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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:09 am

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VOTE: pine

Serious vote
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Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:23 am

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Don't like this counterwagon shit
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:24 am

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You could even say I have a bad feeling about this
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Post Post #24 (isolation #3) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:10 am

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You like your VCA don't you

Does CWing mean anything to you this early?
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Post Post #47 (isolation #4) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:10 pm

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In post 31, Titus wrote:
In post 24, Infinity 324 wrote:You like your VCA don't you

Does CWing mean anything to you this early?

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I need flips. I can theorize with wagons but please don't try to "help" with my VCA with your votes. Just vote. Trying to help or get me to VCA on page 1 is creepy as fuck and your push on Pine reeks of desperation.
If you don't like VCA page 1, why did you vote me?

Your reaction here seems overblown.

VOTE: titus
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Post Post #53 (isolation #5) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:50 pm

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In post 48, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 47, Infinity 324 wrote:Your reaction here seems overblown.
I'm hoping you're not being serious here.
Where did I overreact to something?
In post 49, Titus wrote:I voted you for your desperation posting regarding Pine and your overly friendly nature, which you immediately 180ed on. You still seem to be flailing about, which is odd for page 2 and me barely posting.
I uh

I don't see where I did either of those things?
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Post Post #55 (isolation #6) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:56 pm

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You're just way misreading my tone is all I can say
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Post Post #56 (isolation #7) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:58 pm

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Or scum
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Post Post #59 (isolation #8) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:02 pm

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I like assuming players are town when I talk to them because they most likely are no matter my read on them
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Post Post #61 (isolation #9) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:04 pm

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Pine why do you feel the need to defend me
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Post Post #63 (isolation #10) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:05 pm

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This is going to be quite a game
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Post Post #64 (isolation #11) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:07 pm

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How's it going LUV? Any reads yet?
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Post Post #66 (isolation #12) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:13 pm

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Ok, that's the answer I was expecting
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Post Post #70 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:21 pm

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That's fine, as long as you actually do reassess.

UNVOTE:

I think this is fine given titus's playstyle.

However, something bothered me about pine's first post and he continues to seem somewhat fake.

VOTE: pine
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Post Post #71 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:22 pm

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In post 69, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 64, Infinity 324 wrote:How's it going LUV? Any reads yet?
Good. Nice to see you again Infinity!

I have a gut scum read on Drunken Piper for his entrance. Felt a bit too try hard for an RVS vote.
Ok, I can kinda see that.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:26 pm

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It's an abbreviation :roll:
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Post Post #77 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:27 pm

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I like where you're going with that
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Post Post #80 (isolation #17) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:07 am

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I like the rhymes :)
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Post Post #90 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:13 am

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Mm

I only ever get accused of trying too hard when I'm town
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Post Post #126 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:17 pm

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It's because it was a major issue you didn't address
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Post Post #128 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:17 pm

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In post 32, KuroiXHF wrote:VOTE: Titus

I didn't know that you were in this game.
In post 34, PrettyPrincess wrote:Oh god don't start with the VCA fight

let's save that til at least D3
In post 47, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 31, Titus wrote:
In post 24, Infinity 324 wrote:You like your VCA don't you

Does CWing mean anything to you this early?

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I need flips. I can theorize with wagons but please don't try to "help" with my VCA with your votes. Just vote. Trying to help or get me to VCA on page 1 is creepy as fuck and your push on Pine reeks of desperation.
If you don't like VCA page 1, why did you vote me?

Your reaction here seems overblown.

VOTE: titus
In post 48, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 47, Infinity 324 wrote:Your reaction here seems overblown.
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I'm hoping you're not being serious here.
Most other people who posted at the time addressed it
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Post Post #129 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:17 pm

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In post 50, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 49, Titus wrote:I voted you for your desperation posting regarding Pine and your overly friendly nature, which you immediately 180ed on. You still seem to be flailing about, which is odd for page 2 and me barely posting.
Pretty much every assertion here seems entirely premature.

Aww, Titus, we're not going to be friends this game, are we?

VOTE: Titus
#srsvote
In post 62, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Titus, I think you're letting your aggroance be your worse enemy again.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #22) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:20 pm

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In post 78, Drunken Piper wrote:
In post 58, Titus wrote:
@Pine, I believe all of it, and I am well out of RVS. I have caught scum before post 20 in another game. I tunnelled too hard and town let it go.
such a brag, such a boast
what game dear sir, so we can toast?
In post 81, SirCakez wrote:
In post 36, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 30, SirCakez wrote:Dead off the bat, not a good start for a large theme...
So you're Leia, then?

#Too soon

Pine
Indeed too soon

VOTE: titus
A commune with spirits lead me to this vote
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In post 86, SirCakez wrote:Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.
I never understand stuff like this. If trying too hard is evidently scummy, why would Titus think that it's going to build towncred?
And more

Actually, pretty much everyone who posted addressed the issue of titus or something related to that issue.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:00 am

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That's fair
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Post Post #141 (isolation #24) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:36 am

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I'm not trying to control shit, don't know where you got that. It was a major issue because it was a strong reaction early on that could be used to judge alignment. But I think it's not really AI for you, so I unvoted.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #25) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:37 am

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People can still talk about me, but that doesn't mean I have to address every point when I don't believe anything good will come out of it.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #26) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:30 am

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In post 144, Heartless wrote:I'm on the same wavelength with Antihero regarding the vote.
Just saying, this shit is going to get confusing if you don't sign your posts.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #27) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:28 am

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In post 146, Titus wrote:
In post 142, Infinity 324 wrote:People can still talk about me, but that doesn't mean I have to address every point when I don't believe anything good will come out of it.
The selective push does tell things to me. Namely, that whatever your alignment is, you're likely doing something scum want. The hyper, extreme defense of your awkward push on Pine says as much. Then people pretend you were not trying. Major bullshit. Even if you argue senantics on awkward, you were trying to have Pine lynched.
I don't think I get it?

