Open 669 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[havingfitz]

Been off the net all day. Should be caught up and posting nlt tomorrow morning.

[Revan]

This is going to be a hard time for lurkers, all you pro-activity guys and all.

I've almost established a framework for this game. These interactions are really, really SOUR.

[doomfeathers]

Sesq, I've explained my vote on you. Would you mind explaining your vote on me?

[Revan]

@Lucca how much do you value transparency in town on a scale from 1-10?

I personally rank it at a solid 7.

[lucca261]

This is going to be a hard time for lurkers, all you pro-activity guys and all.

I've almost established a framework for this game. These interactions are really, really SOUR.

I was definitely sour. Reading, analysing and making those walls was taking a toll on my will to live.

@Lucca how much do you value transparency in town on a scale from 1-10?

I personally rank it at a solid 7.

Depends on the setup and the situation. I would say a 5. Why do you ask?

[Sesq]

Wow, I want to play Doom for an hour, get something quick to eat, chat with friends, and now I have the largest wagon on me for doing the same shit as at least 2 other (FC and Revan, perhaps others I forgot or more in the future). Also, the one post that people seem to think is scummy (the one where I re-voted on Doom) was because he had those "lol im beginner" post, and thinking i was trying to wagon despite it being within the first 3 votes out of 7 required for lynch. Also, I was re-voting from what was technically pre-game, which I was unaware of. In fact, if we wish to talk about wagons, how about Hawk or Mozamis (of whom has contributed very little, may I add.) This is fucking imbecilic. Anyway, here's your reads, by person:

Mozamis - The wagon hop onto me (with Hawk), them mutually townreading eachother, and overall him not contributing much makes it clear who my vote is going with.
Magna - Normal town responses, it looks like. Null-town.
Hawk - The aforementioned, looks like a possible scumteam with Mozamis. Other posts seem to be going down kind of random trails. It could possibly be a town player who's just kinda disconnected with the game.
wgeurts - Real meaty scumhunting. Strong townread. His vote for me over FC when we are literally on the same level on his reads I'm not taking as anything, it could just as well be FC as I.
Revan - One of those near-nothing posters. A bit more than I remembered, but it's all fluff.
Ultimate Despair - Hasn't done anything. I don't know.
lucca261 - Posts look fine enough, but I have this extremely unshakeable gut feeling this guy is scum, if not Mozamis or Hawk. I'm not voting him for it unless I see anything with my brain.
Superhans - Came in, quoted Donkey Ollie, and left. Absolutely nothing to tell.
Friend Computer - Has done much less than I and yet has no votes. This is idiocy.
doomfeathers - This one is interesting. There was some weird LAMIST stuff, they voted for me, I have no idea where to place them now. They are outside ranking.
havingfitz - "catching up". No reads yet, obviously.

So with all that I'm indeed going VOTE: Mozamis.

[doomfeathers]

'Kay, thanks. That'll do.

VOTE: Friendly Computer

[Sesq]

Oh yeah, and I was going to post a ranking, from towniest to scummiest. Here we go:

UNCATEGORICAL:
Ultimate Despair
Superhans
havingitz

none of them have done anything, so, nothing for now.
TOWN:
wgeurts

NULLTOWN:
Magna
Revan

NULL:
doomfeathers

NULLSCUM:
lucca261 (it's all gut, idk)
Friend Computer

SCUM:
Hawk
Mozamis

I should point out that FC is kind of "too little to post", but I think it's enough for placement.

PEDIT: I feel as if df didn't fully read my post...

[Friend Computer]

Wagons aren't always a bad thing, as Hawk said.

I would FOS Magna, but his scumhunting makes me inclined to believe he is town.

[Sesq]

Wagons aren't always a bad thing, as Hawk said.

I would FOS Magna, but his scumhunting makes me inclined to believe he is town.

It was a kinda bad one, and of right now is a definitely worse one than yours.

[doomfeathers]

I feel as if df didn't fully read my post...

I did, actually. But even if I hadn't, you've now generated content, showing a commitment to the game and allowing us to read you. My vote now moves on.

[doomfeathers]

Well, that's at least some content.

UNVOTE: Friend Computer

I need to think about my next votee.

