like for the none Cakez voters (mainly Piper, Pine, Titus and Heartless) to talk to me about him.

errrrghghghghghgh cakezcakezcakez

what about him?
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Post Post #822 (isolation #76) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:44 pm

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i mean....

nothing he's said so far has rung that town bell which is why he was in the null tier but i have a gut town read on him that doesn't have a rational basis
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Post Post #875 (isolation #77) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:33 am

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In post 844, The Thinker wrote:Heartless, why are you being so mean
because i'm...






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Post Post #876 (isolation #78) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:36 am

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In post 859, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Ari, stop working against yourself. Just analyze the game and give us your opinions. Whether you are town or not will come solely off of being able to tell what your true intentions are.

We don't need you to figure out who you are, that's our job, now you do the same and try to figure out everyone else, ya feel me?

/Gin
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Post Post #878 (isolation #79) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:49 am

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i dunno

it just comes off to me as psuedo "helpful"
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Post Post #879 (isolation #80) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:50 am

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and that's not the first one either
In post 331, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:About the Rogue Leader thing, I think it's a disservice to vote yourself as captain. The way it's set up, it's like we can vote to lynch someone and that's who we think is scummy, as for voting for rogue leader, it's like voting for who your strongest town read is.

Basically, if you're town, then people will see that and you'll be elected and it seriously discredits a whole other dimension to the game that can be analyzed if you vote yourself.

/Gin
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Post Post #889 (isolation #81) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:17 am

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In post 880, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 878, Heartless wrote:i dunno

it just comes off to me as psuedo "helpful"
What did you think about my post right after basically saying the same thing?
what about it?

oh... is this the sordid double standards game?

the difference is that yours has a lot more of a "this is what it is" tone as opposed to gin's which had a little more of a cloying tint (subtle) and i didn't read you two the same way before reading those two posts (prejudicial bias. yeah i know, i'm such a dipshit.)
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Post Post #890 (isolation #82) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:18 am

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In post 884, Titus wrote:
In post 853, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Town is fucked the day Ari decides to actually post as scum. Therefore, no meta defense saying "I don't do this as scum," IMO is ever valid. It's great to start looking into suspicions but to base a complete read on it, is highly fallible.

/Gin
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[pedantry] your SK meta is going to more closely resemble your town meta than your scum meta. [/pedantry]
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Post Post #913 (isolation #83) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:57 am

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In post 894, The Thinker wrote:What about part 2 of the post though?
In post 844, The Thinker wrote:And why the vote? What makes us scum??
- Ari
because in time that you ARE here you're doing all of jack shit

doesn't help that your other head is awol
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Post Post #942 (isolation #84) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:50 pm

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In post 936, Nachomamma8 wrote:
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Post Post #943 (isolation #85) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:57 pm

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whoevers not doing so needs to pick one of infinity, nc, or us for rogue leader
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Post Post #968 (isolation #86) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:05 pm

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In post 967, Titus wrote:
In post 949, mastina wrote:Infinity
Drunken Piper
Nacho
Aeronaut
AJ the Epic
TWIE

Heartless
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Titus
Klingoncelt

Nero
LUV

The Thinker
Molla
SirCakez
Pine

Thereabouts. Molla, SirCakez, and TheThinker are all pretty equal; LUV and Nero keep trading places; the lines in the town list are a bit arbitrary and I could place dividers between Drunken Piper-Nacho, Nacho-Aeronaut, Aeronaut-AJ, Heartless-Desperado, Desperado-Titus, and Titus-Klingoncelt; I cold remove the divider between Heartless and TWIE; I could keep the dividers exactly as they are and switch around almost any of the names in most sections; it's a really, really loose approximation.
Why is Aero so high and Heartless so low?
because of jk9++

that's why
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Post Post #969 (isolation #87) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:14 pm

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either that or she's oblivious to the fact that i'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar past my prime

doubt that though
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Post Post #989 (isolation #88) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:19 am

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more thinker votes plz
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Post Post #993 (isolation #89) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:04 am

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it took you 3 minutes to type that post, twie?

what do you do, hunt and peck?
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #90) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:49 am

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In post 999, Nachomamma8 wrote:people are writing antihero off too easily.
his scum game ends up being bad on average but he has okay scum range (aka he does have the ability to turn it on); he's not out of scum range yet. doesn't mean he's a great lynch (my vote was more "hi!" which is why whoever asked me about it got a snark answer), but it does mean that all of the confidence around him is misplaced.
fair enough. if you don't want me you've still got infinity and nc to choose from.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #91) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:50 am

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also your thinker vote is excellent
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #92) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:23 pm

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In post 1032, Titus wrote:Desp, can we agree on a rogue leader? Both choices suck
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #93) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:24 pm

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VOTE: pine

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #94) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:56 am

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In post 1041, ThinkBig wrote:I've been extremely busy and apologize for putting this game off. If any of you want us to claim, I'll do so.
nah

i'll take a catchup though
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #95) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:07 am

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[Nero Cain, BBMolla, nacho]
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[SirCakez, Klingoncelt, Infinity 324]
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #96) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:12 am

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In post 1048, mastina wrote:
In post 973, Infinity 324 wrote:That, and TWIE
Because TWIE replaced Gamma who replaced Indigo who was town.

