Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

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Sup.

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I vigged Titus last night because of the way she defended Maria, who wound up flipping scum.

I fully expected she'd also flip scum, because Titus supports her scum buddies.

This is fucking terrible.

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I vigged Titus last night because of the way she defended Maria, who wound up flipping scum.

I fully expected she'd also flip scum, because Titus supports her scum buddies.

This is fucking terrible.

Yeah, my buddies said the same in the Scum PT but I was like, nah! I can sell it!

Maybe your reputation is so be real stupid and you're playing to it.

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I vigged Titus last night because of the way she defended Maria, who wound up flipping scum.

I fully expected she'd also flip scum, because Titus supports her scum buddies.

This is fucking terrible.

Yeah, my buddies said the same in the Scum PT but I was like, nah! I can sell it!

Maybe your reputation is so be real stupid and you're playing to it.

This post adds nothing but an insult. It is clear you disagree but unless you say why it is just demoralization or empty attack. No likey you.

Oh the implied statement is that titus was obvtown as fuck.

The insult was as explicit as was intended.

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Would consider lynching: AA9, gerryoat, davesaz, Kison,

LUV, TWIE, McMenno.

Pleasantly small pool, actually.

this is my exact list of preferred lunches tbh.

Plus maxous

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Those 5 plus Spyrex is what jumped out during my read.

I'd have to look back and see what I liked about menno

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Math I don't really like. But I thought vedith was town.

Kraska I didn't like but how stupid would you have to be to claim that vig. Unless someone knows that grey is always a vi.

Luv and menno I guess I wouldn't be upset about lynching, I'd just prefer the others first.

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Would consider lynching: AA9, gerryoat, davesaz, Kison,

LUV, TWIE, McMenno.

Pleasantly small pool, actually.

this is my exact list of preferred lunches tbh.

Plus maxous

Did you read the posts between the one you quoted and your reply? You should realize the pool shrank in that time -- do you agree with the shrinkage?

My pool of preferred lynches actually didn't change at all when fish posted.

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Unless someone knows that grey is always a vi.

If you think I might be a VI, meta me and be amazed.

I do some ballsy shit as town, and it usually works out nicely. Every now and then some dipshït steps on my dick, but that's life.

I think you might be a vi from this game tbh. No meta required.

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I think you might be a vi from this game tbh. No meta required.

Yeah homie sling that shade. Dance in vagary.

Calling me a VI just gives me cover to act like scum because hey, I'm just an idiot anyway right?

Your play is scummy as hell and I wouldn't mind seeing you lynched today, either.

You shot the most town person in the game. What would you call that?

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VI is like the nicest thing I can call you tbh

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sorry guys ive been busy.

thread summary

dunn push is meh.

aa9 wagon is good.

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srsly dunn wagon is not happening. everyone on it should do somethign else instead

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srsly dunn wagon is not happening. everyone on it should do somethign else instead

No. Not when I believe both are town. One is through lurking and one is through pointing out the scumslip. Lurking is not alignment indicative.

I didn't say vote one of the other 2 wagons. I said do something else. I've only limited your options by 1.

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I'm asking people to move their vote from a bad wagon elsewhere. Not asking them to vote

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And not voting is kinda my thing.

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How are you hard town reading kison?

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Menno

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How about scum fish and town gerry? I've got them swapped from you.

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Vote: Arcangel9

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VOTE: Arcangel9

Sorry. I asked you to get into the neighborhood. You've been useless for a whole day phase

This makes her vote even worse.

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Sure

In fact I'd lynch TWIE over mcmenno. Why does nobody care about that slot?

proabably cause vifam was real town.

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we're really doing menno again huh

cool.

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oh then that makes it better

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you guys want me to start MC?

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got 9C 5C

didnt get 8S

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Ok look at this - this is what im thinking is what is REALLY going on in this game:

Claimed cards:
Mathblade: J-c, 8-s, 2-s
Spyrex: 9-s, 8-s, 2-s
TWIE: 9-c, 5-c, MISSING 8-s, claimed random picks

Stuff we know:
-Maria picked a pro town card
-Some town early in the draft picked pro-scum cards to deny them to scum
-Several people have been die-hard advocates of claiming stuff starting very early.

