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Post Post #585 (isolation #0) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:07 pm

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Hey hey hey!!!

Apparently there's some heels that need some smacking. And when Randy Orton is in the house he brings the pain!!! So get ready for a spectacle folks because those heels won't know what hit them!

Well after I do this awesome thing called examining the ring (reading the thread). Then scum smackage shall commence.
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Post Post #586 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:11 pm

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Pepchoninga give me a reason why you are Town. I would lynch you right now.

Got confused as to if Pep or Peptonclaimed masons so I started my indepth with the other thread.

I think that thread is Titus+DS or Maria+Pepto. I think everyone else especially Grey is town. Just on reads I would say Titus for trying to get rid of the mason claims but something doesn't sit right with me about it.

Going to finish indepth here but based on my light read I would say Nero and Almost Chara are town. If they aren't Eris help us this thread would be deader than a game at the old Saint Louis Rams stadium.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:32 pm

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Subject: WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Pre-Twilight of Day Two)
MariaR wrote:I don't think we should ever use our vig shots to kill btw we get much more info by lynching
this games for Raw aswell
This post doesn't sit right.

I don't see a mason vig team having multiple shots or seeing why they would direct the raw side unless they had scum over here.

I also believe MariaR and Pepto are of the same alignment but just not Town. Hard to put into words why at 12:30 at night but I want to finish this debate in my head so I am using the thread to do it.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:39 pm

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Wouldn't lynch would be A50 and Nero they are the ones actually putting in effort. I know effort is not alignment indicative but at this point we need all the effort and scumhunting we can get.

A50 and Nero gotta be of the same alignment to me because of a post I think would be dumb to cite. Not seeing where Nero and AChara scumreads are coming from.

Would lynch is Pepchinga and MsColumbo.
Pepchinga for an ISO that looks like a blow of wind would knock it all over
And MsColumbo for that hammer. Explain it.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:45 pm

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However I also don't like DodgeTheSaint and LUV for splitting the difference on what might as well be masons between Almost Chara and Nero Cain.

So my lynchables are Pepchinga, MsColumbo, Dodge the Saint, and LUV.

Definitely want to see what others thoughts on my reads on this thread are. I want some time to think about the other thread reads.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:47 pm

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Since Almost Chara wants only two names and split the difference I would say Pepchinga and DodgeTheSaint.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #6) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:52 am

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In post 595, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 585, MathBlade wrote:Hey hey hey!!!

Apparently there's some heels that need some smacking. And when Randy Orton is in the house he brings the pain!!! So get ready for a spectacle folks because those heels won't know what hit them!

Well after I do this awesome thing called examining the ring (reading the thread). Then scum smackage shall commence.
This is really poor Randy Orton cosplay... and I wish this was the only issue I had with your catch up.
MathBlade wrote:I think that thread is Titus+DS or Maria+Pepto. I think everyone else especially Grey is town. Just on reads I would say Titus for trying to get rid of the mason claims but something doesn't sit right with me about it.
So at this point your reads are more developed on the OTHER brand than the one you replaced INTO? This can't be real. (It is, because the next post, your second real post in this game is all about the other brand)

Chara I apologize for the snark in the last post, but this is the EXACT thing we discussed yesterday. Mathblade did it nearly point for point.
I don't watch wrestling :/ I am doing my best based on what is in the PM and yes I was more focused on the other thread based on something said here. I understand it looks bad right now but before EoD you will see why and I have a feeling that you will either love it or hate it.
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Post Post #599 (isolation #7) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:53 am

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In post 596, Kmd4390 wrote:Malpa's 524 is bad in so many ways. I don't like the discrediting of the town reads on mcmenno by saying we all assume scum would never use abilities. I don't like things being shrugged off as WIFOM. I don't like the way he says anyone who says mcmenno is obvtown didn't read that post, rather than just disagreed with it. It feels like malpa is just intimidated by a large group of widely townread players which maybe makes me think we are on the right track with that and POE might be enough here (note that if malpa is town that's not necessarily true. Also note that, ironically enough, this would make mcmenno even more obvtown if malpa is scum).

Dodge, Penguin's situation was nothing groundbreaking. The town flip wasn't a shock. It was a deadline lynch and we shouldn't act like it was anything more. That's why I'm not surprised Nero's reads didn't change. Hell, my own didn't. Also, where do you think I've refused to take a stance? I'm only really unsure on Lil(leaning town though), banana mint who hasn't done anything, and vifam who just got here.

Almost chara, pretty sure I see what you are doing here:
Unlynchable: pepchoninga
Lynch: malpa + banana mint
Boo catch up. I am banana mint.
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Post Post #600 (isolation #8) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:00 am

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In post 596, Kmd4390 wrote:Malpa's 524 is bad in so many ways. I don't like the discrediting of the town reads on mcmenno by saying we all assume scum would never use abilities. I don't like things being shrugged off as WIFOM. I don't like the way he says anyone who says mcmenno is obvtown didn't read that post, rather than just disagreed with it. It feels like malpa is just intimidated by a large group of widely townread players which maybe makes me think we are on the right track with that and POE might be enough here (note that if malpa is town that's not necessarily true. Also note that, ironically enough, this would make mcmenno even more obvtown if malpa is scum).

Dodge, Penguin's situation was nothing groundbreaking. The town flip wasn't a shock. It was a deadline lynch and we shouldn't act like it was anything more. That's why I'm not surprised Nero's reads didn't change. Hell, my own didn't. Also, where do you think I've refused to take a stance? I'm only really unsure on Lil(leaning town though), banana mint who hasn't done anything, and vifam who just got here.

Almost chara, pretty sure I see what you are doing here:
Unlynchable: pepchoninga
Lynch: malpa + banana mint
Furthermore I am about to explain why Banana Mint may have had such a rough time with this game.i just want Almost Chara to say they have what they need first. Because things about to get real.
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Post Post #602 (isolation #9) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:07 am

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Answer my question about shots please. I know it is the other thread but humor me please. Why would Mason's have multiple shots?
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Post Post #603 (isolation #10) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:08 am

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Masons*

Fuck my phone
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Post Post #605 (isolation #11) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:17 am

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Doesn't mason multishot vig who also talks with and/or has control over multiple shots in this thread seem a little Op especially looking at my role PM. I am having a hard time buying that MariaR and Pepto are masons.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #12) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:20 am

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Explain why you are Town.

The question about shots is extremely relevant.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #13) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:20 am

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Almost painfully relevant.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #14) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:22 am

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You really think a mason multishot vig exists in mafia? Along with me ....

I am no mafia moderator God but I am pretty damn sure that there is something fishy going on. Especially considering one of the players had a 50/50 heal kill chance.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #15) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:29 am

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In post 376, Vince McMahon wrote:
Vote Count 1.10
Leonshade
(0/7)

Ms. Columbo
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Narna
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light_ganski
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Kmd4390
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Almost Chara
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McMenno
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- DodgeTheSaint
Lil Uzi Vert
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Banana Mint
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Penguinos
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- Almost Chara, Nero Cain, Narna, Leonshade, Kmd4390, McMenno, Ms. Columbo - LYNCH

DodgeTheSaint
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- Penguinos
Nero Cain
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- light_ganski, Lil Uzi Verti
Malpascp
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Not Voting:
Banana Mint, Malpascp


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- Light_Ganski will be prodded. Banana Mint will be prodded (Second time) and Penguinos will be prodded.

Monday Night RAW"And a Pedigree from Triple H on his former Evolution buddy, Ric Flair!"

"I tell you, hwat, King. This does not look good for The Nature Boy!"


Vince McMahon walks out with a microphone in his hands. He has some harsh word to say for the wrestlers in the ring, going down on Ric Flair.

"The next man who lays their foot onto The Nature Boy can job to Eric Bischoff for the next year."

Bischoff smiles and is about to lay another kick onto Ric Flair but Vince stops him.

"That includes you, Mr. Controversy Creates Cash! So if you want to shove your own foot up your own ass, please go ahead. I can make this happen. I'm Vincent Kennedy McMahon, damn it!"

Bischoff's smile fades and backs off.

"Now you, Flair. What the hell are you doing in my ring? You're old. You're feeble. You have no business disgracing our viewers and more importantly, ME, with your grey hair and loose skin You've just proven you can't handle yourself in a ring. Let's see if you can prove yourself in the geriatric ward.



Welcome to WWE Mafia!
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Who are you?
You're one of the veterans. You're the nature boy. You are Ric Flair! WOOO!
Which roster are you with?
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What is your alignment?
You are a
Babyface!
(AKA Face AKA Townie)
What are your abilities?
:
Vote
- You are gifted with the power of a vote! Use it wisely!
Figure Four Leg Lock
- Once per day, you may put someone into this submission and if someone cannot end it, either by action or a vote onto you within forty-eight hours, that person will be lynched.
Diving Knee Drop
- Once per day, you may use this move. Using this impact move on an opponent will make that person unable to vote for forty-eight hours.
What is your win condition?
You win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from your brand.


This thread will be locked until day phase.

It is now time for the WWE Draft! This will last up to forty-eight hours but will end when all entries have been sent in.

The WWE Draft will end 1/4/17 at 12:10 PM


Where is the weak vig in that post? Please explain.

Pretty damn sure not everyone is a vig

FYI my role PM says LyLO can happen before Day Four
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Post Post #612 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:29 am

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@mod can you please fix the spoiler tag above ?
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Post Post #613 (isolation #17) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:30 am

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Make a case why you are Town Dodge. I want to hear it.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:33 am

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In fact I want it from everyone. Talk about how townie you are and pretend your life depends on it.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:40 am

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RKO Dodge The Saint


See I am afraid I am going to have to insist. Because by your posts I don't see it...Tick tock consider this your warning.

Someone better explain why Dodge is town.

Because apparently Randy Orton is an asshole.

Pedit: Stop lying fool. You are troll town.

Who else do you think is spouting nonsense?
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Post Post #621 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:44 am

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In post 620, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Thank you for stepping up and putting your money where your read is. I appreciate it.