Yes I was exaggerated my dislike for the counterwagon if I didn't say it already. But like, it's still something to notice especially when there's not much else going on. And no, of course I wasn't pushing for a lynch on page 1.
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Post Post #160 (isolation #28) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:11 am

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In post 152, Titus wrote:
In post 151, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 146, Titus wrote:
In post 142, Infinity 324 wrote:People can still talk about me, but that doesn't mean I have to address every point when I don't believe anything good will come out of it.
The selective push does tell things to me. Namely, that whatever your alignment is, you're likely doing something scum want. The hyper, extreme defense of your awkward push on Pine says as much. Then people pretend you were not trying. Major bullshit. Even if you argue senantics on awkward, you were trying to have Pine lynched.
I don't think I get it?

Yes I was exaggerated my dislike for the counterwagon if I didn't say it already. But like, it's still something to notice especially when there's not much else going on. And no, of course I wasn't pushing for a lynch on page 1.
Your "exaggeration" sure looked like pushing a Pine lynch to me.
Well I'm not dumb enough to try to justify pushing for a lynch on page 1 as scum. Not to mention the fact that calling out a counterwagon =/= pushing a lynch.
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Post Post #161 (isolation #29) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:12 am

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In post 155, Titus wrote:but apparently not pushing it?
Well it's mostly a gut read and he hasn't done much scummy since I revoted him.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #30) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:42 am

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In post 162, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:it feels off to have a strong personality saying she caught scum right out the gate but have the level-head to produce VCA which apparently she's good at doing.
This is titus in a nutshell

ok I like that posting enough. Still am kinda concerned about the early stuff but I'll let it go for now

VOTE: AJ

Like thinkbig said, they're fluffing it up
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Post Post #179 (isolation #31) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:56 am

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In post 172, Nero Cain wrote:As much as I'd love to kill Titus before she fucks over town I have a slight feeling that Infinity is white knighting her.
WK without a townread, that's a new one
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Post Post #182 (isolation #32) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:12 pm

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Uhh

Ok so thinkbig was saying what he said because he thought it was a contradiction in personality, I responded to say no that just how titus is. The thing about being good at VCA...ok, I'm not sure I completely agree with you and I'm also not sure that it matter. My point was that there's no contradiction there.

I liked thinkbig's post because the last 3 paragraphs were good observations and said in a genuine noob town way.

AJ is fluffing it up and giving commentary instead of scumhunting.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #33) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:27 pm

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In post 187, Titus wrote:@Infinity, if you think I'm not good at VCA, why were you asking me to do it on page 1?
Didn't say that.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #34) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:31 pm

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In post 61, Infinity 324 wrote:Pine why do you feel the need to defend me
In post 65, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
In post 61, Infinity 324 wrote:Pine why do you feel the need to defend me
Don't give a shit about you. There's just as much chance this is an attempt to distance from you.

What stands out is that Titus is leaping to serious conclusions based on jack all. It comes off as very contrived.

TLDR: Attacking Titus =! Defending you
In post 66, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok, that's the answer I was expecting
Did you miss this interaction titus?

Separately but related, I don't see why you think pine is trying to defend me and not just attack you. Can you explain that better?
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Post Post #200 (isolation #35) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:33 pm

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In post 191, Titus wrote:if you think my VCA is shit
I don't think your VCA is shit, and I never said it was
In post 194, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 187, Titus wrote:More accurately, I tend to townread honesty and scumread deception,
then your honesty and deception receptors are off. Can we get a repair droid over here?!?
In post 63, Infinity 324 wrote:This is going to be quite a game
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Post Post #201 (isolation #36) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:34 pm

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In post 199, Titus wrote:The refusal to form an opinion on you when you've been voting him for a majority of the game, yet stating your actions appear rather town motivated. There's no effort to take you from Null.
That's not WKing but ok that accusation makes some sense
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Post Post #207 (isolation #37) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:47 pm

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In post 182, Infinity 324 wrote:The thing about being good at VCA...ok, I'm not sure I completely agree with you and I'm also not sure that it matter.
This is not saying your VCA is shit titus. This is saying I'm not sure whether nero is right that's it's easy to be good at VCA.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #38) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:56 pm

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VOTE: sircakez

He's been playing kinda safe so far, the only real original line he brought up was the thing about alban, and the response to nero's question feels fake.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #39) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:03 pm

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Post Post #225 (isolation #40) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:18 pm

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In post 200, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 63, Infinity 324 wrote:This is going to be quite a game
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Post Post #226 (isolation #41) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:18 pm

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Ok from now on I'm gonna get every pagetop with that
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Post Post #231 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:29 pm

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The way to differentiate between bad town and scum is to use scumtells other than "bad logic"

Which cakez has done. So we're good.
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Post Post #232 (isolation #43) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:30 pm

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In post 230, SirCakez wrote:What feels fake about it?
This is a throwaway response

Like how the hell am I supposed to answer that question
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Post Post #235 (isolation #44) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:32 pm

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In post 230, SirCakez wrote:That's the exception rather then the norm, and I wouldn't expect a veteran like Titus to do it for towncred. I have dropped that point anyway.
Is cakez always this...fake-sounding as town? Cause I feel like I've heard someone say he is before.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:47 pm

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That post restriction is probably a lot more fun to read than it is to post
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Post Post #245 (isolation #46) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:48 pm

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In post 242, SirCakez wrote:Like what the hell was fake about my response to Nero? Why would I even fake that?
Scum get self conscious when asked certain questions, if that's the case you prob couldn't help it
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Post Post #249 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:50 pm

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In post 243, Heartless wrote:infinity do you have a recent scumgame? i need some toilet reading.
Here's my most recent one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68698

And another one cause that was a micro and low activity

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=68717
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Post Post #250 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:51 pm