Also TWIE has towned the thread up just from his entrance alone (well, it's town if you know him anyway--the content he gave is not his scumgame and anyone who knows him, knows it isn't his scumgame), so.
what's his scumgame?

i remember he was scum in game of thrones but i was only there at the end so i wasn't super invested in what was going on
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #97) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:23 am

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because i thought they were before and nothing's changed since i last thought about it
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #98) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:01 pm

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In post 1061, Infinity 324 wrote:......Why were they town originally
for molla early on, he homed in on things that resonated with me because i was kinda' thinking the same thing as i read along page 10

luv is a combination of gut and something else i'm not going to talk about rn
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #99) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:04 pm

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In post 1073, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1057, Heartless wrote:[Nero Cain, BBMolla, nacho]
[Drunken Piper, Lil uzi vert, Desperado, AJ, mastin]
[SirCakez, Klingoncelt, Infinity 324]
null line ---> [Titus, TWIE, Aeronaut]
[Pine-A-Tonics]
Only one scumread??
yep

OH NOES SO BAD SO SCUMMZMZMZMZMZMLKS;JF;LKSAJDFLJDSA;FJ;LSAF
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #100) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:06 pm

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nb: i also temporarily suspended the thinker read altogether just so they can't give me the OMGZ U SO MEAN AND SO CONFBIASED
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #101) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:13 pm

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In post 1084, mastina wrote:Heartless may actually be scum here.
But I'm going to pretend I never said that because I'd prefer treating them as town anyway.
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #102) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:28 pm

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In post 1105, SirCakez wrote:I thought you had more for some reason (besides Thinker). And I disagree with your one scumread :/
did have one on princess (mastin slot)

i mean... in terms of townreads, i have a couple ideas for who i fucked up on but they're based on nothing but gut and i'd rather have tth's eyes hit this game first before spiraling into putting people in my null tier again

in terms of scumreads, it looks like i'm a little dry [though i will go ahead and say that some of you in the null tier are functionally a scumread. what does that mean? don't worry about it.]
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #103) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:37 pm

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In post 1092, Heartless wrote:
In post 1084, mastina wrote:Heartless may actually be scum here.
But I'm going to pretend I never said that because I'd prefer treating them as town anyway.
good, your crisis of faith is a self-correcting problem
also mastin, i will add to this post that it may get worse before it gets better

but just... trust me ok?
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #104) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:54 am

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In post 1123, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm a bit worried that heartless is scum given
nacho (I think?) talking about how good their scum game was
and that they haven't really been obvtown. Then nacho voted them for rogue leader so what??
well you took some liberties with what nacho said...
In post 999, Nachomamma8 wrote:people are writing antihero off too easily.
his scum game ends up being bad on average but he has okay scum range (aka he does have the ability to turn it on); he's not out of scum range yet. doesn't mean he's a great lynch (my vote was more "hi!" which is why whoever asked me about it got a snark answer), but it does mean that all of the confidence around him is misplaced.
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #105) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:06 am

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your point isn't really good but i'm not up for hammering on it rn
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #106) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:12 am

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In post 1133, Infinity 324 wrote:Heartless, tell us who you're going to put in the rogue crew please. (me me me)
picking:

[you, nacho, desp, nero, mastin, drunken piper]
^5 from that^

pending tth's assessment
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Post Post #1140 (isolation #107) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:27 am

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In post 1139, Infinity 324 wrote:Why do you townread mastin?
mostly: because her read on me is very intuitive and likely genuine and something i don't think she would do if she were just politicking and manipulating. (this is a big part of why i'm hard townreading nacho, btw)

[this in turn is based on an awareness of my own play. in what nacho and mastin would have as my "baseline" of town play, i'm a lot more keyed up than this and probably a little more in tune with what's going on. these differences are more due to the fact i'm a smidge out of practice at the moment and that i'm a little more mellow due to RL factors, but mastin and nacho wouldn't know that and are still basing a read on it. this implies they ARE in fact forming genuine reads which point to them more likely being town.]
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #108) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:38 am

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Good Saturday morning everyone!

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I had a pretty hectic week but I've got time to read and catch up now. Post incoming within the next few hours.

