Large Normal 200 - Big Round Numbers - Game Over

[Titus]

Skimmed the last two pages.

Will hammer Alisae or Drealmerz to avoid mote


Dude do you even lift talk.

[Titus]

Creature, there are too many posts. Who are you voting? Baah.

I don't want to reward the hyper posters.

[Titus]

Creature, there are too many posts. Who are you voting? Baah.

I don't want to reward the hyper posters.

[Titus]

Just pick a name (other than me) and you have my vote.

[Titus]

@dreamer
thanks for intercepting my question directed at somebody else with a snide implication that i don't know how to play mafia, and thanks for discrediting my perspective. <3

i'm hard scumreading dreamer and have no idea how other, competent players aren't. i've asked for a description or elaboration on that from a few players I think (i know zach at least) and all i've gotten was 'well he's really towny, just read his posts!'

Town if Drealmerz scum
If Drealmerz town, likely scum with a fellow wagoned player

[Titus]

creature: "well we're closing in on 100 pages but, I really don't see anything scummy in any of it soooo, let's just lynch someone for kicks"

Another misrep like that, I will vote you.

[Titus]

No

[Titus]

I'll probably die N1 anyway.

Not if I have anything to say about it.

[Titus]

Ok, vote count skim time.

[Titus]

VOTE: Alisae

I could also do all alone.

[Titus]

I will explain more clearly tomorrow or the day after rl is beating me.

[Titus]

I see a future VCA hunter in you, however VCA isn't useful until there have been a lot of flips and you can start to color code them to find patterns.

You should meet JaeReed.
Last time I checked his VCA's were pretty on point.

I have been doing VCA for years. With the right flips, you can make conclusions.

I will catch up Monday.

[Titus]

ssbm_Kyouko posts little as scum, but posts a bit more as town.

Titus posts a lot lot more as town.

Just saw this and ewww.

My posting depends on IRL and strength of read depends on evidence.

[Titus]

I'll explain my reads later tonight when home.

[Titus]

ssbm_Kyouko posts little as scum, but posts a bit more as town.

Titus posts a lot lot more as town.

STOP with these generalizations

everyone else, STOP LISTENING to these generalizations

they arent generalization when:

1) They are very specific yet broad enough to not be too specific
2) They are backable by facts
3) They concern specific players

WRONG

Great, who cares about the fucking label? I care more that we have 2400 fucking posts and cannot agree on a fucking lynch wagon.

[Titus]

Titus still want explanations on why me or AA are scum and your reads in general.

I am getting to it, but just catching up first. Please slow down your rate of posting.

[Titus]

Spoiler: VoteCounts

Votecount 1.04

rb (3)

TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Zachstralkita , Ircher ,

Alisae (5)

Debi , Pine , Lil Uzi Vert , ssbm_Kyouko , Human Sequencer ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (2)

All Alone , rb ,

Pine (2)

Alisae , Creature ,

Wraith (2)

EchoVision , -Grey- ,

Not Voting (5)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 , SlickDilinger , Dunnstral , Wraith ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.05

rb (5)

Zachstralkita , Ircher , EchoVision , -Grey- , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

Alisae (6)

Debi , Pine , Lil Uzi Vert , ssbm_Kyouko , Human Sequencer , Wraith ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (1)

All Alone ,

drealmerz7 (1)

rb ,

Pine (2)

Alisae , Creature ,

Not Voting (4)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 , SlickDilinger ,

rb (5)

Zachstralkita , Ircher , EchoVision , -Grey- , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

Alisae (6)

Debi , Pine , Lil Uzi Vert , ssbm_Kyouko , Human Sequencer , Wraith ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (1)

All Alone ,

drealmerz7 (1)

rb ,

Pine (2)

Alisae , Creature ,

Human Sequencer (1)

Dunnstral ,

Not Voting (3)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 , SlickDilinger ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

mod note: I will be unavailable most of tomorrow, so don't expect another VC until tomorrow late afternoon or evening

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.06

rb (1)

-Grey- ,

Alisae (4)

Debi , Pine , Human Sequencer , Wraith ,

drealmerz7 (1)

SlickDilinger ,

Ircher (1)

All Alone ,

Pine (2)

Zachstralkita , ssbm_Kyouko ,

All Alone (6)

Dunnstral , EchoVision , Lil Uzi Vert , rb , Creature , Alisae ,

Not Voting (4)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Ircher ,

Gamma Emerald has been prodded

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.08

Alisae (3)

Debi , Pine , Wraith ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (3)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , Dunnstral ,

drealmerz7 (2)

SlickDilinger , Human Sequencer ,

Pine (1)

ssbm_Kyouko ,

SlickDilinger (6)

Alisae , Lil Uzi Vert , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Ircher , Creature , -Grey- ,

All Alone (2)

EchoVision , rb ,

Not Voting (2)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.09

Alisae (2)

Pine , Wraith ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , Dunnstral , Alisae , SlickDilinger , Debi ,

drealmerz7 (3)

rb , Creature , Human Sequencer ,

Pine (1)

ssbm_Kyouko ,

SlickDilinger (4)

Lil Uzi Vert , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Ircher , -Grey- ,

All Alone (1)

EchoVision ,

Not Voting (2)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

rb was wagoned to where he was revealed.
Alisae was the counter, which innately makes me curious at this point of the game.
All Alone springs up as a counter to Alisae, the same way rb did. If All Alone is town, I would be on EV. Alisae v All Alone isn't scum scum

SlickDilliger gets a fast wagon, and a fast counter with Drealmerz.

