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Post Post #9302 (isolation #400) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:51 am

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Town is at a very tough spot, yes.
Not lynching Narna's "clears" (I am aware they are not actual clears), I thought was something that was subliminally agreed upon. I'm not necessarily agreeing to leaving out Narna's clears out of today's lynch pool either. Who's lynch are you for? We have limited time and we need a consensus on a lynch.
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Post Post #9307 (isolation #401) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:02 am

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At this late in the game when town is in such a precarious position, we need answers and we need them now.
I'm skeptical about this circle jerk because it could lead into even more confusion and less answers. I think in that situation it is very easily for someone to lie about their results and slide by through however much of this game is left.
Do I have a better idea? No. However, do I think better ideas exist? Yes.
Unfortunately, I think lynching someone within that circle jerk is our best option, it gives us truthful information immediately. Even one of Narna's "clears" could do.
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Post Post #9312 (isolation #402) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:30 am

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In post 9309, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9307, BigYoshiFan wrote:At this late in the game when town is in such a precarious position, we need answers and we need them now.
I'm skeptical about this circle jerk because it could lead into even more confusion and less answers. I think in that situation it is very easily for someone to lie about their results and slide by through however much of this game is left.
Do I have a better idea? No. However, do I think better ideas exist? Yes.
Unfortunately, I think lynching someone within that circle jerk is our best option, it gives us truthful information immediately. Even one of Narna's "clears" could do.
Lynching within the circle jerk is ridiculous. *blinks*

JaeReed is a dumb lynch because I can tell everyone how he checks. That makes me a dumb lynch. Similar for Narna and Gio. We learn more with them alive and deviates from the plan would be in trouble if we didn't discuss it before hand.

Time is ticking and I notice only those outside the clears have a problem with it. I wonder why.
Did we even hear from Gio or Narna about this? I think that that makes this statement invalid.
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Post Post #9316 (isolation #403) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:42 am

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Still, I don't think it's accurate to say that when we haven't heard from Gio or Narna.
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Post Post #9317 (isolation #404) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:51 am

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Just lynch someone and let Ank hammer. I think a NL will leave town at an even greater disadvantage.
VOTE: PV
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Post Post #9324 (isolation #405) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:17 am

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In post 9322, JaeReed wrote:
In post 9317, BigYoshiFan wrote:Just lynch someone and let Ank hammer. I think a NL will leave town at an even greater disadvantage.
VOTE: PV
Ok, so why Pere? Is there a case? This is just a vote on lynchbait disguised as a deadline lynch and it's so easy for scum to get away with that at this point.
He has votes and at this point, if we can get Ank to kill someone, that's better than a NL. Would you agree with that?
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Post Post #9346 (isolation #406) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:08 pm

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I can do Creeps too.
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Post Post #9347 (isolation #407) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:00 pm

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VOTE: Creeps20
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Post Post #9351 (isolation #408) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:37 pm

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Merry Christmas! :D
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Post Post #9367 (isolation #409) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:29 am

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So how about that Creeps20 lynch? Or literally anyone at all.
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Post Post #9486 (isolation #410) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:09 pm

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Agreed, I think Jaereed is town.
Also, does anyone know Creeps' flavor? Did you claim to have that knowledge Nahdia?
Also, rather than have Nahdia jail no one can we have them jail me? Is that a bad thing that I'd be protected?
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Post Post #9490 (isolation #411) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:11 pm

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Of course, sorry. *slams head* *grabs ice pack*
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Post Post #9495 (isolation #412) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:14 pm

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In post 9492, Nahdia wrote:It's fine.

BYF, I'm really not opposed to jailing you it's just, Jae is potentially cleared tonight so I kind of presumed I would be parking on them.
Yes, okay, sorry. I'm so slow today. *slaps himself* *grabs second ice pack*
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Post Post #9531 (isolation #413) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:33 pm

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LETS GO ANK!
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Post Post #9581 (isolation #414) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:50 pm

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Wonder why Narna was the scumkill, because they supposedly cleared townies or because that's what they want us to think.
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Post Post #9585 (isolation #415) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:59 pm

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I'm thinking it's true that not all scum members can kill, and Narna was killed to bolster the position of who they checked.
Also, Math and Gio team? Something that sprung up in my mind. Probably something I am missing that makes this obviously not true.
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Post Post #9588 (isolation #416) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:05 pm

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Fakeclaim to repel people from killing him?
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Post Post #9589 (isolation #417) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:08 pm

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i mean them
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Post Post #9592 (isolation #418) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:11 pm

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I think it could make sense. Math has been throwing out clears now that they need some way of clearing themselves before suspicion gets cast on them, and doing it now seems less suspicious.

I was under the assumption you were completely bulletproof. :roll:
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Post Post #9665 (isolation #419) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:43 am

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In post 9662, callforjudgement wrote:@
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As of this post the only hard town reads I have are A50 and JaeReed.
Not as strong townreads include your slot, Nahdia, and depending on what else I read and some question I will probably soon ask, maybe Ankamius.
I had a slight townread just by the tone of PV's posts, willing to discard that. More of a null until he's claimed.
SirCakez, Gio, and MathBlade are all wild cards for me. I'm having a hard time making scumreads because I still don't know for sure what factions exist or how results were tampered with. SirCakez probably the least scumread. Now, just some speculations I've made...
Convenient Gio checked MathBlade since Narna died and couldn't confirm a clear and also when they arguably need the clear the most now.
Gio acknowledges his lack of reads in his last post but makes no effort to make anymore, instead using his votes and lynches to defend himself.
CFJ townreads him for that.
MathBlade continuously defends themself by using Gio's clear as an alibi. Also thinks SirCakes is obvtown. How?
Has PV claimed yet? If not, could we at least wait for a claim before we start spouting PV IS GOING TO BE THE LYNCH, and perhaps instead asking for a claim? cough cough MathBlade

Also, my shift key is broken. I've had to copy and paste question marks from sources. I can capitalize but I can't use certain punctuation marks and it bugs me. Bare with me. XD
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Post Post #9666 (isolation #420) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:45 am

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Ankamius revealed his intentions in the neighborhood, right? Does anyone in the neighborhood scumread them?
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Post Post #9670 (isolation #421) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:52 am

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We're never gonna reach a consensus, are we?
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Post Post #9673 (isolation #422) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:56 am

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Have you explained why Cakez is town? I'm still not seeing it.
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Post Post #9677 (isolation #423) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:05 am

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What about the conditional bookie
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Post Post #9680 (isolation #424) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:08 am

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In post 9676, MathBlade wrote:Only Town wins with town. :facepalm: I don't think Ank is town.
Well, still, that is primary evidence that not all town has to win with town.
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Post Post #9684 (isolation #425) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:13 am

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In post 9555, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9551, callforjudgement wrote:
In post 9549, MathBlade wrote:So we know Narna got could not kills on Creeps slot and Nahdia slot and Accountant slot. JaeReed slot is out because of VT check claim Gio is out because of Maxous ascetic D2 check.
Can you explain the reasoning on Gio in more detail? I must have missed when that happened.
Gio claimed even night Weak Follower who followed Maxous N2 and Narna on N4. Narna having flipped Town means Gio can't have been lying to protect Narna. Either his entire claim is bogus and happened to guess with no evidence Maxous was ascetic or he is telling the truth.
Is this expressing a TR on Gio? Also, what stops Gio from being a mafia follower? He could have claimed this for towncred and tried to kill Narna N5, which failed, then decided again to kill Narna on N6. Given Narna's supposed derp, people weren't necessarily believing Narna's claims.
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Post Post #9686 (isolation #426) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:15 am

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In post 9683, callforjudgement wrote:@
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I can, but would you rather PV answer? I think there is a misunderstanding.