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Post Post #1234 (isolation #109) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:33 am

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I am not very pleased with this vote. I am also going to make it very clear that mastin will absolutely
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In post 1138, Heartless wrote:[you, nacho, desp, nero, mastin, drunken piper]
Infinity, Nacho, Desperado, and Aeronaut are my choices.
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #110) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:36 am

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30% of 17 is 5.1. Rounding down and including ourselves, I'm under the impression we have four. Am I wrong?
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Post Post #1241 (isolation #111) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:39 am

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In post 1237, Heartless wrote:30% of 17 is 5.1. Rounding down and including ourselves, I'm under the impression we have four. Am I wrong?
I'm neglecting the lynch. I see my mistake.
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #112) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:53 am

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In post 1057, Heartless wrote:[Nero Cain, BBMolla, nacho]
[Drunken Piper, Lil uzi vert, Desperado, AJ, mastin]
[SirCakez, Klingoncelt, Infinity 324]
null line ---> [Titus, TWIE, Aeronaut]
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #113) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:12 am

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In post 1090, Heartless wrote:
In post 1073, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1057, Heartless wrote:[Nero Cain, BBMolla, nacho]
[Drunken Piper, Lil uzi vert, Desperado, AJ, mastin]
[SirCakez, Klingoncelt, Infinity 324]
null line ---> [Titus, TWIE, Aeronaut]
[Pine-A-Tonics]
Only one scumread??
yep

OH NOES SO BAD SO SCUMMZMZMZMZMZMLKS;JF;LKSAJDFLJDSA;FJ;LSAF
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settle down, buckaroo. i'm well aware i probably have a scum or two above the null line (or more if i'm really shitting the bed). tth is going to run quality control this weekend.
This is less "quality control" and more "the
entire
scumteam is probably
above
the null line." It doesn't help me at all that, for no obvious reason, we're now the Rogue Leader front runner.
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #114) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:50 am

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In post 1057, Heartless wrote:[Nero Cain, BBMolla, nacho]
[Drunken Piper, Lil uzi vert, Desperado, AJ, mastin]
[SirCakez, Klingoncelt, Infinity 324]
null line ---> [Titus, TWIE, Aeronaut]
[Pine-A-Tonics]
A remediation of this readslist would likely include demoting Lil uzi vert and mastin to the dregs.
Spoiler:
I would also probably demote BBMolla, Klingoncelt, and Drunken Piper to null, but I'm not even close to being ready to quibble with that yet.


The only one I would keep in the null tier is TWIE. I think Titus is mildly town for her most recent push on Infinity. While I don't agree with the points that Infinity's been especially "agreeable" or "buddying," the push itself feels genuine from posts like and . Keeping in mind that catchups are often look "town" given the poster's advantage of doing everything after-the-fact, Aeronaut's catch ups still look town to me. He's reacting to mostly important things and the commentary does suggest a genuine reads development.

I also don't think Pine-A-Tonics has a good chance of being scum. The Gin head has already had some good posts that Infinity's already picked up on and pointed out. I also happened to take a look at the Hunger Games thread where both heads were scum. Given that baseline of scum activity, I'm a bit doubtful both these heads would sit on their asses, especially when getting voted up. I think the apathy's a little more likely to be town than not here.

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Post Post #1274 (isolation #115) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:13 am

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I would probably be voting mastin right now if I were by myself. The previous occupant of the slot was scummy. For one thing, a doctoral dissertation isn't something that just sneaks up on you. I'm not completely buying the replace-out reason. PrettyPrincess failed to post anything town in her time here. The two scumreads he may have had came out as potshots ( and ).

mastina herself hasn't redeemed the slot. The scumreads themselves are mediocre at best. Her interaction with Antihero rubs me entirely the wrong way too. Just when it looked like we were getting Rogue Leader, she says she suddenly might have a change of heart () but she's still so generously
gifting
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #116) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:20 am

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In post 1268, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1265, Heartless wrote:A remediation of this readslist would likely include demoting Lil uzi vert and mastin to the dregs.
Spoiler:


The only one I would keep in the null tier is TWIE. I think Titus is mildly town for her most recent push on Infinity. While I don't agree with the points that Infinity's been especially "agreeable" or "buddying," the push itself feels genuine fro m posts like Post 1201 and Post 1209. Keeping in mind that catchups are often look "town" given the poster's advantage of doing everything after-the-fact, Aeronaut's catch ups still look town to me. He's reacting to mostly important things and the commentary does suggest a genuine reads development.bably demote BBMolla, Klingoncelt, and Drunken Piper to null, but I'm not even close to being ready to quibble with that yet.The only one I would keep in the null tier is TWIE. I think Titus is mildly town for her most recent push on Infinity. While I don't agree with the points that Infinity's been especially "agreeable" or "buddying," the push itself feels genuine from posts like Post 1201 and Post 1209. Keeping in mind that catchups are often look "town" given the poster's advantage of doing everything after-the-fact, Aeronaut's catch ups still look town to me. He's reacting to mostly important things and the commentary does suggest a genuine reads development.
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #117) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:29 am

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In post 1275, Nero Cain wrote:Why was I kicked out?
The other four people I listed are just ahead of you.
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #118) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:35 am

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In post 1277, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1275, Nero Cain wrote:whiteknight moar!
I'm pretty sure that's not what a WK is.

