Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Elena Fisher]

VOTE: Conman
Well lets add to that wagon and see if something interesting happens then.

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Conman
Well lets add to that wagon and see if something interesting happens then.

wrong wagon, he's on V/LA and haven't posted more than 2 days

[Elena Fisher]

of course
UNVOTE:

[gerryoat]

Elena. Just vote manuel, you dont need to read anything

[gerryoat]

of course
UNVOTE:

You just did the universal maf signal.

But i'll forgive you if you vote manuel rn

[Ramcius]

Elena. Just vote manuel, you dont need to read anything

why not you? you could use more votes on your wagon

[Elena Fisher]

of course
UNVOTE:

You just did the universal maf signal.

But i'll forgive you if you vote manuel rn

What's the universal maf signal
I thought that was
"I claim traitor"

[Ramcius]

of course
UNVOTE:

You just did the universal maf signal.

But i'll forgive you if you vote manuel rn

What's the universal maf signal
I thought that was
"I claim traitor"

tell everyone you are town every chance you get, so vote gerry

[Ramcius]

VOTE: gerryoat

I really don't like this slot, and he jsut become more and more scummy with fluffing

[Elena Fisher]

You find fluff posting scummy?
I personally think it's NAI aslong as a bit of scum hunting is added.

[Ramcius]

You find fluff posting scummy?
I personally think it's NAI aslong as a bit of scum hunting is added.

When person do nothing to change scumread on him and just fluffing, yes, i find it scummy

[Pepchoninga]

Big wall of text in spoiler, so consider yourself warned

Spoiler:

Um, I wasn't really asking you that question but ok.
Describe to me your throught process currently.
And I wouldn't be so sure if it's right since we don't exactly have any flips yet.
With that said, also if you provide me with reads that'll be cool.

I don't exactly have finished reads. I dislike Trans and Ram.

that's where Pep came after me, till this he was on my side more or less, but when i called him out for his neutral POV, he said that

***

Um, I wasn't really asking you that question but ok.
Describe to me your throught process currently.
And I wouldn't be so sure if it's right since we don't exactly have any flips yet.
With that said, also if you provide me with reads that'll be cool.

I don't exactly have finished reads. I dislike Trans and Ram.

why you don't like me? Cause i question you this time?

Mostly gut for now, but your way of playing has changed much more drastically then me. You were much more active and aggressive.

meta

Yep, your reads are bad. I'm not the same alignment with him. He put me on the bottom of his reads ffs.

How you know you not same alignment? Assuming you town, cause town don't know each other, and putting you on bottom on readlist not makes him scum

I never implied that we weren't. I said that I don't like him. And I'm talking from a netrial perspective cu that's the way I talk.

you just quoted your words that you not same alignment with him, how you know?

Um, I wasn't really asking you that question but ok.
Describe to me your throught process currently.
And I wouldn't be so sure if it's right since we don't exactly have any flips yet.
With that said, also if you provide me with reads that'll be cool.

I don't exactly have finished reads. I dislike Trans and Ram.

why you don't like me? Cause i question you this time?

Mostly gut for now, but your way of playing has changed much more drastically then me. You were much more active and aggressive.

really? i already pushed Alisae a bit, Trrancended later, now i'm pushing you, and it's not micro newbie game, i can't go guns blazing and expect everyone follow my lead, and town have no reason to talk from neutral POV, they have majority, they decide who lives and dies every day, it's mafia and 3p have try compromises, and you not giving me town vibes at all now[/quote]
Ok, A little but of misunderstanding. From his PoV I'm not the same alignment as him. He wouldn't put me in there exept if you want to interprete it as some WIFOM.

As I said gut feeling. I don't say you don't do anything. I'm saying you have changed on a tactical level. As you saw in the Newbie game your attitude and aggression almost got big results. That is why in the end you were killed. Here you seem fake. This is yet to be confrimed, but it is there.[/quote]

again meta, "i changed on tactical level"

Gerry thoughts on Pep?
In my head I keep on flipfloping from misunderstood townie because of his overall play to scum because he attempted to either discredit Ram's slot or get Ram to scumclaim.

BTW Pep about this, what answer were you expecting from town!Ram? What answer were you expecting form scum!Ram. Also you never answered this:

Pep what does that response tell you about Ramcius?
Why did you ask it in the first place?

