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In post 11, Formerfish wrote:That sounds like something scum would say. You afraid to put a vote down on someone?
Im not no punk little boy on the school yard. I fought my entire life against people like you, i was fighting in a secret club beforr you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye. You wanna know where i was born boy? Huh? Well ill tell you.
Spoiler: This is your answer
Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air
In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.
I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought, "Nah, forget it."
– "Yo, home to Bel-Air."
I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later."
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air
Actually i was born in detroit but thats neither here nor there.
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Post #82 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:17 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 19, Formerfish wrote:I'll be around if anyone wants to engage with me/dance.
I'm Formerfish by the way, one of you resident SE's or semi-experienced players. I am here to help you through the beginning of your time here at Mafia Scum. If you have any questions shoot them my way, or to any of the SE's and the IC.
In post 11, Formerfish wrote:That sounds like something scum would say. You afraid to put a vote down on someone?
Im not no punk little boy on the school yard. I fought my entire life against people like you, i was fighting in a secret club beforr you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye. You wanna know where i was born boy? Huh? Well ill tell you.
Spoiler: This is your answer
Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air
In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.
I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought, "Nah, forget it."
– "Yo, home to Bel-Air."
I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later."
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air
Actually i was born in detroit but thats neither here nor there.
You going to actually answer the question? I could easily make this vote real.
Ill put a vote down.
VOTE: Down
In post 19, Formerfish wrote:I'll be around if anyone wants to engage with me/dance.
I'm Formerfish by the way, one of you resident SE's or semi-experienced players. I am here to help you through the beginning of your time here at Mafia Scum. If you have any questions shoot them my way, or to any of the SE's and the IC.
Hi, i am Jin, i am also an SE, future IC in the making, here to help you with serious answers. Feel free to ask the IC (TierShift i believe) any questions and if he doesnt jump on the question then i gladly will.
Partially cause he voted for me, and partially because i dont think there would be 2 inexperienced scums on their first game (thered be 1 experienced person there to guide the other newbie).
This is very bad reason for a vote wich seems kinda serious (aka not RVS). This is probably explained tho.
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Post #85 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:23 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 28, Formerfish wrote:Jin. I am attempting to figure out your motivation in avoiding RVS. I did a quick dive into your ego search and saw that you don't always start your games this way, and that you have engaged in RVS before.
Why are you being so obstinate about RVS now? You seem like you've been around long enough to know that nonparticipation is frowned upon, and why that would be true.
I kinda don't understand why people think that refusal to participate in RVS (at least in fir ing wagons and all that) should be considered anti-town or at least THAT suspicious. People do tend to make a big deal about it, bur honestly, it is scum who want the RVS to go on as long as possible, as it gives them enough time to mash up with time and build up there mask.
I won't argue that RVS is a must in every game, since without it, it would be almost impossible to get the game truly started.
In post 28, Formerfish wrote:Jin. I am attempting to figure out your motivation in avoiding RVS. I did a quick dive into your ego search and saw that you don't always start your games this way, and that you have engaged in RVS before.
Why are you being so obstinate about RVS now? You seem like you've been around long enough to know that nonparticipation is frowned upon, and why that would be true.
I figured i would try out RSPS (Random Shit Posting Stage). I am shitpostng to mess with you. Plus i am semi-vla until the 17th visiting my daughter and i dont want to place a RVS vote and get busy with spending time with her, not be able to get back to unvote and have my vote lurkparked, then a quicklynch is run up on who i vote, and be on a townflip that was an RVS vote for me.
Ummm, this post is giving me strong scum vibes. Firstly as much as I enjoy the stage you call RSPS (I enjoy shit posting as a whole lol), saying that you do it to mess with people is exactly scum motivation. Also your reasoning behind why you not being to remove your RVS could be dangerous is really bad (not the fact that you are visiting your daughter, this is great ^^). I usually keep my RVS vote for a hella long time. Scum usually don't tend to quicklynch RVS wagons, as it is plain dumb and obvious.