What im suspecting is really going on:
Mathblade: J-c,

8-s

, 2-s ---> Hidden pro-scum card
Spyrex: 9-s,

8-s

, 2-s ---> Hidden pro-scum card
TWIE: 9-c,

5-c

,

MISSING 8-s

, claimed random picks ---> 9-c, Ace of clubs, actually missed out on either the ninja or godfather card

Scum decided to go deep undercover by picking a ton of towncards for towncred. It is just

too much of a coincidence

that 3 people decided to all pick one of the

objectively worst cards in the deck

. They got caught offguard both by the claim happy people and the fact that one of them missed out on one of the most obvious scumpicks. Vifam never could claim that he wanted to pick those cards to deny them to scum SINCE HE WAS LAST IN THE DRAFT. So either they had to sacrifice themselves straight away, or claim a card with the team that no town would ever pick. Vifam now again claimed a card that noone imo would ever pick, the 5 of clubs. I strongly suspects he's the one holding the Ace of clubs.

If im right the scum strategy is very straight forward with a simple thought process behind it. Pick pro-town cards for towncred, combined with plenty of defensive shit (Jack of clubs, 2-s, ninja/godfather) that makes you either very hard to lynch or make town not want to lynch you.

i assume you understand why this is really fucking stupid

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Ok look at this - this is what im thinking is what is REALLY going on in this game:

Claimed cards:
Mathblade: J-c, 8-s, 2-s
Spyrex: 9-s, 8-s, 2-s
TWIE: 9-c, 5-c, MISSING 8-s, claimed random picks

Stuff we know:
-Maria picked a pro town card
-Some town early in the draft picked pro-scum cards to deny them to scum
-Several people have been die-hard advocates of claiming stuff starting very early.

What im suspecting is really going on:
Mathblade: J-c,

8-s

, 2-s ---> Hidden pro-scum card
Spyrex: 9-s,

8-s

, 2-s ---> Hidden pro-scum card
TWIE: 9-c,

5-c

,

MISSING 8-s

, claimed random picks ---> 9-c, Ace of clubs, actually missed out on either the ninja or godfather card

Scum decided to go deep undercover by picking a ton of towncards for towncred. It is just

too much of a coincidence

that 3 people decided to all pick one of the

objectively worst cards in the deck

. They got caught offguard both by the claim happy people and the fact that one of them missed out on one of the most obvious scumpicks. Vifam never could claim that he wanted to pick those cards to deny them to scum SINCE HE WAS LAST IN THE DRAFT. So either they had to sacrifice themselves straight away, or claim a card with the team that no town would ever pick. Vifam now again claimed a card that noone imo would ever pick, the 5 of clubs. I strongly suspects he's the one holding the Ace of clubs.

If im right the scum strategy is very straight forward with a simple thought process behind it. Pick pro-town cards for towncred, combined with plenty of defensive shit (Jack of clubs, 2-s, ninja/godfather) that makes you either very hard to lynch or make town not want to lynch you.

i assume you understand why this is really fucking stupid

Why dont you go ahead and explain why that is?

lol really? you want me to explain why this is one of the stupidest things ive ever read? sounds good.

its really fucking stupid because first of all. no scumteam is going to link 3 members of their team together early day 1 and then hope they never lynch any of them. especially when one of them is claiming to be double hated and must be lynched. because literally as soon as either of those people before me get lynched and dont have an 8s, im a free lynch.

second. no scum team is going to have 3 members of their team claim to have bid on the same card without knowing beforehand if anyone else in the game has a copy of it. 1 cc and thats potentially 2 free scum lynches.

third, you're aware that the cards we didnt pick didnt just fucking disappear into the nether. they went into the deck. you think that 3 people claimed to have a card that theres 2 copies of in the deck that can flip and cause 2/3 free lynches at any time? especially with people who can see several cards deep into the deck.

