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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:15 pm

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:22 pm

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Lmfao bro Daylyt is a clown ahaaha
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Post Post #68 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:20 pm

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In post 47, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: the reasoning behind
Prolly cause of that shitty tie






...ok I kinda like it
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Post Post #71 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:22 pm

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In post 69, Alisae wrote:
In post 68, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 47, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: the reasoning behind
Prolly cause of that shitty tie






...ok I kinda like it
If Hanyu likes it I guess I'm forced to like it as well because
OMGAWD ITS HANYU! OMGAWD IT'S SO CUTE, I JUST WANNA TAKE IT HOME!
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Post Post #78 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:25 pm

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Creature wrote:They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.
That's a bit of a reach. Quite a moderate one actually.

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Post Post #123 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:15 pm

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I have a problem with both Debi's logic and people voting Debi for such logic.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:43 pm

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In post 125, Alisae wrote:
In post 123, Zachstralkita wrote:I have a problem with both Debi's logic and people voting Debi for such logic.
You think scum is pushing Debi for lynch bait?

On these type of wagons you will have potential scum and just town who actually believes that is a valid reason to lynch someone

I'm familiar with a few but not a lot of who's in this game.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #7) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:57 pm

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In post 165, Debi wrote:All that I've noticed is he prefers memes and gifs to actual arguments,

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Post Post #172 (isolation #8) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:03 pm

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TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Hey Zach, what's your thoughts on Lil Uzi?

Also if you're looking for someone whose got those good memes...
Refer to my first post.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #9) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:55 pm

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Lets be real votes on Alisae are pretty low effort
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Post Post #183 (isolation #10) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:56 pm

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I'm stating facts everything else is extracurricular and had no bearing on that
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Post Post #496 (isolation #11) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:37 am

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Damn you motherfuckers really didn't waste any time huh...

No @Grey Alisaes reactions are town IMo

You're the one with META tho but from what you've said it sounds kinda half assed

I skimmed but I'll full catch up and come back
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Post Post #604 (isolation #12) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:49 am

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Spoiler:
So, doing this as I go along. Good to see everyone ran up an easy wagon and actually thinks Alisae is scum LMAO.

And whoever says I am WKing because of this probably puts milk before the cereal. You sick fucks. I bet you dont eat the pizza crust either. Get the fuck out my face



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In post 242, Debi wrote:
Why I think Zach is a Scum:
The main reasons behind this, is due to Alisae. I believe that it is very likely for them to be doing a Scum Theater. For example:
'Lets be real votes on Alisae are pretty low effort'
This phrase was likely used in order to subtly reduce Alisae's risks. Zach gave no reasons behind this, nor evidence to support it, instead said 'I'm just stating facts'. What I'm confused about, is why nobody had picked up on this, especially not Alisae. Alisae had shown that he is keen of Zach throughout this current game, which is clear, as explained above. Due to Alisae's response only being 'fair', I believe it is deductible that he is hiding something to do with Zach, whatever it be. Also, due to Alisae's response, anybody reading it, would feel less suspicious of Zach, due to a lot of people TR Alisae. I strongly believe they are both Scum, and that this is a Scum theatre.
FoS Zach
It sounds nice, but no.

The sort of metric you're using to formulate your reads I do not think is applicable.

The logic you're running around with here operates under the assumption that you can discern concrete motives from very ambiguous actions when you have no real knowledge of thought processes of players you're calling out. You write it well but it doesn't make sense when you actually look at what's being said .

You can say I'm scum from a 2-3 post interaction with 1 sentence each because it's easy for you. The reality of it is the conclusions you have drawn are utterly useless IMO. Even omitting your read on me I can say this by looking at your Uzi Vert and Dunn reads.


I don't think that you're scum at this exact point in time because this argument is sort of blind. I think scum would have more tact and I think I'm able to tell the difference between a fabricated post and someone who actually believes what they're saying.

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In post 254, Pine wrote:Yeah, the first 10 pages are pretty much crap. Lots of bullshitting around, some people talking about math and odds and nonsense.

Gin is probably Town, I caught what I think is a towntell.
Creature is looking like scum. Hard to pin down why, but looks...opportunistic? Like I said, hard to say with precision yet.
Debi is new to site but not to the notion of mafia, has some pretty :roll: ideas from other sites that won't work here
Dunno if you've played with Alisae yet, but she's weird and flaky (and I don't mean likely to need a replacement. PEdit: You found one of her :facepalm: things)

My advice is to read and find your own reads. It's not long.

PEdit2: Gin is probably Town. I wouldn't bet the game on it, but until something else tells me I'm wrong, I'm going with it.
Whoa, you're hardcore dude. We're barely an ankle deep into this game and you have the rock solid TR on Gin.

It's not that itself that made me twitch a little bit, it was the fact that you said "I wouldn't bet the game on it."

Yeah no shit, the game's barely started.

~I think gin is being.. ok? like he's acting like a dragonfly. but i havent played with gin solo . His tie is still sort of cool but now looking at it more it's a bit too bold.
In post 279, rb wrote:Can we just lynch alisae or gin already so that we can be rewarded with that warm fuzzy feeling town gets when someone flips red. Ty
I know how magnificent your reads are but I think you're bullshitting here. Yo ass is gonna get
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In post 285, Pine wrote:It isn't real.

Rb, I could go for a lynch on Alisae.

VOTE: Alisae

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In post 316, rb wrote:the only acceptable votes for today are Grey, Alisae, Gin
Comfy with lynching this, I sense that faux powertown act you're trying to put on. It's not gonna work.

The one time I seen town rb he was nothing short of god but this rb is a mere impostor.

In post 326, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: This feels really artificial. When I thought I got shot, my heart dropped and was dumbfounded. With Alisae showing strong emotions like the cry faces and stop "budding me," I'd expect more of a brash response but this feels forced.
Why do people judge things like this?

@Dunn 415 I see you get turned on when people mention you in the ISO, huh? vroom vroom
In post 429, Dunnstral wrote:Really should've edited out that video, keeps giving Zach that satisfaction
You don't want to get hit with these bars

@GIN's vote on RB: YES.

~I get the feeling Grey asks some of his questions just to ask them...

In post 499, Creature wrote:rb
Alisae
ssbm_Kyouko

TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Lil Uzi Vert

Gamma Emerald
Zachstralkita
Creature

drealmerz7
Ircher
Pine
Human Sequencer
-Grey-
Wraith

SlickDilinger
Debi

EchoVision
Dunnstral
All Alone
In post 501, Creature wrote:I'm fine with the most of the unstriked, just don't push the striked.

I mean, I'm fine with voting Pine with you but that's a really shitty reads list. I feel like you made it up just to make up a reads list lol. This man thinks rb is town LMFAO
In post 513, Human Sequencer wrote:rb - idk
Alisae - scummy af
ssbm_Kyouko - townlean, post moar
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - idk
Lil Uzi Vert - town
Gamma Emerald - post moar, likely flake slot tbh
Zachstralkita - literally nothing
Creature - scummy
drealmerz7 - lol
Ircher - towny
Pine - towny kinda
Human Sequencer - lol
-Grey- - idk
Wraith - scummy af
SlickDilinger - great post my dude
Debi - town af
EchoVision - scummy
Dunnstral - idk can't ever read dunn fuck you
All Alone - lol

Feel free to ask my reasoning on any of these, if I miss it, ask again.
Nevermind.. I found a worse one.

FTR I don't firmly believe either of HS/Creature is scum but I think Creature is more likely to be scum than HS.



~I like HS 556


Holy fuck guys every time i hit preview theres a new fucking page

Anyways

VOTE: RB

Cool with Pine as well. I want to see where HS vs Creature plays out

and for the love of fuck stop voting easy to spot lynch bait
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Post Post #612 (isolation #13) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:01 am

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In post 606, Pine wrote:I don't think Alisae is Town lynch bait. I think she's genuinely scum who's fucking up due to inexperience. Not all easy lynches are bad. Stop trying to make "easy=Town" a Truism, it just isn't.
Oh trust me, I know you don't think that.

I'm not making it a truism. It's just blatantly true here.

And the equation is not easy=Town for me.

It is Alisae in this game=Town
-Grey- wrote:
In post 604, Zachstralkita wrote:~I get the feeling Grey asks some of his questions just to ask them...
Tell me more about my questions.

You probed the shit out of Alisae and up to this point I'm not sure what you did with that information. Your vote remains there. That's not to say that whatever answer he gave you should have changed your vote, it's to say that you should have considered something based on new info you received if your questions were genuine. I don't think you considered. I seriously think you went "THOSE WERE THE SCUM RESPONSES I WAS LOOKING FOR!"


That's exactly what I got out of that. But I cannot tell how decisive it actually is because that's all I have for you. So I have not made a determination yet.

Ircher wrote:Why scum? Why not lynchbait?

And maybe Alisae is scum, but you cannot tell whether or not a lynchbait is scum within 36 hours of a game starting. Lynchbait players are generally bad D1 lynches cuz most of the time, they end up as misunderstood town who played in a way that people associate w/ scum.
People always vote lynchbait then blame them the day after for being lynchbait like how about you blame yourself for picking a shitty fucking lynch since you're so great...
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Post Post #614 (isolation #14) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:04 am

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I wasnt going at you lol
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Post Post #617 (isolation #15) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:12 am

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Ircher wrote:
In post 614, Zachstralkita wrote:I wasnt going at you lol
I still don't understand the last sentence though. Could you please rephrase so it is clearer? (Particularly the part starting with "yourself..."
It was a general statement I was quoting you bc I agreed with u

Yourself referring to town who die hard votes lynchbait then takes no responsibility for that lynch

-Grey- wrote:
In post 612, Zachstralkita wrote:You probed the shit out of Alisae and up to this point I'm not sure what you did with that information. Your vote remains there. That's not to say that whatever answer he gave you should have changed your vote, it's to say that you should have considered something based on new info you received if your questions were genuine. I don't think you considered. I seriously think you went "THOSE WERE THE SCUM RESPONSES I WAS LOOKING FOR!"
If that's what "I went", quote where I said that.

Alisae is in no danger of being lynched. I'll move my vote when I see fit.
Really weird way to respond to my post BRO, my point was your actions indicated that mindset to me and you're getting all DEFENSIVE and stuff pal are there any drugs in the vehicle? Do you consent to a search? Am I being detained?