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In post 225, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 200, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 63, Infinity 324 wrote:This is going to be quite a game
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Post Post #251 (isolation #49) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:53 pm

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In post 249, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 243, Heartless wrote:infinity do you have a recent scumgame? i need some toilet reading.
Here's my most recent one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68698

And another one cause that was a micro and low activity

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=68717
Uh I gave you the dead thread for the second one lol

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68714
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Post Post #297 (isolation #50) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:06 pm

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In post 255, Aj The Epic wrote:As for my post early on (pot/kettle), this was because I read Infinity's early post (24?) as asking titus to save his ass from an early wagon. Which would've been an overreaction in every sense of the word. There wasn't really any reason to be that concerned for a counter wagon, so I thought it was funny Infinity thought titus was overreacting by continuing an RVS wagon.
I have a way of playing early game that few people seem to understand. It's based on the premise that no content will come unless people generate it, so everything I'm doing early is an attempt to generate content. With that in mind, yeah there's probably no reason to be thinking about CWs on page 1 except for the fact that it gets discussion going, which it certainly did.

Also the CW wasn't on me it was on cakez

Also why didn't you vote me there?

But the thing about your playstyle is good to know.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #51) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:07 pm

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In post 257, SirCakez wrote:This avoids the question
No it doesn't. You asked why you would fake your response, I said you probably couldn't help but fake it.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #52) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:08 pm

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In post 258, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm the "tonic" in Pine-A-Tonic, just look at the names lol

"thinkbig" is part of the TheThinker hydra
Ah sorry
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Post Post #300 (isolation #53) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:09 pm

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In post 261, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 143, Drunken Piper wrote:
In post 134, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You sound like you're overreacting to being called scummy about the issue. If you didn't care to comment on it, you should've just said why and moved on.
I see this post, up in this joint,
and it leads me to ask, what is the point?
It was my way of telling him to calm down and move on. I don't find the Titus vs Infinity, Nero, and PAT argument interesting at all and I wish everyone would just ignore her until she drops it. It is more noisy than helpful in figuring out their alignments at this point.
In post 144, Heartless wrote:alban, which alignment do you prefer to play?

I'm on the same wavelength with Antihero regarding the vote.
Which head said this? What was the purpose of the first question?
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Vote: Infinity 324 for Rogue Leader
I can get behind this.

VOTE: Infinity for Rouge Leader
I like this post. The votes for me are flattering :)
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Post Post #301 (isolation #54) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:10 pm

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(But I like the other parts of the post as well)
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Post Post #302 (isolation #55) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:18 pm

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In post 282, Desperado wrote:Q: Would LUV dumbtell like that as scum?
Not sure, leaning towards no

@LUV Has anyone other than me in this game played with you before?
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Post Post #303 (isolation #56) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:23 pm

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VOTE: klingon

Like desp a lot.

Note: just because I'm changing votes doesn't mean I'm dropping scumreads. I still scumread cakez and have some suspicions on AJ

I have much better reads now than I usually ever have early d1. So awesome
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Post Post #306 (isolation #57) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:45 am

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Yep like I said cakez is still scum
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Post Post #311 (isolation #58) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:32 am

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In post 307, Nero Cain wrote:if you still think Cakez is scum why did you switch?
Because I think klingon is scummier
In post 309, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 302, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 282, Desperado wrote:Q: Would LUV dumbtell like that as scum?
Not sure, leaning towards no

@LUV Has anyone other than me in this game played with you before?
Ari, Nero, Pine, ThinkBig, and Titus.
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Post Post #313 (isolation #59) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:49 am

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I get waiting and seeing, but the thing is that post is just so in line with what disengaged scum say. Even the reads sound fake.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #60) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:25 am

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Hi PP, any other reads?

I feel like rogue leader should make neighborhoods of 3, what do you guys think
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Post Post #318 (isolation #61) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:58 am

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3 people is more efficient than 2 obviously while still brig small enough to pressure scum or keep a townbloc.
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Not only is there a greater risk for adding scum, it's easier to hide in a bigger group.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #63) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:16 am

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GL with that :)

Just so you guys know, if I'm elected rogue leader and people want a neighborhood of 4, I'll do that as well. Just personally 3 seems better to me.
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Post Post #325 (isolation #64) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:22 am

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At least it's better than being antagonistic...
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Post Post #327 (isolation #65) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:25 am

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Only to titus...so far
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Post Post #329 (isolation #66) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:28 am

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^ I like this post
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Post Post #332 (isolation #67) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:33 am

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I think I'm comfortable saying nero is town now. I've played with him as town and caught him as scum before and he has this very particular playstyle as town that is very hard to fake

(Unrelated to our conversation)
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Post Post #334 (isolation #68) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:37 am

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Nah, if anything I'd vote desp.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #69) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:30 am

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In post 339, SirCakez wrote:Not that, the "what is fake about it?" that was the initial question.
Well fakeness is determined by gut so I can't really answer your question.

But uh...

VOTE: cakez

There are a lot of things wrong with that last post and I may or may not quote the issues with it. But that, plus the fact that TTH convinced me that PP is scummy, making klingon a bit townier, means cakez is a better vote.
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There are many.

But let's start with: why did you say in the spoiler a reason to townread pp then say to TTH you didn't remember why you townread her?

And why would it matter to scum!nero when you get mislynched?
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Yeah but why you it be worrying if you found a second reason to townread her?