What do you think about voting thinker, TTH?
That's another lynch I would do just for the sake of consensus.

As a former scumbuddy of Ari's, I'm aware of his tendency to lurk as scum. I've also been burned by thinking that was the sole guideline to reading him (Badass). In terms of his raw content there isn't much there so it's a craps shoot whether or not he flips scum.
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #119) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:37 am

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VOTE: LUV
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #120) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:03 am

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In post 1293, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok I get trying to start new wagons but these 4 vanity wagons should not be a thing
Maybe it shouldn't be a vanity wagon.

Quick show of hands, how many people are townreading LUV?
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #121) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:06 am

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In post 1298, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not even close to being ready to quibble with that yet
This, Nero.
I'm not dealing with tier placements right now.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #122) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:09 am

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In post 1298, Nero Cain wrote:So yes, I'd like to know why I was demoted from top tier town and leapfrogged by someone on your null list (Aero) and someone that you were considering moving to null (Piper)
You didn't really read my words that well if you think Aero's in my null list. And Piper didn't show up on my Rogue Team, did he?
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #123) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:10 am

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In post 1302, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1300, Heartless wrote:
In post 1298, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not even close to being ready to quibble with that yet
This, Nero.
I'm not dealing with tier placements right now.
yeah I'm not really buying that. Explain why Aero is town.
My suspicion that you're not reading is confirmed.
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #124) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:19 pm

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In post 1317, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 441, Heartless wrote:null line ---> [^SirCakez^, Titus, Indigo,
Aeronaut
, Klingoncelt, Pine-A-Tonics]
In post 1057, Heartless wrote:null line ---> [Titus, TWIE,
Aeronaut
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In post 1234, Heartless wrote:Infinity, Nacho, Desperado, and
Aeronaut
are my choices.
In post 1265, Heartless wrote:Aeronaut's catch ups still look town to me. He's reacting to mostly important things and the commentary does suggest a genuine reads development.
I mean yeah you started town reading him but he was obviously null from 441-1057. I know this is a star wars game but Jedi mind tricks won't work on me. So you are going to have to EXPLAIN why Aero is one of your top 4 town reads instead of just waving your hand and acting like "his catchups are town" is valid.
You don't have to keep up the authoritative act just because you're embarrassed by getting facts wrong. Aero was null back on 441 because he hadn't posted anything of substance and he was on V/LA. Since I posted last Sunday, Aero posted his catchup. I read it and thought he were town and said so in the posts around 1234.

Do you want me to list out the points that he mentioned that I thought were town? Very well:
  • His point about PrettyPrincess not trying to game solve ()
  • His point about Klingon not trying to game solve ()
  • His point about LUV's SirCakez vote being terrible ()
  • His response and analysis of my post to SirCakez ()
  • Questions to Infinity in and .
  • His point about Pine in .
  • His point about Klingon in .
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #125) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:31 pm

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/low groan

this fucking game
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #126) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:36 pm

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VOTE: the thinker

this is it. this is what i'm voting.
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #127) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:02 pm

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who's smth?
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #128) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:53 pm

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well that's... great

i mean... if a thinker lynch isn't possible this gamestate is hopelessly dysfunctional. i think i saw someone say something about ari needing handholding when talking about reads and i don't have any patience left for that nor do i really buy the existence of this version of ari that needs his diaper changed before giving reads. it's been a whole week now where he's bobbed around in the thread without even a good faith attempt at reading the game. that and some shat out AtE at nacho is the total sum of ari's content this game. AND the other head talked about claiming then never bothered to follow up on.... anything.

so... yeah. not gonna' have much patience for any lip about how the feng shui of the thread isn't right for ari to blossom into a beautiful butterfly or whatever the hell else.
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #129) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:56 pm

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this is the post i was talking about:
In post 1157, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 1145, Infinity 324 wrote:I wanna vote thinker with you but I don't think we can get 5 other people to do it in 3 days.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.

We are not lynching Ari under any circumstances until I talk to him. Ari is not a player you can yell at and expect work to be produced. I've found the best method is to do a snowball like effect where you start off by asking his opinion on your own opinion about a post and then you get him working on it trying to analyze bigger posts that you think have a lot of meaning behind it.

