Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

[Staeg]

first

VOTE: Nahdia
Also why is the "user" button in the middle of the vote and unvote buttons ;_;

[Staeg]

practitioners of the Turtle Path

Intriguing.

[Staeg]

Not intriguing at all, actually.

[Staeg]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dunnstral

[Staeg]

Get these votes off of me

Plural?

[Staeg]

I think Dunnstral may be [town] for highlighting what he thought was a soft in thread. Rather than, you know, taking it back to the scumthread and parsing what it may actually allude to.

I mean, he coulda done both, but my inclination is to think someone wouldn't bring up the same topic in two places. Maybe. I dunno. Maybe not.

Do you think scum would have any way to work off that... soft? I mean, you must, since otherwise--

[Staeg]

The camn wagon seems rather boring. On top of that, a lot of people sure are talking about the thing you're not supposed to talk about.

[Staeg]

47-49 is burnworthy stuff

[Staeg]

Spyrex/camntsuki/other pokemons who have played in previous Fate-games: what lead you to believe that the VC thing was role-related and not another one of Fate's fanciful flourishes?

47-49 is burnworthy stuff

there is something missing from this post can you spot it[/quote]
Don't you see it?

SED what do you think about these votecount shenanigens

Dunnstral - why ask this of "SED" in particular? Did you expect him to have specific information on these "shenanigens"?

Infinity wagon is good but dunnstral votes are better.

Yes. Me. Whiteknighting. On page 1. Of course. Yes. You got me.

SAD is a sad, grumpy man.

VOTE: pirate mollie

Is the wk accusation the main reason why you're voting mollie?

you didn't roll the second R in heartbreaking!

Is this important?

[Staeg]

Infinity wagon is good but dunnstral votes are better.

To elaborate on this: dunny's play is inconsistent with information available to the town role he's softed.

[Staeg]

Anyone want to claim non-turtle?

I think Staeg did already

I did not >_>

[Staeg]

Infinity wagon is good but dunnstral votes are better.

To elaborate on this: dunny's play is inconsistent with information available to the town role he's softed.

I don't see what role he's softed.

Because I didn't soft a role.

I'm pretty sure drealmerz is town, by the way

So these -

Get these votes off of me

I was just getting ready

- were not it? You're not one of the twenty people who shouldn't be voted?

[Staeg]

I get the sense that either Dunn/Nahdia are scum partners or that just one of them is scum. Something is not sitting right re: their interactions with one another. Both players appear very awkward when speaking about the other. Either because they are partners or because one of them is scum and is unsure how to best position themselves given the spotlight that has been trained on them. I'd encourage others to read over these last few posts and see if you get the same notions or if I'm just suffering from confirmation bias when I connect Dunn to Nahdia.

283 in particular just throws up all sorts of red flags.

Would you still say that you prefer Nahdia as a lynch to Dunn?

[Staeg]

Also willing to wagon infinity. Nahdia's fairly close to the neutral line, but not for lack of variance: basically all of her posts lean one way or the other. SED seems town.

[Staeg]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Infinity

[Staeg]

Woo 7 pages or something

Third,

Staeg

- I have some questions, and answers for you.

what lead you to believe that the VC thing was role-related and not another one of Fate's fanciful flourishes?

We didn't ever think that. But Fate fucking with the VC, via Rolebased, RNG-based, or lol-based was all equally likely. It looks like it was sake-based though.

Hmm ok

For you-

practitioners of the Turtle Path

Intriguing.

This post. Why? Humor me here... why post that? It just caught my eye on re-read.. and I'm curious/have thoughts.

This is the only place where it is referenced as "Turtle Path". Upon reexamining some things I came to the conclusion that it's completely irrelevant, however.

Nahdia's mollie vote makes my flamethrower arm tingle. Did not much like the followup "it's day 1 tho" either.

but would be more inclined to think he'd do it as scum, especially since he's been rolling scum a LOT and if he got scum this game he probably needs another element to keep his charisma and enthusiasm up and something like that would do it.

What the FUCK is this?
The entire post feels off to boot.
And the ragey reaction to camntsuki's appropriate dismissal.

[Staeg]

And then dreal goes from ragey tantrums against camn to asking spyspy how to pronounce his name in under 40 minutes..
Hnng.

[Staeg]

If you are town, mollie, maybe you should actually read the words and try to take some of it to heart. Because right now, you're voting a town with confidence and thus in major error. Learn from your mistakes, friend.

Heebie-jeebies from your repeated affirmations that you're town and people voting you are voting town.

[Staeg]

To be fair, I also had the impression that ~many people~ were polishing their nacho-seeking missiles, so I can see where spyrex is coming from.

Staeg I have to look into more. At first I thought he was fluffposting but then he stopped and there could've been some plan to all of it. I asked him about the seeming fluff early on and I'm waiting for an answer.

Ah right, that. What? There's some RVS in there, then there's the thing I responded to cupcake about already, then there's me targeting laser-sights on dunn, and then there's commentary on all the noteworthy things I could spot.
Furthermore, what plan were you thinking was even possible in a "fluffpost->disappear->???->goodthings" format?

[Staeg]

Btw, Staeg, from what I've seen here, turtle-ness is probably pretty important.

I'd be willing to bet our role names are of the form: <flavored rolename>, a <Turtle/scumflavor> Mystic.

I was thinking more about the Path than the Turtle.