P-edit. Interesting... is it common knowledge that mafia and cult do not win together?
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Post Post #9689 (isolation #427) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:20 am

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In post 9687, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9684, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 9555, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9551, callforjudgement wrote:
In post 9549, MathBlade wrote:So we know Narna got could not kills on Creeps slot and Nahdia slot and Accountant slot. JaeReed slot is out because of VT check claim Gio is out because of Maxous ascetic D2 check.
Can you explain the reasoning on Gio in more detail? I must have missed when that happened.
Gio claimed even night Weak Follower who followed Maxous N2 and Narna on N4. Narna having flipped Town means Gio can't have been lying to protect Narna. Either his entire claim is bogus and happened to guess with no evidence Maxous was ascetic or he is telling the truth.
Is this expressing a TR on Gio? Also, what stops Gio from being a mafia follower? He could have claimed this for towncred and tried to kill Narna N5, which failed, then decided again to kill Narna on N6. Given Narna's supposed derp, people weren't necessarily believing Narna's claims.
At this point I doubt there is a group scum. Too many people are clear. I suspect all the evil is 3P.
And this third-party is Ank or PV or both? I'm confuzzled on your reads.
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Post Post #9692 (isolation #428) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:35 am

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Yeah, okay, now I'm investing my suspicions on PV.
VOTE: PeregrineV
I WANT A CLAIM. He claimed a dog though. What else is there?
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Post Post #9695 (isolation #429) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:40 am

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Two, and surprisingly, MathBlade was the first one. 0.0
They despised me sheeping them a while back and made clear he doesn't wanna vote on many occasions for that purpose. I wonder what changed.
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Post Post #9697 (isolation #430) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:42 am

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Okay, how about everyone else? You despised sheeping overall, yes?
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Post Post #9702 (isolation #431) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:46 am

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Did I not do that? What about everyone else who may vote just because? You avoided voting altogether because of that.

P-edit. When did Cakez become involved?
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Post Post #9704 (isolation #432) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:51 am

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Did I not vote with reasons?
Also, you completed avoided voting so other people would not sheep you, what's different here?
I didn't have much of an argument on SirCakez either, if any. I don't like how you brought them up.
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Post Post #9707 (isolation #433) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:57 am

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Didn't catch it was a response, sorry, but you've concluded that that is the best reason you can give for Cakez?
My vote now is verbatim what CFJ said, is that different?
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Post Post #9709 (isolation #434) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:18 pm

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Well, I think CFJ has hinted that he was a claim. PV being a dog is something he claimed himself. All in all, you're right though, it wasn't verbatim. I agreed with everything CFJ said in regards to what they said about PV, isn't that really what it's about.
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Post Post #9710 (isolation #435) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:20 pm

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In post 9709, BigYoshiFan wrote:Well, I think CFJ has hinted that
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Post Post #9712 (isolation #436) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:28 pm

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Fine. ONE MORE.
You avoided voting before to stop people from sheeping you at all via votes. Yes?
What's different here? The potential for people to sheep is still the same as before.
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Post Post #9716 (isolation #437) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:34 pm

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Okay, I'm done for now. Thank you.
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Post Post #9756 (isolation #438) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:35 pm

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VOTE: MathBlade
Don't trust him, don't trust Gio.
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Post Post #9757 (isolation #439) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:36 pm

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i mean them
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Post Post #9761 (isolation #440) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:40 pm

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VOTE: Giovanni
Fair enough.
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Post Post #9766 (isolation #441) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:44 pm

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Well, if Gio flips scum it doesn't necessarily mean Math is scum.
If Math flips scum then Gio is probably scum. Hmmm...
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Post Post #9770 (isolation #442) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:58 pm

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Why don't we just make a big chart explaining who cleared who and what happens if they flip scum and go from there?
Gio townflip clears MathBlade.
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Post Post #9772 (isolation #443) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:05 pm

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I'll take a crack at making one soon.
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Post Post #9820 (isolation #444) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:13 pm

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In post 9816, callforjudgement wrote:Currently the way I see things going, SirCakez is, if not confirmed as town somehow (and I'm not sure we have any way left to confirm him other than Gio's shot which will take far too long), most likely going to get lynched tomorrow. I'd say they're more of a near-certain lynch than A50 is. So if people generally agree with both lynches and are just looking to order them, I'd rather lynch SirCakez first. It seems much more likely that we'd get a scumflip there than by lynching A50, and we really badly need a scumflip at this point (both to make sense of the setup, and simply because it places us closer to winning).

PV, would you be willing to unvote A50? (A50, would you be willing to unvote yourself?) I know I said I wasn't planning to fight this lynch, but I changed my mind; pseudodeathproofing a townie really isn't worth spending a mislynch, especially as we have no idea how many mislynches we have left.

PEDIT: @SirCakez: Quickhammers are most effective when people don't hold you responsible for them. Given the number of people who either a) are being pressured to hammer by the rest of the thread, or b) have hammer-dependent roles, putting someone at L-1 in this game is very close to hammering, so placing them at L-2 is the best it's possible to do to increase the chances of someone's lynch whilst being able to blame it on someone else.

Also, I had a thought:
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hammer someone? (I know you're not capable of hammering, but what happens if you try?)
I don't mind a Cakez lynch.
I'd imagine that if I attempt to hammer nothing happens. I can't hammer.
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Post Post #9824 (isolation #445) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:02 pm

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Okay, I can try and hammer someone whenever the opportunity arrives.
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Post Post #9831 (isolation #446) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:36 pm

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In post 9828, callforjudgement wrote:So, a few hours ago, while offline, I had a realisation that might make sense of this game.

Is it possible that SirCakez, Mathblade, and Gio are all currently scum together (perhaps not over the entire course of the game)? Or am I missing something? This would seem to explain everything that didn't add up this game. If there's a night result contradicting that, let me know. Otherwise I'm going to try to build a case, because it seems to explain away a lot of anomalies I've been seeing. (This theory also has the advantage that it explains three scum; we'd expect to see either three or four at this stage of the game, given one scumflip, and thus it's quite possibly lylo.)
I have had thoughts similar to this.
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Post Post #9834 (isolation #447) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:20 pm

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Yeah, I'm not afraid to hammer. My vote won't count, it will just stay where it is.
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Post Post #9840 (isolation #448) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:44 pm

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At this point, I agree that a scumflip is more important than Jae's protection. I can confirm my inability to hammer on anyone.
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Post Post #9841 (isolation #449) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:46 pm

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In post 9838, MathBlade wrote:....This is horrible. I provide a plan to figure out people's alignments in the hood and all of a sudden a SirCakez wagon starts? That can't be a coincidence. Especially since CFJ expresses no problems with the plan in the hood then all of a sudden miraculously has problems with it. If we have enough confirmed townies post Maxous this game breaks.

Again me and Gio is dumb for reasons I already pointed out.

Me Gio and SirCakez is even crazier because then SirCakez as scum would give away a lot of scum power to town repeatedly ad infinitem. The only way SirCakez is scum is post Maxous and there would be 0 reason for me to bus post Maxous and same with Gio. I don't see scum leaving a can't kill check alive that long post Maxous. This theory requires me to be scum with Maxous alone preflip and bus him. I know I am good as scum but there is no way in hell I would try to win against that many people alone as a claimed Bulletproof.