Now let's talk about Nero, and how fast you're going to lynch him next day phase.
That was a warning. I haven't done anything yet. My RKO is a warning.

I don't plan on touching Nero when Almost Chara says they are Town based on a reason. If I had a chance in the other thread I would lynch Maria R because there is no way my vig exists with two mason vig shots. And yes I can prove it is a vig. Maria scum slipped hard to me. Why don't you want to talk about that?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #21) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:44 am

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Now are you doing to play ball and make a case why you are Town?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:48 am

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I am making sure I hit the right target and this does no favors. I am scum hunting because as soon as I do this I would likely end the day and I want to let Almost Chara who generally work off interactions to have a chance to read me.

I want people to discuss how they think 4+ Town killing roles makes any sort of sense.

So I am not posturing I am trying to figure out where my shot goes and you are being insufferable.
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Post Post #626 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:56 am

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I think there are two to three scum here in this thread and MariaR and Pepto are two scum in the other. Based on the track record so far and what has been revealed I want to kill scum today take the inevitable NK coming my way after I do vig someone. Someone in Showdown pressure MariaR on why MariaR has multiple shots and then pressure the shit out of Titus one of which should be scum to confirm my theory.

Because the two damn scum in that thread are very likely MariaR and Pepto or Titus and DiamondSentinel. I started with that because I am a fucking vig who has to use their powers before LyLO or Day Four whichever comes first. And quite frankly with that 4 vigs potentially blowing the shit out of mechanics for 5 scum I don't believe the masons claim but Titus is so damn scummy and DS with that now switch to scumreading Titus feels so goddamn fake.

So consider this my wtf and night kill the conf townie in a blaze of glory but I plan on taking scum with me when I go.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #24) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:58 am

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In post 625, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Asking someone to make a town case on themselves is posturing. YOU need to read my posts and decide if I'm town or not. I know I'm town, and I demonstrate that with my posts. It's up to you to decide whether you think my reads are sincere or not. My responsibility is to find scum, not try to whine my way into getting a townread. I'm fulfilling my responsibility because I think I've found scum in Nero. You're responsibility is to decide whether that makes me town or not.

If you think I'm town, than start sincerely engaging me on my scumreads. You said that you think Nero and Chara are town for their activity. That doesn't really convince me of anything. If you truly think Nero is town while I think he's scum, then we have something to discuss. If you want to do set-up speculation based on the other brand that we can't meaningfully do anything about and has nothing to do with the town win condition on RAW, then we have nothing to discuss and you should man up and shoot me.
I think when if you were reading the game you would be attacking A50/Chara instead of Nero because A50/Chara sifted a reason why Nero is town. I would never touch Nero without A50/Chara flipping. I don't like you.
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Post Post #630 (isolation #25) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:58 am

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In post 628, DodgeTheSaint wrote:You know that as long as you remain on RAW, it does not matter what happens on SD?
Bullshit I can still scumhunt both threads I just can't vig across them or I would have.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:01 am

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In post 627, McMenno wrote:maybe a multishot executioner is strong for town... but it would be even stronger for scum

also they said it was conditional somehow
Or *gasp* Maybe it is just MariaR and Pepto are scum together on a failed gambit and their condition is night meaning a night kill. *double gasp*

So shocking right?

Two players given a way to end day immediately multiple times is so Mafia game breaking it is bullshit. At that point the rest of Smackdown might as well not be playing. That Creature take down was terrible.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:04 am

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Love how you completely ignore the A50/Chara first case brilliant Town play. /sarcasm

Almost50/Chara is one of the better Town voices IMHO.

My wincon paraphrasing here is to eliminate all scum from my brand. Which if for some reason I am not night killed which would be dumb then at some point I may merge with the other thread making a new brand based on the first post. I can also switch brands at anytime if I get sent over. So I am scumhunting both threads deal.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #28) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:07 am

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Furthermore if I help the other team get a baby face win then we know this thread will not change. One of the harder things is that with people shifting brands it becomes hard to stabilize things. If we can work together to eliminate the threat of one group then things are stable and it is traditional mafia where things work so much easier. I will scumhunt both threads even if I can't say a word in it.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #29) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:14 am

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What I am saying is that they are liars and cannot stop the day twice and Maria slipped in that post about shots. I think that post was originally meant for a scum PT especially how MariaR references RAW so early like it is an open discussion of how their kills should work.

Given the insane restrictions on my shot I am pretty sure that if Town or scum could vig twice those threads would have very little of a game left. I am saying that just because they have a finishing move together doesn't make them Town.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #30) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:15 am

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In post 639, Nero Cain wrote:
TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!



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Math, I don't think Maria and Pepto are scum. Dodge
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scum (as is Vifam and 2 of Mal, KMD and Uzi) and I m ok with you using your vig on him but don't do it yet until Almost has a chance to get on and wait for me until I get back too (leaving in like an hour)
What time do you get back ish?
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Post Post #643 (isolation #31) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:18 am

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@Nero The alternative is one shot Strongman kill requiring both and then the other shots are NKs.

They may even be neighbors. But no mason makes themselves a target that early by declaring multiple shots. Masons hide so they don't get NK'd.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #32) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:23 am

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To be clear the only reason I haven't shot you yet is my shot ends the fucking day and I want Almost50/Chara to have their actions set and accountable before I fire. I don't trust you at all. However I don't trust most of this thread. Which is a problem.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #33) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:25 am

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Warning initiated with a foot to the face!!!

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Post Post #655 (isolation #34) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:28 am

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In post 653, Vifam wrote:You didn't even kill him you just blocked his vote


DTS is town
That as I said is a warning....

I should watch the video til the end.

Then I take down DTS with a pin and make him unable to vote!!!

Boo yah!
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Post Post #656 (isolation #35) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:29 am

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In post 652, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 647, MathBlade wrote:To be clear the only reason I haven't shot you yet is my shot ends the fucking day and I want Almost50/Chara to have their actions set and accountable before I fire. I don't trust you at all. However I don't trust most of this thread. Which is a problem.

Then I don't see why, if you are town, would just refuse to talk to me (or anyone really) about the things happening in this thread. Fine, you've signed my death warrant. Wouldn't it more worth it to have a thorough understanding of a soon to be confirmed town's reads?
I am talking. Mainly me asking questions and getting ignored blatantly while you shift things to Nero tells me what I need to. I should not have had to repeat myself four times to get my question answered.
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Post Post #659 (isolation #36) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:30 am

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In post 653, Vifam wrote:You didn't even kill him you just blocked his vote


DTS is town
Explain why DTS is town. Do something other than be a useless log.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #37) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:33 am

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In post 657, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 655, MathBlade wrote:
In post 653, Vifam wrote:You didn't even kill him you just blocked his vote


DTS is town
That as I said is a warning....

I should watch the video til the end.

Then I take down DTS with a pin and make him unable to vote!!!

Boo yah!
Actually it was my character, HBK who delivered Sweet Chin Music to JBL. Your character, Randy Orton then hit an RKO on my character. The RKO is a cutter that comes 'outta nowhere'. It's a move where Orton grabs someone by the head and pulls him down face first to the mat.

"DTS is meeting the mat. I bet it smells like scum tears. Wonder what DTS will do next so do we? Will Math bring down the hammer? Omg there is even posting now...More players enter the ring!!! Will the asshole townie take out scum?!?!?!"
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Post Post #666 (isolation #38) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:36 am

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In post 660, Vifam wrote:Can we just lynch McMenno, he's literally done nothing but fencesat and sheep, he's thrown up a vote on Malp but it's pretty weak and he's not actively pushing anything so why
Nero is claimed Town by A50/Chara softing a PR. I have no interest in Nero unless A50/Chara is flipped. Do you see them as scum together?
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Post Post #668 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:38 am

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In post 666, MathBlade wrote:
In post 660, Vifam wrote:Can we just lynch McMenno, he's literally done nothing but fencesat and sheep, he's thrown up a vote on Malp but it's pretty weak and he's not actively pushing anything so why
Nero is claimed Town by A50/Chara softing a PR. I have no interest in Nero unless A50/Chara is flipped. Do you see them as scum together?
Phone fuckup that paragraph is to DTS.

McMenno looks scummy almost always. I am shooting someone today. It will end the day. If you are town you must convince me of such.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:39 am

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In post 667, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
MathBlade wrote:
In post 660, Vifam wrote:Can we just lynch McMenno, he's literally done nothing but fencesat and sheep, he's thrown up a vote on Malp but it's pretty weak and he's not actively pushing anything so why
Nero is claimed Town by A50/Chara softing a PR. I have no interest in Nero unless A50/Chara is flipped. Do you see them as scum together?
I did not know they softclaimed a PR, and I doubt as the Manager they have a further PR. But maybe that changes things, we'll see.
And MathBlade coughs as they are allergic to scum tears...

And also what seems to be bullshit.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:42 am

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In post 670, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I think I know what post you're referring to, and that's not a PR softclaim. But okay, please shoot me because you are so far gone that I cannot help you.
Assume it isn't. Explain why you don't think so. Because the way I see it A50/Chara and Nero are linked and therefore the same alignment.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:47 am

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Especially since I didn't say where and now you instantly no where LOL.

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Post Post #677 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:48 am

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Know where*
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Post Post #681 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:57 am

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Again DTS are you calling A50/Chara scum?

Oh and here is something for your memory:

https://youtu.be/kINLR7a9sZU

Because 12 time world champion asshole in the hizzhouse!
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Post Post #683 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:05 am

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I am asking you for your read on Almost50/Chara DTS. Give it.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:10 am

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In post 678, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 675, MathBlade wrote:Especially since I didn't say where and now you instantly no where LOL.

Elbow to the face of DTS!! Because I am an asshole. (Seriously part of this is I must repeatedly call myself an asshole if I understand my PM right)
You're right, no rational person would ISO Chara to see if he could find a PR softclaim. And such a rational person couldn't find the one thing they said that might be mistaken for such a thing. Nope, not at all.
Yes because a rational person can speed read an entire ISO in 12 minutes and still post stuff.