[Sesq]

Well, that's at least some content.

UNVOTE: Friend Computer

I need to think about my next votee.

It's content, but is it meaningful content? One of scum's easiest things is posting just to post without being productive and tricking town into thinking they are.

[Friend Computer]

Currently nulltownreading Sesq and Magna. Can't really get any other reads this early.

[Ultimate Despair]

UD – why are you signing posts when you are supposed to be a hidden hydra? I mean if you specifically aren’t outing your heads you should be specifically treated as if you are a single player.

It's so we can be told apart. For instance if I believe that so-and-so is scum and Mukuro believes someone else is scum, you can go and say "Junko, what makes you disagree with your hydra head?" Especially because we might not always agree on reads!

- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

taking doomfeathers confusion about game mechanics at face value.
seems an unnecessary scum gambit. so he's provisional town.

I don't see this? It's not a gambit, he loses nothing if he goes through with it, and it might get him townread by people like you. Why do you feel it's unecessary?

- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

It could clog up the thread if done right. I read an article about that.

I don't buy that you actually thought it would clog up the thread.

- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

It's just you overly analysing things to try and look town, look that you are scumhunting. You can find scum that early. But posting this big explanations of why this is scum and why this is town so early makes me think you are just trying to look like the strong analytic town member, instead of being it.

What characteristics does a strong analytic town member have that Magna doesn't though - I mean, do you think that an actual analysis-freak would NOT post those big explanations?

- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

I misread some stuff earlier, ignore that post I made on ultimate completely as I hadn't seen that he was pointing out Doom's behaviour. If anything I'd call that ever so slightly town, what I said earlier is wrong.

...so what did you mistakenly think I was trying to say?

- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

Time to scum hunt on the Sesq wagon.

@doom:

Sesq has posted five times, but has neither generated content nor voted seriously. She seems to be coasting. Friend Computer has done the same.

Inactive player is more scummy than all the other players you were analyzing? Is this really the strongest vote you could come up with at that time?

@mozamis:

It could be scum using the non day 1 start as an excuse to jump on the doom wagon.

This is a patently made up reason. I think Sesq's intentions were clear. You don't really believe this, do you?

VOTE: mozamis

also: why is doom town rather than NAI?


- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

Hawk or Mozamis (of whom has contributed very little, may I add.)

Why would you think this

The wagon hop onto me (with Hawk), them mutually townreading eachother, and overall him not contributing much makes it clear who my vote is going with.

Scum hardly ever hop onto wagons together and then mutually townread each other.

- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

Town are lucca, Revan and Hawk.

- Junko

[doomfeathers]

@doom:

Sesq has posted five times, but has neither generated content nor voted seriously. She seems to be coasting. Friend Computer has done the same.

Inactive player is more scummy than all the other players you were analyzing? Is this really the strongest vote you could come up with at that time?

As I stated earlier, a temporary vote can be used to prod a player to post more. It wasn't because I viewed Sesq as scummier than others.

[doomfeathers]

Quick readlist:

Town:
wgeurts
lucca261

Probably town:
MagnaofIllusion

Maybe town:
mozamis
Sesq
Ultimate Despair

Slightly suspicious:
Hawk
Revan

Suspicious:
Friend Computer

Lurking so far:
Superhans
havingfitz

VOTE: Friend Computer

He seems eager to post, but not to further the discussion. It's mostly a gut read.

[Hawk]

I'm still searching for where I townread mozamis since apparently I missed something the Sesq pointed out. I don't particularly find his content all that informative or thrilling.

TheLegend27 is town
Soft town leans on Magna, UD, and Lucca.

Scum leans on Mozamis and Sesq tho to be honest only one of the two is probably scum and I don't have enough content from Mozamis to assess but I'm not sure where Sesq thinks I was town reading him prior...

Null everyone else or if leans they're not super strong plus two lurkers. I would like to get some more people to give listing opinions so we can compare names. I'm sure Magna would appreciate this as well if I'm to understand his playstyle.

Pedit: thanks Doom. I don't really like the way you're playing but I guess it's not that scummy... I would rather us stay on a wagon longer so we can get some good back and forth with a person rather than the few posts from Sesq and FC.