That theory is just insane and either you are derping or don't want to confirm that many townies. I has a plan to confirm peoples. Give me a chance.
My poor high school brain cannot process what is being said here. Can you talk down for me?
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Post Post #9842 (isolation #450) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:49 pm

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At the moment, I don't care who the lynch is as long as it is in Math, Gio, or SirCakez. That theory is not fullproof and I think lynching Gio or Math would provide us with more interactions and "clears" to analyze, but because SirCakez has 2 votes and I don't see any potential for a Gio lynch I will move my vote.
VOTE: SirCakez
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Post Post #9843 (isolation #451) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:53 pm

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In post 9839, MathBlade wrote:We need to confirm Yoshi can't hammer and then JaeReed hammers so that way we have conf townie protected from the NK.
And in doing so we have a townie (most likely in my opinion) lynched and another night-killed (also, most likely in my opinion). I don't think we can afford that. Also, if it is a widespread opinion that A50 is town, then leaving him as the annoying dog doesn't seem as consequential as lynching him and making Jae the annoying dog.
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Post Post #9844 (isolation #452) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:59 pm

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Also, why did you post this plan in the neighborhood only? I would like to hear it.
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Post Post #9845 (isolation #453) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:04 pm

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The year past as I posted that. :O
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
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Post Post #9854 (isolation #454) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:18 pm

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In post 9851, SirCakez wrote:CFJ being scum trying to get the wagon off his scumbuddy A50 would make a shitload of sense here.
But not me?
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Post Post #9855 (isolation #455) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:20 pm

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A few things, MathBlade.
1. Is there any reason to believe that Maxous told the truth about who he blocked?
2. When you say "post-Maxous", what exactly do you mean?
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Post Post #9856 (isolation #456) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:22 pm

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Also, are you claiming that Gio is cleared because he called out Maxous as an ascetic?
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Post Post #9858 (isolation #457) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:34 pm

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In post 9508, SirCakez wrote: With all of the debate over A50, Yoshi and PV I think this is the safest bet for scum now
In post 8502, SirCakez wrote:
In post 8396, BigYoshiFan wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
1-shot Universal Doctor and Priestess
I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.
This claim seems fake as hell
In post 8400, BigYoshiFan wrote:Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.
Where did your scumread on me go?
In post 8457, Accountant wrote:yoshi is trolling because he's caught scum and wants to shit up the thread even more before he inevitably gets hammered in the hopes that people will be too unmotivated to catch his scum buddies
^ this
Like I can't see why he's spam so much garbage like if he was legit town

I think town in this scenario would be a lot more cooperative, no?
In post 9553, SirCakez wrote:Narna/Creeps FFS
Not Chara town flip is unsurprising though
Since Narna was town that basically confirms an investigation result manipulator I believe?

I think scum is in (A50, PV, Callforjudgement, Ank) at this point, with a small chance of Yoshi scum if there was a nokill gambit to "clear" him.
Yes, you clearly thought I was townie for my claim.
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Post Post #9865 (isolation #458) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:55 pm

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In post 9861, MathBlade wrote:This also means that if Maxous was not the killer at the start of the game it has to be Ank or Nahdia FMPOV.
Whom you are both accusing as being third-party members, correct?
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Post Post #9868 (isolation #459) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:57 pm

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In post 9860, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9856, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, are you claiming that Gio is cleared because he called out Maxous as an ascetic?
Partially but also how he did. Shiro was an outed rolecop and wasn't killed. This gives credence to Gio Town as well as if Gio was lying about being a weak follower Shiro would have been a threat N3. Instead he is able to check Cakez and be in the hood. This means Gio was not with Maxous.
I'm sorry, I still don't understand. Shiro was kept alive; therefore, Gio is more townie?
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Post Post #9876 (isolation #460) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:26 pm

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In post 9846, MathBlade wrote:Posting it outside the hood murders one of the reaction tests.

Spoiler:
Assume SirCakez is scum with Maxous preflip. Then SirCakez gave bodyguard to CFJ and hit a VT with one item and again with a second but was roleblocked by Maxous. I forget who he hit N3 I am not in front of my notes but why would scum block themselves. That makes no sense. So if SirCakez is scum it is either SK or post Maxous. Pre Maxous is insane.

Assume Gio is scum with Maxous preflip. Then he hits Maxous and confirms him as ascetic D2 because ? Maxous lies because ? There is no reason for Maxous to make a lie except when Nahdia claimed N4. Before that point there were no obvious contradictions. If Maxous was scum with Maxous why confirm the psychologist who would be an easy mislynch when Maxous was claimed ascetic.

Furthermore assume I am scum with Maxous preflip. People were fucking confused and didn't have any idea what was going on. I would have 0 reason not to push Narna. Instead I broke down everywhere Maxous lied. Furthermore Creature was obviously BP hunting for another BP because he would clearly know that person isn't Town because two Town BP in a setup like this is bullshit.

Therefore in that world we would be hunting one person to lynch the entire fucking game which makes me even more confirmed town. So gist is we need JaeReed alive and to make it to end game I do not trust Nahdia can actually Jailkeep and therefore we need JaeReed immune to kills.
There are many things that baffle me about this post. I'm in need of sleep, but I need more clarification. Under what assumptions are you basing these off of?
You are assuming that there was a scumteam pre-Maxous flip. You are assuming that Maxous had allies that both he and his allies were aware of. Those are the main assumptions I am concerned about, the ones regarding this game's scumteam(s). I would appreciate some clarification on your view of what you think was the meaning of Maxous' "new faction" and how it affected the game's setup.

Also, another assumption you've made:
- The scumteam that existed before Maxous' lynch did not have the ability to kill. (I think I've heard you mention this before, also you can't say SirCakez could be a SK and acknowledge that only one kill has occurred each night if the scumteam had the ability to kill.)

Also, I don't recall how Maxous lied regarding anything with Gio. Could you remind me, and how Nahdia's N4 claim is relevant?

Lastly, a response to this:
"If Maxous was scum with Maxous why confirm the psychologist who would be an easy mislynch when Maxous was claimed ascetic."
I assume you mean Gio instead of the first time you mention "Maxous." It could be for towncred and/or that Narna's role was weaker than it appeared or misleading and the scumteam knew it. It could be for towncred when they kill Narna the next day when everyone witnesses Narna's flip, but Narna survived N5 because of me.
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Post Post #9879 (isolation #461) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:30 pm

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In post 9869, MathBlade wrote:Exactly. If Gio was lying about being a weak follower Shiro could have confirmed that by hitting him. As scum it is much too high a risk to keep someone alive who can confirm you are a liar. Hence Gio is more townie yes.
COULD. Key word: COULD. When did Gio claim? They could have night killed Shiro before the opportunity arrived, but Shiro was lynched. Did Shiro believe them? Probably since they know they are town. There may be no need to kill Shiro for that reason if Shiro explicitly townread them. Not sure on much of this because I don't recall much of Shiro's posts or when Gio claimed.
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Post Post #9898 (isolation #462) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:27 am

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VOTE: A50
Won't count. A50, get your damn vote of yourself!
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Post Post #9899 (isolation #463) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:28 am

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In post 9898, BigYoshiFan wrote:VOTE: A50
Won't count. A50, get your damn vote
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Post Post #9900 (isolation #464) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:30 am

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This is stupid. We have a consensus that A50 is town. It's not worth lynching a (probably) townie and most likely getting another killed at night.
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Post Post #9901 (isolation #465) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:37 am

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In post 9895, Nahdia wrote:VOTE: a50

ok i trust u i guess. sorry i've been pretty absent this day.
Just like that? Really?
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Post Post #9902 (isolation #466) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:41 am

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In post 9882, MathBlade wrote:Shiro was lynched not killed D4. This strongly implies that Gio is telling the truth about being weak.
How?