How about I go get the k9s

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Post Post #618 (isolation #16) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:12 am

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Damn it I wish Transcend hadnt changed his avi
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Post Post #653 (isolation #17) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:39 am

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I'd prefer to lynch rb before Pine
In post 623, Creature wrote:tbh I doubt mhsmith0 would even make his game multiball, I still think that multiball discussion is useless.
In post 624, Creature wrote:I think it's just 14v4v1

Why are you making needlessly hasty assumptions like this based off of what you think? The truth is we really have no idea as to what the setup is is and guesses steer us more in the wrong direction than questions do. Nothing wrong with entertaining the thought of discussion



In post 642, Human Sequencer wrote:Alisae is literally claiming lynchbait and using it as a bargaining chip.
Does that recontextualize any of her earlier posts as 'blatantly bad scum' to anybody else, instead of 'dodgy new town'?
It doesn't to me, because I've known it was blatantly bad scum since the beginning of eternity.
I dont think this is a sensibl e statement. You are confirmation biasing and you are also saying youve known it was scum since the beginning of eternity which implies you haven't attetmpted to make progression. You've had a fixed read and approach new information a fixed way. It blatantly shows in your portrayal of the scum!Pine case, which crystal clear looks like you just assumed Alisae's case was invalid from the start.

If I'm wrong u fill in the blanks for me then.

Your approaches to other people have been good as in I can see you're trying to deliberate motives, which is why I don't think you're scum but thinking like that is really bad for town because your perspective is enabling the validation of this mindless lynch.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #18) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:52 am

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Dude rb is so scum.

I captured the essence of it in my spoiler post. Along with Pine, No effort has been made to find scum. Attempting to portray the Alisae lynch as blatant obvious scum with a facade of false confidence that normally comes from town, but cannot be replicated genuinely as scum.

Cue others riding your lynch train. Cue arguments from both sides as well as you. It's like a smoke screen is up too much static and noise for it to be made tangible. But I feel it is there.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #19) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:52 am

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@Alisae
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Post Post #660 (isolation #20) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:59 am

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Ya I forgot to mention how I feel about his read on Gin. I don't think it has a real base to it.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #21) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:36 am

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rb wrote:Zachstralkita is TOWMn-nNNNN
You can't buy me with a TR, who do you think I am, Dunnstral?
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Post Post #692 (isolation #22) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:54 am

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In post 686, rb wrote:Lol the way people are reacting to Gin makes it obvious he is scum

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Post Post #703 (isolation #23) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:17 pm

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Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It should've been a staple like the MJ crying face but people like to kill nice things.

For Zach:


LMFAOOOOOOOO











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Post Post #715 (isolation #24) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:12 pm

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What's that? Dunn with another shit wagon?
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Post Post #780 (isolation #25) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:01 am

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In post 752, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 751, SlickDilinger wrote:VOTE: drealmerz7
Any thoughts on some of the active players you'd like to share?

I'd like to know if he has any thoughts


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Post Post #785 (isolation #26) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:55 am

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In post 782, Debi wrote:First of all, I'd like to apologize for my lack of inputs in the latest 18 or so pages, I've had some net issues with reloading new posts, and similar problems.

Anwyays, if its alright, can you explain why you all think Zachstalkita is town? To be honest, I'm getting more of a scum vibe from him, compared to town at least. Also can you explain why you think Human Sequencer is Scum, I'm getting a TR of him.
You didn't reply to what I said about your previous post tho
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Post Post #786 (isolation #27) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:56 am

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A better way to say that would be " please reply to my post about your previous post and see if what I said wasn't true"
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Post Post #788 (isolation #28) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:32 am

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Ya I have this thing I do where I oppose shitty lynches, I get scrutinized for it sometimes
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Post Post #814 (isolation #29) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:20 am

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So stop gettin on camera sayin u poppin them guns
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Post Post #817 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:32 am

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That's why his name is
All Alone
cause he makes his votes All Alone with no content
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Post Post #821 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:59 am

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I didn't intend to promote a wagon, he has a cat in his avatar and we should spare him for now



we have rbs and Pines to lynch
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Post Post #826 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:21 pm

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Alisae wrote:
In post 821, Zachstralkita wrote:I didn't intend to promote a wagon, he has a cat in his avatar and we should spare him for now

we have rbs and Pines to lynch
I want to lynch Pine too, don't get me wrong, but why are you against a pressure wagon?

I'm not against pressure.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:21 pm

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In post 839, Ircher wrote:
In post 730, drealmerz7 wrote:Hey, all! I'm excited and glad to be here (mhsmith game, #200 w/19players
, many of which I'm glad to be playing with - fuckyes!)

I'm not lurking, I simply haven't read but a few pages yet, decided to make a post. I'm only going to read this game when I have over an hour to dedicate soley to it (unless less is necessary to be caught up and present, but at least until I'm caught up and present, I'm not half-assing this game from the start and then picking up pieces later. I'm doing it right, from the go, and I'm slightly behind, so bear with me.)

*know* that I will be giving this game my A-game 100% - this means multiple word documents with lots of notes and my own personal vote-tracking method (if at any time you wish to see my vote-trackings, just ask and I'll post them - warning, they're kind of messy and take a little understanding on how to read, but it works for me and I'm totally willing to share for anyone who wants to see)

I very much look forward into getting into it.

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I think it was nice how he made a neat polite introduction and said how excited he was to be playing with us!
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Post Post #848 (isolation #34) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:26 pm

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If true stop playing so half assed

If I can treat you and Pine as interchangeable characters there's something wrong
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Post Post #849 (isolation #35) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:28 pm

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In post 845, rb wrote:except drealmerz as town has the personality of an angry mule

so he's scum

No the issue was that you made that determination of not only one post, but his only and first post in the game.


Then acted like it was actually the intelligent thing to do.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:44 pm

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VOTE: Pine
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Post Post #884 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:33 pm

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In post 862, rb wrote:
In post 849, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 845, rb wrote:except drealmerz as town has the personality of an angry mule

so he's scum

No the issue was that you made that determination of not only one post, but his only and first post in the game.


Then acted like it was actually the intelligent thing to do.
you don't need 2700000 posts to determine if someone's personality is congruent with their scum or town one

u need at least more than one to determine if they are scum though smart guy

Metas can be altered which is why I don't care for them a lot but cementing that read based off 1 post is a bit much..

You're the IC, you hold too much influence to be doing simple shit

For actual constructive discussion do you think your meta is really solid in this particular case? IE were in a large normal is it not rational to think he threw a BUOY post in a SEA of posts to announce his presence and intentions?

i think that's more sensible than going "oop you slipped and fell on this scum meta UP YORU ASS"

But.. I AM AWARE.. you have good reads.. I just think no one is infallible and even good good town players can make blatantly wrong reads
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In post 848, Zachstralkita wrote:If true stop playing so half assed

If I can treat you and Pine as interchangeable characters there's something wrong
well tbh for a player like me there's no other way to play as Innocent Child except as lynchbait to then have your innocence announced. if i put effort in as town i become universally townread and unlynchable, and so the innocent child role becomes useless.

in more than 15 town games i've lived past day2 _ONCE_ in that entire time so i just don't ever bank on myself living long enough to use powers in some crafty way. i have to do something to make it somehow useful, and this at least built up some WaGoNZ and got a lot of discussion going.

and now i will find teh_scumZZ



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Post Post #887 (isolation #38) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:35 pm

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When I wave the K passa its no espanol

@Lil Uzi bars
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Post Post #918 (isolation #39) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:50 pm

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Hey guys it's raining outside. I like rain

I would like to preface this by saying you simple simon motherfuckers that better not be a real wagon.

In post 898, Ircher wrote: VOTE:
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Post Post #926 (isolation #40) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:54 pm

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Leave my mans AA alone, I copped some fire catnip off him
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Post Post #969 (isolation #41) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:25 pm

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I hate you all.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #42) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:29 pm

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Alisae wrote:For wagoning no content AA?
Yea theres better lynches and you are enabling low effort votes votes that are easy for scum to make and hide in and the rationale that town players use for this low effort lynch will act as subterfuge for said scum players

risk vs reward
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Post Post #977 (isolation #43) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:32 pm

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In post 974, Alisae wrote:
In post 972, Zachstralkita wrote:
Alisae wrote:For wagoning no content AA?
Yea theres better lynches and you are enabling low effort votes votes that are easy for scum to make and hide in and the rationale that town players use for this low effort lynch will act as subterfuge for said scum players

risk vs reward
Good shit.
But what if.
AA flips scum.
Then I take the club punishment.
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Post Post #980 (isolation #44) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:38 pm

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you just noticed that?
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Post Post #982 (isolation #45) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:45 pm

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yea x is wavy man, lowkey legend
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Post Post #983 (isolation #46) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:45 pm

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South FL been making waves
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Post Post #989 (isolation #47) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:57 pm

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In post 985, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I wanted to check him out but then I heard he beat up his ex or something and than I just lost interest. Might do it if he's on the 2017 XXL list though.

hes not but his boy ski mask the slump god is. at least twitter says so.

XXL trash anyway


But yeah apparently he didn't do it and his ex claimed injuries that she actually didn't have. IDK tho I wasn't there

rb wrote:zach is town which is cool because i like zach and want him to be town <3

Your display of affection has me questioning my convictions

humans are not nice to me
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #48) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:42 am

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So I'm the only one that didn't get a pun in my name huh? You fuck

In post 1005, Dunnstral wrote:I didn't like gin calling everyone town but maybe that's just a personal thing

Zach, why is hs town?
I think he's actually trying to investigate things even though I may not agree with things he says there is a definite finding stuff out motive there
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #49) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:58 pm

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How can you guys dislike AA? These recent posts are A1.
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Post Post #1042 (isolation #50) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:00 pm

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What do YOU expect tho?
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #51) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:26 pm

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Why are you fine with lynching drealmerz
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #52) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:55 pm

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In post 1049, Alisae wrote:^Scum pushing lynchbait^
Does your opinion change if we ignore his push on you?
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #53) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:01 am

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In post 1061, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1051, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1049, Alisae wrote:^Scum pushing lynchbait^
Does your opinion change if we ignore his push on you?
Could you explain the purpose of this question a bit more for me? Something feels odd about it and I'm trying to figure out if it's just me being silly.
Alisae strikes me as the type of person that is fine with scumreading those who scumread him, regardless of the merit their posts may actually have. It seems evident with drealmerz, that's why I asked.
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #54) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:51 am

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In post 1088, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1061, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1051, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1049, Alisae wrote:^Scum pushing lynchbait^
Does your opinion change if we ignore his push on you?
Could you explain the purpose of this question a bit more for me? Something feels odd about it and I'm trying to figure out if it's just me being silly.
Alisae strikes me as the type of person that is fine with scumreading those who scumread him, regardless of the merit their posts may actually have. It seems evident with drealmerz, that's why I asked.

To clarify here, I feel like Alisae does not value whatever actual valid content they may have in light of the scumread on him and possibly does not get that a perspective difference and observing of the facts differently could cause someone to scumread him, opting to believe that only scum would push blatant town like he is. It's partially why I townread him.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #55) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:26 pm

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VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #56) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:59 pm

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It won't be a drink with ice when I throw Gin on the rocks.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #57) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:25 pm

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In post 1176, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:post 1160 through post 1163 is nothing short of a joke in this stage.

