Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[inspectorscout]

Vote Count 1.14

ConManMick -

[1] Transcend, Pine, Alisae

drealmerz7 -

[0]

Transcend -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

Alisae -

[3] drealmerz7, Indigo, BigYoshiFan

Jaack -

[1] Gamma Emerald

Indigo -

[0]

BigYoshiFan -

[0]

Manuel87 -

[1] gerryoat

PeregrineV -

[0]

Gamma Emerald -

[1] PeregrineV

PenguinPower -

[0]

Lemon Tree -

[0]

ironstove -

[0]

kuror0 -

[0]

Pepchoninga -

[1] Manuel87

Ramcius -

[4] Jaack, Pepchoninga

gerryoat -

[2] ConManMick, ironstove

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, Ramcius

Mod Notes –

ironstove is V/LA until 15 januari.
Prodding Indigo and

prod king

Gamma Emerald.

With 18 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2017-01-23 01:24:08).

[Pine]

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Votecount after I finish my exam. Please bear with me.

NO

VOTECOUNT NOW

BAD MOD

NO COOKIE

But but... D:

[Pepchoninga]

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Votecount after I finish my exam. Please bear with me.

NO

VOTECOUNT NOW

BAD MOD

NO COOKIE

Can I get a cookie then?

[Pepchoninga]

O
Votecount after I finish my exam. Please bear with me.

Good luck on your exam ^^

Thank

[Transcend]

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Votecount after I finish my exam. Please bear with me.

NO

VOTECOUNT NOW

BAD MOD

NO COOKIE

Can I get a cookie then?

You already got 12. Did you finish them already?

[Manuel87]

i'm ok with the mick wagon i guess. but i think manuel is more scummy. mick was drunk when he made those awful posts so it makes me wanna give him the benefit of the doubt

So you asked me for my scumread on you.
I gave my reasoning and have yet to see anyone that is defending you to argue about the points i made.
The best i got so far is " I think there is a decent amount of reaching in his case on gerry"
But that statement is just a way to devalue my points without arguing about them.

2.) His second scumread is Gamma, who hasnt talked in 2 days I believe. This is another safe scumread because not only is he not here to defend himself, but he can just say he thought that gamma is lurking right now. Since this is a the lurker, it makes it a good middle scumread.

3.) His third scumread is Pep. Who is looking more and more like lynchbait. If you see the amount of pressure and votes that have been piling up on pep, I think that he thought this was a safe last scumread just to throw in at the end, because since others scumread him, he won't be questioned much on it.

I have played 2 games with town!Gamma and in neither he was inactive. That can be because of RL so i wouldnt read him scum for that alone but on top of that the only posts he made when he was active were mostly unhelpful spam. For somebody with 52 posts thats quite an achievment. And i dont remember Gamma going that hard into unhelpful spam. In our last game together he even suggested replacing out because of the earlygame spam.

Pep tried to throw shade at me and i called him out for it so tell me how exactly i was using the arguments others made for my scumread? You say he is looking more and more like lynchbait. Doesnt that imply that you yourself think he is scummy? How do you come to the conclusion that he is lynchbait?

Btw you are trying way to hard to tell everyone that you are town. What is the reason to mention that every time you get a chance?

[gerryoat]

Btw you are trying way to hard to tell everyone that you are town. What is the reason to mention that every time you get a chance?

Hey, I think you just copied what alisae said. and it's obviously me doing it as a joke, as i answered to him. but nice try.

[gerryoat]

btw guys im town.

r u triggered, manuel

[Ramcius]

Pep, i will mock you as much as i want, cause you making clown of yourself and my patience have limits, and keep in mind - as long as i mock you, i'm not going hard after you

P-edit: post inflating still here, just look at Pep, almost 5 posts in a row in this page, other pages similar

Manuel gave big case on gerry, his entrance and interaction with you looks towny, vote on Pep justified, Pep tried provoke him and got what deserved

This post is just comming from a scum. Bad one.

Use the english language to explain why.

He makes it look like mocking someone constantly is a) a good townish thing...b) he is implying I should be grateful that he isn't going full on guns and blazers on me.

Also, how is me making 5 posts one after the other a bad thing? I have this to comment on when I catch up and I do. Manuel has contributed far less than what I've done to move the discussion forward. He is mostly lynching me for reasons that other gave.