My opinion as it stands is that Ari has stuck to defending himself and just talking about people accusing him because that's what is in front of him. Get him away from the crowd and talk to him 1 on 1 and he blossoms like a flower. If he can't do that then it's scum 99% but I fully support not lynching Ari until that session has occurred.

The only thing that sucks is that he is V/LA :/

Regardless, that slot looks like it's begging for a mislynch and I don't feel like a deadline lynch should damn that slot. He can easily do the 1 on 1 session on D2 or D3 and if that fails after a good hour of talking, then he's gone and it's scum!Ari confirmed.

Also, if anyone is up for some town jam sessions hit me up, I've been in the mood and I feel like a piece of shit for neglecting this game.

/Gin
you know... thinking on it...

where was all this insight about ari during the last TWO WEEKS?

why is it just now coming out to play at deadline?
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #130) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:50 am

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In post 1422, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Is ThinkBig on V/LA?
In post 1423, Nero Cain wrote:si they both are
could've fooled me with the way he's posting on the site
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #131) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:51 am

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In post 1426, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:I'm just not comfortable lynching Ari until I have the chance to talk to him.
this game started on the 10th

you're telling me there wasn't enough chances up to now?

not rhetorical
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #132) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:54 am

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In post 1439, Titus wrote:I struggle to see how this is College Mafia Ari, SirCakez.
simple

ari wasn't scum in college mafia
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #133) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:14 pm

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VOTE: luv
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #134) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:22 pm

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In post 1522, mastina wrote:Further exemplified by Nacho's death during the night.
funny, i thought the same thing about you mastin
In post 1522, mastina wrote:Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I basically taught TheRealGin-N-Tonic how to town it up behind closed doors. (Not directly, but indirectly, via my theory work. Most recently seen here, but elsewhere too.) Because, uh. Yeah. They're closed fucking doors. We can't see them. It's easier to manipulate two or three town players than it is the entire town.
i dunno. it gave me a few doubts about my scumread on them going into night (though, breaking into the crew WAS jarringly godawful)
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #135) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:32 pm

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In post 1586, Nero Cain wrote:
@Heartless
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we did not choose pine. they entered about 12 hours into the night via an ability they have.
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Post Post #1612 (isolation #136) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:48 am

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good w/ this

rogue leader: desp
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #137) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:52 am

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/raspberry

kinda' waiting on aeronaut to talk to. that's one of the two slots tth and i still have appreciably divergent reads on, along with mastin (to a lesser extent, LUV and pine but those i'm approaching tth's position on already)
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #138) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:16 pm

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In post 1643, Drunken Piper wrote:
unvote: Rogue Leader Desperado


VOTE: Rogue Leader: Heartless.
unnecessary

we're rogue leader by default unless someone else gets majority
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #139) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:20 pm

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In post 1644, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:This is conformable by other members of the RC but there are two key things that are missing here.

1) There was one reason I used the ability, that was to talk to Nacho. Otherwise I never would have joined the crew.
2) While in the crew, I had one simple question for Nacho and if IIRC it was,

"Nacho, you and Mastina are like blood. Can I trust her?"

Nacho made 1 post in the crew but never actually answered that question.

I think you can start to connect the dots in why Nacho, who wasn't presenting himself as a threat, needed to go N1. My hypothesis is that Mastina is so daftly afraid of Nacho being able to call her shit out that he held priority over everyone else.

/Gin
that is one thought. and the first one i had.

the other is one i'll hold off on at least until mastin posts again.
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Post Post #1648 (isolation #140) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:15 pm

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i see mastin actually touched on it in her last post
In post 1630, mastina wrote:Second. Now that we have established Nacho was not a universal townread within the crew (something I didn't know), that would only be evidence to strengthen my posit: Nacho not being universally townread within the crew is a GREAT way for the scum to get away with killing him. Less likely to be protected, and less likely to be, saaaaay, watched. So, killing a strong player who the town wasn't trusting yet before said player could be fully trusted--that sounds an awful lot like Pine's modus operandi as scum. (Admittedly yes it'd be mine as well, but he and I picked up the trick at loosely the same time. Him, probably a bit before me if I'm fully honest, given games like Mirror Mafia among others.)
the "other thing" i was thinking of was "kill someone low profile to evade a protective"

last i knew mastin is a "screw the protectives, kill who you want" type of scumbag, i kind of didn't expect this answer from her :\ i sort of expected a spiel about who she would kill if she were scum.
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #141) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:44 am

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/points and laughs at tth

VOTE: pine
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Post Post #1709 (isolation #142) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:45 am

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In post 1706, Infinity 324 wrote:Probably aeronaut
yep

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Post Post #1710 (isolation #143) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:49 am

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In post 1705, PeregrineV wrote:Greetings all!!
Not sure who I'm replacing, but will read up over the weekend. Fun full posting on Monday.
into a scum slot

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Post Post #1714 (isolation #144) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:05 am

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oh wait i'm stupid pv is luv

so prob not a scum slot
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #145) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:07 am

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In post 1713, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Antihero has to be reading this going "full of shit full of shit full of shit"
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #146) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:26 am

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gut says pt post wasn't a bus
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #147) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:29 am

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In post 456, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 450, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 445, Heartless wrote:well his title is "couplet typer" so i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this is a posting gimmick
Oh. That does explain things.