Also unless scum could get a difficult lynch on d1 easier than later on it doesn't really matter what order things go in.
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In post 339, SirCakez wrote:TBH I can't remember why I was town reading them which isn't really a good sign
On the second thing I just disagree but w/e

I don't like these long back-and-forths, they usually aren't productive, so if someone else wants me to point out other things I disliked about that post, I will.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #73) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:28 am

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Well

That's why I asked for anyone else
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LUV, how do you see the difference between your town and scum meta? Do you think you could fake your town meta as scum?
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In post 365, SirCakez wrote:Riiight.
What's wrong for asking if someone else wants me to elaborate so I don't get into a huge useless back and forth
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Post Post #371 (isolation #76) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:36 am

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@cakez Trust me, it'd be more annoying the other way.
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In post 373, SirCakez wrote:I'd rather talk to you about it then have you hold it over my head and refuse to discuss it.
It shouldn't matter so much to you if youre town
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Hate to say this, but "retracting" points and scumreads is more of a scum thing to do. Town usually have some gut-based thing behind their actions, and once they latch onto something they don't let go easily.
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Cakez, do you usually like to get into wall arguments with people?
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Post Post #400 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:19 pm

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In post 397, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 338, Heartless wrote:
In post 295, Klingoncelt wrote:I always Townread TTH.
I remember you from Gistou but not from anything else. :S

Up to that point I'd only made two posts: and . Were you townreading either of those? I'm a little lost on the nature of this read, mostly the described history of "always townreading" me.

-TTH
I followed some of your games when I first joined this site. Heartless was in Ika's Mafia Lottery:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6500652

and in Space Dandy 1:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=62603

You replaced into Shos' 11PM:
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There's 6 more pages of games that I don't want to search through, plus I have a secret alt account, plus I've been in several hydras. (One of these days I'm going to make a nice, tidy list of everything.)
I think TTH's question was whether you townread her first 2 posts.
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Post Post #402 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:24 pm

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{pp, cakez, AJ, klingon} is the scummy pile but I don't know who's the best vote. I guess I'll stay on cakez for now.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:36 pm

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Cakez, don't say you didn't ask for this. And don't expect to convince my gut with logic.
Yeah I'm dumping this point. I was wrong I think, too much evidence to the contrary.
Hmm...have you used tryhardiness as a tell before? Have people made that argument before? What made you at first think that it was scummy if there was evidence against it? This pings my gut but not sure I can explain
I'm aware of Ari's lurking as scum, I just wanted to make a joke.
Uh..it was a sarcastic comment implying that TTH was scumhunting badly or scum. Didn't seem like a joke to me.
Molla's naked voting is shity too but iirc Molla never explains things
What's the point of this statement?
Hi TTH! I'm not avoiding you guys, I just didn't think to ask about your Princess read.
This tone feels off and a change from your sarcastic comment earlier
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Post Post #404 (isolation #83) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:39 pm

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In post 378, SirCakez wrote:Ha! You would know that doesn't apply to me if you actually metaed me.
Oh man, you got me, I didn't meta you. That means my scumread on you must be shit.
Like ok here's a look at AJ's ISO

6 - RVS
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48 - Shitpost
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377 - his terrible vote on me
What do you think about AJ talking about his difficulties early d1?
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Post Post #405 (isolation #84) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:44 pm

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Like cakez, if you're town here, you can avoid getting in wall arguments pretty easily. Instead of trying to defend against every single point, show you're town through transparent scumhunting. If that doesn't work, well that's mafia that's how it goes.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #85) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:21 am

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Cause you kept insisting I give you something to respond to and it was getting on my nerves
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Post Post #413 (isolation #86) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:00 am

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In post 410, Titus wrote:Why do you give anything your scumreads want if annoying enough?
No good reason, just lost my patience
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Post Post #415 (isolation #87) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:35 am

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Vote: desperado for rogue leader
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Post Post #420 (isolation #88) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:17 am

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In post 418, SirCakez wrote:
In post 409, Infinity 324 wrote:Cause you kept insisting I give you something to respond to and it was getting on my nerves
Well that defeats the whole point if you just throw out junk because "on my nerves"
Well the questions are genuine but the other points are worth a vote by themselves
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Post Post #423 (isolation #89) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:40 am

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In post 421, SirCakez wrote:Not much, I think the kind of stuff he spewed in his vote on me was definitely from scum. Klingon also claims to play badly early on, that's not stopping the wagon on her.
I didn't see klingon say that.

I like that answer to the other questions though actually.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #90) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:41 am

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In post 422, Aj The Epic wrote:The language you use is ambiguous. Purposefully.
kind of stuff he spewed in his vote on me was definitely from scum
Like it would just kill you to give actual context.
I kinda doubt that even if cakez is scum since he already explained what he disliked about it earlier.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #91) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:01 am

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But that's very different from AJ's thing. AJ explained specifically why he had trouble d1 and why that was showing in his posts, while klingon just said she's bad at d1.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #92) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:17 am

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Ok we'll see how it develops
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Post Post #429 (isolation #93) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:18 am

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: klingon
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Post Post #440 (isolation #94) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:47 pm

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AJ looks genuine to me, though nitpicky
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Post Post #443 (isolation #95) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:34 pm

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Why do you say he's faking it and not just town or scum with a PR?
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Post Post #444 (isolation #96) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:35 pm

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I feel like that'd be an annoying thing to fake and then people would get suspicious if there was no punishment when you messed up.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #97) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:52 pm

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In post 445, Heartless wrote:well his title is "couplet typer" so i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this is a posting gimmick
Oh lol
In post 446, Titus wrote:Sorry I am a we bit behind here. My pc died.

I would like to see if Heartless/Desperado/Nero can agree on crap because I TR all 3 atm.

Me too
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Post Post #449 (isolation #98) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:59 pm

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LUV is kind of a question mark for me, I saw a difference in his scum game and town game but he has motivation and apparently ability to fake his town game.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #99) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:23 pm

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In post 452, Titus wrote:Ugh, that probably means I am wrong somewhere...
Hint: it's not any of the townreads.
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Post Post #465 (isolation #100) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:26 pm

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LUV, would you say you played that way in the newbie game?
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Post Post #468 (isolation #101) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:32 pm

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In post 467, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'd like to think so at least. My play style has drastically changed since then. I was more fencesitty and cautious.
Wait but pine's criticism
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Post Post #470 (isolation #102) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:41 pm

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Ok I'll go look

@Titus if you still scumread me, why aren't you freaking out that I'm likely to be elected rogue leader?
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Post Post #500 (isolation #103) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:01 pm

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@cakez Who other than AJ is scum on your wagon
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Post Post #572 (isolation #104) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:10 pm

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Hey mastin! It's nice to get to play with you after seeing you in MD so much :)-
In post 550, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Nero or Infinity can do me the solid here but both Pine told me that Nero is bleeding town and Infinity is saying Nero has a distinct scum game so could I get a link of one of his games as town and scum? I'd like to be in the loop if anyone brings up an argument for town/scum Nero in regards to meta.