And this is why you deserve rope

a) go back and read your latest posts full "lol" and "bad", sounds like hardcore mocking, isn't it? Yet you make sound like mocking is scum sign
b) ofc you should, but if you want hard way, let's do it

explain me your neutral POV, cause neutral means you stand between 2 or more faction or whatever you want call it, so 1 is town, what are other(s), cause you clearly said to me you don't try look game from town POV, when i called you on that, and that was start of your tunnel towards me

i explained why, we have 35 pages already, it makes harder to read game, makes harder read your ISO

When i said Manuel did more than you? I said i feel Manuel posts genuine, while your provocative and vague posts often don't make any sense as town

[Transcend]

Hbd Gamma

[Manuel87]

Btw you are trying way to hard to tell everyone that you are town. What is the reason to mention that every time you get a chance?

Hey, I think you just copied what alisae said. and it's obviously me doing it as a joke, as i answered to him. but nice try.

What he said was similar but not the same try again. And you think it is funny because?

btw guys im town.
r u triggered, manuel

Yes, triggered into thinking you are actually a

<insert swear word>

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VOTE: gerryoat
Still no argument why my case is supposed to be bad. Just more stupidity to hide the fact you arent scumhunting at all.

[inspectorscout]

Language.

[Manuel87]

Language.

[Manuel87]

Hbd Gamma

The way you wish someone a happy birthday on facebook if you don't like them, sometimes in hopes to stir up a fb fight.

[Transcend]

935 was a scum claim btw

[Transcend]

Manny/Mick probably separate factions. I doubt they put two of their eggs on one obv town lynch.

[Manuel87]

Manny/Mick probably separate factions. I doubt they put two of their eggs on one obv town lynch.

Gerry is obv town only to you yet you cant explain why. But by now i am used to your awkward townreads on scummy ppl but once he flips red i will still FoS you.

[Transcend]

Lol

[Transcend]

Gerry is one of my heaviest reads in the game with substantial logic that you neglect to acknowledge.

[Manuel87]

Gerry is one of my heaviest reads in the game with substantial logic that you neglect to acknowledge.

I fail to understand your logic but you might want to enlighten me by explaining it.

[Ramcius]

Manny/Mick probably separate factions. I doubt they put two of their eggs on one obv town lynch.

i would like hear reasoning why gerry is obv town? All i see from him is being jester and provocative

[Ramcius]

Big wall of text in spoiler, so consider yourself warned

Spoiler:

Um, I wasn't really asking you that question but ok.
Describe to me your throught process currently.
And I wouldn't be so sure if it's right since we don't exactly have any flips yet.
With that said, also if you provide me with reads that'll be cool.

I don't exactly have finished reads. I dislike Trans and Ram.

that's where Pep came after me, till this he was on my side more or less, but when i called him out for his neutral POV, he said that

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Um, I wasn't really asking you that question but ok.
Describe to me your throught process currently.
And I wouldn't be so sure if it's right since we don't exactly have any flips yet.
With that said, also if you provide me with reads that'll be cool.

I don't exactly have finished reads. I dislike Trans and Ram.

why you don't like me? Cause i question you this time?

Mostly gut for now, but your way of playing has changed much more drastically then me. You were much more active and aggressive.

meta

2. Nah. Plus getting roasted by Pine is nothing new.
3. I think you implied that you two are the same alignment.
VOTE: Pep

Yep, your reads are bad. I'm not the same alignment with him. He put me on the bottom of his reads ffs.

How you know you not same alignment? Assuming you town, cause town don't know each other, and putting you on bottom on readlist not makes him scum

I never implied that we weren't. I said that I don't like him. And I'm talking from a netrial perspective cu that's the way I talk.

you just quoted your words that you not same alignment with him, how you know?

Um, I wasn't really asking you that question but ok.
Describe to me your throught process currently.
And I wouldn't be so sure if it's right since we don't exactly have any flips yet.
With that said, also if you provide me with reads that'll be cool.

I don't exactly have finished reads. I dislike Trans and Ram.

why you don't like me? Cause i question you this time?

Mostly gut for now, but your way of playing has changed much more drastically then me. You were much more active and aggressive.

really? i already pushed Alisae a bit, Trrancended later, now i'm pushing you, and it's not micro newbie game, i can't go guns blazing and expect everyone follow my lead, and town have no reason to talk from neutral POV, they have majority, they decide who lives and dies every day, it's mafia and 3p have try compromises, and you not giving me town vibes at all now

Ok, A little but of misunderstanding. From his PoV I'm not the same alignment as him. He wouldn't put me in there exept if you want to interprete it as some WIFOM.

As I said gut feeling. I don't say you don't do anything. I'm saying you have changed on a tactical level. As you saw in the Newbie game your attitude and aggression almost got big results. That is why in the end you were killed. Here you seem fake. This is yet to be confrimed, but it is there.

again meta, "i changed on tactical level"

Gerry thoughts on Pep?
In my head I keep on flipfloping from misunderstood townie because of his overall play to scum because he attempted to either discredit Ram's slot or get Ram to scumclaim.

