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I'm replacing in and will read up as soon as possible.
Mod, can you include people who are 'Not Voting' in your VCs please? Thanks.
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Alright, couple of things from the first 4 pages (ignore if these have been responded to in later pages)
How does that make him scum?In post 61, havingfitz wrote: LUV reading the Hawk and Grey game last night where Grey was "slick scum" seems awfully coincidental.
What does 'genuine' scum hunting look like? And how would you differentiate that from 'fake' scum hunting?In post 74, Empking wrote: He looks like he's genuinely scumhunting.
This is a bad post. What you have basically just done is said that you have a town feel for 5 players and yet you're voting someone for saying they're reading one person as town somewhat strongly. I find this awfully hypocritical to vote for someone who has given out one town read when you have five and this looks like one of those posts where scum be like 'Hey, look at me having lots of reads on people and engaging with the game' when actually you're not saying a whole lot. It's also ;pinging that you clearly opted to avoid using the word 'town' when referring to those 5 people and instead went with 'figuring the game out'.In post 89, FancyPants wrote:OK well not much to go on thus far. Let's take a stab then.
Alisae, Havingfitz, Empking, Grey, Hawk all seem to have some vague interest in figuring out this game at least.
ConManMick and boring haven't done much. LUV I'm not sure about.
Mozamis making some really early town reads, makes me suspect heknowswho town are. Surety is scummy.
Therefore I'm happy with my vote. As I said earlier wagon ho.
What does interesting mean? Scummy? Towny? What?In post 92, boring wrote:I'm finding FancyPants interesting too.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Which posts? Quote them and explain how they show scum hunting. Emp, would you agree that you have been scum hunting thus far this game?In post 135, FancyPants wrote:Despite Empking's lack of posts I do feel what he has done actually seems aimed at scum hunting.
Man, I cant disagree with this part of the post any more than I do. Scum wouldn't want to draw attention to a reaction test (in the hopes that a Mason outs themselves) and they also wouldn't want to react too quickly (scum usually let town react first to try and gauge the flow of the thread). Your town read on FP makes no sense to me at all.In post 139, Hawk wrote: Fancypants I liked his post 20 and post 89. Reading that as not pro-town says he possibly wasn't super aware of the player list or at least didn't want to draw attention to that reaction test obviously like Uzi did. Not sure if this means he's town or not but at least he's not reacting too quickly.
He took a stab at early reads....after scum reading someone for stating an early town read. You don't have a problem with that?In post 139, Hawk wrote:89 I like cause taking a stab at early reads when RVS is kinda naturally winding down is good for generating discussion even with soft reads. This is town to me.
Second time I have seen this - where is fitz 'genuinely' scum hunting?In post 139, Hawk wrote:Fritz seems to genuinely trying to ScumHunt so I do like that.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Talk about your reads on Grey and fitz please? I'm super surprised that out of those 3 people you chose to vote for Moz. Why does scum!Moz go against the thread and start defending Alisae based on nothing?In post 154, Antihuman wrote:So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.
VOTE: mozamis
Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum
OK, this game feels really weird and I agree with FP that I think scum are laying low.
There are so many people not scum hunting/contributing to the game that it's very difficult to form town reads.
VOTE: Grey
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If you were not implying LUV was scum with the 'awfully coincidental' comment, what was you implying?In post 193, havingfitz wrote:
You keep saying this. Why?In post 192, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:why you thought that it made LUV scumMeta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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What does 'awfully coincidental' mean in relation to alignment?In post 198, havingfitz wrote: I was implying/explicitly stating that LUVs comments seemed awfully coincidental and that I wanted more information on the matter...hence my questions to LUV.
LUVs response was enough to stem my curiosity fttb.
I would not say LUV is a scum read for me att....as I didn't state in post 61.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Right, which I then assumed to mean suspicion = scum read. It is important to be because it's one of those situations where you're throwing shade at someone without directly calling them a scum read - and if you're ever called out on it you can just say 'but I never said he was scum though'.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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This vote is awful.
Nah, there has to be something that makes you question it - otherwise you would just let it slide. I also said I 'assumed' and IMO it was a fair assumption to make.In post 214, havingfitz wrote:My point being...if someone does something you find questionable...that doesn't automatically mean you are scum reading them. Especially after further clarification by that person. And saying I am scum reading someone I did not say that about is a bit misleading btw.