I'd just like some eye candy for when I'm at work tomorrow because I don't like phone-posting that much but I can still read.

/Gin
Scum game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66474

Still proud of myself for guessing the scum game in that one :)

Town game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... =+Princess

Still embarrassed with myself for getting force-replaced from that one...
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Post Post #595 (isolation #105) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:50 pm

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In post 585, Titus wrote:Infinity's avoidance.
Where's my vote
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Post Post #597 (isolation #106) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:54 pm

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In post 594, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 591, Desperado wrote:Here, I've made the words all big so that you can't miss them.
Yeah I'm sorry I didn't write up a goddamn permission slip to vote Cakez
The issue is the contradiction, you called out cakez for only mentioning you once before the vote and your vote was the first time you mentioned cakez.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #107) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:55 pm

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mastin, what do you think about LUV replacing out then staying in?
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Post Post #609 (isolation #108) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:48 pm

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Ooh, that's a bad vote klingon.
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I don't like pine's reaction to the mastin vote. But scum!pine was more cold and analytical when I played with him
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Post Post #616 (isolation #110) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:17 pm

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In post 612, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 609, Infinity 324 wrote:Ooh, that's a bad vote klingon.
No, Desperado's tunnel on me is too stalkerish and weird. Add to that his reads on
every
vote on Cakes. The dude is Traitorous Scum.
....that's your incriminating case?

Why can't town!desp be tunneling? What the fuck is wrong with looking at every cakez vote?
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Post Post #638 (isolation #111) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:20 am

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In post 634, mastina wrote:
In post 610, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't like pine's reaction to the mastin vote. But scum!pine was more cold and analytical when I played with him
Have you considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, Pine in a different game with a different playerlist especially when he is in a hydra might have chosen a different playstyle? Especially post-mastina replace-in.
Yes, I have considered that. Not all scum can do that convincingly though. And the playstyle has been a thing since the beginning of the game.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #112) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:24 am

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In post 639, SirCakez wrote:
In post 627, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 377, Aj The Epic wrote:In his own post, he had other places that he looked like he wanted to go and settled with me
But is it really.
Yep, I'm not sure what this quote is supposed to show
Looks like it's supposed to show that AJ's criticism of you was that you didn't mention him in the post where you voted him.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #113) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:27 am

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In post 636, mastina wrote:
In post 621, Heartless wrote: ok how about pine
Let me simplify: iso them.

...Do you see any actual
good
posts made by them?
It's from the other head, but how about ?
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You're saying AJ criticized you for one thing, and then went back and said he criticized you for something else, or what?
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Post Post #645 (isolation #115) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:42 am

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I don't think a scum would be ballsy enough for that. I think he just mis-explained it the first time.
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You need to be ballsy to claim your post says something completely different than it actually does, yes.
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In post 697, Titus wrote:That vc is a steaming pile of shit. Infinity is scum.
Ok you're not this bad as scum.

You should seriously know I'm town by now.
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In post 728, alban wrote:Thank you.
I had read it already.
I asked what's their functionality?
Why a rogue crew?
The message says, the crew members may have abilities. Which means they may not too. So what does a night crew do in the night?
No one knows anything more than you do.

I don't see molla's town mindset very well. LUV is worrying me a bit as well but I like his mastin questioning.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #119) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:57 pm

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In post 734, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Alban, whats your opinion on the cakez wagon and do you think AJ is the better lynch or no?

I'm checking in before I go to bed and I realized I don't actually know what your opinions are on the game right now

/Gin
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Post Post #747 (isolation #120) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:59 pm

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In post 739, The Thinker wrote:Thinkbig hadn't said shit at this point in the game, in or out of the hydra.
This was cleared up, I meant gin.

Can you give some actual content now? The fluff plus your odd tone is worrying me.

Oh yeah, gamma replaced in so I should be able to read him. Hi gamma!
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Post Post #748 (isolation #121) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:10 pm

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In post 652, mastina wrote:
In post 641, Infinity 324 wrote:It's from the other head, but how about ?
You must see something I don't.

I see a lack of original thought, mostly just sheepishly following the more experienced head in a timid way, uncharacteristic of a player like Gin. Some empty questions which don't accomplish much are basically the highlight of the post, but...empty questions being empty, they did nothing.
I don't see anything unoriginal I'm that post, I see 3 good points questions and the tone of a noob town cautiously entering the game. The question of cakez made sense early, I think it's natural for someone to wonder why exactly cakez voted me after the CW talk. Also he pointed out that AJ didn't answer my question about where I overreacted to something, I kinda missed that lol. And he was the first one to point out how fluffy AJ was iirc.