Taste sweet chin music!
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Post Post #685 (isolation #47) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:12 am

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I will even pretend that you had 15 minutes which makes it a whole 20 seconds a post. Plenty of time to find said PR hint.


Vifam still waiting on your DTS is town case.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #48) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:17 am

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In post 686, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I am not. But I am also treating them as a tree stump as well. To be solidly scum or town at this point is complicated by set-up spec I don't care to get into.

Also the fact that I can read faster than you doesn't make me scum. Also it's pretty easy to press ctrl+f and search for all instances of Nero in their ISO so...
If they are your townread and they said they have game reasons to think someone is Town you either confront them about that and say "Hey A50 what about this?" Or you take their townread of a player for granted. You don't ignore Town reads role results. That is poor town play at best and just plain scum at worse.

Good news is you convinced me if you are Town you are Town derp and both A50/Chara are of the same alignment. If you are scum they are likely of the same alignment.

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Post Post #689 (isolation #49) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:22 am

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Not_An_McMenno_Alt *
Lil Uzi Vert All Alone -- Likely scum with DTS
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Malpascp * -- Likely town troll

I don't like Pep's posts either...So many vig worthy players so little RKO.
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Post Post #690 (isolation #50) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:29 am

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In post 688, MathBlade wrote:
In post 686, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I am not. But I am also treating them as a tree stump as well. To be solidly scum or town at this point is complicated by set-up spec I don't care to get into.

Also the fact that I can read faster than you doesn't make me scum. Also it's pretty easy to press ctrl+f and search for all instances of Nero in their ISO so...
If they are your townread and they said they have game reasons to think someone is Town you either confront them about that and say "Hey A50 what about this?" Or you take their townread of a player for granted. You don't ignore Town reads role results. That is poor town play at best and just plain scum at worse.

Good news is you convinced me if you are Town you are Town derp and both A50/Chara are of the same alignment. If you are scum they are likely of the same alignment.

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Post Post #691 (isolation #51) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:32 am

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DTS I want your read on Pepchinga please.
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Post Post #692 (isolation #52) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:35 am

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(FYI I will never call any other player in this game an asshole...Just more a thing I gotta do. All asshole posts refer to me)
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Post Post #694 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:41 am

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In post 693, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 688, MathBlade wrote:If they are your townread and they said they have game reasons to think someone is Town you either confront them about that and say "Hey A50 what about this?"
Oh you mean like I did in #528?
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Post Post #695 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:41 am

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Fuck my phone. That post is about McMenno. Where is the similar bit for Nero?
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Post Post #696 (isolation #55) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:42 am

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What is your read on Pepchinga?
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Post Post #699 (isolation #56) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:49 am

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I do think you are scum you are right.

The constant attempts to shutdown discussion do not help that read and I am trying to get you to make concrete stances on players so that way when I do vig you if I am wrong there is something to go by.

I don't post for you. You will never scum claim. I post for others and what they will see out of it when I am inevitably NK'd.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #57) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:13 am

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Considering I am a town vig if I didn't counterclaim after that it would be fishy as fuck later. We are not lynching today. I am shooting. The only thing up for debate is who. Then in essence I will be VT but IC as I am counterclaiming and inevitably shot. Yeah considering I have the rough task of countering a mason claim I believe to be fake I had to claim then.

Which means that I have to build four worlds and figure out which is right:
Both based off two questions

1a) Either the mason claim is shit OR 1b) Somehow two Town vigs ended up in this game which means Titus and DS are scum together.
2a) Almost Chara has a role/power related read on Nero or B) Almost Chara is making it up.

Some mix of 1 and 2 has to be true meaning pick one of the "1s" and one of the "2s".
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Post Post #705 (isolation #58) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:17 am

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The claim is absolutely not premature at all.

Furthermore yet another Town role with a 50%doc/50%kill role PM came up. I do not buy the masons myself and that person (I forget who) are all Town. We know that slot is town. I will prove myself by EoD.

What I am hoping is the other side drafts me and we draft Grey. I townread Grey so hard right now it is insane.

If I die then I flip Town and mason claim gets scrutinized
starting with MariaR
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Post Post #706 (isolation #59) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:23 am

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Spoiler:
Subject: WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Pre-Twilight of Day Two)

[quote="Vince McMahon"]
The scene fades in with Mr. McMahon on a conference call.

"That's right. Bischoff, Long, you two need to listen up. My financial adviser came up to me and told me how much we're spending when wrestlers are injured. This is ridiculous. I can't count the amount of zeroes at the end of this!"

He pauses, listening in.

"Well, I don't give a crap! We're not spending any more money on these people so they can have a vacation paid, sitting on their asses until doctors clear them! The way that I see it, if the injury doesn't happen in the WWE ring, it's not on the job and they can do whatever the hell that they want when it's
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on my dime! I can make these loopholes happen! I'm Vincent Kennedy McMahon, damn it!"

Jerry Lawler bursts into the room. "Mr. McMahon!"

"I'm on a very important phone call. What is it?"

"It's Chris Jericho! He was just escorted out by ambulance. The doctors said he has something broken. He could be out for months!"

McMahon smiles. "Maybe not months. Maybe a bit longer." He grabs the telephone, but Michael Cole runs in.

"It's Rhyno! Someone knocked him out. It's a major concussion. He'll be out for a while!"

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Who are you?
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Which roster are you with?
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You are a
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What are your abilities?
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Gore
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Insane Doctor
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What is your win condition?
You win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from your brand.


Here is a confirmed town killing role. I cannot believe the mason claim at all.
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Post Post #707 (isolation #60) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:25 am

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@Almost Chara -- I won't shoot til you get everyone's input.

Do you townread Dodge?
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Post Post #708 (isolation #61) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:28 am

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In post 700, DodgeTheSaint wrote:No seriously, we can stop with this charade. I answer your questions, and they aren't good enough so there's no sense of us continuing this. You ask me why I didn't ask Chara about our reads. I show you that I already did. Instead of considering this, you just come back with "well you didn't do it perfectly".

I will certainly help the remaining town who want to play to the town's win condition. When you also want to play to the town's win condition let me know and we can talk. If you're not going to accept my answers for what they are, then again all you are doing is inflating our post counts. The difference between my good town play, and your poor town play, is that when you (or anyone else) answers my questions I accept them.
I specifically asked for where you asked Almost Chara about the Nero read.

You never did. I don't see that coming from a town mindset. Specifically if someone said they had PR evidence or mechanic evidence you were Town I would pressure them. Instead you continually talk about Nero. That is crap.
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Post Post #713 (isolation #62) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:12 am

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@A50 after today I will be a VT IC soooo if I eat bullet for PR that be good use of obvTownie yes? Yes. Okay good.

@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #63) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:13 am

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Nah replacing in is easier. No shitty RVS and no interactions to dog read through.
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Post Post #715 (isolation #64) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:15 am

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Technically IC is a bit extreme but my finishing move has vig in it lol. Can't get more firmed than that.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #65) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:16 am

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Oh and about 600 yes it sure is :) Just making sure everyone posts as requested.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #66) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:18 am

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Ahh now I have an honest post to work with and can now see if tone matches. This is why I love replacing in.
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Post Post #722 (isolation #67) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:24 am

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In post 720, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 713, MathBlade wrote:@A50 after today I will be a VT IC soooo if I eat bullet for PR that be good use of obvTownie yes? Yes. Okay good.

@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
Interested on how you base your read on me on practically nothing. I just expressed that I don't like Nero. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more suspects. Hopefully now I will be able to. Also I hope to solidify my opinion on Nero.
This is false. It was late at night sleepy as fuck just finished my first bit of thread work and you and Dodge's push seemed fake as fuck started pushing you Dodge came in, didn't like his answers and he refuses to take a stand on you.
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Post Post #724 (isolation #68) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:26 am

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In post 721, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 607, MathBlade wrote:Explain why you are Town.

The question about shots is extremely relevant.
This is the first time I see someone ask another play to say why they are town. You can't do that. There is no good reaction to this. They can tell you some shit and you can always enterprate is as fake since the question itself can't have a good answer. It is your job to get TRs and actually deduce if someone is scum or town.
I can, do, and did. It isn't about the question having a good answer and the fact you are looking for a good answer concerns me. I scumhunt by asking questions particularly questions that people aren't used to answering. Like who is your townread and why? Why are you Town? Scum hate those questions.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #69) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:27 am

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I can even ask what color is your tshirt if it will help me catch scum. No question is "offlimits".
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Post Post #728 (isolation #70) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:29 am

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In post 726, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 722, MathBlade wrote:
In post 720, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 713, MathBlade wrote:@A50 after today I will be a VT IC soooo if I eat bullet for PR that be good use of obvTownie yes? Yes. Okay good.

@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
Interested on how you base your read on me on practically nothing. I just expressed that I don't like Nero. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more suspects. Hopefully now I will be able to. Also I hope to solidify my opinion on Nero.
This is false. It was late at night sleepy as fuck just finished my first bit of thread work and you and Dodge's push seemed fake as fuck started pushing you Dodge came in, didn't like his answers and he refuses to take a stand on you.
I see a trend here tho. You are implying we are scum buddies? Cuz I can tell you I don't specifically like Dodge either. I find him wanting to talk with me about Nero to be genuinely town tho. I am probably one of the little people besides him that has publicly said Nero doesn't seem right and it is normal for him toish for such a discussion with me. I dislike his answer to question about why he thinks he is town. While I dislike the question even more, I find the "I'm town because it's in my role pm" to be eh.

Ding ding ding And the winner is Pepchonginga. I very much think you are.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #71) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:33 am

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In post 729, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 724, MathBlade wrote:
In post 721, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 607, MathBlade wrote:Explain why you are Town.