Yeah, that's exactly why I wanted to pull you up on what you said. You said what you did the way you did for this exact situation to arise.In post 218, havingfitz wrote: Did my "misleading" comment strike a nerve?
Talk about some of these reads - mostly the strong town reads on Fitz and AH and why you have Emp below Mick and Snowman.In post 249, Alisae wrote:{Boring, Fitz, AH}
{Moz, Facy}
{Hawk, Snowman, Mick}
{BBT, Uzi, Empking}
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You're OK with running up CMM or Snowman...so why switch from CMM to Snowman?In post 251, Alisae wrote:Actually just skimmed Mick's ISO cuz he was one of the nerds I needed to relook at when I got the chance.
His vote was placed in the RVS stage which still concerns me.
I'm okay with running up snowman or Mick.
VOTE: Snowman
Grey had a nice, shiny wagon going. We're on page 20 already and still nowhere near a lynch - town are in a pretty shitty position already and I was attempting to avoid that with early pressure and an early wagon/claim.In post 261, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: Why Grey here? It feels like you should voting for Fancy or Fitz right now.
Can you talk about where Emp is shade throwing? Can you also confirm that you're totally OK with Alisae's hop onto the Grey wagon and her voting of CMM/Snowman.In post 263, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: Shade throwing and the hop on the Ali wagon.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Hi Hawk, I see you posted on page 11 but did not respond to my questions for you.In post 188, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Man, I cant disagree with this part of the post any more than I do. Scum wouldn't want to draw attention to a reaction test (in the hopes that a Mason outs themselves) and they also wouldn't want to react too quickly (scum usually let town react first to try and gauge the flow of the thread). Your town read on FP makes no sense to me at all.In post 139, Hawk wrote: Fancypants I liked his post 20 and post 89. Reading that as not pro-town says he possibly wasn't super aware of the player list or at least didn't want to draw attention to that reaction test obviously like Uzi did. Not sure if this means he's town or not but at least he's not reacting too quickly.
He took a stab at early reads....after scum reading someone for stating an early town read. You don't have a problem with that?In post 139, Hawk wrote:89 I like cause taking a stab at early reads when RVS is kinda naturally winding down is good for generating discussion even with soft reads. This is town to me.
Second time I have seen this - where is fitz 'genuinely' scum hunting?In post 139, Hawk wrote:Fritz seems to genuinely trying to ScumHunt so I do like that.
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I don't get why you unvoted Alisae when you still think he is scum?In post 278, -Grey- wrote:LUV possible Ali buddy. Idk why town would bend over backwards here to speak for someone else.
Why Snowman?
Were you not just voting/pushing on CMM/Snowman for not being active? And now you're voting Emp for FoS the people not voting? I don't like that at all.In post 290, Alisae wrote:I wanna sheep this shit as well. I also don't particularly townread them for fosing people who aren't voting when we're less then 10 pages in. Seems like kinda a shit reason to fos a group of people to me.
VOTE: Empking
This vote is disgustingly opportunistic.In post 291, Hawk wrote: Honestly I still don't have the best reads but I wouldn't mind hearing more from Emp.
VOTE: EmpKing
Just to confirm this - the VC is still incorrect. Mod, the VCs are pretty important for people who like to use VCA. Hawk should be the last name on the Emp wagon on this page.In post 293, boring wrote:@mod, I hate being so picky, but -Grey- was left off the VC, and our votes seem out of order (I'm not sure if tracking vote order is required, but it can sometimes affect VCA).
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Emp hasn't struck me one way or another, I thought Moz was town but I didn't like some of their posting around pages 11-12 and it's the exact same for Alisae. I thought his early game posting was pretty town but his vote hopping and baseless votes around pages 10-12 have me seriously doubting that read.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Can you talk about the 180 on Alisae and the scum read on Uzi please?In post 304, -Grey- wrote:Reads as of reread up to page 8:
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{FancyPants, havingfitz, Hawk}
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Can you talk about the town read on Hawk and the 180 on myself?In post 313, -Grey- wrote: {FancyPants, havingfitz, Hawk}
{SnarkySnowman, Antihuman, Empking, LilUziVert}
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In post 320, SnarkySnowman wrote:Hey Grey, if I said BBT was scum, would you buy it at all?