[Staeg]

[expression of dislike for the previous 3 posts that should be unearthed in a far-away time and land]

[Staeg]

Help you're both scum

[Staeg]

If I had to hang one of you right this instant it would be cupcake

[Staeg]

Okay, no, 616 was abominable.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

[Staeg]

These 1v1s never pan out tho

[Staeg]

Hello friends.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: dreal

I still don't like either cupcake or spyrex, but dreal's just something else entirely. He's also massively preferable over nacho, although I wouldn't say I'm too confident that he's town, either (interpretation: voting nacho only as plan Z, but even that shouldn't be necessary given how many people went "ye could do with a noose 'round nacho's neck")-
The cheese and nachos post of dreal was incredibly fake, his subsequent push based on past utterances and observations lacks basis and overall dreal just feels like a robot that hasn't quite gotten the correct code for looking human.

In other news, I didn't particularly like zito's incredisarcasm reaction to people not being thrilled by his camn case and jump - out of proportion. His only subsequent posts are taunts replying to perhaps the only objectively good post in the entire thread. Brrr.

[Staeg]

(I have been phased out of this game because a) I got myself into too much work I didn't know how to do so I had to learn skillsss and b) this game is happening in the opposite timezone from me which is very unfortunati. This month is exams time which I have mostly already finished, so I'll switch my sleep schedule around to accomodate being awake the entire night.)

[Staeg]

Dunn's Nacho push is beyond bullshit.

[Staeg]

Dunn's Nacho push is beyond bullshit.

then listen to mine, I think it is likely that nacho picked up their was something going between dunn/dreamz and his push on dreamz was beyond bullshit as was your and rc's. you voted him for playstyle reasons but it is possible that is what you find scummy and nacho can usually parse the difference between playstyle and genuine alignment.

the fact that hop to discredit dunn while ignoring my case but I guess that yesterday too is gross.

Yours being that nacho's life and spirit is not in this game and that it's alignment indicative to the extreme?
Even more question marks about the dreal vote being for playstyle reasons??

After thinking things through I am thoroughly puzzled why anyone would want to crumb having orbs.
VOTE: Infinity

[Staeg]

the fact that hop to discredit dunn while ignoring my case but I guess that yesterday too is gross.

And no, if people are being pushed for reasons

that

bad, it generally makes me think they're town.

[Staeg]

Mollie, yes or no: were the votes on dreal yesterday based on "playstyle issues"?

[Staeg]

@staeg I don't think you ever explained your scumread on me. Can you do so?

Your engagement with other people has been superficial - your questions, whether they are answered or not, do not seem to affect anything. You didn't seem bothered by me repeatedly ignoring your requests for reads, for example, while I am conveniently sitting in a "leaning scum but can't really tell" position since... the start of the game, from what I can tell.

Other than that, there's ancient history which you've allegedly caught too much flak for already (133); 932 was overexplained in a fairly paranoid way, your posts during the VC fiesta at the end of d1 rubbed me the wrong way and 1119 was seven kinds of evil - you start off d2 after a no lynch day 1 with no stances, no opinions, nothing you can be called out on - just a "hehe guys I am just as clueless as you are about the situation, this is unfortunate!" along with an esoteric "things will be looked into". What things did you look into? Why did you feel the need to even post that?

[Staeg]

But uh, was there a particular reason you ignored me or...?

Just that I didn't feel like answering would improve the day much.

[Staeg]

I don't see where you got that I had no stances at the start of d2. Just because I didn't post them again doesn't mean they disappeared...

And I'm not saying that you didn't have any. I'm saying that you didn't make any. The dude you voted for ended up not dying and the best you could muster is "why are you alive"?
Speaking of that - what do you make of Zito's driveby appearance in the thread?

[Staeg]

and I still don't think they'd save Zito for WIFOM.

I disagree with this part. If it's a day 1 only thing they would definitely use it and then not claim it to send day 2 down the drain as well.

Anyway, I disagree with some of your premises - for one, I believe it's very possible that some roles have trigger-on-X-event type abilities, such as "end the day when [pool of people] reach L-1" and Fate simply wasn't around in the 16 minutes before the next vote.

[Staeg]

Oh, the other disagreeable premise being that the flavor text indicates not-a-govern.

[Staeg]

Very fair. I myself would currently bet money on Zito coming in and claiming it's his doing despite dropping no hints of it in his only d2 post, but you never know.
A possibility I entertained at day-end yesterday was that Dunn caused this to happen with his hammer-vote, but that seems largely irrelevant today, given all the rails Dunn has gone off on the orb-path.

About the govern - I appear to have pulled a 2/3-retard. What you were referring to in the rest of your post was what I thought a governor was.

[Staeg]

I still need to read up but to answer the major question -

Uh

Did you stop the lynch? Y/N

Yes and no. I had in my possession a tradable item called the "Talisman of Protection". I thought it just protected against nightkills but apparently it protected against kills of any type.

When'd you get it?

[Staeg]

Zito town water wet

What?

Have you read Spyrex's previous posts on the Zito topic?

[Staeg]

Staeg, what is your read on me, mlem mlem? I don't believe that people getting pushed for bad reasons make them town and you're more than experienced enough to know that's not a real way to read someone, mlem mlem.

Leaning town. I've liked your stances for pretty much the entire game, although I do not follow your tune beat for beat. I do not find your early d1 nonpresence scummy, either.
In general, yes, bad points don't make the accused town, but in some exception cases - like this one, where Dunn's only previous mention of you was two votes in the past, and now, on day 2, he comes on hard with loads of words that do not represent one coherent bit of information - it signals that there is no better fuel to throw into the engine.

It makes me feel uncomfortable with Dunn to boot. I would want to give him points for coming out of the gate, guns blazing, with information about the orb mechanism, but it would probably have ended up in the open during the course of day 2 anyway.

Dunn: two questions for you. First, to what extent is your scumread on nacho based on your orb-hunting theory?
Second -

My theory is that scum started with at least 1 fragment so they'd know what's going on

When did you come up with this theory?