No, your fake townposting can no longer be hidden.
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Post Post #1188 (isolation #58) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:35 pm

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TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1178, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1176, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:post 1160 through post 1163 is nothing short of a joke in this stage.

No, your fake townposting can no longer be hidden.
Expand on this

I mean, you've done a good job of concealing yourself so far. I'll give you that.
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #59) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:40 pm

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TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I have literally no idea what you mean by that
Well as either alignment you'd have more than "literally no idea".



But since you're scum you feel compelled to act innocent and feign ignorance, unable to present the innocence portrayed naturally by real innocents. In a sense.
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Post Post #1194 (isolation #60) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:22 pm

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In post 1192, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:You are literally being asinine if you can't propel your argument forward when asked a simple question.

Grow the fuck up and stop thinking people are mind readers and give context so people can actually follow what you're thinking.

I've ignored your slot because I saw you and Pine as opposing forces and was against Pine, but that's pretty narrow-minded.

Actually analyzing you leads to the conclusion that you don't really care to find scum.

If we refer to when you start making votes, it really sucks. You mention Wraith in #241 with a vote, label his push opportunistic, but do not do anything else with it.

Interestingly enough, you don't really interact with Wraith after that. But his posts must have been good, because you've changed your stance to a townread as of late. I should think you'd have.. one or two direct interactions with him between point A and point B... but none at all. "I like [x player]" is really convenient. Really, really convenient.

Your next vote is on Alisae. I've illustrated prior why this wagon is shit and I can take all the things that I said about Pine and rb and apply them to your push without doing unnecessary leg work here.

However your presence on this wagon is important because of its dynamic.

You have your town pushing Alisae because he's lynchbait. You have sensible people defending Alisae because we can see he's lynchbait. You have those who are uncertain. You have those who say we can do without him. Then you have the scum who can just as easily join the wagon and not be differentiated from town because the arguments to lynch said lynchbait are the same simple bullshit reasons, but if you say them with enough conviction like you do, no one is going to look at you twice. Town is easily distracted. They've other shiny things they can focus their attention on.

However looking at your arguments with him, you've managed to craftily misrepresent everything he says in response to you to make him look bad, when all this tells us is you don't care about new information because you have a fixed read or because it doesn't matter to you because all you need is something to push.

Your votes change and stuff and ...eh.. I'm inclined to agree with AA about your reads.

Speaking of AA, your approach to him was entirely plastic.
In post 1089, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: If I'm being honest, I feel like I'm starting to tunnel you and Im actually going to agree that any further arguing is arguing for the sake of it. Sorry not sorry but I can't get a full read on you based on your opinion of just one player

But somehow you can get a scumread on Slick based on his opinion of.... no players...? Your vote there was terrible. Your vote's still there. It's terrible. This statement is as well.

Anyone can ask questions. Scum does it a lot. It doesn't really mean anything because there's always something to ask about.

All your scumhunting has been the jack of all trades, master of none sort. It takes up space, looks good, but at large accomplishes nothing and town can siphon nothing from your efforts because it's all for show.


When pushed by or negatively engaged with anyone, you turn to a hardass as if you can strong-arm your way out of every conceivable situation. It can only take you so far.
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #61) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:31 pm

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since rb flipped IC you've been
very
quiet about his scumread on you. (It's still there)












s/o mhs by the way, that has to be an assload of work to link the fucking votes to where they actually happened
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #62) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:05 pm

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In post 1203, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:

If you say I'm still pushing for an Alisae lynch, that's a strawman argument. Nice paragraph but it crumbles if you're accusing me of still pushing her.

Not remotely what I said at all, can't fault you for trying though.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
The difference between AA and Slick is quite simple. One is putting in leg work and AA's arguments are justifiable while Slick has admitted to not wanting to contribute or put in his input. That's a scum claim in my book.
Misrep. You have simply taken Slick's 1065 and made it fit your narrative.

When you say he's admitted to "not wanting to contribute or put in his input" you've conveniently left out the part where he says he's absent because he feels there are stronger personalities scum hunting.

It's a misrep of his intentions. We have no way of knowing if they're malicious or not but you've portrayed them as such by default, which is a simple generalization.
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #63) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:39 pm

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In post 1205, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1204, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1203, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:

If you say I'm still pushing for an Alisae lynch, that's a strawman argument. Nice paragraph but it crumbles if you're accusing me of still pushing her.

Not remotely what I said at all, can't fault you for trying though.
In post 1194, Zachstralkita wrote:You have your town pushing Alisae because he's lynchbait. You have sensible people defending Alisae because we can see he's lynchbait. You have those who are uncertain. You have those who say we can do without him. Then you have the scum who can just as easily join the wagon and not be differentiated from town because the arguments to lynch said lynchbait are the same simple bullshit reasons,
but if you say them with enough conviction like you do
, no one is going to look at you twice. Town is easily distracted. They've other shiny things they can focus their attention on.

You just accused me here. Also tell me this, why would I 180 my read on Alisae when she's easy to lynch if I was scum? the best way I can get you to understand my read on Alisae is to think of Creeps from the Hunger Games.

What is the benefit, as scum, does one get from defending such an easy lynch?
No, you said I accused you of still pushing an Alisae lynch.


And I did not do that. I talked about your votes and when I talked about the Alisae vote I talked about the Alisae wagon.

I've already answered your second question. Town defend lynches like that the same way. It's simple.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: When you say he's admitted to "not wanting to contribute or put in his input" you've conveniently left out the part where he says he's absent because he feels there are stronger personalities scum hunting.

It's a misrep of his intentions. We have no way of knowing if they're malicious or not but you've portrayed them as such by default, which is a simple generalization.
In post 1155, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Please defend a town!Slick saying the bolded. You have a huge problem with me with the bolded:
In post 1194, Zachstralkita wrote:
All your scumhunting
has been the jack of all trades, master of none sort. It takes up space, looks good, but at large
accomplishes nothing
and
town can siphon nothing from your efforts
because it's all for show.
So if you have a problem with a player not accomplishing anything, then it would be hypocritical to say Slick was town for doing nothing.

It would again be hypocritical to say you're voting me because town can get nothing from my posts but not accuse Slick of not having anything "town can siphon from [his] efforts"

It's very disingenuous to imply that I should be applying the same argument to that slot as I am to yours. Anyone can see why.

The only purpose it serves you to do something like that is to detract from my argument and not actually address it, which is what you've attempted to do here.

For one, I'm fine with him lurking at the moment because I don't believe he intends to cause harm and we have bigger fish to fry. There's no real reason for me to have to judge his slot the same as your slot considering the stark differences both of you have and the way the gamestate has progressed.

A lurker lynch Day 1 of all places is piss poor. We have so much more shit to go off of.

You're only using this as a pivotal point of your argument because you're trying to discredit me.


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TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Actually, I really love this question. Tell me the scum motivation in wanting everyone to contribute?
Didn't say there was scum motivation in wanting everyone to contribute.

There's scum motivation in you taking what Slick said and grossly misrepresenting it then jumping to an argument about my reasoning.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Also tell me the pro-town agenda with allowing lurkers to continue playing throughout the game?
This game is barely off the ground. There's no need to discuss this far into the future. All you're really doing is running around.

The rest of your post has no merit. I didn't make any catch-all statements about lurkers. I'm talking about one person specifically and the circumstances surrounding him.

You're trying to simplify and broaden my argument in the hopes that people reading won't see you talking about things that I'm not saying at all.
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #64) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:51 pm

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In post 1210, Zachstralkita wrote:
I've already answered your second question. Town defend lynches like that the same way. It's simple.

I'll explain this more before you misrep me. It benefits scum because they don't get scrutinized for using the same shit logic town does when they push lynchbait.

You're not carrying out a very constructive argument at all, you know. I can go through how exactly that is if you want me to.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: Let me tell you exactly why, as scum, lurkers are your best friend. It's because those slots don't do anything, and when it gets close to the middle-end game, you can easily slam lurkers for mislynches because they just don't defend well or slow play to hide under the radar while TvT argue all game.

The best strategy in a large is to kill the loudest voices and leave the quietest alive. When town is full of quiet people, the scum voice is strong and town won't be able to communicate effectively to figure out the truth and bam you have a win.

I honestly don't see any logical reasoning as to the benefit of allowing people to just be part of the game and spectate. You give them a free pass because they don't contribute and that's just horse shit reasoning for any defense on a player.
This second part of your post is just noise. The last part is your actual argument. And I've responded to that above.

Everything else is just literal static. False pretense of talking about theory that you've attached to your bogus argument. Maybe some people will see you as town because of it but not the right ones.
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Post Post #1212 (isolation #65) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:11 pm

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Preferring a lurker lynch to players who've posted on Day 1 no less, means you can't scumhunt or you prefer to aid scum.

The argument that lurkers help scum can hardly be applied here when you look at the ratio of posting players to lurking players and the content and influence of posting players.

Regardless of how much merit it actually has, the truth is that argument is not relative to this gamestate at the moment. Thus you are only using it because my argument must be discredited and credibility removed from me for you to succeed here.

You've had plenty of chances to respond to 1194 and none of them have been very flattering.

What's worse is rather than attempting to explain your supposed town motivations and thought processes behind most of what I mentioned in that post your response is immediately to try and find fault with and attack my statements because they endanger you. It's very, very scummy. Portraying Slick's statement the way you want it to look so you can justify your vote there is also scummy. I had to say it again.

- What I said about Alisae either was completely misunderstood or you threw it over your head as to avoid engaging it, because what you responded to was not my argument. The 180 isn't really important. Your engagements with him at the time tell me everything I really need to know.


As I said before in 1195, since rb has been confirmed innocent child you have not engaged him about his SR on you. Your only method of defense IS to attack your opponent, verbally spar with and present faulty arguments because you cannot defend yourself with your towniness. But now he is clear. So you can't attack him and if he were to explain you couldn't make these runaround arguments and misrepresent what he said and talk about other things. You can't do anything of that nature that you would normally do because it's not going to work so you just duck it entirely.

What's interesting is that one would assume you'd at least try to level with that read if you were town. Find out what prompted it and explain why and see if that reconciles anything. Our IC, no less. Beacon of hope for the town. I'd want him to see sense if I was town and he hard scumread me. You know, at least attempt to convince him to stop wasting his fucking time being that he's the IC and all.. and he has all that sway over the town..... and stuff...

Nope, radio silence. That's interesting.

He even said it again recently that you're scum. Still no engagement? But you can engage me.

I don't think that it's one of those things that will go away if you just ignore it... but whatever works for you.
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #66) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:35 pm

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I responded to what you said.

The vote on Slick was scummy. Your portrayal of what he said was what made it scummy. I went over this already.