In contrast this does not apply for Nahdia because SK's generally get some sort of investigation immunity which presents like a block (1 shot, ascetic, something...) especially in a 20+ player game.

Shiro is a good PR person. He would check. Hell he jailkept me 5 (I think) times in Mass Effect Mafia.
Not if he townread Gio, probably. They had Night 3 to target Gio but targeted... who? I have something written here but I made it quite confusing. Shiro targeted Narna N3?
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Post Post #9904 (isolation #467) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:44 am

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In post 9876, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 9846, MathBlade wrote:Posting it outside the hood murders one of the reaction tests.

Spoiler:
Assume SirCakez is scum with Maxous preflip. Then SirCakez gave bodyguard to CFJ and hit a VT with one item and again with a second but was roleblocked by Maxous. I forget who he hit N3 I am not in front of my notes but why would scum block themselves. That makes no sense. So if SirCakez is scum it is either SK or post Maxous. Pre Maxous is insane.

Assume Gio is scum with Maxous preflip. Then he hits Maxous and confirms him as ascetic D2 because ? Maxous lies because ? There is no reason for Maxous to make a lie except when Nahdia claimed N4. Before that point there were no obvious contradictions. If Maxous was scum with Maxous why confirm the psychologist who would be an easy mislynch when Maxous was claimed ascetic.

Furthermore assume I am scum with Maxous preflip. People were fucking confused and didn't have any idea what was going on. I would have 0 reason not to push Narna. Instead I broke down everywhere Maxous lied. Furthermore Creature was obviously BP hunting for another BP because he would clearly know that person isn't Town because two Town BP in a setup like this is bullshit.

Therefore in that world we would be hunting one person to lynch the entire fucking game which makes me even more confirmed town. So gist is we need JaeReed alive and to make it to end game I do not trust Nahdia can actually Jailkeep and therefore we need JaeReed immune to kills.
There are many things that baffle me about this post. I'm in need of sleep, but I need more clarification. Under what assumptions are you basing these off of?
You are assuming that there was a scumteam pre-Maxous flip. You are assuming that Maxous had allies that both he and his allies were aware of. Those are the main assumptions I am concerned about, the ones regarding this game's scumteam(s).
I would appreciate some clarification on your view of what you think was the meaning of Maxous' "new faction" and how it affected the game's setup.

Also, another assumption you've made:
- The scumteam that existed before Maxous' lynch did not have the ability to kill. (I think I've heard you mention this before, also you can't say SirCakez could be a SK and acknowledge that only one kill has occurred each night if the scumteam had the ability to kill.)

Also, I don't recall how Maxous lied regarding anything with Gio. Could you remind me, and how Nahdia's N4 claim is relevant?


Lastly, a response to this:
"If Maxous was scum with Maxous why confirm the psychologist who would be an easy mislynch when Maxous was claimed ascetic."
I assume you mean Gio instead of the first time you mention "Maxous." It could be for towncred and/or that Narna's role was weaker than it appeared or misleading and the scumteam knew it. It could be for towncred when they kill Narna the next day when everyone witnesses Narna's flip, but Narna survived N5 because of me.
Awaiting responses for these questions/comments, especially the first.
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Post Post #9906 (isolation #468) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:54 am

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In post 9905, Ankamius wrote:But go ahead, keep using Maxous not directly being part of town despite the fact that we still don't actually know whether lynching him actually helped us at all or not.
Good point.
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Post Post #9910 (isolation #469) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:08 pm

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Hammer didn't count. I rest my case.
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Post Post #9912 (isolation #470) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:10 pm

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In post 9907, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9902, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 9882, MathBlade wrote:Shiro was lynched not killed D4. This strongly implies that Gio is telling the truth about being weak.
How?


In contrast this does not apply for Nahdia because SK's generally get some sort of investigation immunity which presents like a block (1 shot, ascetic, something...) especially in a 20+ player game.

Shiro is a good PR person. He would check. Hell he jailkept me 5 (I think) times in Mass Effect Mafia.
Not if he townread Gio, probably. They had Night 3 to target Gio but targeted... who? I have something written here but I made it quite confusing. Shiro targeted Narna N3?
How? -- Asked and answered.
Rolecop is used irrelevant of reads if someone claimed. If Shiro had lived he would have been a threat.
Shiro didn't check Gio, given the opportunity N3. Shiro checked SirCakez even though they didn't claim by N2. Shiro (possibly) checked Narna N3, did Narna claim before then?
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Post Post #9913 (isolation #471) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:11 pm

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DON'T HAMMER. FFS DO NOT HAMMER.
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Post Post #9915 (isolation #472) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:26 pm

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Look at all the people on this wagon. Look at the lack of opposition for this wagon. It can't be this easy to lynch A50 if he was scum.
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Post Post #9919 (isolation #473) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:33 pm

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In post 9916, SirCakez wrote:If there is a 4-person scumteam then everyone not on the A50 wagon (besides Yoshi) would be conftown I think?
Nahdia's lack of presence in game is starting to bother me.

P-edit: Lack of opposition? Then what the heck is the wagon on me?
How did you come to that conclusion?
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Post Post #9922 (isolation #474) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:37 pm

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In post 9920, SirCakez wrote:Which one?
All of them.
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Post Post #9925 (isolation #475) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:05 pm

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You believe A50 is town, what's the need to lynch him and give scum another night to kill? To save Jae? Is that better than having a possible scum lynch and having Jae killed?
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Post Post #9931 (isolation #476) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:23 pm

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How the hell do you confuse 4 and 10?
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Post Post #9939 (isolation #477) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:32 pm

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So, Ank, what happens if you hammer again?
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Post Post #9941 (isolation #478) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:46 pm

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I think they're setting up Gio for the late game.
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Post Post #9953 (isolation #479) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:34 pm

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In post 9950, SirCakez wrote:Because PV has a "legit claim" despite the fact it completely relies on revealed info and isn't AI
PV softed his role before there were any claimed dogs. I remember seeing it, don't remember where.
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Post Post #9955 (isolation #480) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:37 pm

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He's been passing out things, yes, but that isn't alignment indicative.
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Post Post #9957 (isolation #481) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:39 pm

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Got me there. I townread PV more though.
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Post Post #9968 (isolation #482) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:51 am

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PV looks like desperate lynchbait. I don't trust you, so that answer doesn't satisfy me.
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Post Post #10015 (isolation #483) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:08 am

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^^ scumposting
Jae doesn't see Math's lynch as plausible, which makes sense to me.
I LOVE YOU JAEREED AND CFJ. YOU TWO LITERALLY PUT ALL OF MY DOUBTS AND THOUGHTS INTO WORDS FOR ME!
I would rather have a Math lynch, but SirCakez is at L-1 so... hm.
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Post Post #10016 (isolation #484) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:09 am

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In post 10013, Ankamius wrote:I'd also like to point out that by the same token, Giovanni's role doesn't make sense either.
Completely agreed on Math, but how on Gio?
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Post Post #10017 (isolation #485) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:13 am

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In post 10005, MathBlade wrote:Nahdia went along with it in a simple one word gotcha post.

And I wonder why you would object to Nahdia if she is a Jailkeeper protecting the last useful PR we would have left.