These bounce back and forth will tell a story of the game right now.

I want these flips to tell me why people are doing what they are doing.

[Titus]

Titus you're analysis is cool an all, but there's one problem.

My wagon happened before rb's wagon and I even reached L-1.

And why do you think that is a problem?

P-edit: Drealmerz, telling me my methods are a "waste of time" won't get me to act more like you. Why do you think town are voting you? (I doubt the whole scumteam is sitting on your wagon).

[Titus]

Titus you're analysis is cool an all, but there's one problem.

My wagon happened before rb's wagon and I even reached L-1.

And why do you think that is a problem?

P-edit: Drealmerz, telling me my methods are a "waste of time" won't get me to act more like you. Why do you think town are voting you? (I doubt the whole scumteam is sitting on your wagon).

Because you're saying I am the counterwagon to rb when it's the other way around. Meaning you're misrepresenting events.

No. I use counterwagon not as a chronology but as an option. Town could vote either you or rb.

Now, who all was voting you when you hit L minus 1.

[Titus]

Titus you're analysis is cool an all, but there's one problem.

My wagon happened before rb's wagon and I even reached L-1.

And why do you think that is a problem?

P-edit: Drealmerz, telling me my methods are a "waste of time" won't get me to act more like you. Why do you think town are voting you? (I doubt the whole scumteam is sitting on your wagon).

who said anything about acting like me?

I'm talking about playing the game

you're playing some other game that you like because you like numbers and patterns or something

that's not scumhunting

I'm a social psychologist and lawyer. I'm all about finding out about people by what they value. That's really all scumhunting is. Who values whom and why. Whether it's empirical data or reactions or something else, it all is valid. There is no one true scumhunting.

[Titus]

it's better to look at how it dissolved and where the focus went, imo

That's exactly what my VCA is doing, Mr. VCA sucks.

The odds of all the major wagons being town is abysmal. Yet, we have so much diversion because people aren't talking to each other but AT each other.

[Titus]

it's better to look at how it dissolved and where the focus went, imo

That's exactly what my VCA is doing, Mr. VCA sucks.

The odds of all the major wagons being town is abysmal. Yet, we have so much diversion because people aren't talking to each other but AT each other.

but if you haven't read the details about where it came from or where it went, in context, to actually develop reads on the slots themselves, the VCA is meaningless, or, rather, the meaning derived is fragmented and therefore ineffective and wholly misleading

You're absolutely wrong. The words are charisma. Barring cop clears/results, the root is who values whom and why. Town functions when we get the best out everyone. The votes serve as a gun to the head, who values whom more and why.

[Titus]

Echo, I would like your reads.

[Titus]

Titus you saw my question thingy?

You're absolutely wrong. The words are charisma. Barring cop clears/results, the root is who values whom and why. Town functions when we get the best out everyone. The votes serve as a gun to the head, who values whom more and why.

well I think you're wrong - words aren't just charisma, holyfuck - that is you taking ALL WORDS and labeling them as 1 word that you don't value so that you can throw it all away - what the fuck?!

so what does alisae's vote pattern tell you?

If you think I am discarding everything, you are wrong. Who should be a leader? Who should be followed? Who was followed? What lynch occurred? These are all ascertainable by the votes themselves. That's how to analyze charisma.

I don't pick one player to focus on right away. Alisae is a decent flip target in an overly flooded game because she tells a lot about the gamestate depending on her flip.

It's near impossible to determine who is scum by a VCA alone for certainty. But in a gamestate fraught by uncertainty, flipping a contested slot can help.

[Titus]

Dunn, all alone

Your thoughts on Alise and Echo.

The thought of flipping Gin has appealed to me but his wagon ismade up of most every major wagon target in the game, I am like meh.

[Titus]

I think it will become rather apparent whether his claim is true or not over the night.

This is wrong on so many levels.
1. Vig can chose not to shoot.
2. No kill gambit.
3. Someone prevents a kill from happening either by doc or rb

True but even that is information. What's important is that Gin tries to shoot.

[Titus]

Why SD?

[Titus]

Alright then, I forgot my vote was on Gin so I'll gladly swap off now.
VOTE: Texcat
I want to lynch this unless Gin plans on shooting this.

Also we leashing Gin or naaah.

Not a fan of starting a new wagon today.

Gin should shoot among the failed 4+ wagons, minus rb.

[Titus]

Ok.

SD wagon works. Not liking the motion away from him in 1.08 to 1.09

VOTE: SD

[Titus]

Titus which lynch would give you the most information?
If mine vote me, I like getting lynched if it gives a ton of information and as long as Texcat dies over night.

I don't lynch for information.

I use information as a starting point. SD also provides lots of info by flipping him.

Texcat gives me next to no info.

[Titus]

So, out of All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi or Texcat please tell me who'd you like me to shoot and who you think the shot would be most wasted on.

I'll take the best case I find and we'll work from there day 2 given the flips we get.

P.S. You won't convince me to shoot outside this pool of players.

If SD lynched, Echo just cause wagon sheepage.
If SD lives, SD. Take out wagoned lurker.

[Titus]

Okay got it, now for those people I listed, who you want alive the most? I ask because even if you want Texcat dead; I could find a heap of compelling evidence for say Debi and you wanted her alive, but never stated why.

Zach and All Alone should live, because I TR them the most and they would provide the most utility.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I have no idea what we're doing right now. It doesn't seem like anyone is interested in starting a new wagon and people are telling Gin who to shoot when he isn't confirmed.