[Staeg]

Dunn, no. You said you had a theory. When did you come up with it? Did you have it in mind when doing the cheeki breeki dance with dreal on day1?

[Staeg]

With all the information you have now, do you think scum would need a fragment of the orb to know what's going on?

[Staeg]

it signals that there is no better fuel to throw into the engine.

You really think the best scum!dunn could come up with to justify a scumread on someone is

that

?

I feel like this argument is very rarely accurate.

The best? idk man. Why does it have to be the best?



Dunn - before it's been outed in thread, jesus christ. At the start of the game. You've repeatedly stated that scum would need a piece of the orb to know what's going on. Do you still, after everything that's been said today, think that scum must have had a piece at game-start to be informed of the mechanic? Do you not see how that could matter?

[Staeg]

Normally. I would say with some confidence that Dunn is not a ~normal player~ (whatever that is) and doesn't play by the book as either side. The point of a push as scum is not just to get the target lynched - it's to look town while doing it as well. If you fail to lynch a target but convince most everyone you're town, would you say using suboptimal arguments is a bad play?

[Staeg]

welp

[Staeg]

Normally. I would say with some confidence that Dunn is not a ~normal player~ (whatever that is) and doesn't play by the book as either side.

How would you know

Dunn - before it's been outed in thread, jesus christ. At the start of the game. You've repeatedly stated that scum would need a piece of the orb to know what's going on. Do you still, after everything that's been said today, think that scum must have had a piece at game-start to be informed of the mechanic? Do you not see how that could matter?

dee doo dee doo dee doo

[Staeg]

How realistic is a scenario where town start with all 4 orbs but scum are informed of the orb mechanism through their QT or one of their roles?

[Staeg]

What do people think about camn calling every one of my posts scum

meh.

elaborate as to why you think that is unlikely

Do you have anything else to add to the thread other than this?

Anyway, Dunn, that judgement is... wrong. I was hoping that it would boil down to something other than this--

[Staeg]

that judgement is... wrong.

So you were alerted that orbs exist in your pt? lol

No, it was actually nacho's role that interacts with orb fragments. Sadly, you caught onto our plot to gather the fragments all at once.

[Staeg]

I forgot the :^)

[Staeg]

Because I wouldn't design the game like that.

[Staeg]

the first part is a kiss ass post with wiggle room to disagree. I mean what stances do you agree with of nacho's? bullet point for me will ya?

so...I just wanna get this straight. you think...dreamz and dunn are scum together? that they somehow concocted this convoluted plan to both crumb early on d1, 1 being obvs and the other telling him to shut up...or...something?

and that both of them started off with an orb and dunn decided to give his away as some mastermind to confuse town only to snatch it back later and have more orbs which is why he hammered zito?

do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds? and you actually have the nerve to throw shade on dunn cos it WAS kind of strange that nacho zeroed in on the 2 orb holders but somehow missed that they announced that they had them with a big neon sign.

I mean...do you think that dunn and dreamz decided that this was the super duper plan that *wld decimate town* and win the game against this playerlist?

I have no words.

No, they're entirely separate from one another, and are quite unlikely to be scum together.
Why assume that everyone's gameplan has to be focused around the orbs? Whenever a gamewide mechanic with probable large benefits to whoever cashes it in such as this is present, you get two options as either side - ignore it and maybe possibly keep it in the corner of your mind for some lategame shenanigans, or go for it as subtly or bluntly as the game necessitates. I don't think giving away orbs is a major towntell - slight, sure, but the odds that town would be able to organise themselves into reassembling the orb are incredibly low, while keeping onto shards of the orb - especially if other people become aware that you have it - is a terrible idea.

As for the first one: the dunn/nahdia/dreal sentiment, the end-of-day zito-vote policy, the dreal push d2 and his general responses to people in thread, which is what the "liking most of your stances" is about - interaction with kagami and you, for example.
Good job on spotting the wiggle room, why do you think it's there?


Desp - ok. nice.

[Staeg]

you do all realize that I want to lynch nacho and infinity more than anyone, right?

What's infinity done to you, again?

Faaaate: if there were hypothetical item-objects that could be passed from player to player, what position would that action take in the resolution?

Also, 69 wasn't about orbs.

[Staeg]

Right sure, but a quick iso of yours shows one quoted post of infinity's and some vague scumpings. Also I'm voting him. But I also want to vote you.

Mollie don't pay attention to Fate's whimsies and whooshes.

Fate, answer me. Or don't. That's fine too I guess.

[Staeg]

Right sure, but a quick iso of yours shows one quoted post of infinity's and some vague scumpings. Also I'm voting him. But I also want to vote you.

Dreal this is 4 u.

[Staeg]

Dunn what's up with your vote?

[Staeg]

I'd appreciate it.

[Staeg]

Faaaate: if there were hypothetical item-objects that could be passed from player to player, what position would that action take in the resolution?

[Staeg]

Since most of d1

And what if scum!dreal doesn't have the orb but knows about it and is crumbing it to throw people off or to look town?

this feels like probably scum trying to plant ideas in ppls minds (a lot of infinity's posts strike me as that)

Is there any difference between his unsure theorycrafting and yours besides tone?

Dunn you're not cute

[Staeg]

Wait what do any of these SAD quotes have to do with anything?

[Staeg]

LOOK AT IT AND DO WHAT

[Staeg]

Since most of d1

And what if scum!dreal doesn't have the orb but knows about it and is crumbing it to throw people off or to look town?

this feels like probably scum trying to plant ideas in ppls minds (a lot of infinity's posts strike me as that)

Is there any difference between his unsure theorycrafting and yours besides tone?

Dunn you're not cute

Wait what do any of these SAD quotes have to do with anything?

