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Post Post #20 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:27 pm

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VOTE: Alisae

you smell bad
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Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:30 pm

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In post 22, Alisae wrote:
Fuckin normie
REEEEEEEEEE
you fucked up like my parents
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Post Post #27 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:32 pm

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it's okay @alisae is the child of jesus and russel crowe
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Post Post #231 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:03 pm

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Holy fucking shit thank you guys for writing an entire essay for me to come back to. Romeo and Juliet is shorter than this ffs. Gone for like 4 hours and you guys add 7 damn pages...

Anyways, this whole math thing was a complete waste of time. There wasn't any need for it in the beginning, and there still isn't a place for it. I'm not getting a complete scum read on Debi just yet, as the stupid ratios just seemed like a bit of an error. Also, the only read I'm getting on Gin is that he needs to change his tie color.
In post 119, Wraith wrote:
In post 106, Ircher wrote:
In post 86, Debi wrote:TheRealGin-N-Tonic, there is something I'm failing to understand to do with your current actions in the round. You have voted to lynch Pine, which is all well and done, at this point in the game, 99% of the votes, won't have any ulterior motive behind them whatsoever, which is fine, if you don't have any main reason to be voting for Pine. However, you have currently created a contradiction, when trying to prove that your vote on Pine is legit, and has reasoning. The main problem with it, is as below:
In post 60, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:It might be one-sided on Pine's side considering he's only made one post showing he's online but stopped saying anything afterwards, however on my end, to give you context to the vote, I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.

I'd love to be able to tell mods in advance what roles to give Pine and I but the likelihood of me playing a game with Pine and I on opposite factions to set up a grudge vote scum theatre just for this game IF we both happened to roll scum would be a god like miracle. However, as much as I wish that was actually true, it is literally a close to impossible scenario, ergo the most logical conclusion is to not treat it as such and wait for more substance throughout the thread before you think you honestly caught 2/X scums when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them.
You are claiming that it is very unlikely, for both you and Pine to both be scum in the same game, however the roles are chosen randomly, and I believe in a random order. So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it. If Pine was first to get a role, then you, there'd still be a high chance of you both being scum:
For Pine to be Scum: 9/19
If Pine is Scum, For Gin to be scum: 8/18
Therefore, For both to be Scum: Roughly 21/100

So it wouldn't be a 'god like miracle', ever.

Also another thing, when voting for somebody, you might thing they are suspicious or whatever. Therefore I have a question for you. If you are wanting to vote Pine, and argue for the vote on Pine, why are you suggesting he might not be scum via the 'when you're already wrong about at least 1 of them'???

UNVOTE: Alisae
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
And, the reason for this totally useless nonsense is _____?

4-5 scum is a more logical coonclusion for the scum ratio. 9 scum in a 19p NORMAL game has probably a 1 in a Million chance AT BEST. (Most likely, there is a 0 zero chance of that happening cuz that makes Day 1 LyLo and could still screw town w/ a perfect game if it's multiball)

4/19 * 3/18 = 12 / (152 + 190) = 12 / 342 = 4 / 114 = 2 / 57 or <4% chance.
VOTE: Debi
I agree. Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup, which in this case means scum. It's also such an absurd ratio that it would have to mean multiball.

Vote: Debi
before i start, again, fuck math.
If Debi had knowledge of the setup, then why the hell would she say that there's 10 town and 9 maf? It's 99.9% impossible that that's the case, showing that Debi does NOT have knowledge of the setup. That right there raises red flags to me. You obviously hadn't went back over your reasoning. You were so quick to jump onto a vote that it spooks me a little bit.

VOTE: Wraith

Also, what the hell is single/multiball?

Edit:
alisae still smells
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Post Post #237 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:17 pm

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In post 232, Alisae wrote:Echo are you saying it's not a slip in this case?
What's not a slip, what debi said about the 10:9 or whatever? Nah, that was just human error. Just her trying to prove her point. I've done the same kind of thing before. No scuminess behind it.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:17 pm

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Also, my frustration about what? Lol
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Post Post #252 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:16 pm

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@Debi, read on wraith?

also what the hell is this buddying thing...

EDIT: We shouldn't lynch either of them rb lol
EDIT 2: what the hell is flashwagon
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Post Post #286 (isolation #7) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:18 pm

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You're right, it's not real. But this isn't either

DAYVIG: EVERYBODY
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Post Post #365 (isolation #8) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:09 pm

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Grey, was that # good posting sarcasm or was it an actual good post? Also, I'm really not seeing all the scum read that everybody is getting from alisae. Most of his posts have just seemed like him fucking around. Not much of a scum read for me. Just kind of what he does. I know him off of site, which could be swaying my vote a little bit without me realizing, but I'm trying to be as un-biased as possible. Can somebody explain the scum read for me? I'll read it tomorrow morning cause it's bed time. g'nite fuckers
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Post Post #610 (isolation #9) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:01 am

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reading from pages 15-25 right now. i'll post when i'm done in 6 hours cause this has turned into a 5 act play now
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Post Post #629 (isolation #10) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:25 am

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In post 393, Alisae wrote:
In post 382, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So, if there is scum on the wagon, who is it?
Kyouko or/and Dunn
You said that Kyouko or Dunn are the scum that you read so far, but isn't your vote out for Wraith??
In post 463, Alisae wrote:
In post 462, Pine wrote:From her position on the short end of a big wagon, this looks like appeasement. Town doesn't try to appease, they try to lynch their own reads
I'm tryng to lynch Wraith. He is my own scumread.
Never mind, you covered my question later. Still seems like a bit of a slip though.
In post 466, Alisae wrote:VOTE: Pine
Wait what? Now you're voting Pine??? How the fuck did that happen???
In post 470, Alisae wrote:Fine, now that I buy Pine.
VOTE: Wraith
In just your next post, you changed your vote? okay...
In post 474, Alisae wrote:Either way, I think your scum on my wagon, since you didn't want the other people to get a chance to post content.
And fine, I'll stick to my guns some more.
VOTE: Pine
Going to bed, if I get lynched, look at Pine and Wraith.
After being called out, you decide to change your vote again. I don't believe that as a town you should be this bipolar about your votes. Pick one. Pine, or Wraith.
In post 485, -Grey- wrote:
In post 478, rb wrote:Okay i want everyone to stop focussing on alisae right now because if she's scum she's dead. Parse the other slots too, anyone who just uselessly tunnels on alisae rn is getting the murdercock tomorrow
What's the matter rb? Doing damage control to distract everyone from your hardcore distancing and hoping nobody else questions why you are moving heaven and earth to justify not voting your scumread?

We need to lynch Alisae and then rb d2.

Although I'd be happy lynching rb first, too.
I'm starting to agree with a lynch on rb, although I'd much rather lynch wraith. I'm still only this far though, so we will see if anything changes.

Okay so these last 7 acts of the play were kind of useless. Not much information IMO other than just a few posts.

Alisae is not playing intelligently. (if that's a word).
Wraith is still my top priority for a lynch. Right now, in an optimal situation I'd like to lynch Wraith d1 and then rb d2 and then alisae d3 if he doesn't die by then.

Also, I don't understand what you see that's scummy about me. The reason that you said before about my "frustration on the 190218657 act fucking play" everybody else seemed to have taken for a town tell?
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Post Post #704 (isolation #11) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:36 pm

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In post 635, -Grey- wrote:
In post 629, EchoVision wrote:Also, I don't understand what you see that's scummy about me. The reason that you said before about my "frustration on the 190218657 act fucking play" everybody else seemed to have taken for a town tell?
Who is this directed at?
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Post Post #710 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:04 pm

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i like wraith now.
UNVOTE:
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Post Post #808 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:59 am

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Today, my really good friend has been going through a bunch of stuff personally. I'm going to take today to go and attempt to help him out. I apologize for my lack of activity today, but I will try to be much more active tomorrow. Thank you guys for understanding <3
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Post Post #864 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:23 pm

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: All Alone fuck your lone vote.

Also, friend got off so I am here now. Welcome back Echo, thanks echo :)
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Post Post #984 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:47 pm

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So are we changing our wagon again? god damn xD
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:34 pm

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just got home from being in traffic for 6 and a half hours... I'll post tomorrow
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #17) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:50 pm

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fucks sake i hate reading, anyone know the price for a gallon of bleach idk if i have enough
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:07 pm

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Got to Debi's post #1327 but didn't finish it because now i feel super light headed and nauseous and have a headache so i'm gonna go lay down for a little bit but i'll hopefully be back soon, if not then it'll be first thing tomorrow morning. For now, I leave you with this:

VOTE: TheFakeGinNToner
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:08 pm

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^will explain when i don't feel like puking
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:50 am

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In post 1390, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Out of all the slots, this is my favorite lurker slot to to go.

Look at his posts from Jan 3 till now and tell me that's not just making up excuses?

VOTE: Echo

P-Edit: Ali even still, to say you are light headed or not thinking clearly but put down a vote screams saying "hey, don't blame me about the mislynch, I felt sick while I voted it."
Its not that I didn't think I was in the right frame of mind, it's that I didn't want to puke on my computer because later that night I did end up puking numerous times. was going to hold these details back but I figured you'd like to know...
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #21) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:56 am

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In post 1424, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1421, Alisae wrote:I'll get back to Gin later, but one thing I don't like about Gin is that he immediately doesn't give Echo a chance to explain himself. To me it comes off as saying "I don't care about your justification."
Now if Echo were to come back and not post his reasoning behind the vote, fine, that's blatantly scummy.
But he doesn't even give the poor kid a chance.
IF Echo said he thought I was scum and did a FoS, then it would have been chill but you don't fucking prod dodge for 3 days and vote someone to put them at L-3 and then bounce to avoid discussion. If you're not able to think clearly, then you don't make decisions like that. I've already said this shit but now you're appealing to emotions saying "he doesn't even give the poor kid a chance." Seriously?