He should take suggestikns, confirmed or otherwise...

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I have no idea what we're doing right now. It doesn't seem like anyone is interested in starting a new wagon and people are telling Gin who to shoot when he isn't confirmed.

He should take suggestikns, confirmed or otherwise...

I'm not a fan of directing a vigilante's shots, especially in a game this size. If Gin is real, he should shoot whoever he feels like without influence from others.

He has a pool he picked, he will pick. Optimal vig shots leave town in a good position.

[Titus]

If Gin is real, he should shoot whoever he feels like without influence from others.

Scumclaim?

No.

[Titus]

Pine, why not help with an SD wagon? Sensible policy lynch that tells us about the gamestate midday.

[Titus]

Titus, are we friends here?

I hope so. I like you so far.

[Titus]

Pine, I get the vote. But why not SD?

I kinda get townfeels from Alisae's recent posting.

[Titus]

My case is SD is a heavy lurker wagon that tells us a shit ton without endlessly repeating D1. Sure if Alisae doesn't cut down on the rate if posting, ahe'd have to die to let others scumhunt, but I am not inclined to do that today. There's nothing really townie in SD's tiny ISO and claiming he lurked away his pressure after jumping on an available counterwagon is fair.

[Titus]

We're at 100 pages. Vote SD or explain why he's town. Enough petty vendetta posting.

[Titus]

We're at 100 pages. Vote SD or explain why he's town. Enough petty vendetta posting.

I'm not vendetta voting. I genuinely SR Alisae, and have since the early part of the game. Do you TR her?

Feels like it.

I really do not like Drealmerz defense of SD either.

This is not a coutroom. If it was, the mod could purge all posts that did not comply with the rules of evidence.

[Titus]

Kyouko congrats! You got one free scumread from me!

I agree. SSM is scummy.

[Titus]

Then why is SSM voting for a role that can prove itself and ignoring SD?

[Titus]

Enough Ponies.

Alisae, no new wagons. SD or bust.

[Titus]

Only if 'bust' is code for 'Alisae'.

No.

You want the day to end, vote the larger wagon or defend it.

[Titus]

VOTE: GinboSonic

Stop derping.

There's practucally no way Gin is scum and they are running scared.

The best defense of SD is that he promised content tomorrow...that means after his buddies coach him.

[Titus]

Slick is an existing candidate.

The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.

[Titus]

Slick is an existing candidate.

The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.

I mean if most of the players agree this is the path we want to take then I'm fine lynching someone else today (I

wonder who

?). Thing this fakeclaim by Gin seems incredibly obvious to me and I don't want to let it slide based on just a couple of people who buy into it.

Then the evidence will fail to come in day 2. If there's no additional corpse, we get information about the roles scum have. Plus, we force scum to block the vig.

If Gin is scum, then, we still have the data from the push and no extra kill will appear since scum vigs are blacklisted in normals.

[Titus]

Slick is an existing candidate.

The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.

I mean if most of the players agree this is the path we want to take then I'm fine lynching someone else today (I

wonder who

?). Thing this fakeclaim by Gin seems incredibly obvious to me and I don't want to let it slide based on just a couple of people who buy into it.

Then the evidence will fail to come in day 2. If there's no additional corpse, we get information about the roles scum have. Plus, we force scum to block the vig.

If Gin is scum, then, we still have the data from the push and no extra kill will appear since scum vigs are blacklisted in normals.

Gin's role is not provable. You have to assume that this is single-ball, that there is no SK, that there isn't a vig that isn't counter-claiming, that there isn't a vig that isn't a x-shot. No matter how many kills there are overnight, it won't prove Gin's role.

No vig counterclaims. They shoot Gin.
Correct on assuming no multiball but not really. His claim gets thrown right back into suspect status if the mod flips a mafia and there are not 3 bodies (as factions must be distinguished). So assuming decent modding, Gin cannot hide there either.

[Titus]

But at the same time it would be easy for Gin to claim "Roleblocked!" when his kill inevitably fails to go through.

With that in mind I think we lynch scum here and now. Letting him live another day just gives him a free pass for a claim that will never be definitively settled.

Then we lynch him day 2, after he claims who he tried to shoot. We'll have his green flip with information about scum.

Of course, Gin is onviously town so...

Why won't you lynch SD?

[Titus]

But at the same time it would be easy for Gin to claim "Roleblocked!" when his kill inevitably fails to go through.

With that in mind I think we lynch scum here and now. Letting him live another day just gives him a free pass for a claim that will never be definitively settled.

Then we lynch him day 2, after he claims who he tried to shoot. We'll have his green flip with information about scum.

Of course, Gin is onviously town so...

Why won't you lynch SD?

Gin is obviously town to you. Gin is obviously scum to me.

And I've already expressed a ready willingness to lynch SD today, in case you missed it. I just prioritize Gin and Alisae more highly at the moment.

And you prioritize denying town information due to faulty setup spec, and apparently prioritize pissing me off.

[Titus]

Dude, you people are being so dumb that the only slots you'll agree to lynch are obvious town. This is the largest d1 on record.

Vote SD or state why he is town.

[Titus]

SD Echo and Ircher all likely scum.

[Titus]

Agreed on ircher but it's just a hunch

With the rate of this thread and town "leaders" insisting on derping, no way to scumhunt it though.

[Titus]

Debi plz.
rb is confirmed town and Gin claimed vig.
and Grey got replaced.
Just re-read the game when you get a chance.