you literally think that a scum team took all of these major risks for the incredible payoff of not having to claim 1 of their 3 cards? because thats easier than just claiming you were trying to remove the card from the scum pool?

it literally makes no sense for vifam to ever claim to have not gotten the 8s without bidding on it.
it literally makes no sense for vifam to claim to have not gotten the 8s if he did recieve it.
it literally only makes sense for vifam to claim to have not gotten the 8s if he bid on and did not receive it.

its at this point that i fell like i should stop and remind you to breathe just in case you forgot while you were trying to read this because genuinely that was one of the stupidest things ive ever read.

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@MB: everything you are saying starts from "Dunn is scum". Where do you get that from, exactly? If Dunn has claimed scum multiple times, could you please point out where?

Dunn says let's kill Titus unprompted. Titus dies. Shocking stuff.

you're aware that dunn doesnt have to be scum for this right?

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Thank you for this response. The claimed cards appearing as trump argument is indeed a very valid argument. From what Ive seen from the players in question so far, I do not agree that the other arguments have that much merit. Id appreciate it if you start producing more quality posts like this, since you do apparently have the ability to.

depends on how many people need to be condescended to tbh.

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id lynch gerry.

or kison

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if you can read vifam day 1 and still shoot me you should do that because this game is too stupid and id rather be out of it tbh

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oh man you're right its almost like ive been coasting in an obvtown slot.

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its almost like if youre going to shoot an obvtown shot you deserve to lose.

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Why did the programmer get stuck in their shower?

because their shampoo said lather, rinse, repeat.

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do you guys think mafia would try and shoot d3 with a 2 showing?

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because the day 3 mafia kill is missing.

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Massclaim status -

done

42 - Mathblade - Jc, 2s, 8s
77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat KH, KC, 3D
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison - Ks, 5c, 4h
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - 2h, 3c, 8c
13 - Maxous - Ah, 3h, 5h
17 - drealmerz7 - 9h, 3h
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
2 - SpyreX - 2s, 8s, 9s
12 - McMenno -3c, 3d (missed 7h)
12 - Lil Uzi Vert - Qh, 9s, 7c
12 - TWIE 5c, 9c (missed 8s)

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like why wouldnt you just wait until n3 if you dont know where the 2s are

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did it?

would strongman work through kill disabler or no?

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actually no one claimed 6c so it doesnt matter.

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everyone check that everyone in your neighborhood has a card that lets them be in your neighborhood

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12 - McMenno -3c, 3d (missed 7h)

like for instance if someone is claiming this but they're in your neighborhood.

thats probably not good.

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i know hes in clubs hood.

but those cards dont let him be in clubs hood.

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so he lied.

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okay... then.

nevermind.

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everyone still do that though.

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what are you guys expecting to get out of card cop on kison?

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if he was lying wouldnt you not claim the kd

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Ks*

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Hiding the Ace of Clubs. It's *quite* likely to be hidden as another club, because inventory. The 5 - unconfirmable, unlikely to be counterclaimed - is a good candidate.

okay im following now. because Ac is the only reason we shouldnt have a vengekill.

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why do you think its more likely that the Ac is hiding as a club rather than as any other safe to claim non diamond?

pre inventory i mean.

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why do you think its more likely that the Ac is hiding as a club rather than as any other safe to claim non diamond?

pre inventory i mean.

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no i mean.

if we only have an inventory on diamond.

you're working on the assumption that the Ac must have claimed it as another club to hide it. i dont think thats neccesarily true.

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although as a counter point card spy shows us double inventory on the way.

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titus obvtowned to me in the time between when i replaced in and maria was lynched.

she was even more town after actually reading through the game.

how were you scum reading her?

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Kison has Ks 6c 4h

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and not 5c like he claimed

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tbh menno was pretty town.

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also you still cant narrow down ace to 3 people without a clubs inventory.