I also liked pine calling out LUV's "safe" play.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #122) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:45 am

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Just because someone is a good play doesn't mean you should auto-sheep them.
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Post Post #752 (isolation #123) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:51 am

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If you're not confident in your own reads, yes. Otherwise take their opinion into account but don't treat it as fact.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #124) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:06 am

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In post 753, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't think scum would want to take such a risk standing out.
Hmm, really? What risk would that be in this particular case?
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Post Post #756 (isolation #125) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:26 am

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Not sure how that attention would be a bad thing though. He's already drawing attention to himself with his unorthodox play.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #126) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:44 am

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Its a weak reason but could be town imo

I'm just worried about LUV for the same reason pine was, he seems to be playing it safe too much.
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Post Post #764 (isolation #127) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:53 am

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How is he discouraging discussion?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #128) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:13 am

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In post 767, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:
Infinity 324 wrote:How is he discouraging discussion?
I'm not sure where Gin's going with that, exactly, but playing it safe stifles discussion, as does limiting choices to the popular ones. We see this all the time when people get on others' case over a vanity vote when there are viable wagons.
In post 755, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 754, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 753, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't think scum would want to take such a risk standing out.
Hmm, really? What risk would that be in this particular case?
The popular choices for Rouge Leader have been you and Nero. Voting someone else without an explanation for Rouge Leader like AJ did could lead to unnecessary attention.
In post 757, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 756, Infinity 324 wrote:Not sure how that attention would be a bad thing though. He's already drawing attention to himself with his unorthodox play.
Yes but he's a player I feel that is set in his ways in terms of play style. He can't help it at this point. Voting for Rouge Leader is something he can control.
Consider these. LUV is limiting choices, attributing things to play style instead of motive, and generally discouraging independent thought.

Please note that I'm not at all convinced that the above is alignment-indicative, (I think it deserves some discussion post-game,) but I think that's what Gin is getting at.

Pine
The whole conversation is talking about why LUV townreads AJ, so he wasnt discouraging non-standard choices.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #129) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:14 am

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In post 768, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:post 134, post 261, post 312 are the posts that pinged me from earlier on.

It's the fact that he'll say he doesn't like the discussion at hand but didn't give off an alternative.


like, one can go "Hey I think this conversation is just noisy, lets talk about this instead because I find it to be blah blah."

Do you understand or am I being asinine?

/Gin
I get it yeah. I need to do a little more in depth look into him though including meta.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #130) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:15 am

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In post 769, The Thinker wrote:I'm kidding, but like, I don't see what you're saying. Is my tone off in a scummy way or...?
Yes, it sounds fake.
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Post Post #776 (isolation #131) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:25 am

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I think tunneling on me would be terrible scum play atm.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #132) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:50 am

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Yeah but titus likes to push lynches as scum. Capable, sure. Willing? Probably not.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #133) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:06 am

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In post 779, The Thinker wrote:
In post 770, Desperado wrote:Seemed overly emotional/defensive. It's not an issue that Think hasn't said anything and never was so it looked out of place.
Oh? Interesting.
I don't think I've been either,but what do I know :P
In post 773, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 769, The Thinker wrote:I'm kidding, but like, I don't see what you're saying. Is my tone off in a scummy way or...?
Yes, it sounds fake.
If I had a nickel...

I always get accused of being contrived.
I think it has to do with a combination of my overthingjng of post wordings and self-awareness of my meta and style.

Oh well, so be it!
If you want to scumread me based on that, go for it. I really have no defense lol.
But I've played with you before, and you weren't like this.
In post 780, Heartless wrote:infinity if you were rogue leader would you put pine on the rogue team?
Probably not. I'd probably do me mastin desp or me desp and a scummish/null player.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #134) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:12 am

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Sometimes neighborizer sure used for that, it's easier to pressure them and sort them I guess.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #135) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:15 am

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I thought the powers would be shared by the group, but maybe it's not worth the risk that I'm wrong.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #136) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:09 am

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I like a lot of the places he's been going, I'm pretty sure he's town and I trust his judgement.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #137) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:22 am

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In post 796, Drunken Piper wrote:Infinity, contemplating Heartless for the Leader position,
why should I leave my vote on you, consider this an audition.
Well heartless would be a good vote too, but I think I am a little more clearly town and may be able to organize discussion/cooperation in the pt better.
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Post Post #803 (isolation #138) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:31 am

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Why do you dislike it? I'll definitely listen to people's opinions on who to put in the crew
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Post Post #805 (isolation #139) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:03 am

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What if fire says the crew powers are shared/voted on as a group? Would you still have an issue with scum in the crew?
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Post Post #808 (isolation #140) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:19 am

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Why?
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Post Post #810 (isolation #141) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:33 am

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Good point.
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Post Post #813 (isolation #142) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:00 pm

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: thinker
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Post Post #837 (isolation #143) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:28 pm

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Town: nero, titus, desp, heartless
Nulltown: piper, alban, AJ
Null: pine, mastin, klingon, cakez, aero, gamma
Nullscum: LUV
Scum: molla, thinker

It always gets me paranoid when people talk about how good their scum game is...
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Post Post #839 (isolation #144) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:32 pm

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In post 836, Aeronaut wrote:... Go on?
I thought the point was a good point, and I was wondering the same question he had

Don't know what else you want
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Post Post #840 (isolation #145) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:41 pm

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In post 838, Aeronaut wrote:What?
Ok so:
PP voting Klingon
TTH convincing me PP is scummy

leads me to townread klingon more

Then:
Townreading klingon more
Cakez's scummy stuff

Leads me to want to vote cakez over klingon

Make sense?
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Post Post #843 (isolation #146) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:48 pm

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@mastin Ok I'll look through that thanks
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Post Post #849 (isolation #147) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:06 pm

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In post 845, Aeronaut wrote:at the beginning of the game you were very adamant about not doing that?
Where?
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In post 850, The Thinker wrote:Got caught for it and boom, dead.
You...you survived to endgame there and won in a draw.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #149) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:25 pm

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Ok we get it you're self-metaing
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Post Post #860 (isolation #150) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:31 pm

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Ok but you're going a bit too far defending yourself and not focusing on trying to find scum, which is scumplay. I wanna know who you think is scum and who isn't and why.
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Post Post #861 (isolation #151) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:32 pm

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Ninja'ed basically saying the same thing :)
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Post Post #870 (isolation #152) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:06 pm

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In post 864, BBmolla wrote:infinity are you just scum reading me cause you're mad I don't you rebel leader

like you can admit it if so it's ok
Nope
In post 867, BBmolla wrote:
In post 866, The Thinker wrote:Who is scum BB?