And I'm not trying to start a slick wagon anymore, Titus is -_-

Titus was joking, from my point of view anyway.
Also my bad, I didn't see that Grey got replaced. Also I don't know how rb got confirmed town.

Not joking.

Vote SD or explain why he's town.

[Titus]

Titus, why are you so dead-set about Slick? I don't see a case, other than a lurker case.

The vote history. I want a wagon that a)tells me about active players b)takes out useless slots c) has done nothing productive yet gets countered by obvtown.

[Titus]

I am going afk from this thread and I am pissed off about how SD derailed and gets away with lurking.

I would rather no lynch than vote Gin. Fight me.

[Titus]

Hopefully we can get alisae to over 2000 posts before the end of this

game

day

Fify.

If y'all are that tired. Pile on my back. I shall plow through the shit.

[Titus]

Votecount 1.13

Alisae (4)

Wraith , drealmerz7 , texcat , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Debi , EchoVision , Lil Uzi Vert ,

drealmerz7 (6)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Creature , Ircher , Alisae ,

Not Voting (3)

Titus , Dunnstral , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.14

Alisae (2)

Wraith , texcat ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Lil Uzi Vert , drealmerz7 , EchoVision ,

drealmerz7 (7)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Ircher , Creature , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Debi ,

texcat (2)

Alisae , Dunnstral ,

Not Voting (2)

Titus , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

VOTE: Drealmerz

We know Gin and Tonic was town, so why would scum push a Drealmerz wagon? Unlikely.

[Titus]

Votecount 1.13

Alisae (4)

Wraith , drealmerz7 , texcat , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Debi , EchoVision , Lil Uzi Vert ,

drealmerz7 (6)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Creature , Ircher , Alisae ,

Not Voting (3)

Titus , Dunnstral , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.14

Alisae (2)

Wraith , texcat ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Lil Uzi Vert , drealmerz7 , EchoVision ,

drealmerz7 (7)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Ircher , Creature , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Debi ,

texcat (2)

Alisae , Dunnstral ,

Not Voting (2)

Titus , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

VOTE: Drealmerz

We know Gin and Tonic was town, so why would scum push a Drealmerz wagon? Unlikely.

Under that assumption, since Debi moved from Gin to d7 that would make her town, so who are the scum on Gin's wagon in 1.13?

I am actually thinking Sick Ircher Debi plus Drealmerz.

[Titus]

Oh and Echo.

[Titus]

We already know that debi is town

Umm what?

[Titus]

What if he was a vig? What do you think happens at night? I don't see how your gin read is so important that you can't vote elsewhere

Why are you voting eugene?

What if he hadn't made such a obvious fakeclaim? LMAO

I'm just sticking my vote here cause I'm not satisfied with anyone's Pines reads and I haven't went through Wraith's slot, and no one's told me why Wraith is scum.

That's the thing - it wasn't obvious and he was towny

Why won't you vote slick?

Wher R u? a lot of other people thought he was fakeclaiming. Even your boy BDSM tokyo. rb was not at all fazed by the claim either.

And I'm not going to comment on SlickDilinger at this moment

I will be waiting on your SD comments.

[Titus]

Ok, Alisae, I am TRing you. I am twenty pages behind I think.

Was there a guilty?

[Titus]

Really? After what happened after the last few pages? Are you sure?
And I think Dunn had a guilty on Echo.

I dunno what happened. My pc died.

[Titus]

Also Titus, why?

Feels right.

[Titus]

Because Guilty on Echo?

Who did you fake the Desperado on?

[Titus]

Ok Echo today, SD tomorrow...I like this.

[Titus]

VOTE: Echo

[Titus]

This is multiball so if Echo flips SKUM we still lynch DunnstraLLlLLL

Thx

Foundation?

[Titus]

I agree with all of Dunn's reads, yet he skeevs me out.

[Titus]

VOTE: Slick

[Titus]

Hi Severa, reads?

Unvote town and we can talk!

Talk or I will use my secret lol hammer.

[Titus]

Creature is scum. He unvotes the moment I mention a dual hammer. His reads list looks like a hodge podge of crap.

Severa, both Slick and Echo are scum. Why abandon one to lynch another?

[Titus]

This game became so lethargic I'm starting to forget some of my reads. Probably should have posted this earlier.

I think Echo is town for the following posts:

Spoiler: Echo Townread

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo

why are you so worried on killing blue, why don't we just

kill fucking mafia

Also nice OMGUS

Yeah. Echo is a lynch that needs to happen.
VOTE: EchoVision
Their vote on Gin was scummy as fuck.

There were 9 other people on the gin wagon with me, why are you saying that my vote in particular was scummy?

Yours and Texcat's votes were scummy off the top of my head. Texcat legit hammered the fakeclaim vig and you hopped onto the fakeclaim vig and didn't even consider his claim.

that's cause i knew his claim was straight bullshit. weren't you on his wagon for a while too??

How'd you know it was bullshit though?

I didn't say anything but stayed on the wagon to see what happened, but what did you see?

if I remember correctly, the way he claimed vig was by saying these are the people I will shoot. even if you are a real vig, you don't do that. that's just straight stupid. it just seemed so fake and made up that unless he was a deceptive God it was bullshit

???