LOOK AT IT AND DO WHAT

dreallll

[Staeg]

there at least 3 ways in which dunn cld have fucked town over and he didn't do any of them.

?

[Staeg]

quit fucking ignoring the BLATANT FACT that I told dunn MULTIPLE TIMES that I WASN'T FUCKING SOFTING

and yet he PERSISTS TO WRITE THE NARRATIVE THAT I AM AND WON'T CONSIDER OTHERWISE OR LET ANYONE ELSE CONSIDER OTHERWISE

noone thinks you were softing anymore dude

hot damn

[Staeg]

Have you read your own posts in light of the orb mechanism?

[Staeg]

I'm not one to usually soft

if anything I might crumb, but that is rare

my post was:

seek the scum

find the scum

question (analyze, continue to seek scum)

not that I'm declaring it

wasn't

a soft

that's the last I'll say of any of that - I HATE ROLE TALK, especially on D1, until we've got an L-1

What the fuck is this?

[Staeg]

Wait, dunn, am I poe scum or a prime lynch target?

[Staeg]

That said, what's the scum motivation for completely trying to throw away all the town credit that Dunn/Staeg was heaping onto him? Why blow up about it? Why not just play along?

Jabba-what? What type of towncred was I heaping onto dreal?

mollie, you said something about how Dunn could've screwed us over but didn't? What does this mean?

I third this question.

[Staeg]

[Staeg]

I still want to kill dreal :<

[Staeg]

fine
VOTE: RedCoyote

[Staeg]

Look at the flavor text

"A great stillness spreads throughout the room"

Also, we now have reason to believe it isn't multiball (the amount of kills per night would be pretty odd)

VOTE: Papa Zito

So, we should lynch Zito because Infinity's role name was "time manipulator" (we have no idea what that does) and because the flavor went "there was a stillness", mlem mlem?

Vote: RedCoyote

Your pr is the same as yesterday?

And no. The fact that there's no NK tonight is some extra evidence in favor of the d1 lynch being time manipulated, although not by much given Fate's reaction re: symmetry and all that.

[Staeg]

Right, that would be the implication. Unless~ :3

[Staeg]

Nah 1968 confirms that he misunderstood the way his role works; the person you roleblock can't pass it on

You also probably stopped him from shapeshifting which is what kept him from changing post restriction, so you calling him out on a "slip" back then was pretty bad.

Dreal blocked Nacho on N1 too, didn't he?

[Staeg]

Not re-placing my vote until RC comes back to the thread, but it might as well be there

[Staeg]

Did I imagine there being specific questions for you to answer or did you miss them?

[Staeg]

@ staeg - before you go nuts over dreamz blocking n1 but nacho had a different pr, consider that infinity was a re-director.

Huh. Right.

I also oppose giving Desp the orbs. Given Dunn's track record I would be super ok with him getting them.

[Staeg]

if you have a pt and are listening to what kagami is saying, post game will be sweet when I get to post all of the shade she has thrown at you and how 2 faced her play has been. unless she is just trolling in a mean spirited way. I just don't think that kagami is mean spirited which is why I am so confused about her.

To what extent has kagami lied/blatantly skewed your private conversation?

[Staeg]

I'm not sold on there being a doctor that can act tonight;
Even if there is one, I'm not sold on scum not having more hijinks to bypass town abilities;
Even if they have none, I'm not more than 90% sure you're town;
And the flavor tells me scum getting the full orb would be better for them than town getting the full orb, further tipping the scales, given that we are currently in a good position to win the game the normal way.

In short, I don't think assembling the orb is what we want to go for. It should be noted that perhaps assembling a full orb gives super-protection or other juicy NK-avoidance mechanisms, but I don't think that's more likely than town getting some X-shot ability that doesn't even do anything before the full orb is yoinked away with blood.

[Staeg]

I don't think everyone will be informed how the orb can be used (and blah blah obligatory RC could also not be scum, but I don't really believe that).

[Staeg]

VOTE: RedCoyote

[Staeg]

That's L-2 I suppose

[Staeg]

It sucks that this claim sounds good. I guess I'll roll with it being a fakeclaim that Fate gave the rabbits.

Were you running on an assumption that scum didn't have fakeclaims?

[Staeg]

As you well know, that's never a certainty.

You... have played in Fate games before. What?

[Staeg]

Fact is, we can wait for RC to show up and tell us whether or not he got two orb pieces from killing Nacho.

This was a question I think you missed. You can ignore my previous one because it's irrelevant.

[Staeg]

if you have a pt and are listening to what kagami is saying, post game will be sweet when I get to post all of the shade she has thrown at you and how 2 faced her play has been. unless she is just trolling in a mean spirited way. I just don't think that kagami is mean spirited which is why I am so confused about her.

To what extent has kagami lied/blatantly skewed your private conversation?

[Staeg]

Mollie pls

[Staeg]

Mollie pls.

[Staeg]

Dreal, PZ is correct here I think
And that's not antagonizing ;_;

[Staeg]

Mollie I apparently am not reading your posts because I can't find the answers to any of these.

Mollie, yes or no: were the votes on dreal yesterday based on "playstyle issues"?

there at least 3 ways in which dunn cld have fucked town over and he didn't do any of them.

?

if you have a pt and are listening to what kagami is saying, post game will be sweet when I get to post all of the shade she has thrown at you and how 2 faced her play has been. unless she is just trolling in a mean spirited way. I just don't think that kagami is mean spirited which is why I am so confused about her.

To what extent has kagami lied/blatantly skewed your private conversation?

Also Nacho's PR did not change n2

[Staeg]

Dreal how does blockind desp prevent accumulation of orbs?

[Staeg]

No, dreal, RC's daykill target, following reaction and presence in thread was not town.