You know what placing a vote is without reasoning? Voting without conviction...gee golly ain't that a concept.
Again, wasn't really bouncing to avoid discussion, was more bouncing to avoid getting sick all over my computer...
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #22) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:21 am

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yay all caught up. d7 you're scummy as fuck and I'm not sure whose lynch id prefer, gin or d7s.
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Post Post #1551 (isolation #23) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:32 am

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I'm sticking with gin for now because of everything that he said after I was talking about taking a break because of feeling sick.

In Gin's 1395 he comes after me saying how stupidly I'm playing, but I just don't understand what's so stupid? My vote on him? Let me ask you this gin, if I did that same thing that I had done before, where I came out of nowhere and put up a vote on someone else, like idk, Ircher (first person who came to mind) would you still have came after me telling me that it was stupid and voted for me? Or was that stuff just because the vote was on you?
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #24) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:35 am

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also forgot to mention alisae is one of my strong town reads right meow
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #25) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:30 am

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In post 1559, Alisae wrote:
In post 1552, EchoVision wrote:also forgot to mention alisae is one of my strong town reads right meow
Huh?
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:42 am

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Cause I said so :)
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:17 am

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In post 1566, Creature wrote:Say a number from 20-100.
100 please
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Post Post #1576 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:52 am

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what a top post ninja
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #29) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:54 pm

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Creature, who have you voted for with reasoning this game (as in not including RVS, I don't really care if you included the reasoning or not)?

Other than BDSM_Tokyo
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Post Post #1612 (isolation #30) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:37 pm

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Have you put votes out on those 3 so far? Or is that just your sus list?
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #31) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:37 pm

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In post 1607, Alisae wrote:Echo still waiting for you to explain the TR on me. I got all day.
cause I fuckin said so guy :)
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:04 am

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In post 1644, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:We need to just end D1 because I'm starting to become apathetic. We can bitch and moan about lynches all we want, I'm just starting to lose interest.

Honestly, I could do a reads list in depth but it won't truly matter until we get flips on players.


As of right now I'm vote parking on Echo and will make a case on him because out of all my scum reads, he's the one I want to make a case on.

VOTE: Echo
also meaning since I put a vote on you, you don't want me around to get you lynched...

catching up btw
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:06 am

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In post 1646, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You're not getting them so lynch away like a fucking idiot.
not sure how to word this but you're very aggressive about everyone trying to lynch you being a "fucking idiot". I feel like you're trying to go for that "genuine frustration town tell" but it's not working very well.
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Post Post #1775 (isolation #34) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:07 am

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In post 1655, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I DON'T FUCKING NEED TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAD A CASE ALISAE. IF YOU HAVE ONE THEN FUCKING BRING IT UP.
okay now you're just getting super pissed cause you're semi-close to lynch and you know he has a case on you
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #35) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:11 am

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In post 1674, Alisae wrote:So you scumread me for...what reason again?
just cause drealmerz is a scummy doo doo head
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #36) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:12 am

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In post 1676, drealmerz7 wrote:you're nothing but a negative influence to the game

scummy enough for me
willing to lynch for no reason other than the fact that he's "a bad influence on the game"... that reason is a bad influence on the game gtfoh
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #37) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:13 am

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In post 1684, drealmerz7 wrote:really? wow that is pathetic

there isn't even a case on me for me to defend against - I've been unenthused by the game, it's been clear, so I sit back and watch a bit and have not much to contribute until the shit stops piling up at an exponential rate

I've made less than a dozen posts or some shit, and a rising majority thinks I'm scum? absolutely pathetic, really

I'd like to hear an actual case against me
difficult to make an actual case when you just sit there and lurk and don't read half the thread.
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Post Post #1780 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:16 am

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In post 1701, drealmerz7 wrote:I don't know

I don't have a good view of the game currently

done engaging your shit though
maybe if you read and stopped lurking
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #39) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:18 am

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okay I'll catch up later gotta blast. on page 70 (personal reference)
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #40) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:19 am

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hey mod can you fix my image I forgot to put the tags in thanks qt<3
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #41) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:41 am

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In post 1736, drealmerz7 wrote:you don't even get it

wow

this needs to die people it is a HUGE liability if town (already destroying the game) and most likely just scum reveling in the fact that they're getting away with this scumtastic shit (destroying the game)
how is town ruining the game wtf I'm so lost... and I've actually read the game!

I'm back btw catching up
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Post Post #1949 (isolation #42) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:49 am

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In post 1751, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I can sum up why the policy lynch is almost a necessity right now in a couple of questions.

1) Do you, as town, trust Alisae to make a good decision in LyLo, regardless if you are alive or not?

2) Do you, as town, believe Alisae's spam-like posting and OMGUS behaviour benefit the town more than it does harm it?

3) Do you, as town, believe that you can get a fair read on her by the end of the game and will be able to fairly judge if her slot is scum or not compared to an a scum slot?

If you can prove how Alisae's slot strengthen's the vitality of the town, then I'll back off, until then, I'm 100% confident that this lynch is actually the better path to go down.
1) fuck yeah I do he practically has the same reads as me

2)its not really harming it so what's so bad about it, it's just getting you silly little scum fuckers upset

3) oml it's a he... Alisae is a fucking he... I've been clawing my eyes out every time someone calls HIM a she. Anyways, you even agreed he's town! in your previous post you legit said "alisae is one of my stronger town reads" so gtfoh

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Post Post #1950 (isolation #43) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:50 am

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In post 1754, drealmerz7 wrote:please read the game if you are going to replace in and have the power of a vote to decide the fate of our beloved town

or ya know, ISO the main wagons at least first

and then go read the game
says the guy who hasn't even read the fucking game... and you've been here since the start!
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #44) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:52 am

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In post 1762, Creature wrote:VOTE: All Alone
I've got a leaning towards town read for you but it's stuff like this that confused the fuck out of me... There's no focus in all alone and I just don't get why you voted him. still reading, hopefully you stated a reason later on
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:53 am

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In post 1766, Creature wrote:Okay whatever

VOTE: Gin
oh okay good all fixed.
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Post Post #1957 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:54 am

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In post 1770, Creature wrote:VOTE: drealmerz7
I'm okay with this too
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:12 am

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In post 1860, drealmerz7 wrote:quit being lazy and making dumb plays
have you read the whole damn thread yet
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Post Post #1974 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:01 am

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mod can we get a vote count please i'll love you forever <3
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:32 am

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In post 1975, texcat wrote:
In post 1949, EchoVision wrote:
In post 1751, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I can sum up why the policy lynch is almost a necessity right now in a couple of questions.

1) Do you, as town, trust Alisae to make a good decision in LyLo, regardless if you are alive or not?

2) Do you, as town, believe Alisae's spam-like posting and OMGUS behaviour benefit the town more than it does harm it?

3) Do you, as town, believe that you can get a fair read on her by the end of the game and will be able to fairly judge if her slot is scum or not compared to an a scum slot?

If you can prove how Alisae's slot strengthen's the vitality of the town, then I'll back off, until then, I'm 100% confident that this lynch is actually the better path to go down.
1) fuck yeah I do he practically has the same reads as me

2)its not really harming it so what's so bad about it, it's just getting you silly little scum fuckers upset

3) oml it's a he... Alisae is a fucking he... I've been clawing my eyes out every time someone calls HIM a she. Anyways, you even agreed he's town! in your previous post you legit said "alisae is one of my stronger town reads" so gtfoh

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1) Really? Alisae has the same reads as you. Can you tell us what those are? Spell them out for me, cause as far as I can tell Alisae has had a scum read on every single person in the game at some point. Is that what you're agreeing with?

No, I figured the fact that I said "has the same" implied currently. Sorry, let me spell it out for you.

Here's a nice pretty little table:
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I have We have
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Post Post #1985 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:32 am

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okay well that fucked my formatting up my table isn't pretty anymore
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:33 am

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btw VOTE: drealmerz

l-2 don't fuck up
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Post Post #1995 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:40 am

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oh whoops forgot my scum reads for ya taco cat

you (taco cat)
gin and toner (bad combo btw who would mix those)
wraith (kind of fallen off but he hasn't said much so idk about him anymore, mostly leaning scum)
drealmerz (wonder why)
and pine is kind of null right meow, haven't paid much attention to him. will do when we get one of you fuckers lynched <3
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:41 pm

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In post 2031, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: SlickDilinger
this is kind of giving me a scummy vibe oddly enough. to me, it feels like there's obvious people that he could vote for, but either they're his team mates, or he doesn't want to draw attention to himself by jumping on to a wagon
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #54) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:45 pm

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In post 2052, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2049, Ircher wrote:
In post 1746, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm leaning more town on Alisae but I'm policy lynching that fucking slot.
then you are game throwing.
actually it is a pro-town move sometimes to remove an anti-town town player - that is the extent it has gotten to
but the thing is he's not anti-town

he's actually doing a pretty good job scum-hunting. I think we should get rid of an anti-town scum player like you. I'd vote you but I already have a vote out for you and don't wanna be a pain in the mod's ass
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Post Post #2321 (isolation #55) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:31 am

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In post 2166, Alisae wrote:Also let's do these
{Me, rb}
{HS, AA, Zach}
{Slick, Dunn, Creature, Drealmerz, Debi, UZI}
{Ircher, Titus, Kyouko (THIS DUDE DISSAPEARED), }
{Gin, Wraith}
{Texcat, Pine}
sir what the flying fuck monkeys are these
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Post Post #2819 (isolation #56) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:24 pm

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In post 2265, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:All Alone, HS, Zach, can't pick a 4th but prolly a lurker.