BTW Pep about this, what answer were you expecting from town!Ram? What answer were you expecting form scum!Ram. Also you never answered this:

Pep what does that response tell you about Ramcius?
Why did you ask it in the first place?

Nothing good unfortunately.

And I did because I wanna see the response. It's an easy question and the answer says alot. The fact that he think I wanted to get him to make a scum slip is just confirming that he is trying to hard.

Why is that response not good?

Getting the quotes you wanted now.

Nothing could really be a good question from him. Tho in a situation like this I would've expected a more serious answer with power behind it from a town!Ram then thenlight hearted Ram I got that puts smiles after almost every post. It is gut to some extent but pretty strong one too.

meta

Pep what does that response tell you about Ramcius?
Why did you ask it in the first place?

Nothing good unfortunately.

And I did because I wanna see the response. It's an easy question and the answer says alot. The fact that he think I wanted to get him to make a scum slip is just confirming that he is trying to hard.

Why is that response not good?

Not good may be going to far. Not satisfying for the way I read the slot -more like it.

you literally asked me if i'm scum, what answer you expected? "oh, you got me, i'm surrender"?

I didn't ask you if you were scum. I asked if you were smart. I did ask if you are a bad scum however. Your inability to see beyond what a question may seem question is quite interesting. You read everything I ask you off as trying to make you scumslip. This just confirms that you don't want people to get you to scumslip. I belive that if you were town you wouldn't react the way you did.

another example of Pep using other game to make expectations on my answers, or in short, yes, meta

The entire segment with me is exactly why I scumread him and if you are town and you belive he is town you should be trying to explain exactly why, like the way you explained your gerry read.

A scumread is very different from a townread. My read on him might also be influenced by my scumread on you though. If i had to name a reason i would say gut. His posts just come of genuine to me.
He has a certain aggression that doesnt feel forced.

To some extent yes, many people base meta on other games too. It should never be anything close to a leading factor tho. It is but a guideline for a better view on the player you at hand and helps with the analysis as you have an idea of how a person generally thinks. From then on tho, I'm pursuing in gaining more food on you, so I can form a read around this game and around solid arguments and not by gut and past game experience. I have stated what I have. I find you attitude disturbing and also your answeres not satisfying.

Maybe it's your questions are bad, not my answers? If someone ask me in serious manner, i answer serious, but you try provoke me, so why you expect serious answers? If you have something against me, we can discuss, but Jaack and Lemon Tree look more serious than yours "you not so aggressive" and obvious provoke attempts

That was the post i started townreading him.

Lol, the thing is he isn't aggressive. He is just calm and puts smilies everywere. He has also tunneled me for a long time on somethings that I answered more then enough times and now he is going on the same route.

Also the post you quoted is bad. I don't see any town in that post tho. He is clearly trying to discredit me when his push is not a much stronger one either.

meta

But i think you should vote Mick or Manny today.

Pedit: yeah but town (especially noob town) tend to flail under pressure and tend to demotivate themselves from solving the game as they don't know how to adequately respond to pressure.

He isn't just falling under pressure. He is still trying to mock me and in some cases tryis to keep that smilely attitude. This is not town. Or it shouldn't be.

Also Pine made a great point (I belive it was him lol). He is too focused on blindly defending himself and not trying to actually prove that we are wrong. You know the perfect quote for here is "actions speak louder then words"

my smiley attitude is bad, cause i wasn't so in other game, and it's not towny (seems loling is towny on other hand)

and now Pep opinion on using meta

Pep what does that response tell you about Ramcius?
Why did you ask it in the first place?

Nothing good unfortunately.

And I did because I wanna see the response. It's an easy question and the answer says alot. The fact that he think I wanted to get him to make a scum slip is just confirming that he is trying to hard.

Why is that response not good?

Not good may be going to far. Not satisfying for the way I read the slot -more like it.

you literally asked me if i'm scum, what answer you expected? "oh, you got me, i'm surrender"?

I didn't ask you if you were scum. I asked if you were smart. I did ask if you are a bad scum however. Your inability to see beyond what a question may seem question is quite interesting. You read everything I ask you off as trying to make you scumslip. This just confirms that you don't want people to get you to scumslip. I belive that if you were town you wouldn't react the way you did.

I said "smart scum" in my post to Alisae, you right after asked if i'm smart, i can make connection here easily, considering you accused me before, i did assumption you want me to scumslip to give reason for push on me, your "you not so aggressive like in other game" is by far too weak and NAI to push for my lynch. Also, your belief on my town reaction is based on my meta from other game?