I'm pretty sure that you need to have an encryptor for a day chat, or otherwise it would be mentioned in the OP. This is a strange question to ask IMO.
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Post #88 (isolation #8) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:31 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 48, MooginSoosy wrote:So while we're asking questions, I'd like to know why formerfish is going after jin so much still after he explained he wasn't going to be around much until the 17th. I still think jin is being suspicious, but is it worth it to continue to question someone who isn't going to be around for a little while? Wouldn't it make more sense to also question other people rather than stick to one person in this phase?
We actually both just finished a game together and he mishammered based on an impossible scenario. Like not an unlikely scenario, but literally an impossible scenario. (Will try to make a meaningful post when I finish with morning classes)
Lol. That's all I will say about that game. Funny that it was hosted by the same mod O_O
I'm pretty sure that you need to have an encryptor for a day chat, or otherwise it would be mentioned in the OP. This is a strange question to ask IMO.
What???? How could this be a strange thing to ask? We literally just played a game and you called me practically confirmed town for asking this very question in LyLo... and I was town...
In post 93, nydushermain wrote:Ignore above... I didn't ask in the prior game. I just assumed that there was a day chat.
I don't like voting without a good enough reason. Also I'm curently getting a feel of everybody and this takes time. I don't see a reason to vote somebody I don't intend to lynch atm.
In post 120, nydushermain wrote:Tiershift reminds me of accountant's play style from last game.
Nothing simular.
Maybe nothing to you since you lurked early day 1.
I didn't lurk. I just wasn't interested much xD
It was Alisae who told me to get my first game. Untill I actually started playing, I was kinda iffy about it all. Also I had health issues around that time.
In post 11, Formerfish wrote:That sounds like something scum would say. You afraid to put a vote down on someone?
Im not no punk little boy on the school yard. I fought my entire life against people like you, i was fighting in a secret club beforr you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye. You wanna know where i was born boy? Huh? Well ill tell you.
Spoiler: This is your answer
Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air
In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.
I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought, "Nah, forget it."
– "Yo, home to Bel-Air."
I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later."
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air
Actually i was born in detroit but thats neither here nor there.
You going to actually answer the question? I could easily make this vote real.
Ill put a vote down.
VOTE: Down
In post 19, Formerfish wrote:I'll be around if anyone wants to engage with me/dance.
I'm Formerfish by the way, one of you resident SE's or semi-experienced players. I am here to help you through the beginning of your time here at Mafia Scum. If you have any questions shoot them my way, or to any of the SE's and the IC.
Hi, i am Jin, i am also an SE, future IC in the making, here to help you with serious answers. Feel free to ask the IC (TierShift i believe) any questions and if he doesnt jump on the question then i gladly will.
The vote seems forced.
I don't know you yet, but this is sarcasm correct?
In post 28, Formerfish wrote:Jin. I am attempting to figure out your motivation in avoiding RVS. I did a quick dive into your ego search and saw that you don't always start your games this way, and that you have engaged in RVS before.
Why are you being so obstinate about RVS now? You seem like you've been around long enough to know that nonparticipation is frowned upon, and why that would be true.
I kinda don't understand why people think that refusal to participate in RVS (at least in fir ing wagons and all that) should be considered anti-town or at least THAT suspicious. People do tend to make a big deal about it, bur honestly, it is scum who want the RVS to go on as long as possible, as it gives them enough time to mash up with time and build up there mask.
I won't argue that RVS is a must in every game, since without it, it would be almost impossible to get the game truly started.
Scum hide in the fact that they are unable to be caught up in anything. If they avoid someone they can point us in that direction. If they focused on one person we can figure things out about their alignment as well. When someone chooses not to participate in RVS they deny town the ability to gain whatever information they can.