Nothing good unfortunately.

And I did because I wanna see the response. It's an easy question and the answer says alot. The fact that he think I wanted to get him to make a scum slip is just confirming that he is trying to hard.

Why is that response not good?

Getting the quotes you wanted now.

Nothing could really be a good question from him. Tho in a situation like this I would've expected a more serious answer with power behind it from a town!Ram then thenlight hearted Ram I got that puts smiles after almost every post. It is gut to some extent but pretty strong one too.

meta

Pep what does that response tell you about Ramcius?
Why did you ask it in the first place?

Nothing good unfortunately.

And I did because I wanna see the response. It's an easy question and the answer says alot. The fact that he think I wanted to get him to make a scum slip is just confirming that he is trying to hard.

Why is that response not good?

Not good may be going to far. Not satisfying for the way I read the slot -more like it.

you literally asked me if i'm scum, what answer you expected? "oh, you got me, i'm surrender"?

I didn't ask you if you were scum. I asked if you were smart. I did ask if you are a bad scum however. Your inability to see beyond what a question may seem question is quite interesting. You read everything I ask you off as trying to make you scumslip. This just confirms that you don't want people to get you to scumslip. I belive that if you were town you wouldn't react the way you did.

another example of Pep using other game to make expectations on my answers, or in short, yes, meta

The entire segment with me is exactly why I scumread him and if you are town and you belive he is town you should be trying to explain exactly why, like the way you explained your gerry read.

A scumread is very different from a townread. My read on him might also be influenced by my scumread on you though. If i had to name a reason i would say gut. His posts just come of genuine to me.
He has a certain aggression that doesnt feel forced.

To some extent yes, many people base meta on other games too. It should never be anything close to a leading factor tho. It is but a guideline for a better view on the player you at hand and helps with the analysis as you have an idea of how a person generally thinks. From then on tho, I'm pursuing in gaining more food on you, so I can form a read around this game and around solid arguments and not by gut and past game experience. I have stated what I have. I find you attitude disturbing and also your answeres not satisfying.

Maybe it's your questions are bad, not my answers? If someone ask me in serious manner, i answer serious, but you try provoke me, so why you expect serious answers? If you have something against me, we can discuss, but Jaack and Lemon Tree look more serious than yours "you not so aggressive" and obvious provoke attempts

That was the post i started townreading him.

Lol, the thing is he isn't aggressive. He is just calm and puts smilies everywere. He has also tunneled me for a long time on somethings that I answered more then enough times and now he is going on the same route.

Also the post you quoted is bad. I don't see any town in that post tho. He is clearly trying to discredit me when his push is not a much stronger one either.

meta

But i think you should vote Mick or Manny today.

Pedit: yeah but town (especially noob town) tend to flail under pressure and tend to demotivate themselves from solving the game as they don't know how to adequately respond to pressure.

He isn't just falling under pressure. He is still trying to mock me and in some cases tryis to keep that smilely attitude. This is not town. Or it shouldn't be.

Also Pine made a great point (I belive it was him lol). He is too focused on blindly defending himself and not trying to actually prove that we are wrong. You know the perfect quote for here is "actions speak louder then words"

my smiley attitude is bad, cause i wasn't so in other game, and it's not towny (seems loling is towny on other hand)

and now Pep opinion on using meta

Pep what does that response tell you about Ramcius?
Why did you ask it in the first place?

Nothing good unfortunately.

And I did because I wanna see the response. It's an easy question and the answer says alot. The fact that he think I wanted to get him to make a scum slip is just confirming that he is trying to hard.

Why is that response not good?

Not good may be going to far. Not satisfying for the way I read the slot -more like it.

you literally asked me if i'm scum, what answer you expected? "oh, you got me, i'm surrender"?

I didn't ask you if you were scum. I asked if you were smart. I did ask if you are a bad scum however. Your inability to see beyond what a question may seem question is quite interesting. You read everything I ask you off as trying to make you scumslip. This just confirms that you don't want people to get you to scumslip. I belive that if you were town you wouldn't react the way you did.

I said "smart scum" in my post to Alisae, you right after asked if i'm smart, i can make connection here easily, considering you accused me before, i did assumption you want me to scumslip to give reason for push on me, your "you not so aggressive like in other game" is by far too weak and NAI to push for my lynch. Also, your belief on my town reaction is based on my meta from other game?