Vig's shoot people, that's not the same at all

it's really nothing to do with the shooting part. think of it this way: if you claim cop on d2, you have your n1 results to back you up. if you claim vig, the only thing you have to prove you as vig is the kill that you did, but anybody can claim that they killed them and fabricate a reason behind it. the results of a vig are visible to everyone when the day starts saying who they killed. it's just too easy to claim and get away with...

uh, it's the opposite, anybody can claim an investigative result. In order to claim a kill it has to have happened in the first place. If somebody else is a vig they just shoot the fake claimer... why do people think fake claiming vig is a thing? It's not

I guess you're right, anybody can claim a fake investigative result. cause you just did! And you're kind of counter claiming yourself there. you're asking me how I knew his vig claim was bullshit, and you're saying that fake claiming vig isn't a thing. good job dude.

tl;dr I think Echo is town because he reacted well to Dunn's fake Cop result.

I also think Dunn is town. It would be really stupid for scum to fake the result like that. Plus I get a town vibe from some of his earlier posts as well. So Dunn vs Echo is TvT IMO.

I still don't know why this Slick wagon is derailing. If there's a Vig and he doesn't end up lynched, I nominate him for a shot tonight since he's clearly decided to not be helpful or participate in any way.

Finally if the alternative wagon to Slick is Kyouko I'm up for that. I still hate the following posts by him:

Spoiler: Kyouko Scumread

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

So, out of All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi or Texcat please tell me who'd you like me to shoot and who you think the shot would be most wasted on.

I'll take the best case I find and we'll work from there day 2 given the flips we get.

P.S. You won't convince me to shoot outside this pool of players.

Votecount 1.Final

Alisae (1)

Pine ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (10)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , rb , Wraith , drealmerz7 , EchoVision , texcat LYNCH! ,

drealmerz7 (1)

Debi ,

Ircher (1)

Lil Uzi Vert ,

SlickDilinger (2)

Titus , Creature ,

EchoVision (3)

Dunnstral , Alisae , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

No lynch (1)

Ircher ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Gin I've said this multiple times, Texcat.
>They are my strongest scumread.
>Grey came off to me as not playing his towngame.
>They think they're lynchbait when they aren't
>Their reasoning for voting me is very weak.

Alisae isn't Red for this post imo, could still be Blue but I'm leaning more towards town on him. There was also a point when I called some people out for not putting their votes on "useful wagons" when we had 2 large competing wagons and 2 smaller competing wagons between Alisae and Texcat:

Votecount 1.14

Alisae (2)

Wraith , texcat ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Lil Uzi Vert , drealmerz7 , EchoVision ,

drealmerz7 (7)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Ircher , Creature , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Debi ,

texcat (2)

Alisae , Dunnstral ,

Not Voting (2)

Titus , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

All Alone, Zach, HS, Kyouko, rb, Wraith, drealmerz all either SRed Gin or didn't believe his claim I think. That leaves Slick and Echo. Those are my top suspects for Blue mafia based on that reread, if there was a Blue Mafia in Gin's vigpool. I'd rather try to get Red to shoot at them than mislynch a lurker, but I'd go Slick's way today. Not Echo today I don't think. I didn't find anything conclusive in there but I feel like my reads are in a better place now than they were before I went back to read

I may have misunderstood but it seemed to me like HS was saying Wraith if multiball because he thought Gin was scum? Not sure, will see what HS has to say about the multiball flip.

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo

If Wraith is mafia he's probably red, and blue will shoot him tonight, so no need to lynch him right away

laughed at "vig rb"

Maybe swap the days on Echo/Wraith because Wraith might get shot by blue mafia tonight anyways

There's nothing to overlook, blue is a convenient way to refer to the opposite of red. Wraith would get shot because Blue is looking for Tex's partners

@Echo - I think it's optimal to keep the scum factions as evenly matched as possible to keep them scared of each other. If red gets lynched today there will be 0-1 red left and 2-3 blue left as we enter the night phase. I want blue aiming at red and red aiming at blue, I don't want either of them aiming at town/PRs.
What makes you think I'm worried about what happened? I just explained why it's unlikely that there is a vig because Dunn and I were talking about the plausibility of Gin's claim and how Gin could have possibly known if there was a vig or not.

Echo - Do you think Dunn and I are red or blue?

tl;dr His major fixation on finding "Blue" Scum and strange confidence that one scumteam will shoot me tonight makes me think he's Red Scum looking to lynch someone from the rival team.

In fact, that's plenty more justification to vote him than Slick at this point, IMO.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kyouko

The wagon only falls apart if you let it. Get back on.

[Titus]

If the light is green you go
If the light is yellow you slow down
If the light is red you stop

And if the light is blue mafia

#joke

[Titus]

Also @Titus:

Slick was at L-1 for like a total 48 cumulative hours. If someone was going to hammer they would've done it by now. So clearly remaining town players who weren't already on the wagon aren't going to be satisfied with lynching lurker!scum.

At least we can also surmise that Slick is either:

1. Not Town

If he was Town scum would've capitalized on the easy mislynch and hammered IMO. Hammering Slick would have been an easy one to excuse oneself for since he has been lurking so hardcore.

2. All rival scumteam already on the wagon

If he is scum then the rival scumteam was already on the wagon and couldn't hammer.

Why are you supposing the wagoners off are town?

The more logical conclusion is scum do not want to hammer their buddy.

If the slot was town and a threat to the scumteam, he would be dead.

[Titus]

RC, stop saving scum. I posted my reads awhile back. I have limited time for mass spam bullshit.

I am not voting Wraith or any other counterwagon to town.

Fight me if you want.