What information can you really get from RVS tho? It's a game starter. Really it only helps when you analyze a scumflup's post in RVzs in hopes of finding a potential parthner, but even so, I find that in RVS I talk with whoever has somethig to say, wich most of the time is shitpost.
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Post #167 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:07 pm
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 130, Formerfish wrote:I kinda want to hang one of the replacements simply for the fact that more often than not replace outs in newbie games are scum.
In post 136, Formerfish wrote:See, I thought that you might have been talking about that stuff. I don't really know how to answer you here. As an SE I'm here to teach as well as play. Pointing out the proper play as town is part of what I do here. Also, I don't know how to play town any other way that working off the knowledge that I am town and playing accordingly.
That makes sense, but I also haven't seen anyone else mention that they're town. Most of the people have jyst mentioned that other people might be scum/talking about scummy actions.
I do appreciate that you admitted that you didn't know how to answer and seem cool and collected rather than immediately going on the defense. You are an experienced player as well, so that might be playing a factor in the tone of your response.
It all depends on meta and a set persons playstyle. I wild meta for town is to not really try and look like town (since this is mostly what scum do), but still show thst you are working in the interest of town since in the end you actually are.
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Post #169 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:12 pm
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 141, JackChaos wrote:Okay... form reads. Moogin seems a newbie like me so mostly harmless ALTHOUGH THAT COULD be a total bluff and one of us could murder your granny with a hammer.
Formerfish seems really aggressive but I'm guessing he's just a grizzled veteran of forums mafia. He's probably a townie.
Fykus is super friendly so I'm going to have to assume he's a total serial killer irl maybe in game as well. Tiershift is a scholar and a gentleman. Nydushermain I don't know what to think. I rather like the pink checkered avatar but that's about all I know of them. Pep seems like he wants a fair game so probably a mafia member. Toto is quiet.
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Post #171 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:17 pm
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 156, Toto wrote:He is actually trying to gamesolve. Town needs to do that in oder to figure out who is scum and who isn't. Scum on the other hand don't need to figure out too much so they don't need to gamesolve. You can tell sometimes by the way they don't try to solve the game.
No town do not need to gamesolve...that is going too far imo. They need to try and deduse the good from the bad, but zi find thst members that try too fard and want to gamesolve in the first ten pages are prolly scum. Just an opinion.
In post 130, Formerfish wrote:I kinda want to hang one of the replacements simply for the fact that more often than not replace outs in newbie games are scum.
Ding ding dong, brilliant idea.
Nope. I studied the raw data used for those statistics and they are BS. So unless you guys have a case we are not.
I don Actually understand at who this is directed, nor what it actually means lol.
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Post #194 (isolation #27) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:26 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 184, JackChaos wrote:It seems to me like this game is built on paranoia and paranoia leads to bad judgement. We'd be better on random lynching first round and seeing how everyone reacts after.
That's just my two cents in gamerlogic.
The game is not built on paranoia. It is moving at a good state and is relatively nice for now. I don't like your gamelogic tho. This semes like somethignscum would say to try adn lead to a misslynch.
In post 180, Pepchoninga wrote:I get town feels from Toto. Mostly gut for now, but I like him for now.
You may be getting town feels, but do you think his line of thinking is correct?
I find it strange that he suddenly became pretty active and aggressive. I see from where is going, tho I don't think I can keep up with his case on you.
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Post #294 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:50 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 237, Toto wrote:Because if he really is a PR we can tell whether he is telling the truth or not in newbies set up immediatelly. Im basically asking him to prove Im wrong about him being scum but he doesn't want to do it.
Im fine dropping this for today but if this scumfuck is alive tomorrow he better claims immediatelly in d2.
I find it finny that you soo actively pushing for a claim, when there is zero reason for it. There really is no benefit from that. We shouldn't even be talking about PR thst much day 1.
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Post #295 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:54 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 257, Toto wrote:I don't follow. It would only reveal the potential set up we are playing. Say you claim doctor.