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it was a reasonable lynch if you didnt read menno off of his play at all sure.

and you believed that dave was killed solely for being a card cop

and that the only way they could have known that is from the clubs hood

and no other potential reasons for any of those things existed.

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it is a pointless discussion.

because today is already decided.

we're lynching scum kison or town me.

and we're waiting around for someone to die first probably.

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if either of you idiots are town i swear to fucking god.

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i have.

the equivalent of a cop guilty.

and you fuckos are voting 2 randoms.

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i have.

the equivalent of a cop guilty.

and you fuckos are voting 2 randoms.

My vote isn't random.

Town!Giggles acts nothing like this after pushing multiple mislynches.

She's pushing an agenda, not game solving.

shut.
the.
fuck.
up.

vote the cop guilty.

or vote me.

those are your choices.

i dont give a fuck about how you think someone should be acting.

cop guilty>your feelings.

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we really shouldnt lynch until 48 hrs anyway though.

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OK. New plan: shoot Kison, no matter what?

I'm bulletproof tonight and town, so vigging me isn't the most stellar of plans. Card copping is a better strategy.

Why I would do this as scum? I could have absorbed a vig and not been card copped. Instead I point out that I was bulletproof and volunteer to be copped. How in the hell does that make any sense for scum?

TheWayItScums is a lying scumbag trying to secure a final mislynch. ~ 50/50 odds and even if it doesn't work he has three other fuckin partners.

because not dying to a vig shot after MC is as much of a death sentence as the card cop and you can use your "volunteered" information as pseudo-leverage in a 1v1.

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when i have an action during the day i can send it to the mod and it resolves after 48 hours unless i do so after that point

cant the scumteam do the same?

so if they send in their actions and the day ends before the 48 hour mark the kill goes through?

the kill goes through.

but if we start the day at 9 and the scumteam has 4 people left, we have to lynch before 48 hours or they can force NL.

lynching < 48 hrs keeps us in the game.

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oh so you're just helpfully pointing out known information?

thats worth even less credit than before.

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right because otherwise someone else would have pointed it out and you wouldnt have gotten credit.

or we would have shot you, asked why you didnt say you were bulletproof and lynched you anyway.

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its almost like you were in a no win situation as scum and this 1v1 is your best option after people floated the idea of lynching me yesterday.

almost.

exactly.

like.

that.

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whats your plan for resolving the kison/twie situation then?

like its not going away.

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does that give better results than just inventorying clubs?

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hey kison can you add a yawning smiley to the site so i can respond to that post adequately.

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seriously who do i talk to about adding a yawning smiley.

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>being this new

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yeah thats what i was afraid of.

we can lynch kison now.

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Where I am on Kison vs TWIE:

- Kison looks better, outside of the cop result
- The cop result is quite unlikely to be faked in not-quite-lylo
- I need to think harder about both of those to weigh them properly

Well 1/2 ain't that bad

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I'm leaning towards a TWIE lynch.

Kison has been pretty protown throughout the game

Kison is one of a few players who made Maria's lynch a good deal more likely. Bussing happens, but it more often doesn't. Kison's play looks a lot like someone trying to catch scum.

TWIE/Vifam have not

This slot's not really done much, tbh. Vifam claimed to pick cards randomly, which is a townish thing to do in a weird kind of way - surely scum would have been chatting away about draft picks. I don't think it's really the kind of thing people lie about. Outside of that, there's fuck all to get a read based on. I don't at all understand TWIE's claim that Vifam was obvtown day 1.

oh cool.

you're an idiot.

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i could easily see grey scum.

im like real afraid that gerry is just really bad town.

i think vecnas lack of grasp on the gamestate makes him have to be town?

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LUV is like an impossible read.

i was scumreading maxous hard reading through d1d2 but not as much since

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yeah maybe fishy is scum.

huh

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or sure no problem.

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i called you an idiot because you made this post

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hopefully that clarifies things

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loads of information like kison doesnt have a 5c.

because we already know he has the 6c?

thats fucking brilliant.

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i take back calling you an idiot.

because wow.

what a plan.