I'll self hammer at this point but lynch these slots lynched with fire after I'm dead.
what about me? thought you were making your case against me now I'm not even on your sus list? okay


catching up fuckerrrrrrrs
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Post Post #2824 (isolation #57) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:39 pm

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okay girlfriend wants attention gtg. finished page 95. fuck you guys for over a hundred page d1 for fucks sake
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Post Post #2825 (isolation #58) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:40 pm

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one of you fuckers that I trust should I put gin at l-1 before I leave or no
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Post Post #2828 (isolation #59) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:42 pm

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I'm confused I don't speak terminal cancer
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Post Post #2833 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:45 pm

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yeah fuck him shoot someone then pussy bet you won't cause you're not vig you fuck monkey

VOTE: fake gin and toner
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Post Post #2834 (isolation #61) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:45 pm

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plus whoever puts in hammer is probably a scum fucker if he flips green so we can rape them tomorrow
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Post Post #2839 (isolation #62) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:48 pm

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fuck you and your meta shit I hate that

PEOPLE CHANGE
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Post Post #2851 (isolation #63) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:50 pm

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oh hell no I'm not waiting for night to lynch this fucker we won't be able to get a wagon on him again it took over ten days to get this one, it's just not going to happen
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Post Post #2880 (isolation #64) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:12 am

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In post 2873, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:When players are in the noobie stages, it's quite easy to pick out their differences in play because they don't know how to mold their scum game to look like their town game.

In those two games he's played, his post quality has always remained level-headed and he's explained his thoughts in good paragraphs mostly every post.

In this game, he's of an abrasive nature and he mostly avoids giving his opinion in detail as he normally would. In a sense for noob!scums, they generally haven't picked up the skill of forming fake scum reads on players so they'll resort to insults or really weak logic to push their agenda.

If you want an example of why there is a key difference in play I notice, let's look at Echo's ISO, you'll see he said he townread Alisae, and when Alisae asked for Echo's reasoning, multiple times Echo just said it's because he does. It's a bad attempt at buddying and for his previous posting quality that we have seen from him, it would be expected that Echo could actually explain his reads.
asked someone a while ago what buddying even was, but I don't think I ever got an answer so that last paragraph really means nothing to me
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Post Post #2881 (isolation #65) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:15 am

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also, when there's 115 fucking pages in day 1, it's difficult to make quality posts because I have to catch up every ten fucking minutes
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Post Post #2883 (isolation #66) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:21 am

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when Alisae told me I could fucking swear, wasn't sure if it was allowed or not so I refrained as much as I could until I knew I could just go off. ask him, off of site I swear every three fucking words and that's barely an exaggeration
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Post Post #2884 (isolation #67) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:21 am

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pretty sure I was cursing in my other game that started around this time too if you want to check it out for reference
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Post Post #2895 (isolation #68) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:07 am

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I still have to catch up, haven't even read your vig claim yet so I'm going to do that and post as I see fit, we can talk instead if you'd like
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Post Post #2897 (isolation #69) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:19 am

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In post 2396, Titus wrote:Echo, I would like your reads.
I've been focusing most of my attention on Wraith, drealmerz7, and obviously gin. Alisae is probably town, idk about you, haven't paid much attention to that slot cause Grey didn't ever post much, I had sus on hs before but his arguments with gin (my top scum read) have completely rid him of the sus. pine doesn't post enough meaningful shit, and Im doing this off of memory so if I forgot you you're probably town or I just straight up forgot you
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Post Post #2898 (isolation #70) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:20 am

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okay good cause I was going to read anyways xD
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Post Post #2899 (isolation #71) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:25 am

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If you were really vig what the fuck is the point in saying who you're going to shoot. If there's a doc in this setup which I'm sure there is, then they could just heal me (I'm assuming I'm your target) if they had a town read on me...
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Post Post #2958 (isolation #72) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:45 am

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pine go away

VOTE: pine
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Post Post #3088 (isolation #73) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:00 pm

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In post 3047, Dunnstral wrote:Alright let's get slick or wraith

VOTE: Wraith
you've changed your vote like 4 fucking times even though you said that you were set on your vote. make up your mind.
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Post Post #3089 (isolation #74) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:01 pm

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In post 3051, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target
The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo
why are you so worried on killing blue, why don't we just
kill fucking mafia
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Post Post #3090 (isolation #75) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:03 pm

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In post 3057, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3053, Zachstralkita wrote:Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context
That's not how this works. You said my original post was inaccurate, but when I pointed out that I didn't see what was inaccurate about it and then explained the intentions behind my post like you asked, you never pointed out what was inaccurate about my post. I felt like your vote was unwarranted.

What about my post was inaccurate?

@Dunn I seriously doubt there's a real vig and even if there were one they could have just as easily ignored Gin's claim and shot him overnight instead of lynching him. I doubt that both Red Mafia and a Vig failed to kill last night, but it's possible that Blue and the Vig both shot at Texcat considering that slot's play yesterday around Gin and rb.

pedit: Gin's claim stunk tbh and I think whether people believed it or not given he flipped town is NAI as long as it's consistent with their reads of Gin before his claim.
why are you so worried about knowing exactly what happened last night. texcat died, that's all we know, that's all we need. deal with it and move on.
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Post Post #3092 (isolation #76) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:06 pm

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In post 3070, Dunnstral wrote:I'd be willing to lynch echo :)
again, about 20 posts ago you said how when you put a vote in you intend for that vote to go through no matter what and you don't bother moving your vote around. I'm pretty sure I've seen you vote 2 or 3 people, and now you're saying how you'd lynch me too? if you're going to say shit like that, keep it straight with the lies you said before. It's the first rule in lying.

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Post Post #3094 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:08 pm

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okay so do I have anyone agreeing with me that bdsm_tokyo and dunn are both maf together?? anybody??

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Post Post #3098 (isolation #78) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:11 pm

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In post 3096, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:There's nothing to overlook, blue is a convenient way to refer to the opposite of red. Wraith would get shot because Blue is looking for Tex's partners

@Echo - I think it's optimal to keep the scum factions as evenly matched as possible to keep them scared of each other. If red gets lynched today there will be 0-1 red left and 2-3 blue left as we enter the night phase. I want blue aiming at red and red aiming at blue, I don't want either of them aiming at town/PRs.
What makes you think I'm worried about what happened? I just explained why it's unlikely that there is a vig because Dunn and I were talking about the plausibility of Gin's claim and how Gin could have possibly known if there was a vig or not.

Echo - Do you think Dunn and I are red or blue?
I don't know, and honestly it doesn't matter. After this, your sus has lessened but I'm still watching you. For now,

VOTE: Dunn
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Post Post #3099 (isolation #79) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:12 pm

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In post 3097, Alisae wrote:Yeah. Echo is a lynch that needs to happen.
VOTE: EchoVision
Their vote on Gin was scummy as fuck.
There were 9 other people on the gin wagon with me, why are you saying that my vote in particular was scummy?
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Post Post #3102 (isolation #80) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:19 pm

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In post 3101, Alisae wrote:Also nice OMGUS
In post 3099, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3097, Alisae wrote:Yeah. Echo is a lynch that needs to happen.
VOTE: EchoVision
Their vote on Gin was scummy as fuck.
There were 9 other people on the gin wagon with me, why are you saying that my vote in particular was scummy?
Yours and Texcat's votes were scummy off the top of my head. Texcat legit hammered the fakeclaim vig and you hopped onto the fakeclaim vig and didn't even consider his claim.
that's cause i knew his claim was straight bullshit. weren't you on his wagon for a while too??
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Post Post #3104 (isolation #81) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:22 pm

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In post 3100, Dunnstral wrote:
Echo as town in a newbie game:
In post 288, EchoVision wrote:Dunn, you're mafia. You know how I know that? I'M THE COP. Last night, I decided to investigate loopdan because of his super quick vote within one or two posts of him being here.
His result returned as mafia
. If you were actually the cop Dunn, then how would two people get two different results on him? Is it because he's your partner and you don't want him getting killed by creating a fake investigation on him? If you were just a vanilla Townie, then what reason would you have to false claim cop?

If I get killed tonight, which seems pretty likely being that I'm the real cop, then you guys must vote for loopdan tomorrow, as he returned a mafia result from an investigation last night. I just feel like dunnstral would be a better vote at this time as they're both quite obviously mafia. GuiltyLion, I know you're innocent at this point, so I trust you in your lynch vote. Choose who you would rather lynch, and I will vote with you.
In post 293, EchoVision wrote:VOTE: Dunnstral

Also, I'm not completely sure why still, but after my night one search on ecks dee, the game moderator said it came back with no result. Not innocent, not guilty. Just no result?
In post 298, EchoVision wrote:
In post 294, Loopdan wrote:VOTE: Echo

Ok, so Dunn's confirmed cop or tracker.
Yes, and you are confirmed as a mafia as well. So why don't you just tell us his exact role? Also, I like how I called you out saying that I investigated you and you didn't even argue the fact that I knew you were scum because you know that I'm the real cop :)
In post 300, EchoVision wrote:How was anything that I said confirming if Dunn is PR? He might be PR, but a mafia PR such as the roleblocker
In post 304, EchoVision wrote:What do you mean I know we're in the role blocker setup, there's a list of the roles on the first page...
In post 306, EchoVision wrote:On the first page, it has a list of the roles and it says there's a role blocker, therfore, yes there is a role blocker... This is my second game of forum mafia ever, the first game I played didn't even have a role blocker in it. My previous experience in something like this is Town of Salem where it straight out tells you that you were role blocked. I don't know why you're trying to turn this into a suspicion on me, it literally says on the first page that there is a role blocker in this set up... Have you read the mod posts?
In post 308, EchoVision wrote:Currently, the game is relying on you lol. So take your time and read carefully lol.
In post 311, EchoVision wrote:I investigated ecks dee night one because he hadn't really said much and I thought that the likelihood of him being framed would be very low just for the fact that he hadn't said much.

Echo this game:

In post 3088, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3047, Dunnstral wrote:Alright let's get slick or wraith

VOTE: Wraith
you've changed your vote like 4 fucking times even though you said that you were set on your vote. make up your mind.
In post 3089, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3051, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target
The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo
why are you so worried on killing blue, why don't we just
kill fucking mafia
In post 3090, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3057, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3053, Zachstralkita wrote:Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context
That's not how this works. You said my original post was inaccurate, but when I pointed out that I didn't see what was inaccurate about it and then explained the intentions behind my post like you asked, you never pointed out what was inaccurate about my post. I felt like your vote was unwarranted.