And no, you didn't spell anything out.

if he's town I don't care what he wants because what I think is best is to keep the pieces separate until more scum are dead, it makes it too easy for them if they're gathered and while I know he could pass and spread them out as town, that is not what he was doing so, yep

He had orbs. He could send those orbs out. Your action blocks them being sent out. Not acquired. Desp could still get more orbs, as per yesterday's (still inane imo) plan. What am I missing?

[Staeg]

ok w/e

[Staeg]

can you explain to me what was so hard to get, staeg?

Mostly that Desp didn't need to make a kill to get the orb last night. That was what we were scheduled to do. The whole argument works in favor of blocking anyone BUT desp. This line of reasoning doesn't make you scum though ;_;

1. I said I thought that they were based on a different playstyle and said this, repeatedly. its what I thought at the time.
2. I already answered this. not in 1 post but I pointed out when they came up. its in my iso.
3. I already answered this in post 2059

this is what I mean about you not reading my posts.

now how does me pointing out that I answered these questions help with furthering your understanding of the gamestate rn?

1. ok fine.
2. Then I'm a retard and can't find them.
3. You outlined everything you find weird about Kagami mostly from happenings in your QT, but I wanted to know how you feel about kagami's representation of your private conversation

in-thread

. Or the fact that Kagami hasn't deigned to respond to any of your confusion.

Thanks for the answers but they don't
I can't make heads or tails of either you or Kagami because I only get your side of the tale, which paints Kagami in a really bad light, despite you not having Kagami as a real scumread.
I am still leaning town on dreal but damn every page that has one of his posts just saps away my willpower to keep reading.
I don't have the slightest clue about Nahdia's or cupcake's alignment - Nahdia would have been a good pick for scum before today, but apparently lolnope, while cupcake has become a universal townread... somehow.

I don't even know why nearly everyone was so ok with publicly assembling the orb in desp's hands.
So I guess I'm just not reading the thread.
I have my fakeclaim lubed up and ready to go whenever you folk feel like hearing it. It's not a spectacular one though
Now I'll make some more scumscuses to do something (like, idk, reading the entirety of a mollie-kagami double iso) tonight or tomorrow before I inevitably get lynched.

[Staeg]

1. i explained why I am treating her as town. I am afraid I am stuck in confbias.

Alright then. I don't think that's the conclusion I would draw but something something I haven't seen the actual qt.


I am a Light Warden, a Turtle Mystic.
I can listen to someone's Soul Frequency at the end of any day to learn about a Connection they have if they have ~enough votes~. I also apparently have the ability to sever their connection at night (if I could find one).

I can't target the lynchee and the only day I could get a result on was day 2. I'm not altogether convinced it should be revealed.

At the beginning of the game I assumed a few roles were going to have abilities based on numbers of votes on players at the end of the day, which was what I meant by "the thing you're not supposed to talk about". Or just abilites based on votes in general, which was reinforced by Nahdia's reaction. Based upon that I figured that announcing some nature of my ability would be counterproductive, since the ability doesn't seem that great without knowing what a Connection is and there were very likely to be scum roles with similar mechanics.

I now have some ideas about what a Connection is - definitely the quicktopics people have, but for my role to not be a complete dead weight, it would also need the ability to detect scumtopics. That, in turn, indicates a 2p scumteam or that scum didn't start the game with a quicktopic.
Or my role could just be mostly dead weight. That's more probable, I guess.


I am also experiencing doubts about Mollie's role being incongruous with a scum alignment.

[Staeg]

if they have ~enough votes~

This part sounds scummy

No number is mentioned. It does exactly what it says.

And it's not a night action. I have a target that I can change however many times and when the lynch occurs I get a result. The reason I didn't get a result on Zito is because I didn't target him. You know. The lynchee.

And sure. If you think flavor will in any way help you --

It's a cosplayer in some fancy goodie-two-shoes knight outfit. A female one. Which has no link to Turtle Mysticism or Light Wardens (besides the vague aesthetic link).

[Staeg]

I would probably self-hammer here if I was the orbstealer with the last fragment.

[Staeg]

the way Staeg harps on the term Connection makes me think it's a term with at least some consistency across this game's role logic. and anyone

making

Connections is probably inversely aligned to Staeg. unless there's multiple connectors or something.

that or the role is entirely shit.

Yes.

Pe: So that desp doesn't get a full orb when he arrives. Given that he's not my partner, you know.

[Staeg]

I assume it would go to the next person? That would be the non-retarded way to resolve it? I haven't asked, though. Because I don't have a fragment. And because Fate's not a clown.

[Staeg]

Pleased to see that's not a vote yet.

[Staeg]

No, I'm saying that I make neighborhoods by joining shadows, staeg apparently breaks hoods by bringing light. The role seems to exist only to interact negatively with mine, dunn's, mollies, and by whatever joined you and nacho, all of which seem to be town aligned.

And PoE leads me here anyway.

@staeg

Did I miss you refuting the zito-saved-by-time-zito-saved-by-time-manipulation theory? Because it sounds like you had mod confirmation that it's false.

What joined me and nacho? What?

What zito-saved-by-time-manipulation theory? Where mod confirmation?

[Staeg]

im still kind of hung up on the term Connections.

Okay minor detail - it's not actually uppercase. Simple "connections" are referenced throughout, but I figured this could become a point.

[Staeg]

He has role-based information about that?

[Staeg]

That seems like the obvious one

[Staeg]

I would prefer the massclaim and not lynch Staeg to the simply lynch Staeg plan, especially given how fucky and dubious Fate tends to make roles. And the lynching part.

[Staeg]

Right. Which is why I said the fakeclaim isn't good.