You said he " didn't want to contribute." Implying he deliberately chose to act this way with the end goal of remaining stagnant and not providing information to the town.

Except he said he CHOSE not to to so because he felt other, stronger players were doing a lot of scumhunting and decided to sit back. Meaning you misrepresented him to justify your vote. He finishes said post with a comment on drealmerz, who is another lurker which is admittedly interesting.

He also did not say his non participation was for an indefinite period of time.

At best your vote here is premature hasty judgement on a slot who's been lurking, much like other votes, and not going to accomplish a whole lot.

At worst it's scum. Which is what I've went with here.


What I responded to in that post was... what you said about xhxhfdkhfdlhkdhn hypocritical. I didn't imply that the Slick vote wasn't scummy.
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Failure to plan is planning for failure mate, remember the random midget lynch? That's exactly why I hate lurkers as town because they're so easy late game. I'd rather slots turn from non-lurkers into active ones so we have opinions to go off of.
Argument you're making is not applicable

As for the Alisae wagon discussion, the need was not to "try to blend in there". You passively do. All you have to do is vote lynchbait for [reasons lynchbait is lynchbait here]

Your early engagement with him was largely fixed and produced nothing. You were not trying to find out his alignment. You were taking everything he said and using it as more fuel for your push on him.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I've shown a consistent theme of voting lurkers until they contribute for the main purpose that I can gain reads on them.

First Creature, bam now he's hella active and I stopped pushing it.

Second Gamma IIRC and once he's started posting, I felt better about his slot.

Now I'm at Slick and once he starts posting, I'll be able to get a read on him and go further from there.

The difference between you and I's ideologies might be the fact that you're focused on a select group of people and I prefer having information about every slot even if it's just D1.
You skipped over AA. Where he appeared, made some good posts and you retreated back because you "couldn't get a read on him".
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #67) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:18 am

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In post 1219, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I vote creature for saying he will lurk till D3 and Zach doesn't say a word.

I vote Gamma because he hasn't posted at all in the game and Zach doesn't say a word at all.

I vote AA and he doesn't say anything at all.

I vote Slick and now I deserve a vote. I'm quoting this post in twilight if I do end up being D1's lynch because I swear to god if that ain't a possibility for a chainsaw then I'm sorry but I don't know what it.

I don't find there to be any consistency to accuse me of scum when I voted a lurker and haven't said anything about the other lurkers I have voted at the time I did it.

This has probably been said about 3 times, but your justification and defense of that vote was the reason you are scummy for the Slick vote. Not the vote itself.

So nothing of what you just said applies.

You've again misrepresented my argument. Your continued underhanded obstructive approach to this discussion convinces me you are scum even more.

Let's reverse roles. Whatever you say to me next, I will find a way to portray it inaccurately and then argue against that.
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #68) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:19 am

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Oh look it's another shitty drealmerz wagon
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #69) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:44 am

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In post 1320, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:@Zach, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction

Gravity was a theory invented by the communists. Everyone knows climate change isn't real.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #70) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:56 am

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CREATURE say it to my face
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #71) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:16 am

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Creature been teleporting around this game like Nightcrawler.
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #72) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:21 am

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Creature wrote:I posted way more than you and I posted things way more reckless here than you ever did in your MS history.
Oh you think you made it dummy

You don't think the gang is hungry

To K(ave) your roof in with two 10s WHO NEED CHANGE FOR 20
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #73) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:31 am

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Debi, updated reads please if you will
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #74) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:47 pm

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Creature's activity based read on me is a bit lacking in thought.

I thought people didn't like when I posted like a coked up baby spider monkey.. so I try to not be as hyper nowadays
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #75) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:55 pm

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Gin is scum dude
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #76) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:38 am

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Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1422, Zachstralkita wrote:Gin is scum dude
Thinking

Walk me through his posting - and you don't think he's been a bit towny recently?
No wtf

Even if he has appeared as such that doesn't change the fact that our argument came to a standstill because he literally only kept generalizing my argument and misrepping my stances
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Post Post #1435 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:19 am

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In post 1430, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Gin has definitely been towny lately
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In post 1430, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Gin has definitely been towny lately

This. Gin's pretty obvtown now.
RB, walk me through your Gin scumread?


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Post Post #1438 (isolation #78) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:28 am

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drealmerz wagon is ew... shame on rb


Human Sequencer wrote:Are you Zachstralkita or Lil Uzi Vert? I'm getting confused.

Did he use that gif already ?
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #79) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:30 am

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drealmerz7 forgive them for they don't know right from wrong :cry:
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #80) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:38 am

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Nah, it was just a shitty joke.
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Zachstralkita wrote: The rest of your post has no merit. I didn't make any catch-all statements about lurkers. I'm talking about one person specifically and the circumstances surrounding him.

You're trying to simplify and broaden my argument in the hopes that people reading won't see you talking about things that I'm not saying at all.
I don't classify drealmerz as a lurker btw
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Post Post #1444 (isolation #81) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:42 am

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Didn't quote the important part of that post but lurker lynches are dumb at this point in Day 1 game state


They are copping out and helping scum tbh on day 1
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #82) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:14 am

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You guys are reaching for the stars with this one smh
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #83) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:16 pm

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one would think scum!drealmerz would opt to provide a substantial defense (i.e. one that might actually sway you) if self-preservation was valued

town drealmerz is more likely
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Post Post #1628 (isolation #84) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:17 pm

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this is not "too scum to be scum" it's "we're smart enough to realize this isn't scum"
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Post Post #1640 (isolation #85) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:50 pm

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In post 1629, Alisae wrote:
In post 1627, Zachstralkita wrote:one would think scum!drealmerz would opt to provide a substantial defense (i.e. one that might actually sway you) if self-preservation was valued

town drealmerz is more likely
I can WIFOM this all fucking day.

I can do nothing if you should happen to lynch a townie, except be upset that it could have been prevented with less confbias and more forethought.

Not to mention dreal scumreads you. I feel comfortable saying that exerts some sort of influence on your read on him
Dunnstral wrote:Hey zach buddy, why did you ignore me when I asked about gin
I responded to what you said.

I'm not going to "walk through his posting", if you refer to our argument his actions and responses cement him as scum



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Post Post #1815 (isolation #86) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:23 am

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What dreal just said is right, you guys are wildin
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #87) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:29 am

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It would certainly be easier to SR everyone that opposes my SR's lynch, but I don't see that as a viable solution unfortunately.
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Post Post #1827 (isolation #88) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:35 am

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In post 1820, Human Sequencer wrote:lmoa
zach, plz show me the posts you think are more likely to come from towndreamer than scumdreamer?

Almost all of them in this scenario


It boggles me how shitty lynches can be pushed with such certainty given the vast amount of information present in the gamestate, even past all the noise - solidifies either incompetent town, competent scum or both
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #89) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:39 am

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Sorry I doubt scumdrealmerz defense here is to tell you guys you're playing like shit

The more likely option is you're playing like shit


Going for lynches such as slick and drealmerz on this specific day one is fucking awful imo



If you need me to spell it out for you you're doing a couple of things wrong and it's laughable you're assuming I'm doing something wrong in providing my simple towncase for him , or rather, "why this is a shitty lynch case"
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #90) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:40 am

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In post 1832, Titus wrote:
In post 1831, drealmerz7 wrote:creature: "well we're closing in on 100 pages but, I really don't see anything scummy in any of it soooo, let's just lynch someone for kicks"
Another misrep like that, I will vote you.
Have you followed Creature's posts prior to your sub in


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Post Post #1841 (isolation #91) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:45 am

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Titus wrote:No


I would describe creatures votes of being similar to how drealmerz described because some of his reads I feel are not backed substantially and I've seen pursuing of nonchalant carefree votes
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In post 1833, Zachstralkita wrote:Going for lynches such as slick and drealmerz on this specific day one is fucking awful imo
He's saying we should go for them because "it's info"
Here on d1 I'm using information to find lynches not low information lynches to find information


Human Sequencer wrote:yo creature plz tell titus to vote dreamer for me bruv

@zach
i really don't think dreamer is town here. all of my other scumreads have fallen apart and turned into 'probably town' upon a re-read or upon interacting with them more, but dreamer jsut gets worse and worse. maybe i'm wildly misunderstanding his personality here or something. i also never went for slick, heads up. pretty strong tr on that slot.

I still placed you in that collective group of people who are doing those type of lynches


Ah yes you have a tR on gin.... explains your radical thought processes
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #92) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:51 am

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In post 1844, Human Sequencer wrote:Zach i really don't wanna be written off as a shitty player to you because you seem pretty onball, please tell me like i'm a complete pants-on-head dullard how dreamer is town and/or how gin is scum and I promise you i'll listen to what you have to say and take it on-board

I am not writing you off as a shitty player. I'm saying you have a shit read or two and to have a shit read or two the prerequisite is to have a wonky thought process relating to that read, at least I feel so. Note that I townread you and don't think you're stupid otherwise our conversations would be vastly different


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Post Post #1854 (isolation #93) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:59 am

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@HS In my ISO there's a couple posts saying how gin is scum coupled with our major interaction. I should pull a you on you and ask you to tell me how on earth Gin twisting, misrepresenting, and straw manning my words comes from town. The last words on the subject were by me because the argument has come to a standstill. I see Gin engaging others on their reads but I'm quite certain there's no more between us because I know how that conversation is going to go.
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #94) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:03 am

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If dreal flips town I'm obviously not going to absolve his wagonees of responsibility but rb takes a lot of the blame for making a solid premature assessment on a player or thinking he is too good to do otherwise
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Post Post #1939 (isolation #95) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:57 am

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What a stellar two page argument guys
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Post Post #1944 (isolation #96) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:16 am

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Texcat your posts are making your predecessor look bad... the first and last ones in your ISO are the only good ones
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #97) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:32 am

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I think dreal VS HS is TvT


In post 1917, drealmerz7 wrote:this is how you play the game HS:

quote where what you have issue with is

then use your words to express your issue

please do that

So you tell her to play the game




She plays the game like you said
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In post 1931, drealmerz7 wrote:it case it's not clear

the inherent scumdication is that you are "answering" to the "them" - when only scum answer to the "them" - townies inherently (it's psychological subconscious) "fall off" because they realize the "them" isn't them - scum stay with it
it was obvious that you were referring to me in that post. you're playing this up as a smoking gun to start a wagon when it's really not. i understand what you're trying to make it look like you were doing, but that's just not what was happening.
i was here, talking to you, and your post was literally directly responding to me. out of context, your slip makes sense. when you actually read the thread, it falls apart.
i invite everybody to read this post and make up their mind on what really happened.

that one part i quoted is bookended by a response to a quote by me, and "you've got NOTHING, HS"
you were blatantly baiting me to do this that entire time, and now it's time for us all to laugh at you as it blows up in your face because of how obvscum it makes you.
i'm going to bed, and when i come home from work i want to see a lot of dreamer votes.
HS wrote:you accuse me of being scummy for not addressing your arguments, yet you've completely ignored the following posts:


i put it to the other townies in the thread that dreamer is in fact the one who is scared to engage with my arguments, and is using his accusation of me doing the same thing as a coverup to that. he's disregarded everything i've said as 'oh you're not even engaging with my arguments, you scumfuck!' over and over again, when he's also just completely glazed over the posts of mine that -are- trying to do that.
i'm still waiting on a response to this, and I see you're still refusing to engage with my points.