That's irritating.

VOTE: LUV

LUV is mostly a gut read. It's based on a broad reading of their ISO, nothing specific. Sorry, it's a boring game, people are playing things close to the vest, and Titus has been reasonable lately.
Any posts of mine in particular giving you that gut feeling?
this also doesn't feel like s/s to me
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Post Post #1721 (isolation #148) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:30 am

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that and all of p19
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #149) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:31 am

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let's start w a VOTE: titus
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Post Post #1802 (isolation #150) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:21 am

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my vote is trash

working on fixing that
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #151) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:26 am

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Post Post #1810 (isolation #152) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:57 am

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it was a rogue crew ability + known to rogue crew
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #153) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:57 pm

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In post 1844, SirCakez wrote:No this isn't chainsawing, this vote from Titus is just atrocious. Her play around Klingon still makes sense as scum.
explain plz?

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Post Post #1853 (isolation #154) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:35 pm

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a couple questions for aj:

1. what do you think is inadequate about the way the rogue crew currently is?
In post 1827, Aj The Epic wrote:Already looked for associations. I didn't see anything other than Luv was probs town, as was infinity. There's very little in the ISO that's useful anymore given who's died. That's my opinion so feel free to look, but I just didn't see anything.
2. that's really it? how about mastin? how about the however many ppl on the failed d1 wagon? how about titus? nothing out of that?
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #155) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:03 pm

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the part where you were saying her play around klingon makes sense as scum
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Post Post #1857 (isolation #156) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:07 pm

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/sigh

aj, i gotta say...

i'm looking through pinetonic iso and i'm finding it very hard to believe you would just find what i already mentioned (about LUV) and say you came up empty.

i'm finding stuff for:
>cakez
>titus
>twie
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>nero

....

fdsajklf;jas;ldfkealwpoiiiii8hahfdajsfiew;lds;ajfe;iwj;fcasdkljfkl;jafsd
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Post Post #1858 (isolation #157) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:08 pm

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In post 1856, Aj The Epic wrote:I don't know enough about the crew to say regardless. We don't know what you all have talked about or what roles you get, or even how they're distributed. If you're referring to my vote, I'm just more sure Infinity is town.
in terms of mechanics, unless you flat out want one of us (heartless+infinity+piper) kicked out of the crew there's really no point in voting a new rogue leader in
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Post Post #1859 (isolation #158) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:12 pm

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In post 1856, Aj The Epic wrote:With mastin, I noticed it. However my issue is I can't tell if she actually sniped pine out super hard or if it's scum theatre.
well...

tonic's approach to mastin was mostly discrediting (any of his posts on that page) while pine's was a hybrid of discrediting and appeasement

do EITHER of those sound like the way scum would treat a scumbuddy to you?
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #159) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:22 pm

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non sequitur
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #160) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:23 pm

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are you saying that pine and tonic would've been too lazy to make a case and call mastin scum or....

...

what?
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #161) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:26 pm

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Post Post #1868 (isolation #162) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:38 pm

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it clicked for me:

> the only time pinetonic saw fit to mention a read on aj was in this post where he lazily just kind of toyed around with a quasi-scumread. NEITHER pine nor tonic himself saw fit to follow up

> aj's content itself has been disappointing. even though there's a flipped scum and that scum has... 117 posts all he's done is regurgitate what i said the rest of his thoughts is just a quagmire of jfkl;dsajfkl;mewlkfj;lkajf

> aj's critics either end up dead (desp) or with a crowbar to the knee (bbmolla)

aj is scum
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #163) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:39 pm

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In post 1866, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1855, Heartless wrote:the part where you were saying her play around klingon makes sense as scum
Attempting to pocket Klingon by backing off of her was what it looks like now.

Pine's behavior around mastina means she's probtown, agreed.
yes, pocketing someone who's about to die

flawless scum strategy
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #164) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:41 pm

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In post 1867, Aj The Epic wrote:Because I don't see what I expect in town v scum: a long, drawn out fight with one on a complete defensive and losing to compelling evidence.
...

what?

are you reading the same game i am? mastin planted her vote on pine and didn't move
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #165) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:46 pm

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In post 1867, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 1863, Heartless wrote:are you saying that pine and tonic would've been too lazy to make a case and call mastin scum or....