That means there can not be any Jailkeeper or Bulletproof. So if anyone else is a Doctor, Jailkeeper or Bulletproof they would counter claim. If they are cop or tracker they would just say 'No counter claim', same as everyone else. If everyone says 'No counter-claim' you are confirmed. If someone counter claims we lynch you.
And now he is talking about setup props. Why would a power role ever reveal itself day one like that. Especially people like the doctor that don't really have any benefit from revealing until late game if they end up living for that long. If they do claim:
1) Scum can easily counterclaim and either get the player lynched or kill them at night.
2) scum can do nothing and laugh as they kill the player without anybody noticing.
I think that moogin is a good lynch as well but I feel like toto is just acting obviously scummy. Toto's role flip helps me a lot as well but either way, I think this is more likely to be scum than not.
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Post #307 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:14 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 303, Formerfish wrote:I am town and I'll claim at the time of my choosing and in the manner I decide.
See that's the beauty of being a PR. There is no ambiguity about my play because eventually I will be shuffled off this mortal coil. Then is when the fun starts because if you don't get lynched today, Toto, you probably will tomorrow when I flip green as fuck.
So you saying that you belive that you will be killed.
In post 257, Toto wrote:I don't follow. It would only reveal the potential set up we are playing. Say you claim doctor.
That means there can not be any Jailkeeper or Bulletproof. So if anyone else is a Doctor, Jailkeeper or Bulletproof they would counter claim. If they are cop or tracker they would just say 'No counter claim', same as everyone else. If everyone says 'No counter-claim' you are confirmed. If someone counter claims we lynch you.
And now he is talking about setup props. Why would a power role ever reveal itself day one like that. Especially people like the doctor that don't really have any benefit from revealing until late game if they end up living for that long. If they do claim:
1) Scum can easily counterclaim and either get the player lynched or kill them at night.
2) scum can do nothing and laugh as they kill the player without anybody noticing.
Your thinking is comming from scum perspective.
Scum like to fly under the radar. I had already seen the PR softclaim. I had 0 reasons as scum to even bring it up.
This ain't completely true. In newbies, yes, probably.
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Post #313 (isolation #41) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:25 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 310, Toto wrote:Tier please tell us if fish claiming his role would confirm if he is lying or not. You are the IC and can not lie about game theory.
Fish, if you are town scum already know you are a PR. You don't lose anything by claiming your actual role.
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Post #368 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:51 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 359, nydushermain wrote:@pep, now that toto has claimed that he's not a PR, does it still scare you that people might hammer? Were you afraid of a hammer before anyone asked toto what his role was?
I wasn't afraid. I just wanted more personal interaction with Toto, also wanted to see how he would respond to the situation he already was in. He continued to do the same old shit and regardless of his allingment this is just very bad play.
Rolefishing so blatantly is something scum don't do because it makes them a likely lynch target, especially in a newbie game. Town are more indifferent towards getting lynched and will just do whatever they THINK is the correct play.
I can't be sure about Fykus because he's dumbtelling all over the place and that makes him hard to read but I am town and not sure that I feel TvS wagon here.
How are you in Totos slot tho? Isn't he still in a Newbie spot xD
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Post #403 (isolation #50) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:12 am
Postby Pepchoninga »
In post 395, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also holy fuck how is there a wagon on my slot my predecessor was obvtown. You're voting him for being an idiot, not for being scum.
Honestly, when you are an idiot you should get pressured and in the end lynched. Acting like an idiot doesn't help town in any way.
In post 584, MooginSoosy wrote:Now what I'm confused about is how both fykus and jack are saying "hang me if you want you'll see you're wrong." That seems super suspicious? If you're town I feel like you shouldn't be so ready to hang, you should be fighting and trying to find someone who actually is scum in order to help the town win. If you're town and you just let yourself die, who does that help?
Naw it's my first game. If someone wants to think I'm scum and hang me, I'll laugh my ass off.