Aaaand you respond with..

drealmerz7 wrote:you haven't addressed MY points, and like I said, you keep reframing the shit

it's not an attempt to understand or have dialogue on your part, it's just a way for you to paint things to your agenda
Do I have to to explain what the issue is with this? Your opponent not doing x or not doing x correctly should not be a reason for you to dismiss an argument without response, especially when it's against you.
I think you're just engaging this way out of spite.


For example 85% of what Gin said was my argument was not my argument. I still responded to all of it and made clear what my argument was.


You both are confbiased or not thinking IMO, neither of which are conducive to a good lynch


Its good you're posting more now dreal but it really blows that you're using your time to push Hs one of my main town reads. It blows worse that you probably won't care about me saying this. At least help sell Gin lynch with me FUCK
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #98) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:56 am

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Dunn I still have your Nekopara lighter, slide thru


texcat wrote:
In post 1944, Zachstralkita wrote:Texcat your posts are making your predecessor look bad... the first and last ones in your ISO are the only good ones
????? whatever

I'm not voting Drealm toDay, chicken pictures or not. If we're not going to lynch Alisae, and this would my preference by far, I need to go back and look at Gin again. Back in a bit.

Was not a personal insult... your approaches have been sort of scummy (ie Alisae)


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Post Post #1961 (isolation #99) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:12 am

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In post 1948, Human Sequencer wrote:@zach dreamer has done too much objectively scummy behaviour for me to consider that as TvT. i still have no idea how dreamer is town.

I didn't have high hopes that what I said would sway either of you, hence use of the term confbias

My goal is that others will witness the TvT, it will be monumental to actually being productive this day

TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So, I'd like to set up an informal gladiation between Dreal and I.

With 19 players, we can get 9 players on each wagon as I do think both are at 7/8 right now so this shouldn't be a problem.

I then think that the IC should be the one to decide the hammer so we can get the full effects of Vote Count Analysis as we dont need a vote to find out RB's alignment anymore.

Ballsy move but see-through and attempt to garner towncred by subjecting yourself to it

The IC may scum read you, but has an intense opinion on dreal and is 12x more likely to act against him


I'm of the opinion that we skip step 1 and lynch u
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #100) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:28 am

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In post 1964, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Every time I do something as town, someone points it out like "That was very towny of you" You're only being town because you're scum trying to fake town.

FML THAT CONFBIAS

Was this at me


This is your chance to say no before I consume your soul
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #101) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:33 am

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I didn't know that's why I didn't respond to it like I di-
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #102) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:49 am

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In post 1971, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1968, Dunnstral wrote:Every time Zach talks,
WE get further and further from solving this game

let's make a movie -
FIRST
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let me show you how that u
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then paint them dreads another color... LITTLE
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #103) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:27 am

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In post 1977, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:wagons that are important
mhsmith0 wrote:
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #104) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:31 am

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Dunnstral wrote:Zach is really ramping up the uselessness and tunnel behavior this game

What? I can't hear you over all the shit I've done this game that you haven't



Well I couldn't hear you anyway
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #105) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:33 am

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Dunnstral wrote:You haven't done anything this game actually

Stopping it here before we have the same discussion we do every game
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:34 am

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Dunnstral wrote:And you wouldn't reconsider your read on gin when you should have - just went "I'm not doing that" and tunneled him

"reconsider"

you said "walk me through " and i replied " everything is walked through"

Whatever else you think after that does not matter to me. he is scum
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Post Post #1994 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:40 am

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Dunnstral wrote:Let me break this into Haiku:

I'm considering
That the player Zachstralkita
Is not aligned with town
You tend to when I call your reads shit but I haven't done that yet.



Who are scum on Gin? I'm assuming I'm now one of them
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:43 am

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Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1994, Zachstralkita wrote:Who are scum on Gin? I'm assuming I'm now one of them
Not necessarily. But when the entire wagon is scummy people it really makes me want to not lynch gin. And so we won't


who is the 4
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #109) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:43 am

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I actually don't want to know anymore, if you have 4 scum on that wagon we really don't need to speak
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #110) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:45 am

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That means u think me slick AA and uzi are possible candidates LMAO AND DREALMEZR LOL


Dunnstral wrote:Let's say everyone but UZI is scummy on that wagon




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Post Post #2006 (isolation #111) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:49 am

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Yet you havent expressed what made him townier before you made your post about his wagon . At all
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #112) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:56 am

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In post 1429, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1422, Zachstralkita wrote:Gin is scum dude
Thinking

Walk me through his posting - and you don't think he's been a bit towny recently?
This is where you started saying what you were saying
In post 1434, Zachstralkita wrote:
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In post 1422, Zachstralkita wrote:Gin is scum dude
Thinking

Walk me through his posting - and you don't think he's been a bit towny recently?
No wtf

Even if he has appeared as such that doesn't change the fact that our argument came to a standstill because he literally only kept generalizing my argument and misrepping my stances
The intention of this post was obviously not clear enough.. :


response

then
In post 1640, Zachstralkita wrote:
Dunnstral wrote:Hey zach buddy, why did you ignore me when I asked about gin
I responded to what you said.

I'm not going to "walk through his posting", if you refer to our argument his actions and responses cement him as scum


And after that you said nothing to contest what I said or provided any sort of opinion on what I said, which was the original topic. At all. Instead we fast forward to the part where you called me useless
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In post 2006, Zachstralkita wrote:Yet you havent expressed what made him townier before you made your post about his wagon . At all
If you can't perceive it that's ok.
Obviously not jackass, it's the entire point of this engagement
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Post Post #2010 (isolation #113) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:57 am

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I told you the reasons for my stances - I just didn't rehash them when asked to

You didn't at all and expect us to be on the same level
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #114) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:00 pm

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Zachstralkita wrote:I told you the reasons for my stances - I just didn't rehash them when asked to

"You" meaning everyone, meaning my detailed reasoning can be found somewhere, in the place I said it was

You provided nothing in the way of details after Gin unvote. Just "he's towny"
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Post Post #2019 (isolation #115) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:05 pm

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In post 2002, Wraith wrote: * Aaaaand Alisae proceeds to flail when Gin presses him on his "reaction test," or pretends to flail. Does anyone really still think this is genuine lynchbait?
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #116) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:22 pm

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Dunnstral wrote:Zach continues to misrep/expect random things from me in an effort to take attention off of him and his buddy


What exactly did I misrep? What did I say you did or said that you didn't do or say? That is what misrep means.


Then, what am I expecting from you that's random? You engaged me on my Gin read saying I did not reconsider it. That means right away we have a read difference. The rest of the argument follows:

How is expecting you to detail the read you started bitching at me about random? You haven't talked about posts statements or opinions or even vaguely explained your progression on Gin(the topic). All we have from you is "he's towny."

And you never responded to me when I responded to you first asking me about that read. You left what I said alone then re appeared with "Zach's being useless" THEN you said there was scum on the Gin wagon THEN I asked for details on your read on him.

THEN you said "If you can't perceive it that's ok", which is really fucking stupid given the entire context of the discussion. Either you expect me to read your mind or you think you don't have to explain things and everyone else does.

What part of this is a misrep?

What part of this is a random thing I'm expecting from you? When you are the reason this engagement happened?
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #117) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:52 pm

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drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2069, Ircher wrote:
In post 1823, drealmerz7 wrote:apparently instead of playing mafia I should be hosting "how to play mafia" sessions in the discussion boards
can you please stop with your stupid ego attacks on the playing ability of this site?
probably not

can people get their egos of their way and learn to learn?

egos need SLICED TO PIECES sometimes

You realize you have an ego yourself w/ that attitude

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In post 1833, Zachstralkita wrote:Sorry I doubt scumdrealmerz defense here is to tell you guys you're playing like shit

The more likely option is you're playing like shit


Going for lynches such as slick and drealmerz on this specific day one is fucking awful imo



If you need me to spell it out for you you're doing a couple of things wrong and it's laughable you're assuming I'm doing something wrong in providing my simple towncase for him , or rather, "why this is a shitty lynch case"
why is it awful? What lynches would you prefer?

I have said that we have a vast amount of info here to lynch players that have posted, lynching players who have not is low effort and a cop-out that can be justified with general concepts "information", etc. but still suck especially in this game when even though there's a lot of noise there's still so much info you can get

You know what lynch I prefer, if I had to pick a second it might be texcat pending further posts idk I have said how I feel about a lot of the wagons today. Another person I am unsure about is creature. And gamma slot I think


Ircher wrote:
In post 1856, Zachstralkita wrote:If dreal flips town I'm obviously not going to absolve his wagonees of responsibility but rb takes a lot of the blame for making a solid premature assessment on a player or thinking he is too good to do otherwise
Clarify.

rb is the IC he has influence


rb is a good player he has influence

rb is very confident in his abilities to the point where he determined dreal was scum off his first post. I would call this arrogance in your abilities

following a town flip on the now L2 or L3 drealmerz I would ask better deliberation and less hastiness because of how much power the IC holds.

If it's scum which is getting unlikelier by the second I will shut up about rb
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #118) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:04 pm

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SO im going to tldr @Dunn REPLy

My problem is not that you disagree with my read but that you automatically use that as a factor to disqualify me AND don't at all explain your TR on the subject in question.

Instead when I ask you treat me like I'm slow or that I should be able to enter your skull and have the same thoughts you have like that is somehow reasonable.


Is it because of what I said to HS..... is that why you're doing that to me
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #119) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:09 pm

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I've definitely looked.. he hasn't posted more

He falls into the drealmerz category for me
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #120) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:12 pm

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In post 1833, Zachstralkita wrote:


If you need me to spell it out for you you're doing a couple of things wrong and it's laughable you're assuming I'm doing something wrong in providing my simple towncase for him , or rather, "why this is a shitty lynch case"


Sorrrryyyyyy H Ssssssssss I was on my phone and mad you were voting my tr



Dunnstral wrote:vote with me

VOTE: Debi


But I can actually defend town debi without using the word "lurk"?
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Post Post #2099 (isolation #121) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:14 pm

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Dunnstral wrote:My vote doesn't involve the term "lurk"

But my defenses on dreal and slick, your other preferred lynches do

That's y I said this one is different
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #122) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:48 pm

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dreal are you having fun yet bud
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #123) » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:50 pm

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rb said you were scum from the first post you made. He said you fit your scum meta



He's a big part of why you have a wagon on you
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #124) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:26 am

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In post 2215, All Alone wrote:
In post 2189, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:As for the rest of his posts, you'll also been keen to notice that I have been the only player he ever talks about. I've been the main contender for the lynch right now, and I can only see Scum!All Alone pushing a lynch on one player.