...

what?

No. It IS easier but there's a reason I'd expect this first that's a bit of a different direction. Mainly, doing attacks like this doesn't exactly encourage case building or reviews through ISOs. It's also not necessarily drawing them into the limelight. It's almost a defensive measure where you take it in case one dies. Full on cases may make better 'scum theatre' overall, but it almost guarantees the incrimination of one or both playing. My thought is 'does this look like Mastin/Pine leaving distance between themselves?' Does mastin actually catch Pine like this or does she have prior knowledge? Because I don't see what I expect in town v scum: a long, drawn out fight with one on a complete defensive and losing to compelling evidence.
this...

is so counterintuitive

summary of what i'm seeing here:

mastin/pine fight ----????????-----> aj's grey fart cloud

nothing is plausibly filling the ??????????????? there's skepticism/not being played for a sucker and then there's.... this. not buying it.
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Post Post #1889 (isolation #166) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:53 pm

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In post 1874, Aj The Epic wrote:A.) I've told you my day 1s are bad.
so i've heard...

question: who's scum?

another question: why do you think luv is town given your skepticism around mastin and the possibility of her bussing?
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #167) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:49 pm

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what's your read on aeronaut?
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #168) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:54 am

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In post 1901, BBmolla wrote:Plus I could choose someone and they would create a PT with me if they died and could kee ptalking to me
what's the quote that goes w this?
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Post Post #1922 (isolation #169) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:55 am

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In post 1918, Drunken Piper wrote:I also think tonight I should be the leader.
unless someone has a counter point and that post I will be a reader.
do you plan on changing the rogue crew?
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #170) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:56 am

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In post 1913, SirCakez wrote:Ding ding ding
i don't see no vote
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #171) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:14 pm

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In post 1963, Aj The Epic wrote:Can you show me a game where you townread Titus first? I'm reading her scum for reasons completely different than yours, which is one of the main reasons.
why does it matter?

also.... plz elaborate on this titus scumread.
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #172) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:24 pm

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In post 1971, Aj The Epic wrote:WRT Molla's claim, I'm tempted to call bullshit on it but scum would need a lot of power to counter this town as it is.
"as it is" the only decent town PR that's flipped has been ari's and otherwise has been a whole buncha nothin so no idea what you're talking about on that front

that aside, this argument doesn't follow. if you're saying you think town's jacked wouldn't that make you think molla's role is a scum role?
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #173) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:29 pm

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Spoiler: hello zefiend
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #174) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:48 pm

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In post 2008, Antihero wrote:/low groan
damn
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #175) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:57 pm

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In post 2010, mastina wrote:In fact, half the game didn't even want you to claim your abilities.
is this a fact or an alternative fact?
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #176) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:59 pm

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the only one i recall opposing bb claiming was titus
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #177) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:00 pm

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ok... nitpicking aside.... the theory stretches plausibility
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #178) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:02 pm

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drunken piper, did pine target bbmolla?

let's just settle it
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Post Post #2028 (isolation #179) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:24 pm

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yes
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Post Post #2041 (isolation #180) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:47 pm

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In post 2031, mastina wrote:
In post 2015, Infinity 324 wrote:If it's such an obvious scum role, WHY THE FUCK would molla claim it AFTER being vanillaized?
"If it's such an obvious scum ability, why the FUCK would Pine use it?"

...

...Yeah. I rest my case.
i think his point was that the claim doesn't look like it's calculated to get towncred
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Post Post #2051 (isolation #181) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:56 pm

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ok mastin, let's play a game

3-4 scum

1 scum 2-shot vanillaizer
1 scum redirecting joat/rolestop
???????

13-14 town

1 2-shot vig
3 VT
???????

you're reviewing this setup. in general terms, what has to go into the ?????? to make this balanced?
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Post Post #2061 (isolation #182) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:12 pm

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In post 2052, mastina wrote:Can't exactly claim to be vanillaized ad a VT, now, can you?
it strips the special character ability

which i'm p certain everyone has at this point
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #183) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:19 pm

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In post 2065, mastina wrote:How about Drunken Piper's softclaimed role we haven't had a hardclaim of?
he's semi-hard a tracker/follower
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #184) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:20 pm

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ok well you managed to miss the point of the thought exercise anyway

i fucking give up
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #185) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:23 pm

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In post 2065, mastina wrote:In contrast, what does the role offer for town?
rolestop - functionality of a doc
redirect - redirect scum kill to scumread
deflect - triggered bomb
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #186) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:40 am

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Hi guys!
I'm woefully behind, but when I talked to Antihero last night about this game he sounded pretty frustrated so I'm going to try taking over for a while.
I'm going to have some free time to devote to this tonight. I'll catch up then. ^_^