[Titus]

Votecount 1.13

Alisae (4)

Wraith , drealmerz7 , texcat , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Debi , EchoVision , Lil Uzi Vert ,

drealmerz7 (6)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Creature , Ircher , Alisae ,

Not Voting (3)

Titus , Dunnstral , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

Votecount 1.14

Alisae (2)

Wraith , texcat ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Lil Uzi Vert , drealmerz7 , EchoVision ,

drealmerz7 (7)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Ircher , Creature , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Debi ,

texcat (2)

Alisae , Dunnstral ,

Not Voting (2)

Titus , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

[/size]

VOTE: Drealmerz

We know Gin and Tonic was town, so why would scum push a Drealmerz wagon? Unlikely.

Under that assumption, since Debi moved from Gin to d7 that would make her town, so who are the scum on Gin's wagon in 1.13?

I am actually thinking Sick Ircher Debi plus Drealmerz.

Oh and Echo.

Add Creature and you have the acceptable wagons.

[Titus]

Really, like I was "bad at mafia" in the mini theme where I was voting the last scum and you were calling the mod a liar to avoid calling me town? Get over yourself.

[Titus]

Or how about when I subbed in, never read the game, pegged you as town, and put the scum pool to two. I told you that your scum pool had to match mine bc lylo, and you still refused to vote scum until it was too late.

Dude, I am well respected here for a reason, even with my derps. I am sure you can find one read of mine you would lynch.

[Titus]

None of them. They are all town.

[Titus]

You'll have to crosskill at some point, so why not get rid of that pesky opposing scumteam?

I never realized you liked talking to yourself, but you can use nightkills for taking out obvtown.

[Titus]

You'll have to crosskill at some point, so why not get rid of that pesky opposing scumteam?

I never realized you liked talking to yourself, but you can use nightkills for taking out obvtown.

[Titus]

You'll have to crosskill at some point, so why not get rid of that pesky opposing scumteam?

I never realized you liked talking to yourself, but you can use nightkills for taking out obvtown.

[Titus]

You'll have to crosskill at some point, so why not get rid of that pesky opposing scumteam?

I never realized you liked talking to yourself, but you can use nightkills for taking out obvtown.

[Titus]

If you get a wagon on EchoVision that's got enough support to go through I will follow it. I do not want to vote SD today.
Otherwise I'd love it if you help me lynch scum and I will help you lynch someone you want tomorrow.

Echo has enough. You move, I move.

Echo and SD were nearly tied with most of the game voting.

[Titus]

Do you think no ones witnessed that your posts today are only slightly more decent than the small amount of fluff we had?



Also the new edition Titus meme is going into circulation for the 2017, you guys need to do your part


We must also see a resurgence of Wake88 memes

I want to see this meme.

[Titus]

I am not going to unvote a wagon with 4 votes in favour of one that would have two votes.

You're the one who doesn't agree that Wraith is the obvious scumbuddy, you're going to need to take initiative if you want me to change.

Numbers don't matter.

You're the one that came in and derailed my wagon while townreading me and I built that wagon. So, I am not in the mood to entertain abandoning what's left if I have no assurances you'll be smart and vote scum.

[Titus]

there's something special about this game that makes me not want to read or do anything

Why can't we just lynch slick, again?

Because people unvoted them. If they revote, we have a slick wagon.

[Titus]

Btw, anyone still thinks Ircherslot is scum?

Me

[Titus]

It means that HS is going to help me lynch scum.

It's really fucking obvious by the fifth page post that Wraith is scum who thought that the person they were talking to scumslipped the multiball aspect, for the record.

Show me specific posts. You know I don't bother reading. I caught a multiball slip on page 1 for the record. The guy lurked it away, replaced and that team won.

[Titus]

for the record:

I was figuring it likely multi-ball from signups...so you need to all get off your 'omg he multi-ball knowledge slipped!' cases because they are empty and you give me scumpings trying to make that a reason to lynch someone

it's called being an intuitive, smart, perceptive, whatever, player

It's not about the multiball assumption. I can figure out multiball very easily by the way my scumreads behave. Read the NY I was in with Titus where I said confidently that the game was multiball on the 20th page just based on how scum were acting.

It's the fact that he unreasonably assumed that the 9 scum theory, which wasn't a serious suggestion, meant that the person was suggesting multiball, which meant that they were scum.

That thought process doesn't come from anyone who isn't already scum who are looking for people to slip multiball.

Show specific posts.

This reeks of being a stretch to warrant lynching town and you do not frequently visit the moon.

[Titus]

for the record:

I was figuring it likely multi-ball from signups...so you need to all get off your 'omg he multi-ball knowledge slipped!' cases because they are empty and you give me scumpings trying to make that a reason to lynch someone

it's called being an intuitive, smart, perceptive, whatever, player

It's not about the multiball assumption. I can figure out multiball very easily by the way my scumreads behave. Read the NY I was in with Titus where I said confidently that the game was multiball on the 20th page just based on how scum were acting.

It's the fact that he unreasonably assumed that the 9 scum theory, which wasn't a serious suggestion, meant that the person was suggesting multiball, which meant that they were scum.

That thought process doesn't come from anyone who isn't already scum who are looking for people to slip multiball.

Show specific posts.

This reeks of being a stretch to warrant lynching town and you do not frequently visit the moon.

*facepalm*

I am not scum because I do not support your first choice of lynch, Titus.

That's not what I said.

I said show me the specific posts where you're making your conclusion because your case reeks of being a desperation ploy to save Slick and Echo.