There is no room for town!All Alone to be tunneling one player and never interacting with anyone else.
Oh, there's no room for town to tunnel one player, you say? then wtf is this:
In post 2181, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not focusing on anyone else right now but All Alone, anyone else is distracting.
I find it really hard to believe that townGin CONSCIOUSLY DECIDED to tunnel on me, and then LITERALLY FIFTEEN MINUTES LATER decided that tunnelling could not possibly come from town.

And yeah, "focus" is
exactly
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THE CAVALRY HAS ARRIVED
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #125) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:55 am

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We have guns you little magic sword wielding fucks

AA is the hero we need and the one I deserve


I don't think you guys really deserve him
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #126) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:58 am

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Responding only because of a vote on him isn't really scummy it's just reactive play

And when he has appeared it's been good posting so can't fault him for activity



Gin ur basically lock scum lol
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #127) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:02 am

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There's a thin line between town not being stupid and lynching you and you getting off with one of those bad lynches due to your persuasion skills Day 1

You are doing your best to widen it
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Post Post #2252 (isolation #128) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:07 am

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You know what my town play is like, Gin. That post was bad


Even during our argument you failed to approach the stage on even ground.


You could push me but you won't because you know you pushing my lynxh is practically a scum claim
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Post Post #2257 (isolation #129) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:13 am

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What's that? Claim vig to provide excuse for NK?


If you really thought I was scum you would have done something, anything to take the offensive before now LOL


Instead you push everyone but me because you can combat their arguments and paint them as scummy.
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #130) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:13 am

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Ur not living to the night bro
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Post Post #2273 (isolation #131) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:20 am

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rb we could have rectified this problem 40 pages ago but you're a pie sliced part of why he's still kicking

TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:All Alone, HS, Zach, can't pick a 4th but prolly a lurker.

I'll self hammer at this point but lynch these slots lynched with fire after I'm dead.

You shouldn't have faked a sr on me you would have lived longer


Every subsequent interaction since our argument where I mention you has been met with silence until last page where you develop a hard scumread on me with no progression and fakeclaim vig. We can't slide past this
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Post Post #2296 (isolation #132) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:47 am

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What a waste of time, w/e I will let you guys run your Day 1
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Post Post #2298 (isolation #133) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:49 am

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Will actually make a 1 post summary of Gin case at home
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Post Post #2345 (isolation #134) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:19 pm

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Doing what I said I would do.

Debi, I know there's a shit ton of posts in this game but you've never responded to anything I've asked you or requested you to do and maintain a scumread on me. You never even responded to my response to your first read wall where you called me scum to begin with. If you can justify my scumread without engagement please do so. If you can update your read factoring in my reply to your original one at least that would be nifty. I don't really care if you still scumread me, I care on what basis you do it.

My case on Gin is as follows.

Spoiler:
The main pretext of my Gin read is that his scumhunting is false and shallow, and he's selectively chosen what he wants to respond to and how he portrays his opponents' arguments. He does a good job of creating a downright disingenuous narrative to explain any action taken against him or any action by his opponents. His more recent actions concerning his "claim", meaningless self vote, and approach toward me make him even scummier.


The icing on the cake is that his recent posts have done way, way worse for him. Yet, he still has a pretty decent chance of surviving Day 1 because of the loads of people en masse that aren't thinking, choose not to, or allow whatever preconceptions they have about me to prevent them from seeing things objectively.
Or they just disagree
. Yeah, you assholes. And then there's rb, who earlier used his magic wand with drealmerz's name on it to fuck town up the ass. He's gotten on the right track as of late in his mind at least, but of course the main dumb wagons like Alisae, drealmerz and Slick have already done their thing and acted as a giant fucking boulder crushing everything decent and now we live in loony world. With rb as head orderly of the loonies.

Then we have Dunn who chooses whether he wants to scum or town read me at the start of every game we play and tailors his play accordingly. Dunn thinks luxuries like "explaining your reads when they haven't been explained past surface level" are for men of a lower caliber than him, and responds with confusion and a scumread when you ask him to do so. I didn't ask him for further explanation on anything because I knew I wouldn't get it and I'm not going to get it now. I cannot engage like that.


Let's start from the beginning. Post is the catalyst where I abandon all preconceptions I had of Gin due to Pine's early push on him and actually read that slot.
Contained within are my initial thoughts then.

This propels us into actual discussion. Follow along!~ Please reread the posts in question as I provide them, that is if you care to and you can see if you agree or disagree with what exactly I'm saying about them.


: Gin says "If you say I'm still pushing for an Alisae lynch, that's a strawman argument."


Except, that's kinda not close to what I said. Reading the post I specifically start with Gin's early votes and move down the line. When I get to the Alisae vote, I talk about the Alisae wagon because what it was and what it said about those who were on it was an important point not to be undermined.

Now it isn't a conversation where you say things and then they disappear into the air, these are posts that you can reread as many times as you want. So a response such as that was either a deliberate misinterpretation or me structuring things poorly.

The second part of 1203 states:
"Slick has admitted to not wanting to contribute or put in input. That's a scum claim in my book."

Let's hop over to . I address this statement for what it is: A plain misrep of what Slick said in post .
Gin's implication is that Slick's lack of input was a conscious, deliberate effort to not add content to the game and he's expected to be granted a free pass for it. When that is clearly not Slick's intention.

[See above:
"He does a good job of creating a downright disingenuous narrative to explain any action taken against him or any action by his opponents."
I've said this twice now because it's going to hold resoundingly true by the end of this post.]


Gin's response comes in .
He says I in fact, have accused him of still pushing Alisae(no I did not), then asks me to provide a benefit of scum defending easy lynches like that. Well gee. hard to pick one. cause theres a FUCKING MILLION.

The second part of that post is his idea of a defense, which is to paint me as hypocritical for not applying linear logic to nonlinear circumstances. The reason why this is a bad reaction is because town doesn't have to do that.

If town has an argument thrown against them, they can refute that argument with their own merit. What Gin attempted to do was discredit me and thus invalidate my argument by saying it's hypocritical because I'm doing it to him and I wasn't doing it to someone else that it "applies to". Except the best this would accomplish is to have a negative affect on me. It wouldn't absolve Gin of anything.

It's a guilty reaction. Town doesn't need to prioritize making their opponents look bad to make themselves look good.

But wait, we're not done with Gin's Operation: Onslaught.
The second wave of his invading forces arrive in ,
which will be broken down promptly.

I."Tell me the scum motivation in wanting everyone to contribute?"
- This manages to be a generalization of my argument and also
not
my argument at the same time. Gin is implying here that my problem with him is a result of him voting Slick for "not wanting to contribute".

The grave errors here are that first, my vote on him is being misrepresented. I voted Gin for misrepping slick and using that as a solid basis to vote him. He is continuing on the assumption that his misrepresentation is the correct way, it's the way things actually happened.

Second, there's no scum motivation in wanting everyone to contribute and I never said that. The scum motivation is in attributing malicious intent to actions which have none inherently, and then running with it. Yet this is not the argument he's responded to.

II. "Also tell me the pro-town agenda with allowing lurkers to continue playing throughout the game?"

This is the type of argument you find in the political threads. Normally there should be a clear progression in which the argument goes from point A to point B, and you're able to pinpoint why this statement makes sense with the current discussion and on what basis it is relevant. Instead we've started at point A and ended up on fucking Madagascar.

I never said anything about allowing lurkers to continue playing throughout the game.

I never said anything about THROUGHOUT THE FUCKING GAME, actually. It's underhanded to take an argument relative to the Day 1 gamestate and assume I am applying that logic to the past, present, and fucking future and then expect me to defend a statement like that like I actually fucking said it. My argument was relating to Gin's vote on Slick, Gin's statement about Slick's post, and Slick's post itself.

The next few lines in that post are noise.


III."I honestly don't see any logical reasoning as to the benefit of allowing people to just be part of the game and spectate. You give them a free pass because xshnsdfohaenyherjkujrke "

Really a blatant generalization. What course did you learn this generalization in. Who taught you. WAS IT CREATURE?

I never made an argument for lurkers as a whole, or attempted to defend lurkers as a whole.

My response to 1209 comes in
. I basically say everything I just said except a lot less clear.

Next:
where I explain why lynches like slick and dreal are bad. Note that this is still not a general defense of lurkers or a call to just let them slide.

Then, .
Yes Gin, we are arguing two different things. You were the one who started that actually.

Interestingly enough something that I missed before. Read

Gin says his Slick vote will prompt Slick to enter so he can get a read on him, when if we look at when the vote was actually made, Gin was already quite sure he was scum.

BUT U CAN HAVE THAT, THAT AIN'T EVEN WHAT IM MAD AT :!:



My response in .


Hey everyone, welcome to this evening's edition of
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and I'm your host, Zachstralkita.
Tonight we have our returning champion Gin with post .


*applause*

This is the third or fourth time he's illustrated my argument as being a defense on lurkers. He's again saying that I voted him for voting Slick simply on the premise of being a lurker. Thanks to what's already been said in this post, we can see it's not true at all. We'll be back with more after this commercial break.




We're back from the commercial break,
and I respond to 1219 with
, which means exactly what it says. After that, no further discussion.

Nothing's been resolved. Gin has left his broken argument as is, meaning we're playing the same game on two vastly different fields. Now I know Gin's okay with that, but the part that pisses me off is that everyone else is too.

Anyway, Gin takes the time to respond to others' arguments and scumreads on him but he never ever responds to 1318, agreeing or disagreeing. This says quite a lot.



That was the bulky stuff. Now to seal the deal.


Now there was no real progression of Gin's read on me after our whole debacle. Yet in and , he pops up with not only a fake claim but a hard scumread on me, one that's worthy of a "shot". When he gives no indication as to why this is valid. He had PLENTY of chances to state a formation of this read WHEN we argued, but he never did it. One can only assume it's because I'm pushing him and I am considered more credible than the other people that are actually pushing him. Thus I am a threat. But it's a very sloppy maneuver and it leaves much to be desired. If you guys think change from town read to scum read with 0 visible progression and only in the face of danger is cool, well fuck you too then. Gin is playing a very convincing part because he knows he can get away with it with this town. rb is not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination but his actions thus far are akin to taking a 7 year old, going "awwwww" and then chokeslamming them through a plate glass window. But he also gives them applesauce like that evens it out.