What about their tone tells you they're town? Can you give specific examples of 'how they've been playing' that makes you think they're town as well please?In post 322, Alisae wrote:Moz is high because tone seems to be coming from town along with how they've been playing.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Hawk is doing just enough to coast by whilst we have 13 players around and where his absence is not as easily noticed.
His posts pretty much consist of nothing for the entire game to date.
Classic D1 scum behaviour - especially when you add in how chirpy he gets when talking about theory (scum always feel comfortable discussing theory over anything else).
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I'm stuck in conf bias for someone who became my scum read ~3 hours ago? Mhm, sure.
Why are you suggesting that Hawk is not the optimal lynch? What is the optimal lynch and why?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Hawk's rebuttal was mostly theory talk and wishy-washy comments that didn't really go anywhere. If I feel the need to respond to it later today when I have more time, I'll do so.
I haven't dodged your question - you asked why he is being lynched for coasting. I'm saying that's not why he is being lynched. What more do you want me to say?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You want to play Semantics?
Because I'm not about that life. I said inactivity, you said you didn't say that, so I changed it to what you said.
I see that you're going to try and pick a problem with whatever I say. I'm cool with that.
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This post is nasssty.In post 513, Antihuman wrote: I'm not townreading him but I feel like his lynch's just "too easy". I can't recall the last time I lynched somebody for 'not being towny enough' and they actually flipped scum. Which is also why I'm not too happy about my prolonged stay on moz's wagon
I can see your reasoning but I don't think this is necessarily a rule. However, I don't see him as scum too.In post 511, boring wrote:.
Snarky has given us non-sheep reads. For example, BBT isn't exactly a heavy favorite for today's lynch. He feels confident enough to pop in, say he thinks BBT is scum, and then turn his back. It's a very bold move for scum. If he was scum, he'd more more likely to sheep and agree with the majority.
What about the Hawk lynch was 'easy'? Where did you get that from?
I detect a tad bit of buddying from Anti to boring here with the comments relating to SS.
How would you feel about lynching Moz?In post 520, Hawk wrote: I'm literally at work trying to form a reads list and responded to all your call outs for early game shit. Lynch me if you want but when I flip green you'll be no closer to winning if you really are town. Which I don't think you are.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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What do you like about Anti's posting?In post 529, Alisae wrote:I like Fitz and AH's words.
Why not?In post 532, Alisae wrote:
Gut and currently I can't.In post 496, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What about their tone tells you they're town? Can you give specific examples of 'how they've been playing' that makes you think they're town as well please?
How did you rule out TvT or SvS in this situation? What specifically tells out it is TvS?In post 534, Alisae wrote:I'm convinced BBT v Hawk is TvS. Can't figure out who the scum is in this situation.
So I'ma just sheep this
VOTE: Hawk
[/quote]In post 539, -Grey- wrote: I'd rather Lynch mozamis, though. He's done nothing to change my read since I voted him.
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Ah fuck, forgot about Alisae.In post 572, havingfitz wrote:You obviously do.....why?
I wanted to try and create a small lynch pool but for some reason I'm struggling to do it. I would also lynch Alisae so I'll put Anti on the backburner for now.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I think the earlier miscommunication was genuine but that comment reads super awkward to me and I think you look like a strong player and Anti may be trying to buddy to stay on your good side.In post 573, boring wrote:It's an interesting thought. However, I think if Anti were trying to buddy me, he wouldn't borderline misrep me at every interaction (I say borderline because I'm leaning toward it being genuine miscommunication, as in, we just function on different wavelengths).
Pp-edit: BBT, I might be able to do Moz. The look of the game would have to change for me to vote Anti now. Why not Empking?
I don't feel like Emp is scum - it's super hard to justify because he isn't doing much. There is also a lack of information gained from lynching Emp right now which makes me even less interested in doing it.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I now seem confident in my town read.
I still don't see how that's flailing.
The speed of my wagon and lack of resistance should be telling you something. But I'mma let you work that out for yourself.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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