Or is it that you know she isn't a Jailkeeper.
If you can throw out the mechanical conf townieness I have through Gio I can ignore the VT claims because oooooh I think like JaeReed
because all I do is post while drunk
and I should take a step back and think but nooo I am going to push Math because I don't like how they play and they won't vote who I think is scum so they have to be scum with me.

You realize Almost50 is off the damn wagon and you townread Almost50. If this was LyLO Almost50 would be scum.

I highly doubt this is LyLO. Man if I didn't have that VT confirmation
I would say it would be you and CFJ
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On and Ank another townread of yours not on the wagon. Wtf are you doing in your own proposed LyLO
voting with a scumread of yours Gio
? You make no sense right now. If I was a cop I would pull you over for posting while intoxicated and leverage a no posting anywhere til sober fine.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #10019 (isolation #486) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:15 am

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VOTE: MathBlade
I'm gonna leave this here and see how many people follow, I seriously would prefer them over SirCakez now.
Also, Ank, what benefits do you gain from another hammer?

P-edit: I see.
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Post Post #10027 (isolation #487) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:31 am

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In post 10017, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 10005, MathBlade wrote:Nahdia went along with it in a simple one word gotcha post.

And I wonder why you would object to Nahdia if she is a Jailkeeper protecting the last useful PR we would have left.

Or is it that you know she isn't a Jailkeeper.
If you can throw out the mechanical conf townieness I have through Gio I can ignore the VT claims because oooooh I think like JaeReed
because all I do is post while drunk
and I should take a step back and think but nooo I am going to push Math because I don't like how they play and they won't vote who I think is scum so they have to be scum with me.

You realize Almost50 is off the damn wagon and you townread Almost50. If this was LyLO Almost50 would be scum.

I highly doubt this is LyLO. Man if I didn't have that VT confirmation
I would say it would be you and CFJ
.

On and Ank another townread of yours not on the wagon. Wtf are you doing in your own proposed LyLO
voting with a scumread of yours Gio
? You make no sense right now. If I was a cop I would pull you over for posting while intoxicated and leverage a no posting anywhere til sober fine.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
"Or is it that you know [they aren't] a Jailkeeper."

You were pretty convinced that they weren't a jailkeeper and that jailing someone with a PR would be the way to confirm them, why are you having an issue now?

"because all I do is post while drunk"

This is pretty AtE or emotional in itself in the context its written in. It was... what, a few posts? You're using that to describe "everything" JaeReed does?

"I would say it would be you and CFJ"

Convenient you added CFJ in there, since I do recall you defending them since Narna cleared them and they were backing up JaeReed.

"voting with a scumread of yours Gio"

Any post you have where you have direct conversation with Gio looks like distancing to me, this looks like a desperate attempt to do so.
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Post Post #10029 (isolation #488) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:33 am

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You could have saved that self-vote for later and I might have been more swayed.
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Post Post #10033 (isolation #489) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:52 am

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In post 10031, MathBlade wrote:\\
First paragraph I have no problem with the plan others do.
What?

Second paragraph exaggeration heard of it?
Yes. Why is it useful here? It's a last resort to try to discredit someone.

Third I said if I ignored mechanics and logic. I don't.
What?

Fourth I said Gio is a scumread of JaeReeds. I have and do townread him.
Seems like a dumb reason to ask him to get off of SC. Wouldn't it be great if, in a game like this, everyone's scumreads stayed off their wagon?
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Post Post #10036 (isolation #490) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:57 am

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????????????????
What am I misinterpreting? And if I am, asking questions or making comments should answer it, right?
Honestly, if I did that, I wouldn't be posting at all.
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Post Post #10040 (isolation #491) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:06 am

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In post 10039, MathBlade wrote:Pretty much if you think SirCakez is scum you are betting on it not being LyLO
I understand this now.
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Post Post #10042 (isolation #492) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:08 am

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Actually I don't, but I wanna get criticism for it so I'm just gonna shut up.
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Post Post #10045 (isolation #493) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:11 am

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In post 10042, BigYoshiFan wrote:Actually I don't, but I
don't
wanna get criticism for it so I'm just gonna shut up.
EBWOP
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Post Post #10048 (isolation #494) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:16 am

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I legitimately thought I understood at the moment.
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Post Post #10063 (isolation #495) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:11 pm

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VOTE: SirCakez
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Post Post #10075 (isolation #496) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:10 pm

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In post 10073, Ankamius wrote:BigYoshiFan: Do you have anything related to your role outside of the one-shot all-doctor?
I don't.
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Post Post #10112 (isolation #497) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:26 pm

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You hammer if you think it's necessary, irrespective of your consequential appearance.
I find that a bit scummy too btw.
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Post Post #10114 (isolation #498) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:29 pm

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What did I do now?
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Post Post #10116 (isolation #499) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:32 pm

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Sure, fine, whatever.
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Post Post #10118 (isolation #500) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:39 pm

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I'm sorry too. I'm just really frustrated with the gamestate.
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Post Post #10133 (isolation #501) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:18 pm

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@Mod: I will be V/LA until January 12th.

I might be able to post more as next week progresses.
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Post Post #10135 (isolation #502) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:40 pm

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I think that Jae surviving gives more legitimacy to Nahdia's JK claim.
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Post Post #10140 (isolation #503) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:04 pm

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Well, I don't know if I can believe that Math, SirCakez, Nahdia, and Gio are all scum (in the same scumteam for that matter).
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Post Post #10142 (isolation #504) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:12 pm

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Ank, do you not gain benefits from hammers anymore or... what?
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Post Post #10143 (isolation #505) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:15 pm

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Actually, Ank looked like they were trying to avoid any interaction with SirCakez's lynch.
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Post Post #10147 (isolation #506) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:35 pm

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In post 10145, Almost50 wrote: That was Mathblade claiming BP to claim they were shot at thus earning town credit. Such claim (being shot at) was nullified by Yoshi's claim.
Yeah, this has me suspicious of Math. I found it when I was reading their ISO, then they started to believe me at 9548 because there was a scum kill, but if they claim (or think it's very probable that) they were shot, then... how does a scumkill clear me from their POV?
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Post Post #10148 (isolation #507) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:43 pm

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In post 10146, Almost50 wrote: Tell me something: Why did you track Nahdia and not Ank?? I mean, you did suspect him more, right? And he didn't hammer scum, so I would have tried to verify HIM over Nahdia if I were you.. (if I were TOWN!Yo, that is) ;)
Ehhh, I don't know if I agree with this.
They would have a much better chance at confirming Nahdia than incriminating Ank in my opinion, even if they were more suspicious of Ank I think verifying Nahdia would make more sense.
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Post Post #10155 (isolation #508) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:01 pm

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Also worth pointing out that I asked Ank that (possibly twice) without an answer.
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Post Post #10272 (isolation #509) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:08 pm

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I really can't deny anything A50 has said there.
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Post Post #10274 (isolation #510) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:15 pm

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VOTE: MathBlade
Okay, but I'm going to be a bit skittish with this vote.
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Post Post #10277 (isolation #511) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:20 pm

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I still want to hear more from Gio, maybe some more from PV and Ank. It all seems kinda one-sided right now. Something just doesn't feel right.
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Post Post #10284 (isolation #512) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:49 pm

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In post 10283, Ankamius wrote:Jesus fucking christ.

Don't assume that Godfather is the most standard version. It has already been
proven
that Miller doesn't, so why would we start assuming godfather does?
Good point. :/
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Post Post #10287 (isolation #513) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:51 pm

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Or really anybody's, as you've been trying to emphasize as well.
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Post Post #10291 (isolation #514) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:49 pm

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Or to discredit me when I first displayed my suspicions of Math.
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Post Post #10315 (isolation #515) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:18 am

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In post 10283, Ankamius wrote:Jesus fucking christ.