It doesn't even it out.
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Dunnstral wrote:that's a joke, I'll thoroughly dismantle zach's crusade later. making a mental note


Want to talk about debi?
You should read what I said about you before "dismantling" anything
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Post Post #2352 (isolation #136) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:29 pm

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Nope I asked you about the stuff that I asked you about I just didn't ask you about the things that came after that when the correct move would have been to do so
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Post Post #2371 (isolation #137) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:50 pm

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dreal you haven't smoked yet this game, have you

Your entire attitude has been Ann GRRRRR but more than is reasonably expected thus it ends up being overbearing and you get written off as scummy by people then respond with more Ann GRRRRRRR


It hurts me to see
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Post Post #2375 (isolation #138) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:55 pm

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drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 2371, Zachstralkita wrote:dreal you haven't smoked yet this game, have you

Your entire attitude has been Ann GRRRRR but more than is reasonably expected thus it ends up being overbearing and you get written off as scummy by people then respond with more Ann GRRRRRRR


It hurts me to see
I play different styles so I can't be meta-read

deal with it

and pass me the bong


You acting pissed off is a style? Cause I think you're kinda pissed off


And you should know people aren't receptive to that sort of attitude and we're playing the kind of game where how you say something is just as important as what you're saying and can be critical to whether or not it is received. Mafia is a social game. You know this way more than me



You are also aware that despite your efforts, people still have "meta" reads on you and other people believe them

Just a daily reminder of how futile our existence really is wink wink wink
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Post Post #2378 (isolation #139) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:59 pm

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In post 2376, drealmerz7 wrote:I've not played a lot with creature but I've never seen him be so scummy and yet everyone is like "yay creature!!"

Imean, I like the dude from what I can tell, seems like a nice smart cheery fella, but, it's mafia, he draws scum, and he's playing scummy

killll himmmmmm

Just be grateful he doesn't have the Top Cat avatar still otherwise he'd have steamrolled us by now
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Post Post #2388 (isolation #140) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:22 pm

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TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Zach, look dude I'm no longer going to argue with you because you're a brick wall and I learned that early on.

I voted for Slick because I read it as him just making a post saying he'd just not contribute D1 with a quick little excuse and hope it slides
.

That was my argument.

Your argument is that I twisted a misrep into voting him.

Like really you're just butting heads with me because we have different ideologies of how players should play or be involved.


I said everything I needed to. That post wasn't primarily for you. It was for HS and others who don't understand my read or wanted me to clarify



Luckily no one gives a shit about it and we'll find out in a few pages what they do give a shit about: the drealmerz wagon


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Post Post #2556 (isolation #141) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:01 am

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This just in: claimed scum asks his "scumreads" to pander to him.



Lynch dat with impunity
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Post Post #2557 (isolation #142) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:03 am

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"I'm not going to talk after this point"


*keeps talking after that point






Well I'm doing it too
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #143) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:48 am

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In post 2598, Debi wrote: For Zach its due to this quotation:
'You acting pissed off is a style? Cause I think you're kinda pissed off'
Ever since I read this, I feel as if he was trying to provoke a reaction by pressuring people unnecessarily rudely, by used profanity for 0 reason. I just get the impression that using things like profanity for a reaction is Scum-like.

I use profanity in general. I don't need a reason.
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Post Post #2614 (isolation #144) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:54 am

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You're not a very good misrep police officer. You don't even have a warrant
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Post Post #2651 (isolation #145) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:50 pm

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leave d realmerz alone!
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Post Post #2691 (isolation #146) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:25 pm

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In post 2628, Titus wrote:
I would rather no lynch than vote Gin. Fight me.
Stop it, ew.


You shouldn't have called him obv town. Your aggressive style of play makes people unwilling to confront you head on. I. Now the obv scum wagon is stalled and I do not see it kicking off again. Sorry Titus, you've been struck from the jury because of your implied bias. Yes I Googled that shit with no shame, holla @ me. What's that? I'm biased too? Not according to judge WAKE88



In the next 10-12 pages some other fuckery will manage to have taken place of lead wagon, probably SD or dreal.. or fucking Alisae for fuck's sake.

If the lynch becomes one of those then they're most likely going to flip town and you guys are going to act confused and say that they had it coming, then say a bunch of other random shit and then maybe somehow blame Zach for it. I actually already talked about something like this wayyyy earlier in the game.

Gin literally placed everyone that called him scum into his scum pile. He threw "not wanting to contribute" in there for good measure. Yeah, I don't want to contribute to an obvious fakeclaim. It's going to help further the illusion that the claim is valid if I treat it like it is. People are genuinely acting like that man is the towniest motherfucker alive. IF I did what he's done this game the mod would insert a fucking day vig mid game just to shoot me.

All Alone has spoken nothing but sense since he stepped INTO this motherfucker and he's become the scumread of many if I'm not mistaken(except for Titus), including Gin. What the fuck type of parallel universe are we in?


I think Debi gets her reads on me from fortune cookies. She's never directly engaged with me, and I've asked her stuff. Now I'm not expecting any player to keep up with this cluster fuck of a thread 100 90 or even 80 percent but I don't really see the sense there. I don't think that's necessarily scum because her play comes across as too blind. And that's not an insult. I believe you're trying to solve the game, Debi, but I have absolutely no idea how you're coming to these conclusions that you are. I don't bite. Engaging with me is a safe move. Unless your namesake is a mixed drink.
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Post Post #2868 (isolation #147) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:11 am

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Lmfao the man called u a fuck monkey
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Post Post #2872 (isolation #148) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:23 am

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burden of proof is on the accuser, not anyone defending a player. . Suggesting otherwise implies that anyone who doesn't get defended is scum, which is really half-assed. It implies you can reasonably use "lack of [x]" as the ONLY justification for a lynch and face no scrutiny. It's a mindset that aids scum.


I'm not surprised that it's being done by Gin at all, I'm a tiny bit surprised it was done by Titus, I would be more surprised that no one really gives a shit this game and is living in an alternate universe but we're deep enough into it that any trace of normalcy has just vanished.
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Post Post #2874 (isolation #149) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:42 am

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In post 2803, drealmerz7 wrote:welcome to the gamestate shitposter alisae has created
In post 2804, drealmerz7 wrote:and you all want to let him live, because, hey, it's NOT SCUMMY??

yeah, it is

Who the fuck is "you all", guy? Most people save for me are comfy lynching him, they're just also on other similarly shitty wagons like SD. I was one of the main people defending him. I can't recall much else who did.


I said that to say this. You mean well, but I'm
one of the only people
the only person who understands this about you. Despite our disagreeance in reads I'm quite confident in you being town. You need to adjust your demeanor to that of a cute little kitten. Or a college-age kitten. Your current demeanor is of an ex-convict recovering alcoholic and benzo addict kitten. you're trying to get sober from the kitty benzos and life of cat crime but no one gives a shit about "trying" because human beings are miserable, awful creatures. I don't think people are reading you correctly and I don't agree with the way they react to you, but there's too many people playing hardball, myself included, and you take the top spot. It means yes everyone sucks but a lot of these people that suck share our common interest and when you butt heads with them consistently it makes it much less likely that anything you say will be received well, even if it's 120% right. Which makes things way fucking harder than they need to be.
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Post Post #2877 (isolation #150) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:08 am

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Nah I've heard of him tho
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Post Post #2879 (isolation #151) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:11 am

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In post 1973, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1971, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1968, Dunnstral wrote:Every time Zach talks,
WE get further and further from solving this game

let's make a movie -
FIRST
..... :!:








let me show you how that u
ZI
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then paint them dreads another color... LITTLE
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I need you to appreciate the bars.
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Post Post #2902 (isolation #152) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:02 am

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drealmerz7 wrote:thanks zach, what do you say to the fact that if I change my approach to a different kitty

no one ever even hears/acknowledges a single meow? can't get anyone to hear me that way
Well everyone is hearing you right meow, but no one is listening. That's the important part.

When you begin presenting yourself well the other problems can be allowed to start correcting themselves.

It's twofold. Most people think you're scum so they will attempt to invalidate what you say in their minds from when they first read it.

AND your attitude is not welcoming, so they don't even want to hear it. You probably believe you're doing the best thing you can, but a lot of people see your posting and think raving scum lunatic.

to
(cat)
nip this one in the bud, just start presenting sound structured statements not driven by emotion. If they're driven by logic then make sure it's transparently outlined for the layman to understand your POV.

Once you start doing that, any scummies will find it a lot harder to discredit you because they'll have to dismantle your arguments with evidence rather than hide behind the general consensus, which is that you're
purr
blic enemy number 1. Even tho I'm p sure you're town, I'm a neuteral party in drealmerz vs the world, I'm just the helping paw you need to brush all these bad vibes away from your immediate area so you can begin doing stuff for yourself.


Notice how no one's attempted to come at me like they came at you, because despite all the shit I talk and how EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED this game makes me feel I still make my moves and arguments intelligently and will kung lao fatality SLICE my opposition in half.
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Post Post #2913 (isolation #153) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:43 am

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Post Post #2965 (isolation #154) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:48 am

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In post 2946, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.

VOTE: Ircher

What's your case on this?
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Post Post #2978 (isolation #155) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:01 am

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Confused about the Pine hype actually.

I've nailed Pine scum before and I don't think his play has steered me to that sort of feeling. I think I can gauge it too.


No comment on Wraith slot cause he's one of those ones that I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to.

Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2965, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 2946, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.

VOTE: Ircher

What's your case on this?
I don't really do cases, more so reasons.

- His poor push on Debi
- His reaction test he did earlier which felt pointless and a grab for town cred since he's yet to say what he learned from it
- His vote for Titus was poor as well. Solely voted her because of meta
- His sheeping Titus of a no lynch

Have to go find these. Don't think his rxn test was remotely scummy tho.

If you have more say so.
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Post Post #2982 (isolation #156) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:18 am

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Explain what is behind that push



Wraith explain your scumreads besides Slick and why you are confident enough in Titus and Creature to put them with the IC
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Post Post #2999 (isolation #157) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:24 am

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In post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

You're being short-sighted, deliberately or otherwise.

90% of the people who Gin wanted to shoot were scumreading him before.
Dunnstral wrote:Remember how we agreed to lynch wraith if the game was multiball
Who agreed to what? I haven't seen anyone say WHY to lynch Wraith.
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Post Post #3007 (isolation #158) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:30 am

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Creature wrote:
In post 2999, Zachstralkita wrote:90% of the people who Gin wanted to shoot were scumreading him before.
Doesn't mean they're all town :]

Not what the point was.

Kyouko said this as if to imply said players were voting Gin because he wanted to shoot them. It's not true.