[Staeg]

@ mollie: Staeg's role allows him to target a scum who had votes but not enough to lynch and sever their scum QT

That sounds pretty town to me.

I don't yet know if I can even do that. I probably wouldn't even be told it's a scum QT, so I don't think I'd be severing it until I already knew they were scum, at which point lol.

[Staeg]

And Kagami's PT's aren't connections.

Wait, is this a fact?

[Staeg]

Right. But shadow portals connect things. It's what portals do.
Or something.
Fuck off, Fate.

Nahdia. please. I wasn't locked into a "bad claim" until I was basically about to claim.
The card-playing is a legitimate concern, though.

[Staeg]

And who's the second scum in that case

At this point I'm looking hard at Kagami.

Likewise.

[Staeg]

Have you tried asking Fate what "Connections" means, in your role? Because if it just means PTs, I don't see why Fate wouldn't just fucking say that.

Yes I have. Because he's
you know
Fate
the dude whose game you're in

[Staeg]

Kagami goes first if we're massclaiming. Or doing any non-lynch Staeg anyway plan.

[Staeg]

Nahdia you're being obtuse. Do both Dunn's and Desp's words mean nothing?

[Staeg]

ok

[Staeg]

Yeah I don't think there are too many doubts about who the protective role is and I'm pretty sure we can just get them to not claim role information at all if that's what you're asking?

[Staeg]

So am I a fragment stealer/redirector or am I my role?
If anyone proposes both I'll stab them through the web.

Because something happened to Kagami's fragment. Do you think scum have a redirector AND me left alive? Or did I just claim what I did for shits and giggles, despite not including any realistic night action?

[Staeg]

I have no idea what happened to the orb fragment and that's not my immediate concern right now. There's likely two more scum and you not stealing the fragment doesn't clear you.

So we have time manipulator+redirector+whatever the fuck my role is on the scumteam?

[Staeg]

It now occurs to me that in some 7th alternate dimension of this game Infinity could be responsible for kagami's action being redirected.
But. no.

Nahdia I'm getting at the fact that that's what you're saying. And how I don't think that's very reasonable.


Dunn, no, I get to sense connections and sever them. One is an end-of-day thing and the other one is an enabled night action.

[Staeg]

Every role I've seen has had 2 parts to it; does staeg only do 1, longly explained thing?

What was zito's second thing?

[Staeg]

We've seen a Redirector/Time Manipulator. How is that, your role, and somethign else that presumably did something to snatch away an orb fragment unreasonable?

What's unreasonable is that either you're saying that Infinity's action was "redirect Kagami on night 3 to [scumbuddy]" on the one night he was alive or that scum had two redirectors.

[Staeg]

Or an orb thief. Right. The orb thief. Oops

[Staeg]

Hi dreal. Thoughts?

[Staeg]

No, I'm cheering for a mass claim because it's what leads to me not being lynched. And desp's points. And the fact that dunn, who everyone trusts and has +1 voice on him, says it's fine.

[Staeg]

Well, hopefully leads to me not being lynched. Although now that I'm thinking it through I don't think y'all want me in endgame if you're not that sure about me being town, and today's as good a day as any to rope non-endgameables.

[Staeg]

WHY
THE FUCK
DID THAT HAPPEN

[Staeg]

Memes

[Staeg]

No, I'm cheering for a mass claim because it's what leads to me not being lynched. And desp's points. And the fact that dunn, who everyone trusts and has +1 voice on him, says it's fine.

lets talk about how you think my role is scum in any way shape or form. go ahead.

???

[Staeg]

Dreal she's moreso talking about how you're being extremely offensive with no need to be such.

Dunn I don't think that was aimed at you

[Staeg]

Wait, what? Isn't cupcake saying that they have information which will make a massclaim unnecessary?

In which case we should wait for what they have to say?

[Staeg]

I don't think I did that T_T

[Staeg]

and, in the bigger picture, massclaims don't work unless everyone agrees. forcing Nahdia to claim was anti-town.

NOONE WAS DOING THAT
HOW IS EVERYONE PRETENDING THIS IS WHAT ANYONE WANTED

[Staeg]

why would I be motivated to say a single fucking thing to any of you?

again

every time

shit on

Dude. You came into the thread and called everyone who wanted to massclaim morons.

[Staeg]

Scum haven't passed an orb, desp

[Staeg]

So did scum-desp stop my lynch to get a massclaim so he can do whatever he can do with the orb better? And that there's no in-game event for the orb being assembled?

Yes, desp, but the argument is that scum wouldn't start with two fragments.

[Staeg]

Stalled, not stopped, I suppose.

[Staeg]

That makes very little sense from a thematic and design point of view - that way scum would only need two extra orbs and there do not appear to be any disadvantages to holding onto them if you just keep it on the dl from the very beginning.

If the fragment locations were randomized, though...

[Staeg]

I'm not going to be doing any cutting, mollie. Do you or do you not believe that my ability has the stated limitation?

Desp, but they wouldn't be conftowned, since if we are in that reality, we're still having this discussion.

[Staeg]

I'm currently leaning more in the direction of randomized fragments, but I don't think that's the common opinion around these parts

[Staeg]

But that's not even the point
This discussion is happening
That means that the other three people aren't confirmed town regardless of whether the setup actually included a hard-coded "3 town fragments 1 scum fragment" because noone would be told that

[Staeg]

if you are so desperate to save your skin at the expense of any1 else then why don't you start looking at zito

I'm not tho. I'm currently waiting for kagami to come back to answer the incredible confusion I had with her last post and/or for some 3 hours to pass so I can get to the stable computer access to do the promised thingdoing. After that I'm pretty sure we can lynch me if you're still up for it.