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Post Post #2103 (isolation #187) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:08 am

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VOTE: zefiend

scum catch up
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #188) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:10 am

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also titus u can't call me dumb as fuck and then turn around and call cakez scum
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Post Post #2127 (isolation #189) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:44 am

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In post 2116, Titus wrote:Are you voting SirCakez? No. Have you been applying pressure there? No.
have you been reading drunken piper's posts?

no
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Post Post #2128 (isolation #190) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:45 am

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In post 2116, Titus wrote:Are you postulating BBMolla fakeclaiming without explaining why scumMolla would fake vanillaized before DP postulated his guilty? Yes.
are you even reading MY posts?

no
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Post Post #2225 (isolation #191) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:26 am

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In post 2137, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2103, Heartless wrote:VOTE: zefiend

scum catch up
Why?
bc you use a ton of words to say not very much and the reads themselves are so cookie cutter and meh

talk about this more when not on a phone
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Post Post #2226 (isolation #192) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:28 am

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In post 2204, ɀefiend wrote:Gotta go to class but hopefully this scumfuck is lynched before I get back. I can't even.
^doesn't help and is a little reminiscent of aero's upick, beeteedubs
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Post Post #2228 (isolation #193) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:16 pm

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finally at a computer

1st thing: i need to take back what i said to titus and admit i have no clue what's going on w/ piper and cakez
In post 2093, Drunken Piper wrote:(As DP slept off his last tear, conversation exploded. but he saw this that caught his eye, he will do the other catch up later)
In post 2084, ɀefiend wrote:
I believe Heartless already asked this question, but
@DrunkenPiper
: if you tracked Pine to nacho N1, wouldn't you also have tracked him to BBmolla? If you didn't, isn't that confirmation that BBmolla is lying about being vanillaized? I don't know how Firebringer would resolve that but maybe you should ask him.
you can do this math, if that was the case,
then I wouldnt be talking about BBmolla in this time and place.

hmm, think hard new guy, think hard, try not to use any aids.
and you will probably figure out that I am a...............
at first i thought he was claiming gunsmith and that would explain everything: how he guiltied pine and how he doesn't have a definitive opinion on whether bb is gambiting or not.

but then i looked back and he said very distinctly that cakez didn't visit anyone which a gunsmith wouldn't know so i have no fucking idea what's going on there

In post 1817, Drunken Piper wrote:also n2 Cakez did not target anyone.
if you were curious if he was walking around with a gun.
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Post Post #2230 (isolation #194) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:26 pm

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wasn't what a rogue crew ability?
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Post Post #2233 (isolation #195) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:08 pm

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In post 2231, Titus wrote:You're really close, but I think it would be antitown to push you there.
well there's really no unringing that bell now, so i think clarification is better
In post 2231, Titus wrote:Can you clarify your BBMolla read and why?
town, vanillaized claim/occam's razor

[i also happen to think molla's role being a scum role would prob create very problematic balance issues but i guess that's just me, what do i know about balancing setups?]
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Post Post #2234 (isolation #196) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:08 pm

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In post 2232, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 2230, Heartless wrote:wasn't what a rogue crew ability?
DP's track
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Post Post #2236 (isolation #197) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:37 pm

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In post 2235, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 2233, Heartless wrote:[i also happen to think molla's role being a scum role would prob create very problematic balance issues but i guess that's just me, what do i know about balancing setups?]
whereas if hes town, thats really not that much power.
well.... kinda', but not precisely. if town, it's potentially quite a bit of power IF they target the right people, but it's unlikely. there's also potential for some negative utility in there. it's what people would call "swingy" but ON AVERAGE, i would consider to be relatively low power.
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Post Post #2237 (isolation #198) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:51 pm

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In post 2225, Heartless wrote:
In post 2137, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 2103, Heartless wrote:VOTE: zefiend

scum catch up
Why?
bc you use a ton of words to say not very much and the reads themselves are so cookie cutter and meh

talk about this more when not on a phone
anyway back to this

in the opening post i feel like he's just sort of going through the motions and dryly pointing out things that MIGHT be scummy but there's really no direction to any of the thoughts and most all the reads just kind of end up in this weird limbo. i'm not really seeing any effort to go beyond surface level or any attempt to say what the most LIKELY situation is. it's the appearance of "gamesolving" without really solving anything.
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #199) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:24 pm

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In post 2243, ɀefiend wrote:TL:Dr: I wanted to establish a baseline personal "feel" of the game so that I could work off of something as I get in stride. I didn't want to just come out with reads and progression that makes no sense with zero background context. My catch-up at least provides some context and I'm was more comfortable moving forward with one like that.
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