In post 2992, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how ot
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

I'll just .. go here
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Post Post #3013 (isolation #159) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:34 am

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Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1290, Human Sequencer wrote:1. dreamer
2. ali
3. gin
4. wraith

wraith goes to 1 if multiball is confirmed

yeah but you said "we agreed" when you should have said " me and human sequencers post"

also the guy had dreal as number 1 lol and ali number 2 LOL
Dunnstral wrote:You think he'd learn after lynching blatant town.

Unless that was his goal...?
You sound dumb
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Post Post #3020 (isolation #160) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:38 am

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Dunnstral wrote:after thinking about it a bit, I'm pretty sure this is Zach's scum game too.

Would lynch there today. Along with slickdilinger, Lil Uzi Vert, EchoVision, and of course wraith.
dunno what you think about really cause none of it is ever supported
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Post Post #3035 (isolation #161) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:08 pm

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Ill give this one about 6 pages
ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I also felt like Zach was getting unnecessarily aggressive towards me for wanting to reread the last wagon but he's not scum I don't think. Why are you voting him Creature?
I dont care if you do lol you just said something that was not accurate and then take issue with me telling you that? You know that is what you were doing, right?
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Post Post #3036 (isolation #162) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:09 pm

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More like 8 to 10 pages
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Post Post #3040 (isolation #163) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:21 pm

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No you're the proprietor of this wagon so you're just going to talk a lot... and act authoritative and confident to compensate for your inability to make intelligent statements...
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Post Post #3044 (isolation #164) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:29 pm

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Dunnstral wrote:I don't see why you think anything other than surface level suspicion is needed to lynch you when you haven't done anything this game.

Yea I have you just discredit anything I say and believe anything you say is true... in addition to making pushes with logic that can be applied to you then act confused when someone calls out your bullshit, it's why its really not fun playing with you anymore
ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I just reread what I posted and don't see what you thought was inaccurate about my post
Did you reread what I posted ? Then maybe restate the actual intention of yours
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Post Post #3049 (isolation #165) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:32 pm

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Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3044, Zachstralkita wrote:
Dunnstral wrote:I don't see why you think anything other than surface level suspicion is needed to lynch you when you haven't done anything this game.

Yea I have you just discredit anything I say and believe anything you say is true... in addition to making pushes with logic that can be applied to you then act confused when someone calls out your bullshit, it's why its really not fun playing with you anymore
ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I just reread what I posted and don't see what you thought was inaccurate about my post
Did you reread what I posted ? Then maybe restate the actual intention of yours
How do you know I'm town
not the implication of my argument, it can be applied to either way
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In post 3044, Zachstralkita wrote:Yea I have you just discredit anything I say and believe anything you say is true... in addition to making pushes with logic that can be applied to you then act confused when someone calls out your bullshit, it's why its really not fun playing with you anymore
Do I don't
Yeah you do, any reasonable basis to why I haven't done anything this game should be outlined by you

So I can then tell you why I can say the same thing about you
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Post Post #3050 (isolation #166) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:34 pm

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I have a vague idea of what you would say and it involve me "not scumhunting"
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Post Post #3053 (isolation #167) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:40 pm

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Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context
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Post Post #3055 (isolation #168) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:47 pm

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No it wasn't baseless, given everything that I thought about him before when he did it it looked like a desperate scum fake claim. And I was half right...


And you pushing me isn't going to accomplish anything, the only reason you're going to do it is because your ego is at stake and you think everyone is meant to see the game with the same logic as you
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Post Post #3059 (isolation #169) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:51 pm

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ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3053, Zachstralkita wrote:Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context
That's not how this works. You said my original post was inaccurate, but when I pointed out that I didn't see what was inaccurate about it and then explained the intentions behind my post like you asked, you never pointed out what was inaccurate about my post. I felt like your vote was unwarranted.

What about my post was inaccurate?

@Dunn I seriously doubt there's a real vig and even if there were one they could have just as easily ignored Gin's claim and shot him overnight instead of lynching him. I doubt that both Red Mafia and a Vig failed to kill last night, but it's possible that Blue and the Vig both shot at Texcat considering that slot's play yesterday around Gin and rb.

pedit: Gin's claim stunk tbh and I think whether people believed it or not given he flipped town is NAI as long as it's consistent with their reads of Gin before his claim.
But my response to it told you why it was inaccurate. That's why I told you to read my response because it says literally exactly what was wrong with what you said. And what I said to Creature
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Post Post #3061 (isolation #170) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:53 pm

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In post 3058, Dunnstral wrote:What if he was a vig? What do you think happens at night? I don't see how your gin read is so important that you can't vote elsewhere

Why are you voting eugene?
What if he hadn't made such a obvious fakeclaim? LMAO

I'm just sticking my vote here cause I'm not satisfied with anyone's Pines reads and I haven't went through Wraith's slot, and no one's told me why Wraith is scum.
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Post Post #3067 (isolation #171) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:59 pm

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Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3061, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 3058, Dunnstral wrote:What if he was a vig? What do you think happens at night? I don't see how your gin read is so important that you can't vote elsewhere

Why are you voting eugene?
What if he hadn't made such a obvious fakeclaim? LMAO

I'm just sticking my vote here cause I'm not satisfied with anyone's Pines reads and I haven't went through Wraith's slot, and no one's told me why Wraith is scum.
That's the thing - it wasn't obvious and he was towny

Why won't you vote slick?

Wher R u? a lot of other people thought he was fakeclaiming. Even your boy BDSM tokyo. rb was not at all fazed by the claim either.

And I'm not going to comment on SlickDilinger at this moment
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Post Post #3069 (isolation #172) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:02 pm

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thinking Creature but I'm also going to look at Ircher Echo and Wraith and return..............
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Post Post #3365 (isolation #173) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:09 am

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I'll make a caught up post when I get back to my house today
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Post Post #3368 (isolation #174) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:14 am

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The one with the chao or Hanyu?
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Post Post #3370 (isolation #175) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:15 am

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Uzi watch kodaks ski mask interview lmfao
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Post Post #3417 (isolation #176) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:10 pm

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Yea so fucking, Dunn claimed a guilty and then un claimed it

Most notable thing,, will return with ... stuff..

Dunnstral wrote:Image vote slickdilinger
I dunno if it looks better mirrored. It might... hmmm....
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Post Post #3421 (isolation #177) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:15 pm

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In post 3418, Alisae wrote:ZAAAAAACH!
WHERE IS HANYUU
I NEED HANYUU NAOW

Idk this avi is pretty flame man I might wait a month

or put a cigarette in Hanyu's mouth idk
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Post Post #3463 (isolation #178) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:53 am

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I dunno what I'm reading in Slick's tone that you guys aren't. Scum would try to be more self preserving...
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Post Post #3464 (isolation #179) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:59 am

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In post 3458, Creature wrote:Now it's up to you whether you'll spare SlickDilinger because he was the "top wagon" the whole day or just kill him because he's so far doing nothing.

So is your prerogative to vote players for lack of content or because you think they are scum?
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Post Post #3466 (isolation #180) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:14 am

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So it takes priority over everything else?
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Post Post #3479 (isolation #181) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:11 pm

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In post 3468, Wraith wrote:
In post 3463, Zachstralkita wrote:I dunno what I'm reading in Slick's tone that you guys aren't. Scum would try to be more self preserving...
Personally I think the opposite.

Maybe elaborate on this lmfao
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Post Post #3505 (isolation #182) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:25 am

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In post 3469, Creature wrote:Hey Zach, I'm looking for who's most likely scum. Though, we're having difficulties to make a good wagon, and Slick has a fairly decent chance to flip scum.
See it looks like you'd just prefer to lynch those sorts of slots because you don't have to do much explaining. Of what he's posted today you can draw scum from that?
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Post Post #3506 (isolation #183) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:26 am

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Echo what are the other reasons for your prior Dunn vote
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Post Post #3508 (isolation #184) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:30 am

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Post Post #3509 (isolation #185) » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:30 am

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- kodak black
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Post Post #3555 (isolation #186) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:48 am

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In post 3529, EchoVision wrote:
In post 3506, Zachstralkita wrote:Echo what are the other reasons for your prior Dunn vote
well my main reason was his fake cop claim that everyone just overlooked... also other shit I don't feel like finding
You said this before.

The problem is that the other shit you don't feel like finding should be found. It's a very low effort push you're making.
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Post Post #3559 (isolation #187) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:00 am

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In post 3557, Human Sequencer wrote: need to look into zach more too, he confuses me

You said this already, maybe you should actually do it. And explain while you're at it how the read changed from yesterday.


And how can you reasonably still see drealmerz as scum?
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Post Post #3575 (isolation #188) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:10 am

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You can't hide what's inside, Creature.
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Post Post #3581 (isolation #189) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:43 am

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Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 3559, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 3557, Human Sequencer wrote: need to look into zach more too, he confuses me

You said this already, maybe you should actually do it. And explain while you're at it how the read changed from yesterday.


And how can you reasonably still see drealmerz as scum?
Where were you going with this? It looks like you were mounting up for a push, but with my response and your lack of response, it looks more like you were trying to look like you were doing something.

Not really what I was doing. And your response wasn't much of a response. I was trying to find out the exact substance of your drealmerz read, only for you to acknowledge that you really had none and I'm assuming the bulk of your read is because you don't like how he posts.
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Post Post #3582 (isolation #190) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:44 am

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Titus u tryna wagon Creature?
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Post Post #3583 (isolation #191) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:55 am

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And you didn't even respond to the first half of what I asked, Human. Every poke prod and jab doesn't mean someone's assaulting you.
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Post Post #3586 (isolation #192) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:07 am

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Your attitude is weird, but I can't attribute it to anything AI without biasing myself. I'm trying to understand your thought processes.
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Post Post #3591 (isolation #193) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:12 am

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I think our issue is you attach concrete motivations when I say very ambiguous things and then run with it. It gives me that Debi sort of feel.
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Post Post #3594 (isolation #194) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:17 am

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In post 3592, Human Sequencer wrote:Really just want to know how you read me atm lmao

Town until further notice
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Post Post #3616 (isolation #195) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:09 am

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Yall really got this man at L2. Come on folks
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Post Post #3617 (isolation #196) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:09 am

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Let's display some initiative and critical thinking skills
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Post Post #3666 (isolation #197) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:23 pm

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You'll note I haven't even given any reasons for why I voted Kyouko. I just put my vote there to see how he would react to the wagon.

What's disconcerting is I don't think anyone really pointed out that I provided dick shit in the way of reasoning.




His reaction was okay. And for the record all talk about the "blue" situation is total bullshit for a scumread. You don't scumread people for colors lol, let alone the color that's normally opposite to red.

Now for the.. main course


VOTE: Creature
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Post Post #3669 (isolation #198) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:34 pm

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Pay homage, son. I paved the way for you.
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Post Post #3670 (isolation #199) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:40 pm

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Wait a minute, are you seriously taking credit for a "reaction wagon" I started FIVE DAYS before you voted for him?
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