What about my post was inaccurate?

@Dunn I seriously doubt there's a real vig and even if there were one they could have just as easily ignored Gin's claim and shot him overnight instead of lynching him. I doubt that both Red Mafia and a Vig failed to kill last night, but it's possible that Blue and the Vig both shot at Texcat considering that slot's play yesterday around Gin and rb.

pedit: Gin's claim stunk tbh and I think whether people believed it or not given he flipped town is NAI as long as it's consistent with their reads of Gin before his claim.
why are you so worried about knowing exactly what happened last night. texcat died, that's all we know, that's all we need. deal with it and move on.
In post 3092, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3070, Dunnstral wrote:I'd be willing to lynch echo :)
again, about 20 posts ago you said how when you put a vote in you intend for that vote to go through no matter what and you don't bother moving your vote around. I'm pretty sure I've seen you vote 2 or 3 people, and now you're saying how you'd lynch me too? if you're going to say shit like that, keep it straight with the lies you said before. It's the first rule in lying.

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In post 3094, EchoVision wrote:okay so do I have anyone agreeing with me that bdsm_tokyo and dunn are both maf together?? anybody??

PEdit: okay fuck your meta shit... it means nothing... so what I'm acting different? shit changes boy... other than your role cause you're scum this game too

Okay this actually means nothing... Good job you can find a change in my meta. That was also what, over a month ago?? I've told you, stuff changes. And in that game I was a cop and had knowledge that nobody else had, this game I'm not working with shit other than my own reads. Someone earlier this game was saying how stupid basing someones roles off of meta was and I completely agree with them. Personalities change, especially in a game where there's so many different scenarios. I'm not going to act the exact same, because the game isn't the exact same. My personality does what everybody elses should, changes due to the situation.

Deal with it.
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Post Post #3105 (isolation #82) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:23 pm

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In post 3103, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:idk Dunn that's not really a fair comparison, he was a cop with a guilty in that game and you were scum CCing him with an inno on your partner, of course the situation would be different. I recently got SRed by Creature in Open 660 because I was playing differently than I was in my first Newbie where he was scum and I was town (and first game of mafia ever, this is my only site) and I was town in both of those games. Just saying people's playstyles can change quickly as they are getting used to the site
exactly. BDSM_Tokyo knows what's up...

still have sus on you though :)
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #83) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:30 pm

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In post 3106, drealmerz7 wrote:people are shitheads because they have their heads up their asses

yep

dunn seriously wtf shit case is that anyway?

I mean, EV is scummy as fuck, but your case is poop
it's the shit case that a scum makes trying to get someone lynched for no reason. in the game he's quoting, his reason for my lynch was because I changed my rvs vote and it seemed scummy.
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Post Post #3117 (isolation #84) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:31 pm

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In post 3111, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3103, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:idk Dunn that's not really a fair comparison, he was a cop with a guilty in that game and you were scum CCing him with an inno on your partner, of course the situation would be different.
That's not really the point, you can look at his posts before that if you'd like. The tone is way different because he's scum here
your tone isn't much different though. still trying to make shitty cases out of nothingness. you were scum there, and you're scum here.
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Post Post #3118 (isolation #85) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:31 pm

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I'd like to hear rb's opinions about this page
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Post Post #3138 (isolation #86) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:20 pm

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In post 3108, Alisae wrote:
In post 3102, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3101, Alisae wrote:Also nice OMGUS
In post 3099, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3097, Alisae wrote:Yeah. Echo is a lynch that needs to happen.
VOTE: EchoVision
Their vote on Gin was scummy as fuck.
There were 9 other people on the gin wagon with me, why are you saying that my vote in particular was scummy?
Yours and Texcat's votes were scummy off the top of my head. Texcat legit hammered the fakeclaim vig and you hopped onto the fakeclaim vig and didn't even consider his claim.
that's cause i knew his claim was straight bullshit. weren't you on his wagon for a while too??
After he claimed? Not that I remembered.
And I doubt you thought it was bullshit because you never explained how it was bullshit.
a vig claim, especially on d1 seems too easy to get away with. it's like claiming med in town of Salem. there's not really a way to prove it until your role shows.
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Post Post #3141 (isolation #87) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:26 pm

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In post 3130, rb wrote:
In post 3102, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3101, Alisae wrote:Also nice OMGUS
In post 3099, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3097, Alisae wrote:Yeah. Echo is a lynch that needs to happen.
VOTE: EchoVision
Their vote on Gin was scummy as fuck.
There were 9 other people on the gin wagon with me, why are you saying that my vote in particular was scummy?
Yours and Texcat's votes were scummy off the top of my head. Texcat legit hammered the fakeclaim vig and you hopped onto the fakeclaim vig and didn't even consider his claim.
that's cause i knew his claim was straight bullshit. weren't you on his wagon for a while too??
How'd you know it was bullshit though?

I didn't say anything but stayed on the wagon to see what happened, but what did you see?
if I remember correctly, the way he claimed vig was by saying these are the people I will shoot. even if you are a real vig, you don't do that. that's just straight stupid. it just seemed so fake and made up that unless he was a deceptive God it was bullshit
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Post Post #3142 (isolation #88) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:28 pm

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In post 3140, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3138, EchoVision wrote:it's like claiming med in town of Salem.
I imagine it's a lot like claiming vig in town of salem.
nobody claims vig in town of Salem. not even vig claims vig in town of Salem.
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Post Post #3144 (isolation #89) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:31 pm

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In post 3139, Dunnstral wrote:???

Vig's shoot people, that's not the same at all
it's really nothing to do with the shooting part. think of it this way: if you claim cop on d2, you have your n1 results to back you up. if you claim vig, the only thing you have to prove you as vig is the kill that you did, but anybody can claim that they killed them and fabricate a reason behind it. the results of a vig are visible to everyone when the day starts saying who they killed. it's just too easy to claim and get away with...
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Post Post #3148 (isolation #90) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:47 pm

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honestly, I'm okay with being lynched cause it will reveal my VT role causing your shitty investigative claim to be thrown out the window and you to get lynched tomorrow.
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #91) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:48 pm

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In post 3145, Dunnstral wrote:uh, it's the opposite, anybody can claim an investigative result. In order to claim a kill it has to have happened in the first place. If somebody else is a vig they just shoot the fake claimer... why do people think fake claiming vig is a thing? It's not
I guess you're right, anybody can claim a fake investigative result. cause you just did! And you're kind of counter claiming yourself there. you're asking me how I knew his vig claim was bullshit, and you're saying that fake claiming vig isn't a thing. good job dude.
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Post Post #3151 (isolation #92) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:49 pm

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In post 3147, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VOTE: Echo
And yes drealmerz it's blue
I'm assuming this vote was based on the fake investigation that Dunn claimed?
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Post Post #3155 (isolation #93) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:51 pm

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okay well might as well copy paste the vote Dunn message now because I'll be flipping vanilla townie if the vote goes through. I don't understand why everyone trusts Dunn so much. in the last game I played with him it was the same way, people just gotta trust me more :(
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Post Post #3157 (isolation #94) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:54 pm

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In post 3154, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:We're nowhere near LyLo, I'll gladly trade 1 for 1 if Dunn turns out to be lying
Yeah... it's too early in the game for me to get mad about a 1 for 1 trade when town will end up lynching a scum tomorrow. I just don't understand why Dunn thinks it's worth it?
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Post Post #3159 (isolation #95) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:55 pm

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anyways, it's sleepy time for me now. if I end up dead before I wake up, you'll see I'm a VT and you'll know to lynch Dunn tomorrow. good night fuckers:)
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Post Post #3160 (isolation #96) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:56 pm

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In post 3158, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Hold. Dunn if you had a guilty on Echo, why didn't you vote for him as soon as Day 2 started? What was the Wraith and Zach stuff about?
I'm assuming he'll make up something about either a framer and he wanted to double check or that he didn't find it necessary to claim just yet
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Post Post #3161 (isolation #97) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:59 pm

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I lied I don't want to sleep. if anyone wants to question me or anything nows your time
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Post Post #3162 (isolation #98) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:09 pm

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ugh you guys are fucking boring. sleep time is back on!
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Post Post #3179 (isolation #99) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:48 am

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In post 3163, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: slickdilinger
did nobody notice that he's changed his vote after saying he got a guilty invest on me last night?? this screams fake claim yet you guys are still voting me okay
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Post Post #3183 (isolation #100) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:28 am

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In post 3182, Human Sequencer wrote:@dream, echo, everybody else buying into the dunn claim
maybe you guys should actually read the thread lmao
wraith's post has spoiler tags yknow, try opening them
i know i gave him a question mark earlier, but that was just me trying to figure out where he was going with it

btw wraith we agree on a lot, did you bother reading my post?
i would be worried you're buddying up to me but every time i worry that i'm wrong and the other person was just making the same logical leaps i was (RE: copper, smith, umlaut)
then again the way you didn't comment on my post at all looked legit
what do you mean I should read the thread I was the one arguing with Dunn about his fake claim...
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Post Post #3244 (isolation #101) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:52 pm

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I'm not changing my vote off of Dunn until I actually get a reason to. There's not really a reason to vote for a hammer no matter who it's on when we're like 2 days into d2...
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Post Post #3312 (isolation #102) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:24 pm

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In post 3276, Alisae wrote:don't mind me, I'ma just go back to obvscum Echo real quickly.
VOTE: EchoVision
so you voted slick thinking it was a hammer, and then unvoted when you realized it wasn't a hammer? does this yell scum to anyone else?
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Post Post #3371 (isolation #103) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:59 am

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In post 3314, Alisae wrote:First you have a hard townread on me and now you think I'm scum. You are so full of shit right now lmao.
who said I think your scum? you're like my girlfriend cause you keep jumping to conclusions... I said that post yelled scum to me, not you as a player.
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #104) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:03 am

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In post 3349, Human Sequencer wrote:so you think (or thought) slick has a wincon with either of the scumteams/
and you think that the teams are diefinintely blue/red

where are you voting, echo?