To some extent yes, many people base meta on other games too. It should never be anything close to a leading factor tho. It is but a guideline for a better view on the player you at hand and helps with the analysis as you have an idea of how a person generally thinks. From then on tho, I'm pursuing in gaining more food on you, so I can form a read around this game and around solid arguments and not by gut and past game experience. I have stated what I have. I find you attitude disturbing and also your answeres not satisfying.

i still waiting solid arguments from him

I really wish you'd use your vote though

Even if it's on me, i like reading progression through the game and deciding if it's genuine or not.

My vote will come when I'm comfortable enough with it.

can i hear arguments that make you comfortable enough to vote me?

I'm not sure I like how pepcho has thrown a decent amount of shade around since coming under scrutiny.

Which is to say, I don't like it but in kinda agree with his point in 430, and I don't particularly like manuel's response to it.

Understandable. I do throw shade sometimes unintentionally since this is mostly my personality when I point out things I don't like. I do make cases and yes I do scumhunt and this will be shown when I get a good feeling about a SR.

i find this interesting, he very defensive here, he admit he trow shade unintentionally, and he does scumhunt, but then we have

Rules number 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 of mafia - fake day vig shots are fake.

I'm also finding it hard to care too much about this gerry/ConManMick thing. So let's go back in time to interesting stuff.

I'm not sure I like how pepcho has thrown a decent amount of shade around since coming under scrutiny.

Which is to say, I don't like it but in kinda agree with his point in 430, and I don't particularly like manuel's response to it.

Understandable. I do throw shade sometimes unintentionally since this is mostly my personality when I point out things I don't like. I do make cases and yes I do scumhunt and this will be shown when I get a good feeling about a SR.

I don't really like this response the more I think about it. I feel like pepcho is trying too hard to get on my good side. I gave him a little breathing room and he just straight up agrees with my scumfeels about him.

It's to buttery for my tastes. I'd still prefer a Ramcius wagon, but this is fine too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pepchoninga

Focus on a better wagon. If you think throwing shade is always scummy then you are in a big misunderstanding...also you have never played with -Grey-

Don't really care wether I'm on your good side or not, as long as you are willing to cooperate with the rest to have a good discussion and ultimately achieving our alignment's goal.

Pep telling trowing shade isn't scummy, dunno for others, but for me trowing shade "is" scummy

Or Pep you can play like lynchbait and figure out who is the scum on your wagon.

or get lynched and don't know why, which is more likely, when try being lynchbait - smart scums avoid lynchbait wagons

Are you smart?

no, i'm not

So you are dumb scum?

perfect example of Pep trowing shade, it's doesn't matter what i would answer, he would called me scum

Scumpile: Pepchoninga, Alisae, ConManMick, kuror0
Townreads: Transcend, gerryoat

Here's where I'm at for the moment.
I don't like the way Mick and kuror0 started reacting to gerryoat's reaction to being shot at all. I think they're intimidated by Transcend and his read on gerry.

Hmmm, why do you TR Trans? What did you make of his reads?

Don't you find his actions rather inconsistent?

Answered already. Show me where you find his actions inconsistent?

I never said I find his actions inconsistent. I asked if you do.

And could you point your answer? I may have missed it, or not given it enough though, or somehow forgotten it.

again, another attempt to trow shade on Trans for scumreading Pep, he inclined Yoshi should see Trans inconsistent, while Pep don't find Trans inconsistent

Ughh, I don't like how you try to compliment Trans and think this is gonna get you off his SRs

I actually thought about saying something else because ppl could view it as AtE but seeing who tries to throw shade at me for stating my honest opinion gives me more information so thanks for that.
Oh and i dont know how much selfesteem you have but personally i wouldnt compliment someone if i didnt mean it just to win a mafiagame.
VOTE: Pepchoninga

I'm sorry but this makes zero sense.