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im actually not doing that at all.

im acting like this whole situation is beneath me because anyone with a brain should be able to look at kisons argument and go yeah thats clearly scum and it doesnt really need me to comment on it at all.

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hey fish what do you think the odds of a town win are on the 48hr lynch deadline?

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2) scum!TWIE could give a real guilty on scum!Kison or scum!LUV: a hard bus.
3) scum!TWIE could give a real inno on town!Kison or town!LUV. However, with inventory, narrowing down the lynch pool in "hunt the ace of clubs" would be a real risk. Particularly true of the other of Kison and LUV is scum.

why would i ever do either of these things then.

any situation where im bussing someone in this position is obscene.

if anyone in this game is considering a situation where kison and i are both scum, get help.

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I'm town. If you guys actually step up and compare our play you'll see I'm not the right lynch.

- I was one of the few people who pushed Maria during day two.
- I was against Jackel's wagon.
- I was against McMenno's lynch.
- I've put considerable effort into finding scum consistently throughout the game.

Vifam/TWIE:
- Bandwagoned Drone.
- Bandwagoned Jackel.
- Replaced out day 3 whle Maria was been lynched so wasn't really around.
- Was on the Milkshake/Arcangel lynch.
- Contributed nothing day 5 and didn't even vote the entire day.

because kisons list of things is.

hey look at the things that i was right about.
and look im efforting.

like you do understand how an informed minority works right?

whereas the counterpoints are, hey look. TWIE didnt know the alignment of everyone in the game like i did. he must be scum.
because that makes sense.
no note that i also didnt want menno.
puts "didnt vote day 5" as a negative. i didnt contribute to either day 5 mislynches and the note here is, yeah but its bad that he didnt vote.

its like the most biased way you can attampt to frame these situations and i really didnt think it warranted a response other than a yawning smiley (which i still desperately need kison)

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how do i as scum end up in a situation where kison and uzi are both scum, claim a guilty on them and not have it be the ace of clubs?

you think ive claimed a guilty on a scum team member that doesnt stop the search for the ace of clubs and somehow thats a good play for me.

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like it would literally have been better to pick giga, claim he had the ace of clubs and that someone on his scumteam must have fed him an inventory result and probably lose the 1v1 than to bus a teammate and still have the ace be in play somewhere.

especially if you're attempting to imply that i have it.

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Being biased against someone who is in a dipole with you is not a mark against you.

the way you argue it is.

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because as town if i, and the person im 1v1ing both did something i would leave that out of the argument.

i would not bring it up as a positive for me, and spin it as a negative for them.

its a disingenuous argument.

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the inventory should have been on clubs and not the ace.

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id actually like to know who the driving force behind that inventory was.

but now its kinda late for that.

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Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

this is not remotely true. the mindset is whats different.

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IDK. What would clubs have told us? I'm guessing, that the suits have been truthfully claimed.

Thinking back now, I kinda wish we'd inventoried whichever club Uzi claims to have. Bet there are lots of them in the deck.

You can quote the PT a bit (checked with the mod to post Dunn's "let's kill Titus"). How much is not clearly defined AFAIK.

clubs tells us if the ace is hiding in a claimed club. which if it is, confirms uzi as scum.

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afaik

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if someone is hiding the ace as another non diamond suit clubs inventory tells us that too.

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Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

this is not remotely true. the mindset is whats different.

Town thinks: TWIE is confirmed scum. I must prove it.

Scum thinks: TWIE is town. I must prove he's scum.

They come at it from a different angle, but both must find anything they can that proves TWIE is scum. Maybe there's a difference, but I think it's going to lead to a pretty similar outcome. If anything, the town version's arguments might be

worse

; when they find something that looks kinda scummy, they know the opponent is scum, so have no real reason to examine it critically.

Yeah, I should think more about non-club hidey holes, actually. On that now.

bolded is wrong.

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Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

this is not remotely true. the mindset is whats different.

Town thinks: TWIE is confirmed scum. I must prove it.