PEDIT: so its driving me bonkers up the fucking wall mad to not understand how to read you after x amount of playing with you with all of my focus and concentration dedicated to your posts
I'm voting Dunn cause of his fake cop claim and other reasons I don't feel like finding
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Post Post #3403 (isolation #105) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:57 am

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In post 3401, Alisae wrote:
In post 3371, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3314, Alisae wrote:First you have a hard townread on me and now you think I'm scum. You are so full of shit right now lmao.
who said I think your scum? you're like my girlfriend cause you keep jumping to conclusions... I said that post yelled scum to me, not you as a player.
In post 3312, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3276, Alisae wrote:don't mind me, I'ma just go back to obvscum Echo real quickly.
VOTE: EchoVision
so you voted slick thinking it was a hammer, and then unvoted when you realized it wasn't a hammer?
does this yell scum to anyone else?
I think Echo is trying to pocket me now but it's just not working.
boy we aren't playing tf2 and i don't play medic i'm not trying to pocket shit
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Post Post #3433 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:18 pm

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In post 3427, Alisae wrote:Dunn why did you give out a fake guilty on Echo?
if you don't agree with either what do you agree with
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Post Post #3472 (isolation #107) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:26 pm

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In post 3453, All Alone wrote:
In post 3371, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3314, Alisae wrote:First you have a hard townread on me and now you think I'm scum. You are so full of shit right now lmao.
who said I think your scum? you're like my girlfriend cause you keep jumping to conclusions... I said that post yelled scum to me, not you as a player.
:neutral: Why would you say the post yelled scum if you didn't think the player posting it is scum? I don't really get your motivation here.
He's got like 30000000 posts, just one scummy post isn't enough to make me scum read him.
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Post Post #3473 (isolation #108) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:29 pm

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actually right now he's 1 away from 600
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Post Post #3476 (isolation #109) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:26 pm

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In post 3474, Alisae wrote:1 away from what?
600 posts but you're there now
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Post Post #3496 (isolation #110) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:54 am

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you guys bore me now not enough shit is happening.
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Post Post #3501 (isolation #111) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:21 am

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lots of prodding then one post warriors and then more prodding and lather rinse repeat.
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Post Post #3502 (isolation #112) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:21 am

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I don't think so, slick if your next post isn't a claim I may have to throw in a hammer on you good sir :)
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Post Post #3529 (isolation #113) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:30 pm

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In post 3506, Zachstralkita wrote:Echo what are the other reasons for your prior Dunn vote
well my main reason was his fake cop claim that everyone just overlooked... also other shit I don't feel like finding
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Post Post #3531 (isolation #114) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:33 pm

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hey New Guy (idk your name yet and I don't feel like looking back oh well) how would you feel if I hammered slick since you're so against his lynch

pedit: over reacted to what??
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Post Post #3533 (isolation #115) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:34 pm

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oh his cop claim? only reason it got me so angry was cause this is the second gave I've been in with him where he's bullshitting a cop claim but is full of it and people still believe him. I'm not cop, I wish I was though :(
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Post Post #3535 (isolation #116) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:37 pm

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I thought I claimed but wasn't sure lol. email me a cherry coke I want cherry coke.
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Post Post #3541 (isolation #117) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:23 pm

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In post 3538, Severa wrote:
In post 3531, EchoVision wrote:hey New Guy (idk your name yet and I don't feel like looking back oh well) how would you feel if I hammered slick since you're so against his lynch

pedit: over reacted to what??
Excuse me!? Go ahead, scumclaim. It'll make this lynch even easier!
kinda tempting... if he were to flip scum would we get a severa wagon tomorrow?
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Post Post #3544 (isolation #118) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:42 pm

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In post 3542, Alisae wrote:Echo one word: Multiball
yes but if they both turned out to be scum, I doubt severa would be protecting someone on the opposite scum team. also, have to remember severa replaced pine who some people seemed to have a decent amount of suspicion on
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Post Post #3560 (isolation #119) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:03 am

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In post 2646, Dunnstral wrote:Cop can check someone like drealmerz or echo or Wraith
He said this on d1, which causes his cop claim to be completely fake. Why would he say in chat for a cop to check these people if he was a cop???
He wouldn't.


I'm on my phone but I'm going through his iso now. might not finish but I will eventually.
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Post Post #3561 (isolation #120) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:05 am

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In post 2843, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2839, EchoVision wrote:fuck you and your meta shit I hate that

PEOPLE CHANGE
from clueless newbie to guy shouting profanities and acting like the stuff
what's the point in calling me out for saying fuck unless you're trying to build a case on me with nothing
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Post Post #3563 (isolation #121) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:07 am

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In post 2979, Dunnstral wrote:Whow as the one who said if it's multiball wraith is scum? Why aren't you voting him?

VOTE: Wraith
then, after realizing his case was ass, he changed to Wraith for this reason. ew.
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Post Post #3565 (isolation #122) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:09 am

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In post 3025, Dunnstral wrote:Alright let's get him

VOTE: SlickDilinger
Now he changes his vote but wait! there's more!
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Post Post #3566 (isolation #123) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:09 am

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In post 3029, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Zachstralkita
here's another vote change 4 posts later
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Post Post #3567 (isolation #124) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:11 am

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In post 3039, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3036, Zachstralkita wrote:More like 8 to 10 pages
Doubt you get lynched that fast. If you think votes will be off you by then fat chance: I make it a point to only vote people when I'm set on lynching them. Vote's not coming off
so much for this post... "votes not coming off" you seem to have a lot of flexibility with your votes considering what I quoted before
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Post Post #3568 (isolation #125) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:12 am

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In post 3047, Dunnstral wrote:Alright let's get slick or wraith

VOTE: Wraith
"I'm not changing my vote"
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Post Post #3569 (isolation #126) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:14 am

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In post 3054, Dunnstral wrote:What Gin failed to account for is that he's revealing who is and isn't a real vig

@Zach really though, you not believing gins claim was baseless and I can only hope you're not a pr when I push you
Why were you discrediting gin and his claim?
claiming a Zach push, isn't your vote on Wraith???
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Post Post #3570 (isolation #127) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:15 am

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In post 3070, Dunnstral wrote:I'd be willing to lynch echo :)
okay now he's starting to move over to me. now I leave. I'll be back.
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Post Post #3619 (isolation #128) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:21 am

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In post 3080, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3076, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:What's the right path?
That's what I'm figuring out. Prob lynch wraith vig rb and investigate whoever; and lynch echo tomorrow
why the fuck would you vig rb he's an ic...
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Post Post #3622 (isolation #129) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:25 am

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In post 3571, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 3562, Human Sequencer wrote:echo is that the reason you originally disbelieved his fakeclaim?
sorry, was just focusing on the iso. but no I just found this looking at his iso didn't notice it before
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Post Post #3623 (isolation #130) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:31 am

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In post 3611, Dunnstral wrote:willing to lynch echo after that recent display.
why cause I actually have reasons to scum read you and you don't have shit on me?
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Post Post #3624 (isolation #131) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:33 am

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okay now I'm going back through his iso again. I shall return.
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Post Post #3625 (isolation #132) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:38 am

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In post 3084, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to wade through your posts anymore
wanted to vig Alisae because of his posts... that reason is shittier than your non existant reason for me
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Post Post #3626 (isolation #133) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:39 am

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Shit gotta leave ill be back shortly and on my pc
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Post Post #3671 (isolation #134) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:57 pm

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In post 3631, Wraith wrote:
In post 3629, Severa wrote:VOTE: Wraith

This is a better wagon.

Titus, let's deal. If I'm wrong I will vote SlickDilinger with you. If I'm right, nothing besides ego points.

This is scum and I need your vote to lynch it. I am superconfident in you being town.
It's funny how you haven't elaborated why I'm scum outside of "This is scum"
they haven't done that about me either, just claimed I'm scummy
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Post Post #3672 (isolation #135) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:01 pm

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In post 3652, Wraith wrote:
In post 3650, drealmerz7 wrote:wraith can you see dunnstral lynch today or should I move to kyouko?
Dunn's not getting lynched if I can help it
What do you have against the dunn wagon??

btw i forgot this game existed since my last post... do you guys want me to keep going through his iso or no??
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Post Post #3673 (isolation #136) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:03 pm

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In post 3656, Wraith wrote:Also @Titus:

Slick was at L-1 for like a total 48 cumulative hours. If someone was going to hammer they would've done it by now. So clearly remaining town players who weren't already on the wagon aren't going to be satisfied with lynching lurker!scum.

At least we can also surmise that Slick is either:

1. Not Town

If he was Town scum would've capitalized on the easy mislynch and hammered IMO. Hammering Slick would have been an easy one to excuse oneself for since he has been lurking so hardcore.

2. All rival scumteam already on the wagon

If he is scum then the rival scumteam was already on the wagon and couldn't hammer.
i feel like even if they did hammer they'd get shit tomorrow if he flipped green (town not scum color shit) and they'd get too much attention drawn to themselves.
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Post Post #3674 (isolation #137) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:05 pm

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In post 3666, Zachstralkita wrote:You'll note I haven't even given any reasons for why I voted Kyouko. I just put my vote there to see how he would react to the wagon.

What's disconcerting is I don't think anyone really pointed out that I provided dick shit in the way of reasoning.




His reaction was okay. And for the record all talk about the "blue" situation is total bullshit for a scumread. You don't scumread people for colors lol, let alone the color that's normally opposite to red.