Does Infinity scumreading you ping you as driven be either alignment?
their reads seem garbage as fuck so I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and just assuem they're scum
:roll:
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Bad =/= scum
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I get the feeling he's posting his original thoughts instead of trying to think about how it would look to others. Especially the part about motive hunting, it just seems like not the best approach to appeal to the group.
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Post Post #877 (isolation #155) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:43 am

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Why?
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In post 878, Heartless wrote:i dunno

it just comes off to me as psuedo "helpful"
What did you think about my post right after basically saying the same thing?
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Post Post #882 (isolation #157) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:06 am

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:( bye gamma
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Post Post #885 (isolation #158) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:12 am

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Titus, generally when someone asks me a question, I try to answer it to their satisfaction.
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In post 887, Titus wrote:
In post 885, Infinity 324 wrote:Titus, generally when someone asks me a question, I try to answer it to their satisfaction.
So do I. Your point?
My point is that I don't see how you're getting that I was overly obssesed with satisfying aero in the quote.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #160) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:19 am

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In post 889, Heartless wrote:
In post 880, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 878, Heartless wrote:i dunno

it just comes off to me as psuedo "helpful"
What did you think about my post right after basically saying the same thing?
what about it?

oh... is this the sordid double standards game?

the difference is that yours has a lot more of a "this is what it is" tone as opposed to gin's which had a little more of a cloying tint (subtle) and i didn't read you two the same way before reading those two posts (prejudicial bias. yeah i know, i'm such a dipshit.)
Actually I kind of see that. But still done really think gin is scummy for it.
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Post Post #902 (isolation #161) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:46 am

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In post 874, Infinity 324 wrote:I get the feeling he's posting his original thoughts instead of trying to think about how it would look to others. Especially the part about motive hunting, it just seems like not the best approach to appeal to the group.
And I'm on the thinker
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Post Post #910 (isolation #162) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:17 am

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The post you quoted was in reference to AJ.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #163) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:40 am

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I don't think single-mindedness is a scumtell in general even though it may be for you. There's a reason I'm not scumreading titus. And he said his case on you was a result of motive hunting, while it seems pretty bad, it doesn't seem scum-motivated.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #164) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:28 pm

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In post 917, mastina wrote:
In post 873, SirCakez wrote:
In post 826, mastina wrote:
In post 693, SirCakez wrote:Thinker who is scum?
Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.
Thinker's posting continues to underwhelm. That meta defense was awful.
Yes, exactly my point.
I'm not sure how more obvious my sarcasm could've been in that post, and the fact that you're pretending to have not known it was sarcasm is one of the reasons you're scum.
Wait what?

Why would scum pretend not to notice sarcasm?
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Post Post #971 (isolation #165) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:31 pm

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In post 923, mastina wrote:I'm pretty sure that's our scumteam: SirCakez, Pine, The Thinker, and Mo
How often do you guess scumteams on d1?
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Post Post #972 (isolation #166) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:40 pm

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In post 956, BBmolla wrote:I'm scum cause I'm voting with a lesser scumread and not wanting to vote with my scumread that I'm way way way more confident in?

LMFAO
One of my favorite scum tactics, making it seem like the arguments against you are ridiculous.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #167) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:55 pm

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In post 967, Titus wrote:Why is Aero so high
That, and TWIE
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Post Post #976 (isolation #168) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:02 pm

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No, at the very least it was something that could easily be interpreted as a contradiction.
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Post Post #978 (isolation #169) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:47 pm

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Don't think your reaction was warranted for that
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Post Post #984 (isolation #170) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:16 am

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In post 980, Aj The Epic wrote:Dude, just respond to the post. It points out a legitimate contradiction of you won't vote Heartless rogue leader bcuz me nor infinity because shadetossing but damn you'll follow another scumread on your LYNCH vote. FFS is it really that much to ask that you post more than three short lines?
In post 975, BBmolla wrote:like you're welcome to disagree with me but it's stupid.

I'm not going to refuse voting with all scummyish players but it sure seems like a good fucking idea to not be voting who my top scumread is.

It's stupid.
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #171) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:44 pm

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Cakez feels town
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #172) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:38 pm

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In post 1045, mastina wrote:
In post 967, Titus wrote:Why is Aero so high and Heartless so low?
Because Aero is town and Heartless is still town but town that isn't quite as strong yet!
Why is aero town?
In post 1046, mastina wrote:
In post 970, Infinity 324 wrote:Why would scum pretend not to notice sarcasm?
Because pretending not to notice sarcasm can be convenient for them in lots of ways.
Ok, why in this particular case?
In post 1048, mastina wrote:
In post 973, Infinity 324 wrote:That, and TWIE
Because TWIE replaced Gamma who replaced Indigo who was town.

Also TWIE has towned the thread up just from his entrance alone (well, it's town if you know him anyway--the content he gave is not his scumgame and anyone who knows him, knows it isn't his scumgame), so.
Indigo...did nothing. How was he town?

Stop giving non-answers. Obviously if someone asks you why your townread is so strong, "he's town" is not a legitimate answer.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #173) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:20 am

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Why are molla and LUV town?
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #174) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:28 am

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......Why were they town originally
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #175) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:39 am

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In post 1064, Drunken Piper wrote:what caused this post to be a thing.
what words he spoke, does someone town sing?
It's a gut thing.

But his thoughts are kind of all over the place like town's usually are imo and they seem to be developed organically and not following an agenda.
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #176) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:50 am

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In post 1070, Aeronaut wrote:What do you get out of asking this question?
I wanted to get a sense for how LUV would approach the game and scum and whether a meta read would be accurate.
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #177) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:51 am

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In post 1070, Aeronaut wrote:No, no, it really isn't. Town is ideally spending time pushing people so that they can garner reactions, and if those reactions look genuine, that's when they move on the next player and continue that; If you're a player who sits around on the same player doing nothing to help the gamestate, you're helping nobody.
Not saying that's a good town quality, but in general I find town are less likely to retract individual points. Whole reads, maybe
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #178) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:06 pm

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I like aero's questions and comments; they seem to be productive and a bunch of the same things I was thinking.