Scum thinks: TWIE is town. I must prove he's scum.

They come at it from a different angle, but both must find anything they can that proves TWIE is scum. Maybe there's a difference, but I think it's going to lead to a pretty similar outcome. If anything, the town version's arguments might be

worse

; when they find something that looks kinda scummy, they know the opponent is scum, so have no real reason to examine it critically.

Yeah, I should think more about non-club hidey holes, actually. On that now.

bolded is wrong.

to follow up on this, i dont have to prove that kison is scum, my result does that for me.

i just have to show that im town. kison scum becomes apparent on its own.

scum kison has to prove that im scum.

thats why its different.

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wow i would not have posted that list of quotes like that

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kison/maxous/grey/{gerry/luv}

maybe?

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direct quotes from other places are usually just dont ever dos.

should always paraphrase them or talk to the mods first.

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like essentially you just proved that you have a neighborhood.

before we were just taking conftowns word for it.

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vecna has an additional card now too i believe

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I dunno kid I think what you desperately need is a new schtick & an upgrade of your witty banter arsenal.

no.

u.

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fukken gottem

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i assume its infuriating to lose a 1v1 to this.

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do we just know one more card coming up or whats going on with the top of the deck?

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its too bad nothing interesting happens on 5 for me to watch.

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vote: kison

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In post 6000, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 5999, Kison wrote:
I dunno kid I think what you desperately need is a new schtick & an upgrade of your witty banter arsenal.


no.

u.

You disappoint me!

now you just sound like my mother.

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huh.

broke the shit outta those quotes

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I dunno kid I think what you desperately need is a new schtick & an upgrade of your witty banter arsenal.

no.

u.

You disappoint me!

now you just sound like my mother.

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cant even pull a quote and make a simple joke.

no wonder everyones always disappointed in me.

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I thought about it some more last night & would like to know why this is deterring you. We know the AC is in the game. It's probably simply that both are in the game and he's holding the 6C while someone else has the AC. Saying I have the card he in fact has is the safe play: if the AC holder died before this was resolved, either via lynching outside the two of us or by the shuffle everyone was expecting(it was the plan going into night) yielding a trump that, say, activated Grey's vig, it would disqualify the fake result against me had he said I had the AC.

Yeah, I've gone back to thinking TWIE-scum with the ace elsewhere (almost certainly Uzi) works just fine. TWIE in this scenario might or might not hold the 6C. Either way, I think the result he claimed is very plausible for scum having to claim a card cop.

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literally any situation that you can think of that causes me to remove a club from the game that isnt the ace of clubs is a stupid thing to do.

just so you know.

you can keep bringing it up like its a possibility.

but its not.

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plus a bus in this situation is just so incredibly unlikely anyway.

so probably should stop thinking about any of those situations as well.

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so like im either town with a guilty on kison.

or im scum making up a guilty on kison to force the town into 48hr deadlines. but ive chosen not to use the ace of clubs as my bait card to make you mislynch because claiming that kison has another random card instead of a card that we know scum has is next next level.

because that makes sense.

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i tell you that kison has the ace.

because we know they have it.

duh?

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like theres no evidence of either a strongman kill or a roleblock. so telling you that kison has the 6 because its a scummy card in general and not the ace which theres definite proof that the scumteam has access too makes literally no fucking sense.

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literally.

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...wut.

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i claim someone has the ace.

we lynch him.

he doesnt have the ace.

what happens to me?

why am i ever worried about any future day beyond this one in the scenario where im scum and fake a guilty?

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like... i dont know what you're doing trying to think of a long term plan for me.

if kison doesnt flip with the exact cards i say he has, im clearly getting lynched tomorrow.

it doesnt matter where the ace is in that case.

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and if the ace is in LUVs hands this play is super bad for scum anyway so like.

why would i do it?

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actually i dunno about that last post.

i think i would heavily consider trading me and LUV for 48 hr deadlines.

disregard 6038.

its probably not that negative EV

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how.

would claiming.

that kison.

has a card.

that theres no evidence of.

over.

the card that we know the scumteam has.

be an easier argument to swing.

how.