Now for the.. main course


VOTE: Creature
Are you talking about Wraith's scumread on him? Because Wraith has said numerous times that's not the reason
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Post Post #3675 (isolation #138) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:06 pm

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In post 3666, Zachstralkita wrote:You'll note I haven't even given any reasons for why I voted Kyouko. I just put my vote there to see how he would react to the wagon.

What's disconcerting is I don't think anyone really pointed out that I provided dick shit in the way of reasoning.




His reaction was okay. And for the record all talk about the "blue" situation is total bullshit for a scumread. You don't scumread people for colors lol, let alone the color that's normally opposite to red.

Now for the.. main course


VOTE: Creature
also you haven't provided dick shit in the way of reasoning for this vote

yeah i caught that. sup hoe.
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Post Post #3676 (isolation #139) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:10 pm

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also i'd just like to point out that i am upset cause large normal 201 beat us in page count, they're at >150 on d1
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Post Post #3680 (isolation #140) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:52 pm

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I'm getting a town read from him, he seems to be genuine with most of his reads and he seems to be scum finding. Haven't paid much attention to that slot though but I will eventually.
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Post Post #3682 (isolation #141) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:02 pm

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was part cause I don't think creature is scum and part cause I felt like being a pain in the ass and part cause i felt it just had to be pointed out
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Post Post #3686 (isolation #142) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:46 pm

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In post 3683, Alisae wrote:And you don't think Creature is scum because?
How do I know you aren't chainsawing Creature?
cause I don't even own a chainsaw
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Post Post #3688 (isolation #143) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:00 pm

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In post 3687, Alisae wrote:Answer the question or get powerwagoned kay thanks.
kind of difficult when I don't know what the fuck chainsawing means
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Post Post #3694 (isolation #144) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:54 pm

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okay so you're scum reading me because I said that Zach wasn't giving evidence to his vote, like he said earlier in his post he didn't do last time, and because I don't agree with his vote? I don't really understand how saying I don't think someone is scum makes me scum but oh well, start your wagon I doubt it'll end in a lynch...
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Post Post #3696 (isolation #145) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:56 pm

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also if you're going by this scum tell list read the whole scum tell cause it says this:

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell. Mutual Chainsaw Defense may, however, still be an outright scumtell; more research is required here.

neither of us have been revealed scum so by that guide your reason is shit
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Post Post #3730 (isolation #146) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:51 am

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dunn is sheeping someone's vote cause he's talking about fluff so much. God damn marshmallows
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Post Post #3731 (isolation #147) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:52 am

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obvious sarcasm is obvious
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Post Post #3741 (isolation #148) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:02 pm

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what does rc mean
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Post Post #3750 (isolation #149) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:31 am

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honestly I'd prefer a slick wagon over a Wraith wagon... but obviously I'd rather lynch Dunn over anyone
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Post Post #3906 (isolation #150) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:47 am

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In post 3779, Severa wrote:Wraith is scumbuddies with EchoVision.
I could theoretically jump back onto Echo but I think that Wraith is the much more likely lynch to go through.
I mean SlickDilinger could be scum but he's not exactly a strong scumread and I'd much rather lynch someone else.
Wraith is not a counterwagon. In fact I think that everyone voting him is town. Rather, SSBM and Dunnstral are attempts to generate a counterwagon to the Wraith lynch since Slick didn't work out.
I had my vote on Dunn since before the slick wagon even started so idk what the fuck you're talking about
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Post Post #3907 (isolation #151) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:50 am

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In post 3784, Zachstralkita wrote:Someone, one of you, should sell me Echo. Actually when something's on the menu they normally put words next to it. Here there's blank space. I didn't find his consistent cursing and xdjjdjfhjei AI, and I asked him to elaborate on the Dunn read that he didn't before and though I don't agree with his conclusion, it's something I can see him coming to based on my image of him.
Severa hasn't elaborated on a single one of their reads yet, even when asked. Just kinda seems like he's dodging it because he really has no reason for his wagons
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Post Post #3908 (isolation #152) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:52 am

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In post 3793, drealmerz7 wrote:severa that focus on the wagon numbers at this point is extremely suspect to me

you should be voting for who you think is most likely scum and encouraging others to do the same
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Post Post #3909 (isolation #153) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:54 am

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In post 3803, Severa wrote:
In post 3629, Severa wrote:VOTE: Wraith

This is a better wagon.

Titus, let's deal. If I'm wrong I will vote SlickDilinger with you. If I'm right, nothing besides ego points.

This is scum and I need your vote to lynch it. I am superconfident in you being town.
was this your reason for voting Wraith? cause it's missing something.

A FUCKING REASON
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Post Post #3910 (isolation #154) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:55 am

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In post 3805, Severa wrote:
In post 3804, drealmerz7 wrote:wraith is town, fools
He would in fact say this about a scumbuddy, for the record.
so who in this game isn't scumbuddies with Wraith other than Titus according to you...
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Post Post #3912 (isolation #155) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:03 am

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In post 3811, Severa wrote:Scum don't like it when I'm leading lynches. I am going to eat at least one nightkill tonight.

If a wagon on me had legitimate momentum then I guarantee you Wraith's entire team would vote me and members of the other scumteam would also be on it.
well no shit if a wagon starts then scum are going to vote it that's common sense
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Post Post #3915 (isolation #156) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:08 am

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In post 3821, Severa wrote:Zach, you are the kind of player who I would never try to convince because I don't think anyone is capable of changing your reads.

I will provide a more solid case at some point if it becomes required but it's certainly not for your benefit.
we don't really need a more solid case we just need a fucking case
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Post Post #3918 (isolation #157) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:18 am

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In post 3885, Severa wrote:@Zach and others, I will provide a more coherent case on Wraith tomorrow.
haven't you said that 68 fucking times
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Post Post #3920 (isolation #158) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:25 am

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In post 3911, Wraith wrote:
In post 3910, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3805, Severa wrote:
In post 3804, drealmerz7 wrote:wraith is town, fools
He would in fact say this about a scumbuddy, for the record.
so who in this game isn't scumbuddies with Wraith other than Titus according to you...
I think there's a 75% chance it's not rb
I'd only give it a 4% chance his posts seem scummy as fuck

obvious sarcasm is obvious
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Post Post #3921 (isolation #159) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:26 am

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In post 3919, MortFeld wrote:Was Pine replaced by Severa?

What are people's thoughts on All Alone? I think they are scum.
yes severa replaced pine. I didn't even know all alone was still in this game tbh
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Post Post #4068 (isolation #160) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:32 am

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In post 3962, MortFeld wrote:Ok I'll focus on Wraith when I get back.

Why are people who aren't you scumreading Dunnstral? (echo, debi)
i made a case a few pages back, don't feel like going to find it
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Post Post #4072 (isolation #161) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:37 am

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In post 3976, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 3967, drealmerz7 wrote:uhh, it's a fucking game, get over it

I speak the truth, albeit harshly, if you can't handle it, get out of mafia

I did not create this gamestate

I'm simply a result of it, maybe if you'd lynch the true shit-negative aspects of this game, I wouldn't be like this

your attitude has been continuously horrible towards me HS, and that post is no different

go whine to your mommy
The post of a literal ten year old.
'I am responsible for nothing, it's everybody's fault but mine, if you don't like it it's your fault, go away'
Grow up.

isn't the kind of post an 'empath' makes. It's the kind of post somebody makes when they create negativity within themselves and decide to use it to discredit, damage and drag down another human being for no reason whatsoever.
Mort made a human mistake that was literally nothing at all and said vocally 'I gotta do that thing'. You jumped on board and said 'Yeah you're shit meaningless if you don't do that thing omfgdude holyfuck'.
You're such an 'empath'! You're not negative at all!

I don't want to shit up the thread with this. I'm not that mad at you, I just really want you to stop being so hateful. It kills the game for everybody, and we're all supposed to be having fun. I take responsibility for the gamestate. You should too.

I don't understand why you're taking this so harshly, what he said was true. If he doesn't know important information about the game, his catchups are swayed. For example, when he didn't know rb was IC, he was scumreading rb and that was a waste of his time...
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Post Post #4074 (isolation #162) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:46 am

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In post 4005, drealmerz7 wrote:can you please use a small d and add an l?

dreamer bothers me, capital D bothers me

:\

*adds content to the post*

my issue with ircher not being town is that he just modded a game where I was scum, and so I have no idea where his scum-read on me is coming from, I'm totally different here and he should have some insight into my scumgame to see that that's not what I have going on here
HI DREAMER

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Post Post #4076 (isolation #163) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:48 am

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In post 4011, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 3937, Zachstralkita wrote:It looks like he just made an assumption. Also that weird Debinometry.

I dont think assuming multi ball in a large by default is a scumclaim.

Is your position that he didn't assume, he made a concrete statement?
Zach this isn't rocket science. Wraith has spent the whole game assuming multiball and freaking out that anyone who FOSes him is opposite faction scum who genuinely scumreads him.
That does not come from town.
where the fuck did you come from wtf
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Post Post #4082 (isolation #164) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:00 am

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In post 4036, Severa wrote:
In post 4033, drealmerz7 wrote:for the record:

I was figuring it likely multi-ball from signups...so you need to all get off your 'omg he multi-ball knowledge slipped!' cases because they are empty and you give me scumpings trying to make that a reason to lynch someone

it's called being an intuitive, smart, perceptive, whatever, player
It's not about the multiball assumption. I can figure out multiball very easily by the way my scumreads behave. Read the NY I was in with Titus where I said confidently that the game was multiball on the 20th page just based on how scum were acting.

It's the fact that he unreasonably assumed that the 9 scum theory, which wasn't a serious suggestion, meant that the person was suggesting multiball, which meant that they were scum.