[Titus]

Drealmerz either your town play is utter shit or you are a scumfuck and either way you would do well to stop trying to hinder the Wraith lynch because you're not going to stop it and if this continues I am going to see to it that you get lynched tomorrow before you can make a single fucking post.

His town play needs improvement but he's not doing anything policy lynch level yet.

[Titus]

Oh maths discussion. Yeah, that's not Wraith having knowledge of multiball but pushing scum that slipped. Shame on all of you.

That's exactly what happened when I caught scum. They wagoned the scum but came back for me because I pushed too hard or something equally stupid. I got so frustrated with them I faked vig to get shot and force scum to defend themselves.

This is one of those games. Dumb town outspam anyone else.

[Titus]

Show specific posts.

Read the thread, I'm not even concerned with the multiball slip and I know where they're saying it happened

Spoiler:

119
Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

How did Wraith slip multiball, HS?

510

119
Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

you're playing with him now, kyouko, that is all that matters, that you view him as a threat now (or if you're additionally viewing him like some others claim to be, that he is opposite scum-team at least...)

What gives you the idea that I view Wraith as a threat in the way you're using the word?

It's not the multiball slip.

It's the fact that he made an asinine series of leaps to conclusion to justify pushing someone on a multiball slip.

Titus, please find me a game where I made a 'desperation play' like you're suggesting to defend my scumpartners. I'll wait.

I cannot find a game where you are ever this incoherent and reachy.

[Titus]

I understand what Servera is saying. Has anyone refuted its validity beyond saying it doesn't make sense?

Yeah, I did the same thing and was town and accurate and got sheeps.

Now, you're not even listening to the argument just going aling to shut up the conversation.

[Titus]

Show specific posts.

Read the thread, I'm not even concerned with the multiball slip and I know where they're saying it happened

Spoiler:

119
Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

How did Wraith slip multiball, HS?

510

119
Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

you're playing with him now, kyouko, that is all that matters, that you view him as a threat now (or if you're additionally viewing him like some others claim to be, that he is opposite scum-team at least...)

What gives you the idea that I view Wraith as a threat in the way you're using the word?

It's not the multiball slip.

It's the fact that he made an asinine series of leaps to conclusion to justify pushing someone on a multiball slip.

Titus, please find me a game where I made a 'desperation play' like you're suggesting to defend my scumpartners. I'll wait.

I cannot find a game where you are ever this incoherent and reachy.

Did you consider that I'm not incoherent and reachy, you just perceive me as such because you're frustrated at me not agreeing with your Slick wagon?

You are reachy AND I am frustrated this garbage is coming back. They are not mutually exclusive.

So my only question is why are you reaching and why us this being proped up by all those who derail Slick?

[Titus]

Alisae

Wraith is town, because when he said he townread me because of Grey's push, it sort of suggested he thought it was singleball and scum would know it's multiball.

Wraith is scum, because as town he's much more aggressive and doesn't just post these weird catch up walls and yadda yadda.

Which of these makes more sense for you?

which is your belief?

[Titus]

Also I'd like to point out that Echovision keeps trying to discredit me and my Wraith push. I'm assuming that was the purpose of the 'trying to get into Titus's pants' comment.
He goes tomorrow.

We are not lynching Wraith today on your garbage. You want Wraith, bring good evidence that's worth letting near confirmed scum go and wrecking my VCA.

[Titus]

VOTE: Creature

[Titus]

Titus VCA is cool an all but are you sure it's effective this early?
We only have 2 flips.

Flipping the major wagons helps me do vca later. It's not extremely effective now but is a decent place to start. Only red naf vca is effective atm.

[Titus]

I plan to read when I get home but why is Creature confscum?

Creature's scum for Dismantling the Slick wagon and 180ing on Wraith when the opportunity presented itself.

[Titus]

Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.

No. Wraith and Mort are town.

[Titus]

Mortfeld/Wraith/EchoVision is the blue scumteam.

No. Wraith and Mort are town.

Titus your reads are wrong this game.

No they are not. If you do manage to push through this mislynch, I expect you to follow my pool until wrong.

[Titus]

I'm not sure if I ever told you but there's a set of metrics I use when going over your reads to determine whether your reads are good or not.
The reason I sheeped you on Fire in TTH's game was because every single metric said that your read on the remaining slots would be on point.
Did you know that when you're absolutely unwilling to consider compromise then your lynch wagon is nearly always on town?
Conversely, when you are actually on scum, you are usually way more willing to compromise and a lot less sure of yourself.
Did you know that when you're directly trying to connect wagons and put together scumteams early you are usually wrong?
Conversely, when your read is something more along the lines of 'This 1 person is scum and I don't know what else is going on' your read is usually right.
I understand that you are perceiving me adversarially here but with your current play I have very good reason to not want to follow you and your creature vote is going the exact wrong direction.
and I am fucking confident in Wraith/Echo scum. I am very, very, very rarely this confident in a scumteam this early in the game but there is literally nothing pointing me away from them being a scumteam.

Yeah, no. I compromise away from town and onto scum.

You're the one steadfastly not willing to consider Wraith is obviously town and join in on wagons we agree on like Echo. I have asked you for something better for a dialogue but I think we both know you cannot because he's town and you refuse to let go of your pride.

I am compromising with my pool all day. I refuse to vote outside it without damn good reason. Your stretch will never be it.

[Titus]

I am stymied as to why All Alone is still not part of discussion

He's town. Pick someone in my pool. Ty vm.