The question about shots is extremely relevant.
This is the first time I see someone ask another play to say why they are town. You can't do that. There is no good reaction to this. They can tell you some shit and you can always enterprate is as fake since the question itself can't have a good answer. It is your job to get TRs and actually deduce if someone is scum or town.
I can, do, and did. It isn't about the question having a good answer and the fact you are looking for a good answer concerns me. I scumhunt by asking questions particularly questions that people aren't used to answering. Like who is your townread and why? Why are you Town? Scum hate those questions.
Even tho I find your reasoning understandable, I still don't agree. You seem to imply that you ask a question for the sake of asking it and because scum hate it. Well it's a question that is sure to irritate non-scum as well for reasons stated above. This is a question with an answer that can be easily manipulated and scum LOVE those.

Riiiight. You can manipulate the answer without knowing what I am looking for. Based on the answer to the question I ask followup ones. I look and breathe for contradictions.

This push on Nero is garbage and is scum motivated. If there was any Town push on it someone would have asked Almost Chara about their not lynching Nero claim.
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Post Post #734 (isolation #72) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:36 am

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In post 731, Nero Cain wrote:
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In post 728, MathBlade wrote:
In post 726, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 722, MathBlade wrote:
In post 720, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 713, MathBlade wrote:@A50 after today I will be a VT IC soooo if I eat bullet for PR that be good use of obvTownie yes? Yes. Okay good.

@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
Interested on how you base your read on me on practically nothing. I just expressed that I don't like Nero. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more suspects. Hopefully now I will be able to. Also I hope to solidify my opinion on Nero.
This is false. It was late at night sleepy as fuck just finished my first bit of thread work and you and Dodge's push seemed fake as fuck started pushing you Dodge came in, didn't like his answers and he refuses to take a stand on you.
I see a trend here tho. You are implying we are scum buddies? Cuz I can tell you I don't specifically like Dodge either. I find him wanting to talk with me about Nero to be genuinely town tho. I am probably one of the little people besides him that has publicly said Nero doesn't seem right and it is normal for him toish for such a discussion with me. I dislike his answer to question about why he thinks he is town. While I dislike the question even more, I find the "I'm town because it's in my role pm" to be eh.

Ding ding ding And the winner is Pepchonginga. I very much think you are.
To steal a phrase from Titus: I think Pep is the townbeard that scum Dodge and KMD are buddying up too.

That is possible but unlikely. I find pep's post have an authenticity about them except at certain key points of which I plan on using him talking about RVS to see about the others.

Usually Town beards have words out of their mouth all the way to the floor and do scum's job for them.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #73) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:53 am

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Errors in logic are more often scum than a reaction. I will never react in a way people like. It is a thing. You judge by what they bring to the table. Not the emotions behind it.

All pushing of Nero should have ceased and questions asked to A50 after that claim. After a mislynch peoplenoften try to mislynch who is vocal but that is not alignment indicative. What matters is if their reasons made sense and whether they were trying to solve the game.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #74) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:00 pm

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What do you think of the masons claim?
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Post Post #742 (isolation #75) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:43 pm

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First I am MathBlade
Second not everyone has responded to Almost Chara's request. I am giving until that time and that they are ready.
I have given my suggestion on the matter.

As far as I am concerned it is Dodge+Pep vs Almost Chara and Nero in this thread and Maria and Pepto vs Titus and DS in the other.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #76) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:45 pm

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Hint draft Grey.
Do not leave me undraftable preferably NeroCain is undraftable.

Hope other team drafts me.

That is my suggestion.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #77) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:48 pm

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Why would you be rooting for Nero in the dead thread?
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Post Post #750 (isolation #78) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:57 pm

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Concrete reads on every player a readwall.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #79) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:58 pm

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Nero scum is lethargic. I have played with Nero scum so unless he has changed his meta I doubt this is Nero scum.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:02 pm

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In post 752, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Again, why should I discuss things with you when you aren't actually reading my posts? How is that helpful to the town? I would have loved to have a nice discussion about my reads that you could take into the next day phase, but repeatedly you've shown no interest in bettering your reads so...
Assume I am an asshole that shows no interest in bettering my reads.

The rest of the town surely aren't assholes like me so they would get use out of it.

So do it for Town not me.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:04 pm

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In post 754, DodgeTheSaint wrote:No this is not about me taking my ball and going home because you're going to kill me. You should kill me absolutely. But I cannot develop my own reads or yours if you're not willing. So I will wait for another player willing to do so, and you can then do whatever you wish with the information.
So in other words because the town vig scum reads you you won't give a last will?

That is crap. So wishing people would sign on and finish discussion so I can pulverize you.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:08 pm

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In post 756, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Also I'm still pretty pissed about the ridiculousness about finding what might have been Chara's soft claim, so yeah I'm gonna be a little petty at the moment. Frankly having to see two players have the audacity to call me scum based on that you deserve the pettiness.
So you are going to be antitown because you messed up? Brilliant.

If you were Town you would have seen someone say Nero is town don't lynch them and ask why. Your push of pep is fake and just terribad.

Even if you think I am the world's worst mafia player you are supposed to set an example to teach if you are Town. Do it.
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Post Post #760 (isolation #83) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:14 pm

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That is one reason not the only one.

Again. Calling me an idiot doesn't make me want to shoot you less.

Reads do that. Being townie does that.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #84) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:15 pm

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Again it is a mafia based reason. I do not think you could read process and analyze the thoughts that fast and find what I was talking about. Between that and interactions with Pep and your insistenance to not give reads.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #85) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:16 pm

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In post 761, DodgeTheSaint wrote:There is no way we're getting out of this day without you shooting me.
So then why don't you give your reads so we can follow up later?
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Post Post #765 (isolation #86) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:18 pm

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That is a mafia related reason however I will give you more.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #87) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:19 pm

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In post 53, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 45, Kmd4390 wrote:Dodge, I don't see it. Why is narna scum? I hope you're not stretching the "can be scum" line to say it's an active decision to scum read me rather than a statement of a read. That's the closest I can come to figuring it out.
Oh no it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with not giving any real reads on this game, but deciding the other game was more important to give a read for. (I don't really count this vote on you as much of a read, but that's not the point)

In fact I doubt it was a decision to have a read on anything. This screams "I need to post a read for the sake of posting a read" with the added bonus of posting a read for the other game, so as to not commit themselves to anything solid against this playerlist yet. Like a bad boyfriend, I find lack of commitment to anything extremely sketchy.

The other game isn't really relevant to what we're doing here, so I am already inclined to treat anyone who spends a significant amount of time trying to interact with the other game so early as scum. What makes Narna so egregious here though is that he does it on Page 1 to try and normalize this under productive behavior early. (Mcmenno notwithstanding, but his sin has nothing to do with his foray into the other game)
Calling other game irrelevant so people don't see any potential connections across threads or are woefully unprepared if drafted.
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Post Post #767 (isolation #88) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:20 pm

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In post 74, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 72, Leonshade wrote:Ms Columbo's questions are a bit awkward, but they're the kinds of questions I could see a newb asking when trying to figure people out.

@DodgeTheSaint:
Post 53 reads like you scumread McMenno, I'd like to hear why.
Eh, the situation changed a bit on his part.
A no reason reason on McMenno that has stayed all game.
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Post Post #768 (isolation #89) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:22 pm

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In post 77, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 482, Titus wrote:I am in 100% agreement on the vote on Vifam. That's why I moved mine. Both you and Vifam have encouraged not commenting on the RAW thread. At first, I thought you were just being lazy, but it appears you have read the thread. So why are you avoiding and discouraging active comments on the RAW thread? Grey's points about preventing vocal scum from dominating one thread by having players read both are spot on.
The Heartbreak Kid would like to remind you that this is bad and you should feel bad Titus. Encouraging wasting time on the other thread
at this stage of the game
is pro-scum. Stop trying to normalize anti-town play. (or you know, carry on if this plays into your win condition) I know you're reading, so feel free to quote this. I'm only stepping in because I have nothing better to do, please don't expect this to happen often unless you continue to lead the town around in anti-town behavior. Okay, TTYL.
Continues to remind people of two threads and that they shouldn't care about things. Don't try to find half the scum team no please don't try. The biggest abilities we have as Town is the ability to read. We are the treestump for the other brand. This suggestion is the antitown behavior.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #90) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:24 pm

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In post 102, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Why does that matter? You can't do shit over there, and neither can I. This is exactly why this behavior is counter-productive. Who gives a fuck who's scum on Smackdown? That's not our game. What happens over there has no bearing on what happens over here. This is why I called you out "on page 1". We have scum in this thread, and if you're town you shouldn't care what's going on over there, nor what other people think about what's going on over there.

I know it seems like the 'town' thing to do...but that's only if you don't think about it for more than 5 seconds. Then you realize, worrying about the other game is just a distraction. Read it? Yes. You want to know generally what's going on over there sure. Give it any bit of your attention? Absolutely not. If you're town, your ONLY focus should be finding the scum in THIS game.
Continue to rant about not scumhunting the other thread and only have insulted McMenno so far no scumhunting yet.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #91) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:25 pm

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In post 769, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Yeah all those things were resolved. Are you trying to convince yourself now? Because you're not going to convince me.
I am explaining what pinged me to you on each post of the thread. I know I am never going to convince you to scum claim but what I can do is get that foolish notion out of your head that I am not playing mafia and I never use VLA as grounds for scumreads or out of mafia things.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #92) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:26 pm

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In post 160, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I'm trying really hard not to be condescending in my posts, so the least you guys can do is read what I'm saying in exchange.

I'm gonna spell it out for you here in Post #159. Pedit: #160 now.

Reading Smackdown is fine, and probably a smart thing to do. I'm reading the thread in real time just as much as anyone else should.

Doing anything with SD that doesn't have a direct benefit for us here on RAW is antitown. What happens on Smackdown doesn't mean shit to most of us. If you're on RAW you scumhunt here. If you're on RAW, your focus is here. That means substituting productivity in our thread by hunting in theirs is unacceptable. You only need to read Titus' posts on Smackdown to see this in action. She is substituting substantial contributions on SD to try and "look town" by "helping" RAW. Right now she cares more about hijacking the drafting process than hunting the scum in her thread.

If anyone tries that on this brand, you're getting lynched.