There's allegedly really compelling reasons why kagami isn't scum tho. And everyone else except for me, zito and dreal. Of those two, sure, I'd vote zito.

[Staeg]

@ then what else will you be doing with your awsum chord cutting power

nothing. I don't intend to use that part. Like, you know, I haven't used it all game. Not that I had many opportunities to do it, but I sure as hell wouldn't be cutting up any quicktopics that were already announced in-thread.

[Staeg]

There isn't in this case?
Why in God's name would I use it now that I've said that I have the ability? I would get noosed immediately.

[Staeg]

There has to be some reason for me to have this ability, though
One of the QT-makers has to be scum

[Staeg]

Oh. Um. Mollie, that was meant to reference the other QT-maker, Dunn. That's not the correct name there. Oops.
I don't actually have any idea what your role is besides having some positive interactions with QTs.
Also, is there some reason we're assuming that the hypothetical orb stealer's action resolves after orbs are sent out?

I am also not sure why desp requested not-him to hammer, but I assumed there was some reason for it.

Rereading mollie and kagami's exchange didn't actually clear up much. Kagami has responded to even less of what Mollie brought up than I thought, only choosing some very specific details to jump on.
One detail of note is that Kagami was told there would be protection on desp. Which, if true, greatly decreases the chances of kagami-scum.

No, I'm saying that I make neighborhoods by joining shadows, staeg apparently breaks hoods by bringing light. The role seems to exist only to interact negatively with mine, dunn's, mollies, and by whatever joined you and nacho, all of which seem to be town aligned.

And PoE leads me here anyway.

@staeg

Did I miss you refuting the zito-saved-by-time-zito-saved-by-time-manipulation theory? Because it sounds like you had mod confirmation that it's false.

What joined me and nacho? What?

I now realize that the nacho-joining wasn't related to me at all. Still curious about the mod confirmation thing.

Kagami, how did your read on mollie progress this game?


...did I miss mollie and desp getting into a pt? ((...not sure how to ask this in a non-stupid way, but what exactly is a pt? a qt with a different orientation?))

[Staeg]

Staeg is almost certainly scum. I don't understand why you think he wouldn't claim something close to his real role. Shaman mafia did not have "real" fake claims, just a list of unused flavors and a town tracker template. I think even the scum's actual flavor was safe enough, as it looks like it might be here. I'm not sure there's anything clearly unsafe about "Chaos Mage" and if there is, then that makes staeg's claim all the worse. He probably doesn't realize it, but I'm pretty sure Fate isn't referring to a hearthstone card with "lightbringer;" Staeg has claimed Lucifer.

Warden. Not bringer. But sure, ok.

I don't remember the thought being continued, but it's pretty relevant that apparently staeg tried to target Zito and Fate said "No, you can't, he's the lynchee," because that's not what the final VC of Day 1 says. It says the day ended and no one was lynched. When Zito showed up and said "I was actually lynched and was protected from it and for some reason fate indicated this by leaving the VC at L-1," Staeg knew he was telling the truth and said nothing. The next day when Dunn said "hey guys, maybe there was time manipulation and the day ended earlier, crickets once again. (iirc)

No, that's not how it works. I know that I get no results from dead people, and I have to target someone

before

the lynch. I wouldn't be targetting zito because ~hE wOuLd Be DeAd~.

I already told you why I didn't ask for people to coordinate votes to enable my ability in my claim post - I was fairly convinced scum have some equivalently-conditioned ability which would in all likelihood be more useful than mine.

Kagami, are you reading my posts?

[Staeg]

Nope it's actually Light Warrior lmao

[Staeg]

Oh. Um. Mollie, that was meant to reference the other QT-maker, Dunn. That's not the correct name there. Oops.
I don't actually have any idea what your role is besides having some positive interactions with QTs.
Also, is there some reason we're assuming that the hypothetical orb stealer's action resolves after orbs are sent out?

This one?

[Staeg]

Pretty strong scum. The "I was told there'd be protection" thing, if correct, would bring her to a way weaker scumread, but Nahdia's last post makes me

[Staeg]

Kagami, are you reading my posts?

I admit to skimming substantially, especially this last weekend.

Let's go over how your ability works again.

Is it a day action, or a twilight action? Did you attempt to target zito, or just assume that he was lynched and thus untargetable? Why is your N2 result on presumably Drealz not valuable to share?

A retargetable day action that resolves at day-end, so it could be called twilight (but it's still weird). I did not attempt to target zito at any point. The result isn't valuable because it doesn't provide any deep insight into Drealz's alignment.
My questions to you are:
How has your read on mollie progressed and, more specifically, when did she flip to a scumread?
Are you in the least interested in reading her posts about the private communication between you two and and addressing the worrying number of question marks that have spawned?


:mild concern at Zito's extended not-really-doing-anything even more actively than me:

[Staeg]

I don't think there is a scum PT.

[Staeg]

does staeg know when he breaks a connection? He doesn't right?

If not, I don't see how his ability is very useful

I do. Once I've found one I can choose to break it at night.

[Staeg]

[Staeg]

I have asked for a readslist from staeg and haven't got 1.

Ah. Well. That's mostly because you'd get a bunch of "kiss ass post with wiggle room to disagree". Which one of my exquisite fences for sitting would you like to look at? Just the usual "all players alive with a big T or S slapped next to their name along with a sentence or two"?

[Staeg]

VOTE: Kagami

[Staeg]

VOTE: Kagami

so I take it zito is your teammate?



does anybody have a vc count?

Sure. I'd bus him in a pinch, though.

If you count end-of-day and start-of-day VCs, I think there have been 22 so far.

[Staeg]

Since this day is going absolutely nowhere.