Don't assume that Godfather is the most standard version. It has already been
proven
that Miller doesn't, so why would we start assuming godfather does?
@PV
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Post Post #10316 (isolation #516) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:26 am

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You and PV just vote Gio out of the blue? :/
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Post Post #10426 (isolation #517) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:30 am

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In post 10359, Ankamius wrote:Oh my god.

We've already proven that Miller doesn't use the most standard variant, so we cannot assume that any other modifier used in the game is using the most standard variant either.
You're also assuming that the player you keep insisting is scum had to have been telling the truth, even though it is entirely possible that Maxous wanted to be lynched and covered for Giovanni.
This, right here. This is what I've been thinking reading up to this post.
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Post Post #10430 (isolation #518) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:36 am

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In post 10388, Ankamius wrote:UNVOTE: Mathblade

I want hammer.
What do you get when you do?
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Post Post #10433 (isolation #519) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:42 am

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Didn't you at one time say that PV had to be a 3P?
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Post Post #10439 (isolation #520) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:48 am

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If I think I'm understanding what you're saying, then you're making conclusions assuming that you're town and that Maxous did not want to be lynched. I don't know... maybe the optimal play for the scumteam was to have Maxous lynched. You're pushing these assumptions and forcing them as "facts" and it is confusing the shit out of me.
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Post Post #10444 (isolation #521) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:01 pm

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In post 7164, SirCakez wrote:@math I think it's Gio/Narna/A50/Max/one of the lurkers (prob the massive slot)

VOTE: maxous
Actually, SirCakez DID vote Maxous and did not unvote up to Maxous' lynch.
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Post Post #10445 (isolation #522) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:03 pm

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In post 7154, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:Also, for the record, I was the first one to mention that the results received are/might be shaky.
In post 7105, SirCakez wrote: Why do you want to be lynched????
For the same reason that I wouldn't have a problem lynching Narna at the time of my vote taking into account the game-state back then, which is the same reason I had advocated for my lynch as a Townie in a game where I replaced in a very scummy slot;

I belive that Town as a whole > Each individual Townie. If flipping a Townie (myself included) helps the Town to overall gamesolve, then I am ok with it.


Not much discussion is going on. There are no valid counter-theories to Mathblade's, so

VOTE: Maxous
So did Gio, he didn't unvote up to Maxous' lynch either.
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Post Post #10446 (isolation #523) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:04 pm

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Uhhhhhh, weird coincidence or something scum-related?
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Post Post #10449 (isolation #524) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:06 pm

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In post 10446, BigYoshiFan wrote:Uhhhhhh, weird coincidence or something scum-related?
By this, I mean neither of them were included to have voted Maxous in Skull's VC of Maxous' lynch.
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Post Post #10450 (isolation #525) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:06 pm

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Oh wait, is that where the mysterious thing happened where everyone's votes came off?
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Post Post #10452 (isolation #526) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:10 pm

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So... when I was getting that info I look at the VC @ Maxous lynch (by clicking "Day 5 ends with Maxous' lynch," under "important events" in the first post.
I looked through SC's ISO and Gio's ISO and saw a vote for Maxous before the post of the VC mentioned above with no unvote.
I'm pretty sure this is where you claimed to be shot and that's why the VC reset.
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Post Post #10453 (isolation #527) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:11 pm

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And that would be after both SC and Gio voted for Maxous so that's why they aren't shown voting him in the VC I referenced. I didn't see it personally but I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Ignore all of this. XD
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Post Post #10455 (isolation #528) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:15 pm

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Well A50 has made his lynch pretty unappealing too.
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Post Post #10458 (isolation #529) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:18 pm

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Well, while that portion makes sense, I don't think his play up until now aligns with a jester.
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Post Post #10462 (isolation #530) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:21 pm

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In post 10461, Ankamius wrote:Read the neighborhood, BYF.
In case y'all didn't know, SURPRISE!
Was it revealed publicly yet? XD
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Post Post #10469 (isolation #531) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:29 pm

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Does that matter if he can prove he's voted everyone here?
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Post Post #10496 (isolation #532) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:54 pm

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In post 10494, MathBlade wrote:
In post 10489, Ankamius wrote:Are you serious, Mathblade?

1 Third party with the only nightkill in the game
1 Third party that cults two people when they die
18 town

Really?
Yes. Very serious.
Like... How serious?
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Post Post #10500 (isolation #533) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:04 pm

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In post 10497, MathBlade wrote:Willing to keep fighting serious even though I am just waiting for someone to vote me serious so then Ank doesn't get hammers serious.

There were very few if any antitowns at the start of the game.
You're actually gonna self-vote so Ank can't hammer. Wow.
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Post Post #10505 (isolation #534) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:14 pm

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Nahdia is confirmed town for visiting Jae? I must leave now, and I'm sorry if this is an incredibly stupid question.
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Post Post #10627 (isolation #535) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:03 am

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In post 10626, MathBlade wrote:Because fake claiming D2 and then not killing the JK or outed rolecop is not something scum!Gio would do.

Because scum Gio would not when I replaced in would not do what in essence is a guilty on Maxous.

If Gio is scum it had to be during N5 if at all in which case it looks like he would be weak.

Said that multiple times.
I can understand what your saying here, but I don't agree.
There are too many variables at that time that makes this less reputable.
I can't think of any in particular, but the environment that the game has impressed upon me has me immediately shaking my head to statements like these.
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Post Post #10629 (isolation #536) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:48 am

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It's not the environment that makes you scum (or at least not completely), it's your play.
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Post Post #10630 (isolation #537) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:55 am

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The environment I'm referring to is the roles. What I gather from this environment, which is actually something that you tried to promote pre-Maxous, is that you can't let the roles have a large influence on your play because the game implies that they're misleading. Pre-Maxous, you were all about the facts and never made assumptions on the premise that you were town because that wouldn't appeal to us and to us, it's not a fact. Your play changed. I'm not confident enough to say that it changed after Maxous was flipped, but it really strikes to me as incriminating of you.
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Post Post #10638 (isolation #538) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:14 pm

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How about switching your vote to MathBlade, Nahdia?
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Post Post #10642 (isolation #539) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:44 pm

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In post 10641, Ankamius wrote:I'm not interested in the back and forths anymore. They long since stopped being productive.
Agreed.
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Post Post #10645 (isolation #540) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:20 pm

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Why Ank over PV?
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Post Post #10650 (isolation #541) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:39 pm

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God dammit, I'm sorry MathBlade. :(
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Post Post #10693 (isolation #542) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:06 pm

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You can see the disgust in my new avi
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Post Post #10694 (isolation #543) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:08 pm

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Who'd you follow Gio?
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Post Post #10696 (isolation #544) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:15 pm

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Did you crumb at all that you were following them?
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Post Post #10697 (isolation #545) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:15 pm

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Oh, and thank you!
I'm legal to drive now! XD
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Post Post #10699 (isolation #546) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:21 pm

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I guess... when I was thinking of who you would follow, it didn't come as self-explanatory to me.
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Post Post #10701 (isolation #547) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:22 pm

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And, well, if they were the only PR that had some use and were town, then it would make sense for them to be NK'ed.
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Post Post #10702 (isolation #548) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:24 pm

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Thank you A50! That image isn't loading for me unfortunately.
I'll be gone for most of my birthday FYI.
For me, it's 5:24pm on the 14th, so that won't be for a while.
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Post Post #10704 (isolation #549) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:31 pm

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I see it now. XD
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Post Post #10718 (isolation #550) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:10 pm

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In post 10717, PeregrineV wrote:Monday checkin back later
^^^^
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Post Post #10734 (isolation #551) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:37 am

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I find it hard to believe that if you're town you'd be pushing for your lynch like this, because no one is suggesting it.
But for that same reason, I find it hard to believe that you're scum.
BUT it ALL makes sense if you're a jester.
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Post Post #10749 (isolation #552) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:43 pm

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Was your vig phase not 1-shot? Dunno why I assumed it was.
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Post Post #10750 (isolation #553) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:46 pm

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In post 10747, PeregrineV wrote: You misplayed the role 3 times in a row. Both aspects of your claimed role. So 6 times. Even after being called out on it by me the first time.