To some extent yes, many people base meta on other games too. It should never be anything close to a leading factor tho. It is but a guideline for a better view on the player you at hand and helps with the analysis as you have an idea of how a person generally thinks. From then on tho, I'm pursuing in gaining more food on you, so I can form a read around this game and around solid arguments and not by gut and past game experience. I have stated what I have. I find you attitude disturbing and also your answeres not satisfying.

i still waiting solid arguments from him

I really wish you'd use your vote though

Even if it's on me, i like reading progression through the game and deciding if it's genuine or not.

My vote will come when I'm comfortable enough with it.

can i hear arguments that make you comfortable enough to vote me?

I'm not sure I like how pepcho has thrown a decent amount of shade around since coming under scrutiny.

Which is to say, I don't like it but in kinda agree with his point in 430, and I don't particularly like manuel's response to it.

Understandable. I do throw shade sometimes unintentionally since this is mostly my personality when I point out things I don't like. I do make cases and yes I do scumhunt and this will be shown when I get a good feeling about a SR.

i find this interesting, he very defensive here, he admit he trow shade unintentionally, and he does scumhunt, but then we have

Rules number 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 of mafia - fake day vig shots are fake.

I'm also finding it hard to care too much about this gerry/ConManMick thing. So let's go back in time to interesting stuff.

I'm not sure I like how pepcho has thrown a decent amount of shade around since coming under scrutiny.

Which is to say, I don't like it but in kinda agree with his point in 430, and I don't particularly like manuel's response to it.

Understandable. I do throw shade sometimes unintentionally since this is mostly my personality when I point out things I don't like. I do make cases and yes I do scumhunt and this will be shown when I get a good feeling about a SR.

I don't really like this response the more I think about it. I feel like pepcho is trying too hard to get on my good side. I gave him a little breathing room and he just straight up agrees with my scumfeels about him.

It's to buttery for my tastes. I'd still prefer a Ramcius wagon, but this is fine too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pepchoninga

Focus on a better wagon. If you think throwing shade is always scummy then you are in a big misunderstanding...also you have never played with -Grey-

Don't really care wether I'm on your good side or not, as long as you are willing to cooperate with the rest to have a good discussion and ultimately achieving our alignment's goal.

Pep telling trowing shade isn't scummy, dunno for others, but for me trowing shade "is" scummy

Or Pep you can play like lynchbait and figure out who is the scum on your wagon.

or get lynched and don't know why, which is more likely, when try being lynchbait - smart scums avoid lynchbait wagons

Are you smart?

no, i'm not

So you are dumb scum?

perfect example of Pep trowing shade, it's doesn't matter what i would answer, he would called me scum

Scumpile: Pepchoninga, Alisae, ConManMick, kuror0
Townreads: Transcend, gerryoat

Here's where I'm at for the moment.
I don't like the way Mick and kuror0 started reacting to gerryoat's reaction to being shot at all. I think they're intimidated by Transcend and his read on gerry.

Hmmm, why do you TR Trans? What did you make of his reads?

Don't you find his actions rather inconsistent?

Answered already. Show me where you find his actions inconsistent?

I never said I find his actions inconsistent. I asked if you do.

And could you point your answer? I may have missed it, or not given it enough though, or somehow forgotten it.

again, another attempt to trow shade on Trans for scumreading Pep, he inclined Yoshi should see Trans inconsistent, while Pep don't find Trans inconsistent

Ughh, I don't like how you try to compliment Trans and think this is gonna get you off his SRs

I actually thought about saying something else because ppl could view it as AtE but seeing who tries to throw shade at me for stating my honest opinion gives me more information so thanks for that.
Oh and i dont know how much selfesteem you have but personally i wouldnt compliment someone if i didnt mean it just to win a mafiagame.
VOTE: Pepchoninga

I'm sorry but this makes zero sense.

Pep tried trown shade on Manuel for TR Trans, while Trans SR Manuel, then Manuel called Pep out for that, and Pep just tried shake it off without trying to get to bottom of it

Pep, welcome on receiving end of my aggression, i really hoped i could have more civil game this time

[kuror0]

Sorry got sick and haven't been available. Will try to catch up today.

[Gamma Emerald]

V/LA until tuesday

[PeregrineV]

The only thing I think is shitty is his TR on Pere. To me it just feels baseless and low effort.

I think it indicates a greater intelligence and awareness.

Seriously, it's the little things that add up to the reads, and I've gone with single posts before to decide how I feel about a player.