That thought process doesn't come from anyone who isn't already scum who are looking for people to slip multiball.
everything you say relates back to titus are you trying to get in titus' pants or somethin
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Post Post #4083 (isolation #165) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:04 am

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In post 4049, Titus wrote:
In post 4046, Severa wrote:
In post 4043, Titus wrote:
In post 4036, Severa wrote:
In post 4033, drealmerz7 wrote:for the record:

I was figuring it likely multi-ball from signups...so you need to all get off your 'omg he multi-ball knowledge slipped!' cases because they are empty and you give me scumpings trying to make that a reason to lynch someone

it's called being an intuitive, smart, perceptive, whatever, player
It's not about the multiball assumption. I can figure out multiball very easily by the way my scumreads behave. Read the NY I was in with Titus where I said confidently that the game was multiball on the 20th page just based on how scum were acting.

It's the fact that he unreasonably assumed that the 9 scum theory, which wasn't a serious suggestion, meant that the person was suggesting multiball, which meant that they were scum.

That thought process doesn't come from anyone who isn't already scum who are looking for people to slip multiball.
Show specific posts.

This reeks of being a stretch to warrant lynching town and you do not frequently visit the moon.
*facepalm*

I am not scum because I do not support your first choice of lynch, Titus.
That's not what I said.

I said show me the specific posts where you're making your conclusion because your case reeks of being a desperation ploy to save Slick and Echo.
wait who's saving me and what am i being saved from
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Post Post #4086 (isolation #166) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:09 am

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In post 4078, Severa wrote:
In post 4076, EchoVision wrote:
In post 4011, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 3937, Zachstralkita wrote:It looks like he just made an assumption. Also that weird Debinometry.

I dont think assuming multi ball in a large by default is a scumclaim.

Is your position that he didn't assume, he made a concrete statement?
Zach this isn't rocket science. Wraith has spent the whole game assuming multiball and freaking out that anyone who FOSes him is opposite faction scum who genuinely scumreads him.
That does not come from town.
where the fuck did you come from wtf
I came from hell and I'm going to send you and your scumbuddies back there.

not you you fuck you've been here
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Post Post #4087 (isolation #167) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:10 am

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In post 4085, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4082, EchoVision wrote:
In post 4036, Severa wrote:
In post 4033, drealmerz7 wrote:for the record:

I was figuring it likely multi-ball from signups...so you need to all get off your 'omg he multi-ball knowledge slipped!' cases because they are empty and you give me scumpings trying to make that a reason to lynch someone

it's called being an intuitive, smart, perceptive, whatever, player
It's not about the multiball assumption. I can figure out multiball very easily by the way my scumreads behave. Read the NY I was in with Titus where I said confidently that the game was multiball on the 20th page just based on how scum were acting.

It's the fact that he unreasonably assumed that the 9 scum theory, which wasn't a serious suggestion, meant that the person was suggesting multiball, which meant that they were scum.

That thought process doesn't come from anyone who isn't already scum who are looking for people to slip multiball.
everything you say relates back to titus are you trying to get in titus' pants or somethin
:?: are you scum
you should know who your scum buddies are by your role pm why are you asking me
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Post Post #4179 (isolation #168) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:01 pm

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In post 4100, Severa wrote:Also I'd like to point out that Echovision keeps trying to discredit me and my Wraith push. I'm assuming that was the purpose of the 'trying to get into Titus's pants' comment.
He goes tomorrow.
no, it was cause you're always up titus' ass. you started the game off just asking for their top reads blah blah blah asked if your vote was okay with her and it's like you're her bitch but she doesn't want you to be her bitch
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Post Post #4181 (isolation #169) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:04 pm

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In post 4100, Severa wrote:Also I'd like to point out that Echovision keeps trying to discredit me and my Wraith push. I'm assuming that was the purpose of the 'trying to get into Titus's pants' comment.
He goes tomorrow.
forgot to mention it's cause your Wraith push is shit. give reasons behind it at least instead of repeatedly calling him scummy...
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Post Post #4182 (isolation #170) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:05 pm

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In post 4111, Titus wrote:
In post 4100, Severa wrote:Also I'd like to point out that Echovision keeps trying to discredit me and my Wraith push. I'm assuming that was the purpose of the 'trying to get into Titus's pants' comment.
He goes tomorrow.
We are not lynching Wraith today on your garbage. You want Wraith, bring good evidence that's worth letting near confirmed scum go and wrecking my VCA.
RE FUCKING TWEET
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Post Post #4183 (isolation #171) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:06 pm

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In post 4116, Severa wrote:Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.
you must have sucked in English cause you don't support jack shit with evidence...
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Post Post #4184 (isolation #172) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:07 pm

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In post 4120, Severa wrote:
In post 4118, Titus wrote:
In post 4116, Severa wrote:Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.
No. Wraith and Mort are town.
Titus your reads are wrong this game.
then why are you trying to get in her pants
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Post Post #4186 (isolation #173) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:10 pm

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In post 4127, Severa wrote:I'm not sure if I ever told you but there's a set of metrics I use when going over your reads to determine whether your reads are good or not.
The reason I sheeped you on Fire in TTH's game was because every single metric said that your read on the remaining slots would be on point.
Did you know that when you're absolutely unwilling to consider compromise then your lynch wagon is nearly always on town?
Conversely, when you are actually on scum, you are usually way more willing to compromise and a lot less sure of yourself.
Did you know that when you're directly trying to connect wagons and put together scumteams early you are usually wrong?
Conversely, when your read is something more along the lines of 'This 1 person is scum and I don't know what else is going on' your read is usually right.
I understand that you are perceiving me adversarially here but with your current play I have very good reason to not want to follow you and your creature vote is going the exact wrong direction.
and I am fucking confident in Wraith/Echo scum. I am very, very, very rarely this confident in a scumteam this early in the game but there is literally nothing pointing me away from them being a scumteam.
it'll point you away when Wraith and I both flip green
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Post Post #4187 (isolation #174) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:11 pm

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In post 4132, MortFeld wrote:Is it just because there are too many wagons for us to consolidate if we discuss All Alone?
I'll go through AA's iso soon, probably tomorrow morning if I have time
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Post Post #4189 (isolation #175) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:18 pm

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In post 4185, MortFeld wrote:
In post 4181, EchoVision wrote:
In post 4100, Severa wrote:Also I'd like to point out that Echovision keeps trying to discredit me and my Wraith push. I'm assuming that was the purpose of the 'trying to get into Titus's pants' comment.
He goes tomorrow.
forgot to mention it's cause your Wraith push is shit. give reasons behind it at least instead of repeatedly calling him scummy...
Wait. Servera has given a reason. Do you not understand it or do you deny it happened?
when did they give a reason...?
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Post Post #4190 (isolation #176) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:20 pm

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skimmed very lightly through the iso and didn't see shit...? am I missing it?
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Post Post #4218 (isolation #177) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:10 pm

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In post 4194, Alisae wrote:WAIT A MINUTE....I'VE BEEN FOSING EVERYONE WHO SR'D ME YESTERDAY AS WELL!
DOES THAT MAKE ME SCUM?
half the fucking game SR'd you yesterday to be fair...
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Post Post #4220 (isolation #178) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:11 pm

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In post 4195, Severa wrote:
In post 4193, Zachstralkita wrote:Im with Titus on that one tbh, think its a reach
I don't think that you're a bad player because you were wrong in one game. I think you're a bad player because your reads are consistently poor and you constantly reject solid reasoning.

They are going to flip scum.
he's not rejecting solid reasoning, your reasoning is so un-solid that it must be a liquid...
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Post Post #4221 (isolation #179) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:13 pm

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In post 4201, Severa wrote:
In post 4184, EchoVision wrote:
In post 4120, Severa wrote:
In post 4118, Titus wrote:
In post 4116, Severa wrote:Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.
No. Wraith and Mort are town.
Titus your reads are wrong this game.
then why are you trying to get in her pants
One more of these kinds of comments and I am reporting you. There's really no need at all to continually sexualize our interactions regardless of your wincon.
You're of the opinion that we've played enough for you to label anything I've done as consistent?
I've read several other games that you've been in and came to the same conclusion. This game is just the latest in a line of games where you were scum's MVP.
Severa, that reasoning is not solid. There's merit to it but not lock scum like you're declaring.
That is your opinion and it is a bad opinion because you don't understand the game like I do. That slot is lock scum, period.
you're not actually trying to get into her pants and i know that, i'm just using that as you saying you're trying to follow her around like you're her pet. guess you can't take jokes though, so i have to spell it out...
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Post Post #4222 (isolation #180) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:15 pm

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In post 4205, Severa wrote:Titus is just being Titus in a game where her reads are wrong and she hasn't realized it yet. I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you a poor mafia player. I'm sure that you are a generally intelligent and kind person with a great personality but that does not make your reads here any less wrong and your stubbornness in fighting the lynch I want any less egregious.
lol you're calling him stubborn...

where is there a single case (that isn't dog shit) for any of your votes???
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Post Post #4224 (isolation #181) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:19 pm

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In post 4223, Alisae wrote:Echo there is a difference between making a joke and crossing a line.
You crossed a line.
and you crossed into a conversation you weren't even in...
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Post Post #4225 (isolation #182) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:22 pm

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roses are red
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fuck you all
i want page top
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Post Post #4243 (isolation #183) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:21 pm

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In post 4231, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pls no stay in my pocket.
who did you replace?? must have missed that message cause i've got absolutely no clue who the fuck you are... lol
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Post Post #4244 (isolation #184) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:21 pm

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In post 4231, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pls no stay in my pocket.
OH YOU'RE TITUS ON AN ALT MAN ISN'T READING HARD
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Post Post #4248 (isolation #185) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:23 pm

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oh then rc i don't like you <3
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Post Post #4253 (isolation #186) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:31 pm

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In post 4251, MortFeld wrote:Oh he's posting on an alt.

annoying
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Post Post #4255 (isolation #187) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:33 pm

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In post 4254, Alisae wrote:Also Echo has been annoying this whole day and people complain about me not adding anything.
i'm annoying every day what the fuck do you mean
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Post Post #4256 (isolation #188) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:33 pm

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at least i haven't had policy lynches against me for being annoying unlike
someone else
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Post Post #4262 (isolation #189) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:04 pm

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In post 4258, MortFeld wrote:Yeah AA is prob town.
i think you still have your vote on them though? you may have unvoted but i don't remember it.
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Post Post #4263 (isolation #190) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:04 pm

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In post 4257, Alisae wrote:the difference between me and you is that you're scum and I'm town.
then lynch me fucker
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Post Post #4287 (isolation #191) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:52 pm

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In post 4283, Severa wrote:In fact it feels like Mort has looked into EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAGON for today BESIDES the biggest and best wagon Wraith.