I'm a bit worried that heartless is scum given nacho (I think?) talking about how good their scum game was and that they haven't really been obvtown. Then nacho voted them for rogue leader so what?? Also want nacho to explain why he now townreads the thinker.

Pine disappearing is very worrying, but I'd still like to continue my discussion with mastin about that post of theirs that I liked (, wow that was a long time ago). Given mastins history of reading pine wrong, I think it's very likely mastin as scum would continue that pattern whereas mastin as town is more likely to get it right this time. A bus is not out of the question though.

Still want mastin to answer my questions in , even if it isn't right now, at some point that'd be nice :)

Klingon doing nothing other than sheeping mastin is also pretty scummy, though I was starting to like their tone more.

I still need to look over LUV and read that mastin flowchart

Anyway VOTE: pine because something needs to get shaken up here.
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #179) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:08 pm

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I'd be willing to vote someone like piper or nero for rogue leader over heartless if you guys don't want me. But that slot is not super town by any means
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #180) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:29 pm

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I read the flowchart and am now more suspicious of mastin.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #181) » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 pm

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Bleh.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: thinker
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Post Post #1127 (isolation #182) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:07 am

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In post 1125, Infinity 324 wrote:I read the flowchart and am now more suspicious of mastin.
To elaborate on this, mastin seems very calm and confident this game. She does seem to be lost, she's not changing reads a lot, she's not rambling, but she seems to have a good handle on it. Not everything in the flowchart pointed to her!scum, but more of it does than not.
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #183) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:50 am

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Why is no one on when I am :(
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #184) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:39 am

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This fucking sucks

VOTE: pine
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #185) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:42 am

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It's very likely mastin is just pushing this mislynch and going to turn around and say "see I always read pine wrong" and we're playing right into her hands

But pine is still the most likely scum of the major wagons

Heartless, tell us who you're going to put in the rogue crew please. (me me me)
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #186) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:00 am

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In post 947, mastina wrote:I'm quite aware that in the Heartless hydra, the quality of Antihero's scumgame improves exponentially. You might recall I almost got seriously burned by it before. (I ended up with a draw as a serial killer, but that's because the scum let me have the draw; it easily could have been a flat-out scum win.)
This might've been what I remembered. Regardless, point stands.
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #187) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:15 am

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Why do you townread mastin?
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Post Post #1143 (isolation #188) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:36 am

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Ok, interesting.

What do you think of mastin's interactions with me given that I'm apparently her top townread? They seem to be not super friendly and mainly I'm the one talking to her and not the other way around.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #189) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:38 am

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I wanna vote thinker with you but I don't think we can get 5 other people to do it in 3 days.
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #190) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:49 am

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All players, may I have your attention at this time, this is unfortunately not your rogue leader speaking. Please place your votes on a player who has at least 3 other votes on them at this time. Thank you.
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #191) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:54 am

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In post 1147, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 676, Firebringer wrote:Pine-A-Tonics [1] mastina
"There's a healthy bandwagon a cakez but just let me vote this vanity wagon" -Mastina 2017

how does anyone not see the scum motivation in this?

I'll have to review your and Tinas interaction but I am hard scumreading Mastin so....I'd say they were scummy. :lol:
I don't see the scum moviation necessarily in pushing a vanity wagon instead of a bigger wagon, and I certainly don't townread mastin. Explain?

The part about mastins interaction with me was directed at heartless.
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #192) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:55 am

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I would expect a player with mastins charisma to push her strongest scumread all the time, no matter her alignment or how many votes are on that player.
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #193) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:01 am

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I kind feel nacho!town, idk why. And I doubt mastin/nacho/heartless. Maybe mastin/heartless though.
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #194) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:38 am

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In post 1152, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1148, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't see the scum moviation necessarily in pushing a vanity wagon instead of a bigger wagon, and I certainly don't townread mastin. Explain?
ok whats the town motivation? Like I can understand "push your top scum read" but her reasoning is lacking and she's basically strong arming the lynch. You can chalk it up to gut I guess.

Read http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=68747 and tell me if you think Nacho is the same there as here.
man, I don't really wanna read an ISO in a whole other game. But maybe in the night phase or something.
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #195) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:30 am

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Would you rather lynch yourself? Cause I still am not down for AJ and we have 3 days left
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #196) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:42 am

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In post 1159, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Yeah fuck that.

You'd be surprised what can happen in 3 days.

Now if you want to be petty and ask me questions like that, then I'll gladly ignore you and get to work; or you can work with me and remove all that uncomfortable feeling I get when someone says they think I haven't been scummy and then votes "Because deadline."

/Gin
I think you have been scummy, but I would like to work with you. But I want to keep things practical, since no lynch is the worst outcome that can happen. So who do you think we can wagon?
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #197) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:46 am

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In post 1161, Desperado wrote:Infinity, he's right. You're even calling out now that Mastina as scummy and how you might be playing in to her scum plans.

So what's up with that?
Pine is the scummiest viable wagon imo, so I voted pine. Thats all there is to it.
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #198) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:47 am

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In post 1163, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Post 165, 182, 746, 891 of you thinking I'm town and then you vote me out of "shaking things up" and argue that deadline is the reason you advocate a lynch on who you're voting for.

That's suspect as fuck.
Say what you want, but I'd rather lynch town than no one. And you disappearing after being so active definitely dropped you in my reads.
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #199) » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:48 am

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I wasn't defending you adamantly, if you remember I cautiously townread you earlier but was definitely open to the possibility of you being scum when I talked to mastin about it.
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