So McMenno, Lil Uzi, and anyone else who is still confused. If you're on RAW you better be focused on RAW. I will not allow anyone in this thread to try and scumhunt on SD and pass that off as protown play.
Now most of your ISO is rants about not reading.
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Post Post #775 (isolation #93) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:29 pm

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In post 317, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Now's a good time to talk about the draft then yes?

My main concern of course is drafting a scum player puts us into LyLo if we fail to flip scum. I know someone somewhere suggested drafting scumreads from the other brand to lynch them (that may have been suggested by SD) and that's a bad idea. My secondary concern is that I like the pace our game is going, I think it's more conductive to town play than how SD is going, so I'd be against picking a high volume poster to 'jumpstart' our brand. This time of year is always slow on mafiascum, we should embrace the serenity. If we were moving at the pace SD is moving, we'd never even consider lynching Penguinos, because he'd be in the background.

My most requested is Vifam, and least requested is Titus, for reasons that I think are obvious.
Another thing that pinged me and made me think three scum here two scum there. How did you boldly claim it would be LyLO? This is fearmongering or inside knowledge neither of which is good.
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Post Post #776 (isolation #94) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:30 pm

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In post 774, malpascp wrote:Unlynchable: MathBlade
Lynchable: LUV then McMenno

Math vs Dodge seems like TvT
Better explain before I kill him then.

Why is Dodge town? Especially when he won't give reads?
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Post Post #778 (isolation #95) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:32 pm

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In post 777, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I don't believe you could pull quotes from my ISO and keep up with the thread in real time.
Then scumread me for it.
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Post Post #780 (isolation #96) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:34 pm

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In post 779, DodgeTheSaint wrote:No, because that's a ridiculous thing to say, let alone believe.
I come from an educational background. I am very familiar with reading comprehension speeds of most people. That is why 20 seconds a post when looking for something specific is not reasonable.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #97) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:35 pm

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In post 781, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 774, malpascp wrote:Unlynchable: MathBlade
Lynchable: LUV then McMenno

Math vs Dodge seems like TvT
You're right, but we're at a point where he has to kill me anyway.

I understand McMenno. Why Lil Uzi over Nero?
They. I am a They.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #98) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:36 pm

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And I have to kill someone. If someone convinces me you are Town I won't shoot you DTS.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #99) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:44 pm

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In post 785, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I can't believe I had to go ahead and look up how many times the word Nero appears in Chara's ISO. Seriously this is why I hate nonsense like this that has no rational basis in a mafia game.
MathBlade wrote:And I have to kill someone. If someone convinces me you are Town I won't shoot you DTS.
You need to specifically kill me. I'm not having my mislynch hang over the town in MyLo or LyLo. Even if someone convinces you I'm town you still have to do it I'm afraid.
I will not shoot a townread. Right now you aren't.

People are dropping you are Town reads and doing nothing on it. Does this not concern you?
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Post Post #787 (isolation #100) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:52 pm

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I gotta go but someone should explain their townreads on a Dodge before tonight.
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Post Post #789 (isolation #101) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:23 pm

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I understand how quickly most people can read information. He said Ctrl+f after I accused him of not reading. Still antight fit even with ctel+f and I am a computer programmer. I would know Ctrl+f *sigh*

No it isn't "obvTown as fuck" when you don't provide reads when asked. I don't have to do anything other than hit scum. If he continues to be a butthole because I scumread him he will not be obvTown to me. He should be trying to help Town not wallowing going "waaaaah Math scumreads me". Things change. The fact he insists that there were three scum in here makes him scum as well as fake pushes.

I do not see any "obvTown" I see complaining.
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Post Post #790 (isolation #102) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:36 pm

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I don't think Maria and Pepto are Town. Just too many killing abilities and they took out a loved player in Creature who was freaking obvTowning.

That being said if this setup is wildly swingy which I doubt then splitting them up is a horrible idea.

Furthermore waiting for a claim from Dodge is dumb when he won't even give reads.

I fully expect it to be something like

Dodge you wanna claim?
Math won't read me as Town or "work with me" which means read me as Town so I won't claim
I vig without claim.

If Dodge wants to claim he can with his reads but my vig instantly ends the day. So if he says he won't and Almost Chara is ready to go I see no reason to not fire and if Dodge flips town then A50 and Nero need examination in that order. If he flips scum as I strongly suspect then Pepchoniga needs investigation along with LUV. Mal is townread to me. If the game is still going should be able to have people pinned.
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Post Post #800 (isolation #103) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:54 am

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It was in my last post but Dodge do you want to claim and give reads? Now is the time.


Kmd It was standard far to give that response word for almost word. Claiming to be willing to be shot is NAI or scum at worst because if he believes I won't ever townread him it is grandstanding.

The majority of his posts are actively asking people not to hunt and when he does hunt he feels fake and for some weird reason says there are three scum here.
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Post Post #802 (isolation #104) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:08 am

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I doubt Dodge is an investigative anyway and it is you Dodge and Pep now maybe switch Pep for one of the other scumreads. Dodge literally asked to be killed without claim so this is pretty fruitless IMHO.
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Post Post #803 (isolation #105) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:10 am

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In post 610, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I'm town because I have a town role PM. It's not up to me to decide if I'm town or not. I think I've been scumhunting with sincerity and pretty well reasoned with my thought processes.

You don't need to reveal anything else but, you do realize that we all appear to have the same base two abilities? A weak dayvig and a voter block? You're not misreading that situation are you?

If he claims investigative Dodge counterclaims himself.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #106) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:36 am

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Pretty much yeah. He is caught scum who doesn't want to give reads.

If I didn't out the possibility of him counterclaiming himself then inevitably someone would be like wait don't vig Dodge they claimed X role. At that point pointing out the CC looks more like trying to preserve my target than actually being him counterclaiming himself.

If he is an investigative I strongly doubt he makes that post. However if I am wrong we should still wait the prod Dodge amount of time so he can give reads. (Again he already pretty much said fuck you Math so I doubt this is happening)
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Post Post #807 (isolation #107) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:38 am

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Tldr the reaction test is not worth the risk. Yeah Almost Chara just needs to make sure they are good to go.
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Post Post #811 (isolation #108) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:17 am

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Why don't you want to lynch DTS or Uzi?
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Post Post #812 (isolation #109) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:18 am

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In post 808, Kmd4390 wrote:I mean I still think he's town but you've made your mind up so whatever. Almost gets his thing done. You take your shot. End of day. Hopefully you're town and right and I'm wrong.

As for the draft, I still want the masons and I've said why. I frankly don't give a rat's ass if smackdown wins or not so I don't care about breaking up their ability. I just want a town player here and I highly doubt they are scum. Like very highly doubt it.
Why do you doubt this?

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Post Post #814 (isolation #110) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:50 am

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In post 813, Vifam wrote:
In post 811, MathBlade wrote:Why don't you want to lynch DTS or Uzi?
I think theyre town
Why?
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Post Post #824 (isolation #111) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:53 pm

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AFK still doing my Shadowrun stuff. Has Dodge claimed yet? Lots of words will read when I get home.
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Post Post #825 (isolation #112) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:54 pm

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ETA is around 2 hours plus or minus 30 minutes.
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Post Post #836 (isolation #113) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:56 pm

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In post 827, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 822, Almost50 wrote:OK.. HOLD ON YOUR SHOT, MATH.

I will -once again- try to not be a total ass about it. We clearly still hold the majority here, so it should be a Town motivated draft even if scum are trying to direct it.

IMPORTANT: NO OTHER OPTIONS ARE VALID BUT THE ONES YOU ARE GIVEN BELOW.

1- Draft MariaR with Pepto as the backup pick
2- Draft Titus with Tywin as the backup pick


I vote (2), and I know at least Math agrees, but I'll let them cast their vote on their own. (And especially so when the alternative is Titus whom Math is also suspicious of, so for Math it's a choice between 2 evils. Sorry about that. :( ).

~A50
:oops: :oops: :oops: :shifty:
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Post Post #837 (isolation #114) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:57 pm

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So modified two.
Followed by number two in its original state
Swap the two players of option 1
Followed by number one in its original state.

That is in order of priority Almost Chara but I hate all of them.
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Post Post #838 (isolation #115) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:59 pm

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I am also a They Dodge.
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Post Post #840 (isolation #116) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:14 pm

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Back when I get home then I will read the text walls.
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Post Post #841 (isolation #117) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:32 pm

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Almost50 about your walls :):) except for the part about jester :(:(

I don't see any evidence of a jester and my wincon only mentions removing heels which I am guessing is group scum.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #118) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:39 pm

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In post 815, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 812, MathBlade wrote:
In post 808, Kmd4390 wrote:I mean I still think he's town but you've made your mind up so whatever. Almost gets his thing done. You take your shot. End of day. Hopefully you're town and right and I'm wrong.

As for the draft, I still want the masons and I've said why. I frankly don't give a rat's ass if smackdown wins or not so I don't care about breaking up their ability. I just want a town player here and I highly doubt they are scum. Like very highly doubt it.
Why do you doubt this?

I doubt 3-4 killing roles (depending on if you count masons as two people) exist in this game.
Won't answer the first question but how many submissions have been used? Aren't those all killing roles? Why is it so hard to believe that two more exist?

Because I find it very unlikely a mod would put in a town one shot vig, a town doctor/killer, AND infinite shot vig masons. Since I am about to prove I am a vig that seems insane for a 22 player setup to potentially have a two day vigs, a kill instead of Doctor, and a scum kill in a single night. If a dayvig and kill instead of doctor are both Town and the scum kill that is three deaths on a brand of 13 in a night. Then repeat if masons and docKiller aren't found it could easily make it down to 7 players on a single brand at the start of D3. For game mechanics reasons usually an infinite vig + one shot vig are included in bigger setup's like Wake's. Too much vigging and those who aren't vigs never really get a chance to play and have their voices heard.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #119) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:40 pm

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In post 842, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Draft zefiend.
That wasn't one of the options presented or I would be asking for Grey to be drafted.
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Post Post #845 (isolation #120) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:46 pm

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In post 820, Almost Chara wrote:@Math:

I forgot to respond to this:I canNOT make Nero undraftable today. I already did that yesterday, and I can't pick the same person twice in a raw.