Does anyone else feel like that's deliberate?
I know. Trust I've not been able to sit and read for more than like, 30 minutes today.
Okay but you've looked into AA, asked about Dunnstral, and many many others.
still waiting for your fucking case
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Post Post #4317 (isolation #192) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:54 am

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In post 4296, Severa wrote:I have no intention of answering any questions that aren't directly about how Wraith is scum and that's already in my ISO.
just read through all 70 posts of your iso and not one includes a good case on why Wraith or d7 or me or any other one of your scum reads are scum...
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Post Post #4395 (isolation #193) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:04 pm

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In post 4348, The Rebbe wrote:It's getting late and I'm headed off to bed. I'll binge read this in the morning and will hopefully give you all my thoughts by the evening.

I want to ISO Pine and Alisae
Severa/RadiantCoweblls replaced pine, so if you're ISOing pines slot make sure you iso those slots too
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Post Post #4398 (isolation #194) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:07 pm

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In post 4367, MortFeld wrote:Wraith

so no RVS vote to start. I never like when people decline to RVS in their first post but it's prob NAI
when I read Debi it was CLEAR to me that she was newb and pulled a ratio out of nowhere. It's one of the
reasons I strongly townread the slot. Scum doesn't come up with an absurd hypothetical ratio and spend
paragraphs analyzing the math around it when scum knows how many people are on their team. Wraith
assumed two things:
1. that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge and because of this
2. that the setup was multiball
That the setup is actually multiball could be confbias but I do agree with Severa here. Why would town ever
think that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge? 9/19 is absurd and everyone including Wraith pointed this out.
Yet Wraith, rather than doing what (?) Creature (? Don't remember who this was might have been Pine) did
and repeat "Adapt" 30 times, took Debi at face value. This belies a paranoia that I don't think is town.
Arguments against this are essentially "But Wraith has done towny things" and "This is reachy" so I'm
keeping these in mind as I read.
Wraith continues to maintain that Debi has foreknowledge. It is not a possibility in Wraith's mind that Debi
is newb and has no idea what she is talking about.
more of Wraith's not allowing that Debi is newb.
Wraith allows that Debi might be newb.
Ircher says 'yo dude you're assumin a lot and it ain't helpful' Wraith says 'nah it is helpful bro'
starts off towny. Alisae's vote was awful. But I can see scum!Wraith making that post assuming Alisae is
not on his scumteam. Especially without even a vote, just like 'yo look at this scummery!' He then goes on to say
he doesn't like rb's entrance but doesn't say why (for the record, I've seen town rb enter other games in a very
similar way) and he townleans Echo and Grey. Echo+Wraith is Severa's proposed scumteam and Grey is
confscum, so /shrug idk imma keep reading.
is grosss accusing now conftown rb of a scumslip and then spending two paragraphs speculating about
multiball. I get that multiball/no multiball is part of the basis for his rb vote, but that honestly makes it worse
for me. Maybe I am bad but as town I wasn't even thinking about multiball before it was confirmed.
does Grey make this vote if he and Wraith are a scumteam? Probably not, imo
Wraith has already said he thinks Alisae is lynchbait () and that he shouldn't lynch lynchbait that day,
but now he's 180ing and focusing on Ali's Pine townread - which is a bad townread yes but stuff like that is exactly
why Ali is considered lynchbait. He also recalls her Wraith vote which I get, it's a bad vote. But it feels like he
tosses it in with other pieces of 'evidence' as part of an Ali case, given that nobody latched onto it originally. He's
also explicitly fence sitting between rb and Ali wagons.
apologizes for Debi vote… NAI. I've seen both town and scum do this. Reading the rest of 681 it honestly looks
really town. I agree with a lot of what he says and it's really measured, objective, and gamesolvy. His reads are
confusing though for their lack of Dunn and LUV who had both been fairly active.
so this is a D7 flashwagon? Hm. Sitting out is NAI I think but I don't like using unmentionable player trends as
justification for a read. Not sure if it's actually anti-town.
ugghhhh these walls I hate walls (knowing full well I am creating some - I would never ever do this
if I didn't replace in after 150 pages). Don't like some of his reads. HS' 1007 is not that bad. Townreads Grey
(though I do highly doubt they're on a scumteam). Don't get the Alisae read, gotta actually read 1097. In general
the reads are based on how much sense players make - not sure if that shows scum/town intent.
ok I guess this could be town. I don't think it's too arguable than an Alisae lynch would be pro-town in
some respects.
Dude I can't deal with Wraith's playstyle. He doesn't even link posts.
why is he scumreading Gin now? (ok, I can see this) and the vig claim. Given that Gin was actually
fakeclaiming I guess I can see this. But you've been saying Gin is the voice of reason all game and now a post from
AA and Gin's claim that you don't believe transform him from TOP TOWNREAD to SCUMREAD… a little fishy
Hmm. Wraith insists on a Gin lynch a lot. Could be that he believes the claim and wants to push the Vig lynch
through.
Disclaimer, I am skimming. Eyes are getting tired.
Census. What was the percentage of people who believed Gin vs people who didn't? Clearly he was lynched so.
Dunnstral's is pinging me.
grossssssss why is Alisae town now?? This renews the idea of Wraith+Greyslot scumteam. honestly
looks like the reads you'd get if you knew it wasn't multiball.
Taking a break bc sleep.

TL;DR Wraith might be town. But I don't like at all and there are enough weird poorly justified switches in opinion to give me pause. Could be explained by Wraith's constant missing a lot and catching up, or that could be a built-in excuse for having reads on the periphery.
SEVERA TAKE FUCKING NOTES THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A CASE
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Post Post #4400 (isolation #195) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:15 pm

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In post 4370, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 2958, EchoVision wrote:pine go away

VOTE: pine
In post 3531, EchoVision wrote:hey New Guy (idk your name yet and I don't feel like looking back oh well) how would you feel if I hammered slick since you're so against his lynch

pedit: over reacted to what??
In post 3541, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3538, Severa wrote:
In post 3531, EchoVision wrote:hey New Guy (idk your name yet and I don't feel like looking back oh well) how would you feel if I hammered slick since you're so against his lynch

pedit: over reacted to what??
Excuse me!? Go ahead, scumclaim. It'll make this lynch even easier!
kinda tempting... if he were to flip scum would we get a severa wagon tomorrow?
In post 3544, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3542, Alisae wrote:Echo one word: Multiball
yes but if they both turned out to be scum, I doubt severa would be protecting someone on the opposite scum team. also, have to remember severa replaced pine who some people seemed to have a decent amount of suspicion on
In post 3750, EchoVision wrote:honestly I'd prefer a slick wagon over a Wraith wagon... but obviously I'd rather lynch Dunn over anyone
In post 3907, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3784, Zachstralkita wrote:Someone, one of you, should sell me Echo. Actually when something's on the menu they normally put words next to it. Here there's blank space. I didn't find his consistent cursing and xdjjdjfhjei AI, and I asked him to elaborate on the Dunn read that he didn't before and though I don't agree with his conclusion, it's something I can see him coming to based on my image of him.
Severa hasn't elaborated on a single one of their reads yet, even when asked. Just kinda seems like he's dodging it because he really has no reason for his wagons
In post 4317, EchoVision wrote:
In post 4296, Severa wrote:I have no intention of answering any questions that aren't directly about how Wraith is scum and that's already in my ISO.
just read through all 70 posts of your iso and not one includes a good case on why Wraith or d7 or me or any other one of your scum reads are scum...
Hey Echo, Alisae, want to go back to the pine slot? I don't like the lack of reasoning from the others on the Wraith wagon, and they were pretty against the slick lynch. I'd still lynch slick too but it still stands that if he's scum the other team might just shoot him anyways and we can wait on lynching him until after a full team appears to be dead

VOTE: Severa

I don't really like some of the company I have on the Wraith wagon and I don't like the reasons (or lack thereof) that my company has given for being there, something is fishy about this wagon and the stench rises from Sev/AA most imo, Alisae always throws his vote around.
was thinking about it earlier. let me catch up and I'll see.
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Post Post #4401 (isolation #196) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:16 pm

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In post 4376, Severa wrote:This shouldn't be half as much effort as it has been. Wraith is obvious scum and if you haven't voted him / think that he is town you are BAD. you are a SHIT PLAYER.
This is not me being a scumhunting genius catching a pro scum player this is me pointing out the single most poorly played scum game that I have seen since 2015.
maybe if you made a fucking case it would be easier
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Post Post #4403 (isolation #197) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:19 pm

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In post 4396, Dunnstral wrote:Really though, all alone I barely even noticed was in the game and I don't like them moving to vote wraith.

Slickdilinger reached l-1 multiple times I think and people avoid talking about him

I haven't read the majority of the past 50 or so pages because it's a chore and a few people are spamming the game and other are dumb
I like the first third of this post.
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Post Post #4405 (isolation #198) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:20 pm

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In post 4399, Alisae wrote:Echo that's cool.
Vote Wraith now.
make a case on him, cause I don't see what's so scummy about him. haven't really went through his iso or anything though, been focused on other people.
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Post Post #4408 (isolation #199) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:21 pm

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In post 4402, Titus wrote:Echo, I know you're buddying me, but I don't care. As long as you're voting scum and aren't the major wagon, I can use you.
how am I buddying you I think I've talked to you like twice this game lmao
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