WE HAVE ROLE RELATED REASONS FOR BELIEVING THAT STAEG IS SCUM WE'LL CLAIM AT A LATER JUNCTURE BUT NOT TODAY SINCE YOU GUYS ALREADY LOLOUTTED NAHDIA

Is this the type of information that you believe you can break the game wide open with?
Because I'm not thrilled.

has any1 noticed that the 2 players who are in no way giving reads are staeg and dreamz?

ok

So, since I'm definitely dying today - dreal did not have connections when infinity is lynched. This decreases the likelihood of him being scum but I still think it's more likely than not that scum don't have a qt. That would also explain, for example, why infinity's orbplay was so different from Kagami's in the narrative where kagami is scum.

And that's very likely, I think. Kagami's play has been incredibly shady today. Not to ruin mollie's story where she and desp are the only people who even care about :holding kagami accountable: while I'm just scumpiling onto their pressure, but Kagami is not very likely to be town.

After that I'd suggest cupcake and zito, but that doesn't really matter, since I neither have much conviction on one or the other nor will my suggestions actually change anything in the long run.

[Staeg]

~still not selfhammering~

[Staeg]

What do you think Mollie is asking, zito?

[Staeg]

Okay so my severing ability also ~grants liberation~ which, obviously, I don't know more about
I didn't mention this 1 beforehand so that people wouldn't go "oh look now he's just trying to come up with reasons why we shouldn't lynch him" since I highly doubt that anyone knows what liberation is

[Staeg]

MM here let's try
Desp is town because, Nahdia's town for the claim and perfectly matching play, the rest of them are outlined in my last post?


Mollie pls I'm dead, how do I even respond to all of these "god fuk ur scummy give reads"

[Staeg]

Associatives with infinity are that I'm obviously town from my interactions with him but hey


What questions?

[Staeg]

I'd say I'mas dead as a crocodile in space, but idk maybe I can't count

[Staeg]

I believe you, staeg

anyways ty buddy try to not go insane on the following days, I think you're capable of massively contributing to the game, just do not get baited by anyone into ragey shitfests and keep your cool while providing actual thoughts

that probably doesn't help at all, does it

[Staeg]

If I had to make a wild guess about who's scum based only on infinity's ISO I'd say cupcake I suppose

[Staeg]

Camntsuki, kagami, zito, nahdia, desp.
And you.
Could you at least tell me which questions I didn't answer?

[Staeg]

Oh, your questions weren't addressed at me. Welp.

[Staeg]

Mollie, the last page is filled with my last words. I'm not sure why you remain convinced that I wasn't lynched yet.

[Staeg]

Kats, imagine I've flipped town. I have given y'all exactly one result. On dreal. Does that not affect anything?

[Staeg]

Because apparently my idea that scum don't have a standard QT is not even worthy of being acknowledged.

[Staeg]

See the problem is that I'm not scum and I don't particularly want any of you to suck a dick. Maybe Kagami, but she's probably just playing to win.

[Staeg]

Dreal suck a dick
Cupcake choke on a dick
Great game folks, I did actually enjoy it for the most part >_>b

[Staeg]

In particular I enjoyed Nahdia's play;
I'm sure some interesting stuff happened in some qts but it doesn't really seem relevant

Mollie, in particular, deserves an apology from me - I legitimately was not able to find the info I was looking for in your posts, and if any of my remarks seemed offensive, it was purely coincidental (wtf it's impossible to tell you're dyslexic)

[Staeg]

Oh yeah gobble a dick RC

[Staeg]

Ye I know that. The dayplay was wha I meant.

[Staeg]

:waits for cupcake:

[Staeg]

You didn't do anything to me dreal, you just repeatedly kept spiraling into lunacy whenever someone was the least bit antagonistic towards you. You stopped being in the game by d3.

[Staeg]

what the hell happened

m e m e s

[Staeg]

In other news I have no idea how to look town as either faction hah
I tried playing differently than I usually do - using full sentences, uppercase letters, being less dismissive about other people, but that just lead to cupcake decising that I'm worthy of having a sorta-guilty lobbed on me


Dreal no. You are the offender.

[Staeg]

D1 - I am not softing

no one fucking listened

You. are delusional. Literally noone except dunn cared about the softclaiming shit after the earlier parts of d2.

And I don't think desp called you dumb in your very first interaction. Afterwards it was kinda merited.


Wait, Nacho, you understand RC shooting you out of the blue? Erm. What would have been wrong with telling everyone "hello folks I have a daykill how would this be used for the betterment of the town hello?"?

[Staeg]

you really need to try and see it from my perspective

I did. I tried to tell you, repeatedly, to interact with the parts of the game that hadn't yet written you off as a lobotomized monkey. Instead you continued whining about how everyone's being mean and not seeing it from your perspective.

Props on having me and RC down as town, tho. No clue how you pulled those off.


Nacho, I suppose it does. Hm. I just greatly disapprove of the move in general, I guess.

[Staeg]

Wait did Fate already tell us what happens for both factions if they assemble the orb?

[Staeg]

desp, thanks for believing me when no1 else wld. you had it pegged with your kagami and zito reads.

do I like not exist
or was I too scummy to even communicate with

[Staeg]

Oh, yeah. Your roleplay was also on point.

[Staeg]

Also @staeg the completed orb would've done nothing for town, the master would've appeared like in the final scene and disappeared with it

Did it do anything for scum?


Because this sounds really troll

You missed the point

[Staeg]

yeah Yamabushi's are aall about purification so if you came into contact with a scumfuck you had to go Ascetic again

it was a balancing part of your role that I should've maybe put in the role PM <_<

best

[Staeg]

MYSTICAL ORBS DO NOT GET INSTRUCTION MANUALS WTF

best

[Staeg]

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