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like.

i literally have no fucking clue what the fuck you're even on about at this point.

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Because you probably are holding it.

literally explain how this makes any fucking difference.

at all.

ever.

in any reality.

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okay but now do it an a way that would actually make sense.

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thats why its so funny that i caught scum.

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Kison is today

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Or me.


But I'm not sitting around and waiting to lose on 4c

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Cool so greys scum

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lights out means kison has to be lynched today or we lose on 4c

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scum kill plus grey shooting town is LYLO btw.

no stupid voting today

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77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat KH, KC, 3D
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison - Ks, 5c, 4h
13 - Maxous - Ah, 3h, 5h
17 - drealmerz7 - 9h, 3h
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
12 - TWIE 5c, 9c (missed 8s)

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77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat KH, KC, 3D
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison - Ks,

5c

6c, 4h
13 - Maxous - Ah, 3h, 5h
17 - drealmerz7 - 9h, 3h
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
12 - TWIE 5c, 9c (missed 8s)

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why did i consider the possibility that this game would open and people would like have suddenly stopped being stupid over night.

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like even if that was an option.

which its not.

why would we ever do that.

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like congrats on coming into the thread and suggesting the literal stupidest thing you could have.

found it in one try.

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how about you quit being an idiot and unvote.

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how about.

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you.

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quit being an idiot.

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and unvote.

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name the scumteam.

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thats cool.

unvote then.

cause if its grey theres a scenario where your vote loses us the game.

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yes there is.

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theres another possible one with me town, kison scum too that i dont feel like expanding on too.

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what if the two of you just shut the fuck up

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like no one cares about this fucking bullshit tunnel both of you have for each other for no fucking reason.

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oh woe is you someone scumreads you better self vote.

fucking find a different game to play or get the fuck over yourself.

jesus fucking christ.

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hey

hey dunn

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shut the fuck up

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yeah you're shit too.

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so you can also.

can you guess

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shut the fuck up

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hey i know you have trouble reading

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because of your opening post of the day

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like you clearly have no idea whats going on

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but try real hard on this next post

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shut the fuck up.

because no one fucking cares.

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like no one here is going to even consider how stupid either of you two are before the mafia kill and greys kill happen.

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you're both acting fucking retarded tbh.

my life is worse for having been in this game with both of you.

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i mean you obviously dont care about being competent at mafia either.

but here we are and youre playing so like what are you going to do.

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why.

would we do that.

pre 48hr.

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well then if someone can show that hes town that seems like an ideal situation then doesnt it.

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where if you show that hes town.

and then he gets shot.

thats clearly worse.

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sorry do you need me to split that up over several posts.

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so that its easier to understand?

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TheWayItEnds, at least me and Dunn are playing the game. You're having a big man baby fit for no reason lol. no one cares about your life bro, shut up and just play

im just going to sit here and enjoy the irony of this post.

no one bother me.

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alright.

now that im done enjoying the new dumbest post in the game.

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yeah i basically am.

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because the mechanics of the game havent suddenly changed from the same format that they have been all game.

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a game that youve been in from the start.

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with unchanged mechanics the whole time.

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shoot dunn

i dont get why we have to wait for maf to kill. why can't we just fuckign shoot and then lynch quickly.

why no shot

TheWayItEnds, at least me and Dunn are playing the game. You're having a big man baby fit for no reason lol. no one cares about your life bro, shut up and just play

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shoot dunn

i dont get why we have to wait for maf to kill. why can't we just fuckign shoot and then lynch quickly.

why no shot

TheWayItEnds, at least me and Dunn are playing the game. You're having a big man baby fit for no reason lol. no one cares about your life bro, shut up and just play

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ugh, I honestly don't feel good about a kison shot and gerry really might be the better shot at this point in the game

like is anyone in this game capable of thinking about things at all.

shooting kison immediately resolves my guilty because he flips immediately.

if he doesnt flip with the exact cards i said he has then we know i was lying and get to lynch me immediately

if you shoot gerry and he flips it gives us literally no game related information about anything.

this isnt that hard.