Anyway, I'm starting to get the feeling Ms Columbo & McMenno won't be responding to me regarding this, and LUV has explicitly expressed his disliking of the idea, so.. shoot at will.

Unlynchable:

Ms. Columbo -
Pepchoninga –
Kmd4390

Kmd4390 –
pepchoninga

Almost Chara -
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McMenno -
Lil Uzi Vert -
Mathblade -
Nero Cain

DodgeTheSaint -
Vifam

Vifam -
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Nero Cain –
Almost Chara

Malpascp -
Mathblade



To be lynched:

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Nero Cain

Kmd4390 -
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Mathblade

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Malpascp

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DodgeTheSaint

DodgeTheSaint -
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McMenno

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McMenno
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Kmd4390

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DodgeTheSaint

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McMenno


Oh, also.. it'd be Titus or Tywin (someone who has a "tie" at the start of their username :lol) that we're drafting today. Can you like, not fight too much with your sister though? I mean, THAT is my one worry there, as I'm Town reading BOTH of you.

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Post Post #847 (isolation #121) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:52 pm

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In post 821, Kmd4390 wrote:I mean if that happens it's nothing gained, nothing lost. If we draft scum, it's nothing gained and a lot lost.
If I am right and Dodge did slip about three scum here then killing him means 2 and 2 scum. We need to keep that balance. Would much rather draft Grey but I don't have control over it.

I just don't like that you didn't even try to put any positivity here. It is like "Well no good can come of that" instead of "I see no upside to this but you could ...." or some kind of thing that didn't feel like you were dropping a turd onto Almost Chara and have it be "not your problem".
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Post Post #848 (isolation #122) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:55 pm

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In post 846, DodgeTheSaint wrote:It's probably a bad sign when more players townread the player you grandstanded on than scumread him. It's too late though.
...That is actually a good sign. Most of the reads are just "Dodge is town." And they are naked without reasons. That is usually from scum who don't want to be too invested in their buddy but enough to have pressure or Town who doesn't give two shits about the game. The division in who people want tells me that scum are not afraid of the prior game state. Which shockingly enough with how little content I am not surprised.

That distribution also means McMenno likely town.
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Post Post #849 (isolation #123) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:56 pm

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The one person who actually bothered with attempts at reasons (kmd) is probably a scum buddy and the rest fall into lurkerdom. Which sucks.
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Post Post #850 (isolation #124) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:58 pm

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And stop calling scumhunting grandstanding. Putting pressure on, threatening to vig, and making sure everyone is ready to go for said vig are all not grandstanding.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #125) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:01 pm

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In post 851, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I know you're trying to reassure yourself that you've made the right decision, but you should quit while you're way behind.
This post adds no value, attempts to scare me off of shooting you, is not a claim so it obviously isn't helping you to "get what you need" before doing so. I don't think you are Town but posts like this are horrible.

What do you need before you claim?
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Post Post #857 (isolation #126) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:10 pm

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In post 853, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 844, MathBlade wrote:
In post 842, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Draft zefiend.
That wasn't one of the options presented or I would be asking for Grey to be drafted.
Don't care, I'm not going to take anything AC says into account until the scum read goes away.
...Then why make that post at all if you think AC won't listen to it. It is literally dead posting. Furthermore you aren't actually doing anything about your scumread to see who he Could be scum with.
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Post Post #864 (isolation #127) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:14 pm

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In post 854, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I'm not the one who continues to post "Dodge is scum and every post he makes confirms it" because it looks incredibly foolish and it's just embarrassing at this point. I'm just so embarrassed for you at this point I'm trying to help you save face. I'm pointing out that more people are townreading me so you start trusting their reads come the next day phase, because it will be revealed that you cannot trust your own, nor Nero's and Chara's.
I don't give a shit about saving face. I care about lynching scum.

The worst case scenario is I am wrong you are Town and I don't get NKd like I think I will. Then I use what I have overnight to reset.

Furthermore one bad read (assuming it is bad which I don't think so) doesn't make my townreads of AC and Nero invalid. What it means is re examine things. No more no less.
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Post Post #867 (isolation #128) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:16 pm

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In post 861, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Also I literally want no other outcome than you shooting me, so please stop with the 'woe is me he's trying to scare me into not shooting him' nonsense. No, I'm trying to shame you into playing better. I don't use the word shame to make you feel bad, I use it to make a point because you've stuck yourself into a confirm bias spiral.
Telling me what I need to do better works a lot better post game. During the game it doesn't help to just repeat "you suck". I see 0 Town motivation in that. Instead of you want me to improve you should do a readwall with reasons why for each person so I can see your "better" logic. I put that in quotes because I have lready explained where I don't think you have a townie mindset.
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Post Post #868 (isolation #129) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:18 pm

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In post 866, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 864, MathBlade wrote:
In post 854, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I'm not the one who continues to post "Dodge is scum and every post he makes confirms it" because it looks incredibly foolish and it's just embarrassing at this point. I'm just so embarrassed for you at this point I'm trying to help you save face. I'm pointing out that more people are townreading me so you start trusting their reads come the next day phase, because it will be revealed that you cannot trust your own, nor Nero's and Chara's.
I don't give a shit about saving face. I care about lynching scum.

The worst case scenario is I am wrong you are Town and I don't get NKd like I think I will. Then I use what I have overnight to reset.

Furthermore one bad read (assuming it is bad which I don't think so) doesn't make my townreads of AC and Nero invalid. What it means is re examine things. No more no less.
Then if this is not going to make you play better, what will? What do you need from me to make that happen? Knowing that you won't waiver on AC or Nero after my townflip is very troubling and really bad if you honestly intend to follow through with that tomorrow.
I said I would reset in that paragraph. I am saying that it will not necessarily lead me to one way or the other. But I also don't throw out all of what I have seen like power role crumb. Just the "reads" portion resets. Facts don't.
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Post Post #869 (isolation #130) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:20 pm

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In post 865, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 843, MathBlade wrote:Because I find it very unlikely a mod would put in a town one shot vig, a town doctor/killer, AND infinite shot vig masons.
But what if they were limited shots, say 2X?? Would that change the situation/read for you??

~A50
Not really because if 4 scum on one brand with the two vig killers then one brand could theoretically lose without a single lynch and only two players playing the game.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #131) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:22 pm

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I understand theme games can be swingy but at least one lynch should be required before LyLO.

Otherwise the two vig masons could just be the only two relevant players.
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Post Post #873 (isolation #132) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:25 pm

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In post 871, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I still don't think that's a PR claim.

You've been talking about balance a bit this game. Claiming that multiple dayvigs was unbalanced for the town to have. Why would a manager have another power besides drafting? Drafting is already a huge power.
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Post Post #875 (isolation #133) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:28 pm

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Mod: Can you please issue some prods? There is a lot of inactivity.
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Post Post #876 (isolation #134) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:30 pm

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@Dodge -- The readwall would be the biggest thing to help with reads. That and a claim so I can see where I went wrong.
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Post Post #878 (isolation #135) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:35 pm

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A passive wall is infinitely better for a player like me to improve with as it is one stop for everything you think rather than having to slog through your ISO.

But you said not to shoot you til you claimed but now a claim is not needed? What?

And that will end up cluttering the thread. Barring anything from A50 or anything else I plan on shooting you late tonight or early Sunday.
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Post Post #881 (isolation #136) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:44 pm

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In post 880, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 858, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I believe the claim so I see no reason to break up the masons.
Also, reading this again I see you see it my way. Doesn't that give you a pose or an urge for second thoughts?

I mean, Scum!Me would certainly want to execute the Masons, and we have even been provided with "an out" to do it. I we're Scum them it's likely the Masons aren't really Masons. so, why do you choose to believe they are indeed Masons while simultaneously being suspicious of our slot?

~A50
Please rewrite the sentence with I we're...

I do not follow it at all.
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Post Post #884 (isolation #137) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:49 pm

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In post 882, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 880, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 858, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I believe the claim so I see no reason to break up the masons.
Also, reading this again I see you see it my way. Doesn't that give you a pose or an urge for second thoughts?

I mean, Scum!Me would certainly want to execute the Masons, and we have even been provided with "an out" to do it. I we're Scum them it's likely the Masons aren't really Masons. so, why do you choose to believe they are indeed Masons while simultaneously being suspicious of our slot?

~A50
Because your thoughts and reads or anyone else's thoughts and reads on what's going on Smackdown shouldn't have an effect on how you read people here.
That to me is false. Very very false.
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Post Post #887 (isolation #138) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:55 pm

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In post 885, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Why does AC know that mafia on this brand would know who the mafia on the other brand are?
I didn't get the impression that he suggested that was the case but IMHO that would be a requirement for this setup.

Given the town wincon of each is remove the heels from your brand then if a scum was traded they would have to instantly learn who their scumbuddies are is a bit too much.
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Post Post #888 (isolation #139) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:56 pm

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Where do you think they suggested that?
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Post Post #890 (isolation #140) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:03 pm

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In post 889, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I disagree, the scumteams are functionally different ones. If that were the case than the managers would be innocent childs.

Post #880 where AC goes 'If we're scum then we know if the masons aren't masons..."
The managers wouldn't be innocent children. If no posts existed could easily be A50 and Maria and Titus and other random people. Scum could easily control one or both. I do not think scum are split like that. Otherwise if Town is winning one game and losing another then they could repeatedly no lynch the last scum and bring over a top scumread lynch them and repeat while sending over obvTown.

Scum not knowing all members while all of Town can weirdly communicate is broken to me.
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Post Post #892 (isolation #141) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:05 pm

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I think AC and massive are townreads but hem being Town is not a necessity if scum know who each other all are.

Besides each scum team would have an easy way of telling the other team who the scum are soooo...Kind of ridiculous to assume they don't know.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #142) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:05 pm

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In post 891, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I think you misunderstand what I was saying.