I don't believe in the Max cult thing, so scum since the beginning.
I get that he misplayed the "weak" modifier, but how in just being a watcher?
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Post Post #10754 (isolation #554) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:35 am

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In post 10750, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 10747, PeregrineV wrote: You misplayed the role 3 times in a row. Both aspects of your claimed role. So 6 times. Even after being called out on it by me the first time.

I don't believe in the Max cult thing, so scum since the beginning.
I get that he misplayed the "weak" modifier, but how in just being a watcher?
My mind is set on Gio atm, I just wanna hear a response to this.
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Post Post #10755 (isolation #555) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:37 am

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In post 10751, Ankamius wrote:
In post 10749, BigYoshiFan wrote:Was your vig phase not 1-shot? Dunno why I assumed it was.
sigh
So, you are a full vig in this state? I wonder what your next one is. O.O
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Post Post #10756 (isolation #556) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:41 am

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Is anyone opposed to lynching Gio?
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Post Post #10757 (isolation #557) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:06 pm

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In post 10753, Almost50 wrote:Guys, we need to either TALK, or we need to VOTE. I don't think any discussion is going to change anyone's mind at this point, though.. but if it could then let's have it. No need to wait for 5-6 more days and say "Ooops! Crunch time. Let's just lynch X bc we have no time to think it over!!"
Where's your vote then?
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Post Post #10759 (isolation #558) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:06 pm

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In post 10758, Ankamius wrote:This entire page is giving me a huge chill in my spine.
This post is giving me a huge chill up my spine. :shifty:
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Post Post #10769 (isolation #559) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:30 am

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In post 10753, Almost50 wrote:Guys, we need to either TALK, or we need to VOTE. I don't think any discussion is going to change anyone's mind at this point, though.. but if it could then let's have it. No need to wait for 5-6 more days and say "Ooops! Crunch time. Let's just lynch X bc we have no time to think it over!!"
Everything I said after this was an attempt to promote discussion because I agreed with this. 10763 makes Gio's lynch looks a bit less appealing now. I like the reasoning he's made with clearing MathBlade.
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Post Post #10781 (isolation #560) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:12 am

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In post 10777, JaeReed wrote:I kind of think it's Yoshi?
Why?
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Post Post #10782 (isolation #561) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:28 am

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In post 10780, PeregrineV wrote: If everyone wants to say anyone could have been converted to scum, then if I were Maxous, I'd convert the strongest roles, like Inventor, investigator, etc.
So, who do you think would be converted to scum based on this? JaeReed was cleared as vanilla, but cleared again by MathBlade which means they weren't culted. Gio had his claim out there. Ank had his claim out there (I think). I hadn't claimed. You didn't claim. A50... uhhhh, he had his roleclaim out there but not his role's function I believe.
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Post Post #10783 (isolation #562) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:32 am

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If A50 is jester, we hunt scum.
If A50 is town, we hunt scum.
Isn't it that simple?
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Post Post #10784 (isolation #563) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:37 am

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In post 10771, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 10750, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 10747, PeregrineV wrote: You misplayed the role 3 times in a row. Both aspects of your claimed role. So 6 times. Even after being called out on it by me the first time.

I don't believe in the Max cult thing, so scum since the beginning.
I get that he misplayed the "weak" modifier, but how in just being a watcher?
His last one was watching the town player that claimed jailkeeper? Just like Mathblade the night before? I don't get the point, nor the town motivation in doing so.

Who were his first 2 again, and I can probably tell why they were crap, or admit they weren't.

But the important part, the "weak" part, was misplayed so horribly it makes it hard to believe Gio is town.
His first two were Maxous and Narna.
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Post Post #10785 (isolation #564) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:46 am

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In post 10775, JaeReed wrote: 2) My question was serious, yes. I wanted to know whether I was actively hindering A50's ability to win the game by insisting he live. He was either town or jester. If town then I don't want him lynched. If Jester it becomes a question of whether I believe it's mylo/lylo.
If A50 was a jester, why would he reveal?
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Post Post #10787 (isolation #565) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:14 pm

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In post 10786, Almost50 wrote:
In post 10785, BigYoshiFan wrote:If A50 was a jester, why would he reveal?
Because if I was I'd need to get lynched to win, which -at this point- would coincide with the Town win con (lynch ALL non-Town). If I was a Jester it would be 4-1-1 at this time (or 3-2-1 if you follow PV's theory, which -if true- means we have lost already, so bear with me). If we are at 4-1-1 the Town needs to lynch the other 2, but the Jester ALSO wants to get lynched, so it would have been a win-win if I was a Jester and claimed it.

Now the reason I cannot be a Jester is EXACTLY that.
You cannot tell the town to lynch ALL non-Town and then toss in a Jester who DOES need to get lynched to win.
This totally negates the "Anti-Town" nature of the Jester Role, and makes it more of a Town-sided 3P role, aiming for the same goal of the time.
Right... makes sense. Completely forgot the wording of our wincons which would mean this.
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Post Post #10788 (isolation #566) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:16 pm

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I think that the role A50 describes suggests that we are at LYLO. For the theory that the scumteam existed prior to Maxous' lynch: If there was only 2 in that scumteam, killing/hammering his role would be absolutely devastating for them.
Also, what if Maxous had killed/hammered A50? Does he not get to cult? Perhaps Maxous had an immunity to A50's role to avoid this.
His role is pretty swingy as he describes it, assuming it's true.
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Post Post #10811 (isolation #567) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:29 am

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Theory: PV is the last scum trying to force the idea of LYLO upon us.
That's where my mind is leading towards.
I don't like his setup speculation either.
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Post Post #10814 (isolation #568) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:37 pm

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In post 10812, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: BYF

Made my decision.
What the hell? You haven't said a word about me today.
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Post Post #10820 (isolation #569) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:43 pm

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PV is the only viable lynch today IMO.
He started the day tunneling Gio, which was meh.
Attacked him for not crumbing as a weak role, which is undeniably incriminating, but also attacks him as a watcher, and I think that is where is argument becomes invalid.
Gio targeted Maxous N2, which (probably) forced Maxous to claim ascetic. He targeted Narna N4 and confirmed their investigation. He targeted MathBlade N6 and confirmed their investigation. I can see the town motivation in doing these. If you don't, tell me where his watch would have been better used.
His unvote is extremely suspicious. I don't see a town-motivation in simply giving up your scumread.
Also, can someone explain how it could be LYLO? 5v1 is not LYLO. 4v2 is MYLO. 3v2v1 is MYLO (assuming 3p is jester, right?). Even if the one considering the jester is wrong, is that even a possibility to us anymore? We not considering some other 3p. If there is a way this could be LYLO, hit me, please. I've been pondering over this for days because I thought if LYLO was proposed, it surely is a possibility, right? And I don't want to look absolutely stupid, but the way PV describes this gamestate as LYLO is like he needs a lynch in order to win. His play in the beginning of today looks like he planned to tunnel Gio, but gave up midday because no one was interested.
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Post Post #10821 (isolation #570) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:49 pm

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Lynch PV and have Gio follow me. If there is a scum left, I will probably be lynching Gio then.
Jae, explain your SR on me.
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Post Post #10836 (isolation #571) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:50 pm

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In post 6112, BigYoshiFan wrote:Anyone not voting Shiro or Narna is on my scumlist.
You mean this?