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oh and for the record when I saw the shot on kison my brain immediately jumped to it getting resolved when the mod saw it, I corrected myself and only made a dumb-post about it in the hood, but, I did it nonetheless and so gerry doing it...well...that doesn't make me feel better about myself I guess but it could make him feel better about himself!

luckily you didnt make like 3 posts about how you clearly have no understanding about the game and how it works and then tell someone else that they should just play the game like you are.

because imagine how stupid you would look.

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i could easily see grey scum.

im like real afraid that gerry is just really bad town.

i think vecnas lack of grasp on the gamestate makes him have to be town?

and not like in a "vecna is proposing things that like literally would not work from a scum perspective, like 3 people pretending to have a card that they dont know where any copies of actually are, or inventorying a worthless card, so hes probably town whos not thinking things all the way through" type of deal.

but more like a "i believe this person could be scum with access to perfect knowledge of the setup at this point and still be making posts like this because they could just be that bad" type of way.

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I guess a better way to put it would be that if I were in the position, I'd be hard-pressed to shoot someone I am TRing like I am Kison (I'm glad I'm not in the position) and if I HAD to choose between 2 TRs I could easier see myself to gerry than Kison because of his liability-factor

I understand the point about getting the information from the dipole on killing Kison, but, it's hard for me still because 1.) the shot is directed not free-will and 2.) some sort of both-scum gambit by you+kison still isn't RULED OUT (I'm not arguing that is the case, I'm saying it's not ruled out)

regardless, now I am just hoping kison is actually scum and that it was a good shot and looking to move forward once the 48hrs resolves

though I suppose we could argue for grey to switch the target/call it off if we wanted? but, yeah, I'm not arguing for that even at all - just talking

both of these posts are really stupid and it would have been better for you to have not made them.

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they're not good because the optimal play is to shoot kison.

resolve the mechanical dipole.

re-resolve the mechanical dipole by lynching me if need be

and then reassessing the gamestate.

you coming in here and going... well maybe we should shoot the person we get no information on instead because im badly townreading someone.

gives greyscum the excuse of going,

well i didnt shoot kison because a bunch of people didnt want me too. whoops, how did that turn out poorly.

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and saying you're nervous about shooting kison because he could be scum with me doesnt make any fucking sense.

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though I suppose we could argue for grey to switch the target/call it off if we wanted? but, yeah, I'm not arguing for that even at all - just talking

like this sentence is like straight scum.

so if you're not scum.

stop making posts like this.

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that sentence.

reads.

like you are fishing for support.

for not shooting someone who

is

scum.

but you're very careful to not fully commit to it.

you're just saying it.

to see if someone else will agree with you.

and then you can recommit to the idea.

it bleeds scum motivation.

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whereas kison is avoiding the thread like he should be if hes getting shot.

until maybe someone can sway public opinion away from shooting him.

and then he can show up and talk about how town he pretended to be

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so if you're not scum.

stop making posts like this

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yeah i was already expecting you to be shit and think of an excuse for shooting in not a protown way.

because youre shit and not protown

regardless of what color you flip.

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like you're going to go "twie was being mean" and thats why i acted like a fucking moron.

and people are just going to go yeah.

but you're still a fucking moron.

and im not seeing how this affects me in anyway.

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like we're still going to lynch you for not shooting kison.

so like whatever.

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It's kinda sad that you couldn't find a better post than "if grey is scum he'll try to avoid shooting kison for whatever stupid reason he can think of"

To use as your excuse for not shooting kison.

I mean just claim scum and save us some time.

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I don't have a royalty card.

You really are living down to my exact opinion of you.

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lol.

sweet theres no reason for scum to NK me now.

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hey grey talk me through your thought process here.

i say "if grey is scum he will be looking for an excuse to not shoot kison"

and you show up.

point to that exact post.

and go.

now im not shooting kison.