If the scumteams know who each other are, then the managers can't be scum. (I'm also making the assumption that the managers have to be the same alignment)
I disagree with that assumption.
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Post Post #895 (isolation #143) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:08 pm

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The managers have to be of the same alignment. If it was not a public vote I would expect that randomized.

If I was missing this setup I would have all scum know who they are.

I seriously do not see a world where scum don't know.
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Post Post #896 (isolation #144) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:09 pm

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The rest of your assumption falls apart after that.
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Post Post #898 (isolation #145) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:13 pm

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In post 897, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Okay BUT

You just said the scumteam's would know each other.

ERGO if one of the manager's is scum, they just draft all the scum and we're not actually playing mafia.
They can't draft all the mafia.

They can draft one person from the other side. However that must be explained and it is why communication happens. They have to convince the town that would be the proper play. If they don't then they get lynched. It is still Mafia is a manager is scum. For example if AC doesn't post what they are doing my townread of them significantly weakens or outright disappears. They may submit it but if Town doesn't agree they are fucked.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #146) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:14 pm

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If the town is fooled into drafting mafia every time then Town lost because mafia deceived them. The submission is more a placeholder than anything.
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Post Post #900 (isolation #147) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:15 pm

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It becomes important to determine the trust levels of the managers early and see if they can be trusted.

It is also worth a note that if all the mafia go to one side the side with all town wins LOL
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Post Post #901 (isolation #148) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:16 pm

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Mafia would inherently want to win both games.
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Post Post #904 (isolation #149) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:24 pm

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In post 902, DodgeTheSaint wrote:ERGO, the only scenario where the scumteam's knowing each other works is if both Manager's are town, therefore making them psudo-innocent children from the get-go.

The town has no control over the drafting. That's one player and one player alone.

You're dancing around the right conclusions when we talk about the set-up but somehow you're not getting there and I don't know what to do. What you are describing is all bad game design, and I know Kuroi isn't bad at designing games.
MathBlade wrote:Mafia would inherently want to win both games.
This is such a bad assumption, because once you win on one brand you win. This is a simple concept. The scum on Smackdown win IF and ONLY IF they win on Smackdown. The town can win here, and the scum will STILL win on Smackdown.

The flaw in your logic continues to stem from the idea that a single faction needs to win both games. A single faction DOES NOT NEED to win both games.
That is MY wincon.

However we do not have a flipped scum yet. If a scum flips murderize all town in a brand.

I think it would be a poor setup to have scum not know with brandswappinf and you have not made your point about ICs and you are looking to spread bullshit before you die.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #150) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:24 pm

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All town in a brand I will eat crow.
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Post Post #909 (isolation #151) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:31 pm

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In post 906, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Just shoot me. You cannot be reasoned with. Not on reads, not even on PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE about our win conditions. There's nothing I or anyone can do to help you.
I did try to understand. However you are starting from a false assumption namely managers are ICs. This is not the case. They may be coincidentally Town in this game but ICs no.

And I am waiting til AC declares what they are doing. Because I can and will have their action affect my read of them.

What I will not stand is blatant manipulation based on an unfounded premise.

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I would make that assumption if they know each other they would have to win on both brands. Again common sense.

But this is all theory until we get a flip.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #152) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:37 pm

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In post 222, Vince McMahon wrote:I've posted this on Smackdown, but it's important Raw sees this too:

I had a chat with the listmod and we've concluded that no one will be mod-killed or replaced.

What I'm going to do is let everyone know two things:
1) Scum had access to the town win condition since the beginning of the game. (This is one of my biggest contributors in deciding whether someone will be mod-killed or not)
2) Post both the scum and town win conditions:
Town: You win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from your brand.
Scum: You win when all heels comprise of at least half of all wrestlers in your brand. (Including the general manager, if that is applicable.)

Furthermore, Vifam wasn't the only player that skirted on this rule. I've noticed a few others so this will serve as a mass-warning to everyone. Please be cognizant in what you post, especially if it's something I've sent to you. Word of wisdom: If you want to convey something I've said, it's a good practice to type it in your own words. Same goes to scum if you want to fake something - type it in your own words and don't make it sound like you just copy and pasted it.

Note to myself for when I have more time: I need to add seven hours and thirty-seven minutes to the deadline clock.

This is what the mod said the wincon is. So? Your point?
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Post Post #914 (isolation #153) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:41 pm

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Oh so they could bring over all scum to one brand...Meh don't see it though. I still think they know who each other are though. I don't see a way for scum to play with only half the info they would need.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #154) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:42 pm

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Even if they did it would be town's fault for not hunting the GM and the other towns for not lynching scum there either.
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Post Post #918 (isolation #155) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:49 pm

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I would much rather Titus and myself be on the same side. Much as I normally hate it Grey here and me to the other team is the right call. It depends on if massive would draft me though and because of what was a shitty ass combo with no warning (gee thanks! Sarcasm) we can't ask. Mainly if I am the NK and I get drafted RAW and Smackdown numbers stay the same overnight.

If not then in essence we still lose a player.

Then the Maria R and Titus thing can be truly settled as those two should 1v1 tomorrow and it is worth noting that Maria did it to love, not the person who would almost damn near confirm her environment instead a freaking loved claim. Maria /Pep and myself both being vig claims would make sense to be in the same place if possible. Would like Titus there as well to further the situation.

Draft Grey and another townread as a backup is my two cents.
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Post Post #920 (isolation #156) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:50 pm

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In post 916, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Okay, but you need to think this through. It means that scum get to play perfectly, and the town are punished for playing the game normally. That's not a mafia game.
No they don't...I don't get your arguments at all.

If you have a problem with the setup save it for post game.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #157) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:51 pm

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In post 919, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Anyway Chara I strongly think Titus is scum, so if you're town I think not drafting her would be best regardless. When I flip town you'll know my read is genuine so we can leave it at that, unless you want something specific (in which case refer to our hypothetical conversation first). For what it's worth I believe the Mason claim. They demonstrated their ability, and in a compact game where we start with 13, I can't see the scumteam having an extra kill, even if it's restricted like that.
I don't see Town having three kills even if restricted like that. There are literally too many killers to all be Town.
As scum I would never CC a mason I would save my vig for LyLO or for when I was under suspicion. When Maria R /Pep came under suspicion they used it.
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Post Post #922 (isolation #158) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:53 pm

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In post 917, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Anyway the assumption that scum know each other is probably a bad one, but I digress. I'm not going down this rabbit hole anymore since the moment I disagree with you I'm scum manipulating bullshit. You shoot me when you're good and ready I guess. Every time I try to reach out to you in this game, that's what I get.
You aren't reaching out though. I have asked you to do two things:

1) Claim
2) Readwall

Neither of which you do.
You do not turn it around on me saying "That is what I get" when you do everything but what I ask.
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Post Post #923 (isolation #159) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:56 pm

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In post 228, Narna wrote:Grey seems harder to sort than a PR claim. Maria is a scumlean at the moment, and I don't think they'd be an ideal pick for us even as town. I like pretty much all of Vifam's content though, and he would be my second choice at the moment. Titus isn't bad, but it would be a decent idea to separate those two.
Closest thing I could find to an objection AC.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #160) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:01 pm

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In post 924, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I don't believe you could read the entire game to find the only objection to Grey. In 7 minutes that would be 0.45 seconds per post. You must be lying!
A) Those numbers are shit.
B) I looked at my notes.

You said you did not know where said crumb was therefore you would not have notes on said crumb to reference and therefore would have to search the thread and read all the potential posts.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #161) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:02 pm

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In post 925, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Chara if I couldn't find your crumb in 3 minutes, because that would be 20 seconds per post, how could Mathblade do it with half a second per post? Huh? Huh? Huh? If you don't give a good explanation then that's a scumclaim from you.
....Now you are just trolling.

Claim and readwall.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #162) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:06 pm

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In post 912, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 885, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Why does AC know that mafia on this brand would know who the mafia on the other brand are?
I don't, and I have systematically promoted the opposite. It's not even implied in my argument directed at LUV.

What I'm saying is if we are inclined to believe Maria + Pepto are Town Masons with multiple Vig shots it'd be best for SCUM to break that bond.

On the other hand I can now see that it might not be the case if Scum believe the Masons' next Vig target is likely to be Town as well, so it's one more reason for me to draft in Tywin/Tius (and right now we have 3 votes in favour of that couple and 2 in favour of the Masons).

Hmmm.. Grey may work for me, but I recall someone strongly objected to that one on D1. I just can't remember whom that was.

Tywin is a sure success if we decide to draft him, because he was massive's undraftable pick on D1, so he WILL be available today. The problem is LUV says he flaked site, and we have no idea how good a payer his replacement will be. I mean it's not "just" about Town reading your draft, but how good they are so that they can actually give you a boost in trying to solve the puzzle, providing accurate reads and being able to promote them successfully leading to the right lynches. I know Titus can don that, and we all know massive is very likely to draft Nero today.

Are the likes of McMenno & Ms Columbus still playing, btw?? They're the only ones -aside from LUV- who didn't respond to my first request and they also have not given an indication on whom they think we should draft. In fact, they haven't posted at all since I asked!

~A50

First mention was in 912 not 922.

Secondly if you don't think I keep notes on who scumreads who you are sorely mistaken.

Stop trolling it won't make me shoot you faster.
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Post Post #934 (isolation #163) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:10 pm

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In post 931, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I will not post a claim or readwall until you PROVE that you could have found that post in 7 minutes, and until Chara can come up with a good explanation as to how you could do something 20x faster than something you both believe I couldn't do.
...I have notes.

I didn't read at the prompt. I went to my excel doc (of which I am not sharing because it reveals way too much meta) went to the post number it said confirmed that it was there and quoted it.

I didn't read because I didn't have to.