Pep tried trown shade on Manuel for TR Trans, while Trans SR Manuel, then Manuel called Pep out for that, and Pep just tried shake it off without trying to get to bottom of it[/spoiler]

Pep, welcome on receiving end of my aggression, i really hoped i could have more civil game this time[/quote]
To everyone:

People please read this and here is the question I'm presenting: in the post that Ram made before the one thst I'm qurently talking about, he said that my posts "full of" "lol" and "bad" are scummy yet now the only real word I'm seeing in his aggressive post is "meta". It is a poor word choice since there is nothing wrong with meta. We base our beliefs on what is towny and what is scummy on meta. He is pointing out obvious stiff that in no way makes an actual argument against my case and in the end his goal is just to try and discredit.

Also he says I base my stuff on other games, when most of his reads are based on his newbie game or gut.[/quote]

You should read it all over again, you called me out 5 times for not being same as in newbie game, and you explicitly several times said to base reads on meta is wrong, and i don't say your reads based on meta, i say your read on me based on meta

also, what about shade trowing? I quoted 3 examples of you doing so, and you telling shadowtrowing isn't scummy

Did i made your case on your meta? Only person i based on meta is Gamma, and even if i don't use meta, he did nothing, just bunch of useless spam, so yeah, i SR him not only for meta

Can you make your case against me in one post? I just want to see what you consider case against me, your ISO is way too big to search

And yes, loling and saying bad is very huge scum sign, cause you can't make anything useful, but have say something

And you so inconsistent, even if this post i quote, first you say we base our beliefs on meta, yet you say i'm scum for base my scumreads on meta and gut (which isn't true in most cases, does your read is based on your meta?)[/quote]
Lol, you haven't played enough then. I don't like saying things like that but I'm in 3 other games with very good and experienced players and I can tell you lol and bad aren't real scum signs. You need to be really dumb scum to do that. When I say that I just basically say that I find no need to explain why the post is bad or hilarious (or both).

On please read, cuz I'm getting a headache. I say you can start a case on meta from previous games, but you build it up with arguments from this game. Saying town!someone would do that in this situation IMO is an argument based on meta tho. So yeah, that is what I mean. I mostly said that you can't just form a read on someone based on there previous games or gut in this stage of the game (I belive we have enough content so if you are going to post reads make sure they are not fake af. If not, do like me. Wait till you feel better about your reads...or you can actually make them more believable).

No, the things you said were shadethrowing are not. I'm not going to explain why, since this is common knowledge and is overall dumb.

And yes, I will sum up my case on you when I have a bit more time.

[Pepchoninga]

Uuuuuuu, what happened O_O

[inspectorscout]

Is it me or
DID PEP JUST BREAK MY GAME

[Ramcius]

Pep, you still not answered everything:

1) i asked about your neutral POV, since neutral mean you are representing more than 1 faction, so what are other(s)?
2) Why shadetrowing isn't scummy?
3) what reads i based on meta?

[gerryoat]

VOTE: gerryoat

I really don't like this slot, and he jsut become more and more scummy with fluffing

lmao. nice omgus. as soon as i said you could be maf you vote me.

[gerryoat]

Why don't you like my slot before the "fluffing" please do tell

[Elena Fisher]

holy wall post.
You broke the game I'm impressed

[Pepchoninga]

Pep, you still not answered everything:

1) i asked about your neutral POV, since neutral mean you are representing more than 1 faction, so what are other(s)?
2) Why shadetrowing isn't scummy?
3) what reads i based on meta?

I answered all of this. Find them yourself and stop being a brat.

[Pepchoninga]

Is it me or
DID PEP JUST BREAK MY GAME

Of course I did...

I'M THE ALL MIGHTY GOD OF GODS.

Now give me an award.

[Transcend]

Btw i read the thread backwards and don't know who Elena replaced, but she's scum

[gerryoat]

Ram and manuel keep pushing on arbitrary things which is why i think they are maf.

[Pepchoninga]

holy wall post.
You broke the game I'm impressed

You'll find yourself impressed with my astonishing feats a lot. That's just how cool I am

[gerryoat]

Btw i read the thread backwards and don't know who Elena replaced, but she's scum

Indigo. and she did use the universal maf signal. but i'll give her more time, mostly cause i dont remember indigo being in this game lol

[Pepchoninga]

Ram and manuel keep pushing on arbitrary things which is why i think they are maf.

Great, vote Ram. My blood is itching for his lynch. I will post my case on him in one post (his request) when I get a brake of mor ethen 15 minutes.

Also please read some of my interactions with him and tell me what you think.