My claim late into day 6 was an attempt to gain information. I thought that the lack of a nightkill would have sparked more interest and perhaps through some theories that people came up with, especially MathBlade at the time, we would have more to analyze. My claim to have "probably" been the reason for the no-kill night was for that reason precisely, Nahdia's jailkeep, which may seem unnecessary but whatever.
I realize I have been quite a sheep, but I think I deserve a bit more credit then you're implying.
Also, kind of a bit late to start mentioning all of this, wouldn't you agree? We have 2 days left, this would have been much more useful for us earlier in the day.
Oh, and by the way. We have 2 days left. VOTE PV!
Are y'all content with a NL?
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Post Post #10837 (isolation #572) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:02 pm

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In post 10835, JaeReed wrote:I want Yoshi lynch, don't want no lynch.
Is this for the read you described earlier, what Gio has said, or something else?
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Post Post #10839 (isolation #573) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:12 pm

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I don't know what to say. I see something I like, I nod my head, I expand if I can, and I move forward. I feel my constant push on Math could be a non-example (is that a word? XD) of this. I don't feel like I was constantly sheeping someone whenever I discussed my scumread/suspicions on them.
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Post Post #10840 (isolation #574) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:19 pm

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I don't like you calling creeps a compromise lynch to incriminate me.
I was the first one to do so with some reason (of which I did not sheep) behind it.
There was quite a bit of time before the lynch became appealing to people, and even then, it wasn't because of me (Narna, I believe).
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Post Post #10846 (isolation #575) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:23 pm

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In post 10841, JaeReed wrote:UNVOTE:

@BYF does that make gio more or less likely to be scum then?
More, but his response makes it to a lesser extent. Still not enough to be scummier than PV.
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Post Post #10847 (isolation #576) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:23 pm

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In post 10842, JaeReed wrote:Also why do you think scum didn't jump on you with me?
Day's almost over, and they don't wanna be incriminated by sheeping?
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Post Post #10848 (isolation #577) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:38 pm

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In post 10836, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 6112, BigYoshiFan wrote:Anyone not voting Shiro or Narna is on my scumlist.
This was before Shiro's flip, and the most common and logical opinion was that one of them was a liar, so I think I was well reasoned in saying this.

The other one, I guess you could say was narrow-minded and a sheep. My vote changed due to a kinda gutread, kinda tone read. They were still fighting and keeping up some contribution. The guilty to lynch a single person and sacrificing your legitimacy in the process just didn't hit me as ludicrous until after; I was still shocked at the false accusation. Not much to say, but it didn't cause any harm at the time, and I'm glad for that.
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Post Post #10849 (isolation #578) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:39 pm

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I won't be here for another 24-ish hours. I better see some PV vote spam goddammit!
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Post Post #10864 (isolation #579) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:27 am

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*cries*
That was quick....
I thought I was in the clear.
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Post Post #10867 (isolation #580) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:02 am

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Let me know how I did when you see my flip. :)
Good luck!
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Post Post #10869 (isolation #581) » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:45 am

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Yeah.... Thanks. I still got lynched, so not well enough. :P
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Post Post #10928 (isolation #582) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:06 pm

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Good game everyone. Thank you Skull! :)
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Post Post #10933 (isolation #583) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:22 pm

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I got played so badly. XD

"He's taking it seriously?"
Yes, yes I am. *facepalm*
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Post Post #11007 (isolation #584) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:08 pm

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In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote: Regarding the cultification message, I am just gonna say that Yoshi was chosen because he was the one most likely to act as intended out of all the possible candidates. He was/seemed to be:

1) The most gullible of the "Gutblock", so I figured he would be the one most likely to believe himself culted.
2) The calmer and more sheepish out of the same block;
he had a distinct flaw in the way he was playing which I hoped to be reinforced if he believed he was culted.

3) The one less likely to troll during twilight in case he was lynched. I wanted someone who would say "nah, gg you caught me", instead of trolling out of spite.
This, I presume? (In regards to my read on MathBlade?)
In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:
You were trying to interpret the evidence in a way that matches your point of view
, rather than adjusting your point of view in a way that matches the evidence and when a new batch of evidence still didn't match your point of view, you got disheartened and abandoned the game.
In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote: As far as I remember, after the "cultification" night ended he immediately went V/LA and then started sheeping more than before. I don't know if this was because of the cultification or because he genuinely didn't had time, however.
Little bit of both. Then people grew suspicious of me and I (thinking I was scum) threw everything I could at PV. XD
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Post Post #11008 (isolation #585) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:08 pm

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In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote: Regarding the cultification message, I am just gonna say that Yoshi was chosen because he was the one most likely to act as intended out of all the possible candidates. He was/seemed to be:

1) The most gullible of the "Gutblock", so I figured he would be the one most likely to believe himself culted.
2) The calmer and more sheepish out of the same block;
he had a distinct flaw in the way he was playing which I hoped to be reinforced if he believed he was culted.

3) The one less likely to troll during twilight in case he was lynched. I wanted someone who would say "nah, gg you caught me", instead of trolling out of spite.
This, I presume? (In regards to my read on MathBlade?)
In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:
You were trying to interpret the evidence in a way that matches your point of view
, rather than adjusting your point of view in a way that matches the evidence and when a new batch of evidence still didn't match your point of view, you got disheartened and abandoned the game.
In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote: As far as I remember, after the "cultification" night ended he immediately went V/LA and then started sheeping more than before. I don't know if this was because of the cultification or because he genuinely didn't had time, however.
Little bit of both. Then people grew suspicious of me and I (thinking I was scum) threw everything I could at PV. XD
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Post Post #11009 (isolation #586) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:08 pm

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In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote: Regarding the cultification message, I am just gonna say that Yoshi was chosen because he was the one most likely to act as intended out of all the possible candidates. He was/seemed to be:

1) The most gullible of the "Gutblock", so I figured he would be the one most likely to believe himself culted.
2) The calmer and more sheepish out of the same block;
he had a distinct flaw in the way he was playing which I hoped to be reinforced if he believed he was culted.

3) The one less likely to troll during twilight in case he was lynched. I wanted someone who would say "nah, gg you caught me", instead of trolling out of spite.
This, I presume? (In regards to my read on MathBlade?)
In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:
You were trying to interpret the evidence in a way that matches your point of view
, rather than adjusting your point of view in a way that matches the evidence and when a new batch of evidence still didn't match your point of view, you got disheartened and abandoned the game.
In post 11004, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote: As far as I remember, after the "cultification" night ended he immediately went V/LA and then started sheeping more than before. I don't know if this was because of the cultification or because he genuinely didn't had time, however.
Little bit of both. Then people grew suspicious of me and I (thinking I was scum) threw everything I could at PV. XD
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Post Post #11010 (isolation #587) » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:08 pm

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Oh god, the dreaded triple post.
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