[Titus]

Okay, I didn't expect anything different. But regardless of what anything flips if I don't get my way and I die tonight I expect you to lynch Wraith for me.

Fair enough.

[Titus]

Severa, Alusae has 680 posts and is practically drowning out discussion...

[Titus]

Severa, Alusae has 680 posts and is practically drowning out discussion...

Because of this, I feel like one team wants me lynched cuz I'll be an ez mislynch and the other team wants me alive so as you said, I could drown the conversation.

Then stop sheeping the person that says you're not a detriment to the game. Take a moment. Reset. Make a wall post with sourced reads on everyone. I feel you're town but don't strangle others.

[Titus]

Call me back when Severa and Alusae are not spamming everyone wlse out.

Prod dodge

[Titus]

Echo, I know you're buddying me, but I don't care. As long as you're voting scum and aren't the major wagon, I can use you.

[Titus]

If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

As a lawyer I void this contract

Objection, don't pull this stunt with a real lawyer. You'll quickly enter policy lynch territory.

[Titus]

We are not lynching Severa.

Blinding pride is not grounds for lynching.

[Titus]

Considering that my predecessor vigged one scumfuck, I don't see why the vig is being a detriment to town.

Wait, so if your predecessor shot texcat, then neither mafia team went through with a night kill??????????

that's weird as fuck...?

Went through with? Weird phrasing

[Titus]

I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL. DO YOU KNOW WHY I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL? WRAITH IS STILL ALIVE.

And he will be because you are wrong. Go to plan B. He will be alive. Prove your other reads. No amount of yelling will change my mind.

[Titus]

I am absolutely as stubborn as you are and withdrew from the thread because you cannot be reasoned with. We can do Echo. Not Wraith.

[Titus]

I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL. DO YOU KNOW WHY I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL? WRAITH IS STILL ALIVE.

Scum or town I feel bad for Wraith

I don't take things said in thread personally. I know that feeling when you feel locked in on someone as scum and no one believes you.

Me 3.

Echo lynch?

[Titus]

I don't see any particular value in redacting that information anymore given that he's already confirmed himself as scum.

We are lynching in the two of us, period, bye.

Knock off the lying to get a lynch. I am not complying with this.

[Titus]

Titus, this is a game where you're so locked into one version of what's been going on that you're absolutely blind to how little the gamestate complies with it.

I am not the one lying to force through my worldview. Your lies are selling Wraith town ever more than he could. Rather than having a rational discussion, you claimed two differwnt guilties.

[Titus]

Is there a point where after he flips scum you admit that you were wrong and help me lynch his scumbuddies?

You mean like Echo, like I offerred.

I am not wrong on my reads. If you think I am, fake claims are not the way to go.

[Titus]

Oh and if both Slick and Wraith are scum that still puts you in the wrong because I never said that Slick was town, I simply said that I had a better lynch for today.

Right, you felt like lying to lynch your number 1 scumread than working with me where we agreed.

[Titus]

Rebbe

If Wraith flips cop, who shoots who?

I think you should stick with ssbm and I shoot Severa.

You shoot Severa, I vote park on your ass.

[Titus]

VOTE: EchoVision

[Titus]

Vla until Monday

[Titus]

VOTE: EchoVision

Hi Titus thoughts on this game?

In this game, you are a liar and I want nothing to do with you or the high horse you rode in on.

[Titus]

I claimed a guilty and I couldn't get Wraith lynched. Considering that I think it's not at all unreasonable to assume that Wraith would have endgamed town if left alive.

Sometimes the hand of fate must be forced.

No. It says how little you think of me this game, so you can go fuck yourself in game.

I <3 you out of game.

[Titus]

Cuz you know to me right now it feels like you're not mad at me for not following you, you're mad at me for having been right in not doing so.

Neither. I am mad at you for not trusting me or engaging me and putting your need for your lynch above truth and honesty and teamwork. You lied just to get your way. I can accept being wrong. I cannot accept liars and cheats.

P.S. My reads have usually been right when I do tunnel and tunnel far less often. I would be inclined to see you really felt that way, but I doubt it. It just reeks of you wanting control.

If I cannot trust you, I do not sheep you.

[Titus]

He was, but no good reason was given. I still do not care for Creature.

[Titus]

Hey, whoever shot me, I understand. My reads were bad and I didn't have good indications on recalibrating. It was technically a misshoot but it probably helped town.

[Titus]

Hey, whoever shot me, I understand. My reads were bad and I didn't have good indications on recalibrating. It was technically a misshoot but it probably helped town.

I was the one who vigged you. When scum fake claimed cop and said you were innocent, I wanted your flip. It was more of a policy vig than anything. I lied about who I viged to see if the scum that shot Severa would try to call me of on the lie and I can push him for knowing that I was lying.

Sorry for the vig. Though had you lived, I may have pushed for your lynch

That's a decent policy. It was wrong here, but sometimes policies are. Flipping me tells you if scum wanted my opinions or I was scum. Either is valuable.

This is the first misvig of me that really wasn't IMO.

So no hard feelings. You played well.

[Titus]

Hai there Titus
sorry about wanting you ded ;~;

No harm in this one.

There's enough of me to go around.

I'm already hydraed for Civilization mafia (probably) but any mini or larger (other than mini normals) I am down for. Just pm me your skype.

[Titus]

Would love to hydra with you sometime.

You ask Titus but not me?
I feel hurt.

We can hydra to if you want <3

You and me hydra for RC's game?