Again apples and oranges and trolling stop it.
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Post Post #935 (isolation #164) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:13 pm

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One of the best things anyone can have are notes on a game. It lets you respond quicker, remember little details, catch lies faster and be your most authentic self confidently without having to reread each time a new question comes up. Just go to your notes see the post number referenced quick skim confirm boom done.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #165) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:15 pm

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In post 936, DodgeTheSaint wrote:I also might accept an apology. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to right this injustice against me.
I am not apologizing because my point is still valid.

You did not know about said post. Then after too little of time you do. The prerequisite of not knowing about the post is missing for me because I had notes to rely on that said Narna didn't think Grey was Town.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #166) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:16 pm

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Furthermore even if I was wrong that would be one point wrong and not an "injustice against you". Which I maintain I am not.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #167) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:17 pm

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AlmostChara you ready? And what will your submission be?
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Post Post #942 (isolation #168) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:50 pm

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I thought I could be NK'd after drafted? Meh. Thanks for fixing that. Still want to be draftable just in case.

If I am not drafted would prefer Titus over there.

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Post Post #944 (isolation #169) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:10 pm

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Right.

My point is scum have access to read both threads.

So draft happens assume I am drafted

Then scum in Smackdown pick between me and mason claim for the NK. If they kill me then I flip Town and that brings mason claim into question. If they don't kill me and kill a mason claim and they flip Town then I would be in essence confirmed town that way because no scum in their right minds would CC a mason claim and people then understand what I say about too many killing roles. If a Mason claim is shot and is Town then I would be right there to put the screws onto Titus.

If the kill on SD is neither of us then that means something all together different if it is anyone but Titus. If it is Titus then likely I tunnel MariaR into dirt.

Make sense?
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Post Post #945 (isolation #170) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:12 pm

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By leaving me draftable it forces scum to give more information about the claims that are so unique.

Even in the off case I am not drafted I am likely shot but RAW anyway.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #171) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:42 pm

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Vigilante RKO: (DodgeTheSaint)


At this point MathBlade enters the ring ....Say what?!?!?!?! MathBlade ??? They weren't in the roster!!! They must have come outta nowhere.

They also seemed to have their boxers be rainbow colored for some reason. Interesting wardrobe choice for the 12 time year champion.

Coming behind Dodge Math whispers "Prepare for the RKO".

No matter how many times Math gives Dodge to claim or readwall Dodge instead changes the subject. Thoroughly convinced of his not heel nature, Math did what they could against what seemed to be dodges to simple questions:

"Read about player X" combined with sweet chin music gets deftly dodged by Dodge.
"Claim and readwall please" as Math tries to pounce onto Dodge

After being sore from attempting to assertain Dodge's thought process and verify their reads Dodge beings to troll.

At that point with all ready to go...Math releases the Vigilante and hopes the spectacle was worth it.
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Post Post #948 (isolation #172) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:43 pm

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Not baby face* merged thoughts *facepalm*
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Post Post #949 (isolation #173) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:44 pm

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Pretty much my role PM suggested that I do a spectacle and call myself an asshole. I don't know much about wrestling so I hope that counts.
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Post Post #950 (isolation #174) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:48 pm

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May all heels be lynched or killed.

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Post Post #959 (isolation #176) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:05 pm

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In post 956, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 900, MathBlade wrote:It becomes important to determine the trust levels of the managers early and see if they can be trusted.

It is also worth a note that if all the mafia go to one side the side with all town wins LOL
Would they?
Yes because there would be zero mafia for that brand so then it becomes traditional mafia. The biggest strength of scum is we don't know how many or where. Once one brand eliminates all mafia then the other brand should have a much easier time.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #177) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:06 pm

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In post 954, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 914, MathBlade wrote:Oh so they could bring over all scum to one brand...Meh don't see it though. I still think they know who each other are though. I don't see a way for scum to play with only half the info they would need.
If all scum are on one brand what would happen tot he other? Obviously the scum is prolly gonna win the brand that they are on, but if the GM on the brand that all the scumare in is scum this basically means that eventually scumwins both the brands. This actually seems like a reasonable tactic for scum. That for me means that one of the GMs is scum.
...If no mafia exist Town wins?

I don't like how you are trying to complicate things.
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Post Post #968 (isolation #178) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:51 pm

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I think scum are trying to make things more complex than they should be.

Erm twilight zone?

What does that bold mean? Are you giving me a second vig without seeing if I live or if Dodge flips scum?
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Post Post #969 (isolation #179) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:51 pm

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And why would I shoot you for hydra slipping?
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Post Post #971 (isolation #180) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:02 pm

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Oh okay good night then.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #181) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:40 am

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Yep.

That was my one shot. No regrets.

Pep Kmd top scumreads

AC Nero and Mal top townreads

Hopefully I get drafted or NK'd

Go babyfaces!
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Post Post #979 (isolation #182) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:56 am

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In post 977, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 925, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Chara if I couldn't find your crumb in 3 minutes, because that would be 20 seconds per post, how could Mathblade do it with half a second per post? Huh? Huh? Huh? If you don't give a good explanation then that's a scumclaim from you.
Since Chara couldn't answer this, they are scum. I am 100% serious.
There was no reason to answer it. The only reason you posted that was to make fun of my prior argument and you are comparing two different things.

Furthermore you still won't do what I asked.
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Post Post #983 (isolation #183) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:01 am

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I have notes first off but a readwall helps to provide a summary and your mindset all in one spot.

Then I can use that and compare to prior posts and see what you were thinking so if you are Town I can find my mistakes easier.

It is a shame to me site meta has moved away from that because it is so much easier to catch scum that way.
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Post Post #984 (isolation #184) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:02 am

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In post 982, DodgeTheSaint wrote:You're going to be in this game until LyLo, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get your gameplay straight. You think scum are going to kill you after you wasted your shot on a widely townread player who will in turn flip town?
I doubt that. Especially since I CC'd mason vig with my own vig shot.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #185) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:14 am

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/me won't interrupt til you are done (Goes and does something else)
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Post Post #992 (isolation #186) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:35 am

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In post 990, malpascp wrote:I am sure Math fully understands the setup at this point. Pep is the one making non-sensical questions and justifying it by "missing posts". I do think that might be a towntell, but for the exact oposite reason you do. To me it looks like you're trying to make up a reason as for why you think the already-confirmed vig is town. Dunno what the point is though.
Math already said he looked at his notes and didn't search the whole thread, I was pretty sure you were trolling at that point.
From seeing these last posts from you, my gut tells me you're going to flip scum. You actually had all these reads in store but waited until after the shot to share them? Besides not being pro-town at all, it seems like you're trying to set it up for your teammates before leaving. It will be interesting to analyze those after today's flips.

@Math: was the shot real?
Yup just waiting on Kuroi.

FYI DTS not dodging your points I am just waiting on the flip before I say anything else.
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Post Post #993 (isolation #187) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:37 am

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In post 991, Vifam wrote:If it's real it sucked
...And your ISO is literally zero reasons why. Are you even interested in playing?
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Post Post #997 (isolation #188) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:38 am

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Tinfoil theory fyi AC Nero and mal and I have the entire game backwards on RAW.
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #189) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:29 am

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@mod Please fix the subject line to reflect day


Kinda surprised I wasn't killed.

Spoiler:
Titus/other thread what am I messing up here?
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #190) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:39 am

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Spoiler: Other thread
What are do you think about the mason claim now that I am an outed one shot vig?
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #191) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:42 am

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Mechanically it is ridiculous. Infinite shot vig combined with a one shot vig and a doctor who can also kill all town?

Bullshit.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #192) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:47 am

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In post 1011, Pepchoninga wrote:VOTE: MathBlade

I think that either you or Nero are scum, but now with Nero of to SD it seems that you are my target.
This feels like OMGUS in its truest form but I want Titus to talk with me about my reads and see if I am wrong somewhere.

And again you go after Nero would addressing the PR claim.

Fuck it.

Spoiler: Titus
Talk with me stranger what are your reads over here?


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Post Post #1014 (isolation #193) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:48 am

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Post Post #1016 (isolation #194) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:50 am

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In post 1015, Vifam wrote:
In post 1010, MathBlade wrote:Mechanically it is ridiculous. Infinite shot vig combined with a one shot vig and a doctor who can also kill all town?

Bullshit.
Is it really infinite shot?
I cited earlier where Maria said SHOTS in bold.


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Post Post #1017 (isolation #195) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:51 am

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In post 587, MathBlade wrote:Subject: WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Pre-Twilight of Day Two)
MariaR wrote:I don't think we should ever use our vig shots to kill btw we get much more info by lynching
this games for Raw aswell
This post doesn't sit right.

I don't see a mason vig team having multiple shots or seeing why they would direct the raw side unless they had scum over here.

I also believe MariaR and Pepto are of the same alignment but just not Town. Hard to put into words why at 12:30 at night but I want to finish this debate in my head so I am using the thread to do it.

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Post Post #1021 (isolation #196) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:58 am

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In post 1018, Vifam wrote:Welp if that's the case and they're scum they already lost over there didn't they
I just have to get Smackdown to read it. If Smackdown lynches scum then there is less fear of scum overflowing either side. We need to play both games even though we are only posting in one.

We are the fans of the other side!


Pedit Pepochinga AC said PR reasons Nero was Town. The only way Nero is scum is if AC is scum. If you suspect Nero then you go after AC.

This was addressed multiple times. I get the feeling you are trying to fake Town not reading.
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #197) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:00 am

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In post 1020, Pepchoninga wrote:Maria and Pepto are not scum Imo. And I am enclined to belive they are masons together. They don't have a reason to lie. This is a big risk and an unlikely one.
They had a huge reason to lie. If Maria R and Pepto are the only scum on that side and get lynched one after the other we learn a shit ton about the gamestate. Also if we get a scum flip harder to have one side just "win".
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #198) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:10 am

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That is why they would protect each other and claim masons.

Normally "Math is insane" takes over and if they are masons they would get shot and then a clear mislynch path to me takes place. Why didn't scum take that becomes the question.

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Post Post #1025 (isolation #199) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:12 am

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Now they say it is only two shots.


Lynch them so fucking hard.
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