OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:27 pm

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In post 864, grapes wrote:
DAY 2 VC 002


Gamma Emerald ( 4 ) -
(Kop, Realeo, Superhans, Dunnstral)
ThinkBig ( 4 ) -
(Desperado, Gamma Emerald, Alisae, davesaz)
Realeo ( 1 ) -
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Not Voting ( 1 ) -
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(expired on 2017-01-21 05:24:02) remain until deadline.
Ah, Superhans voted GE. I need to iso that.
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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:32 pm

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In post 1223, Regfan wrote:
In post 1222, Desperado wrote:@ Reg: I think it was the former and I think Hans has been snowing me all day
Can you run me through your vote placement on Kop over Hans in that case? I mean I certainly don't mind it, I just want to hear your thought process behind it since it's not walked through inside your ISO. Also did you ever take a quick look at TB's meta (If so before or after I replaced in)? Would also like your read on Dunn & Alisea so we can discuss the similarities/differences between our reads there when I'm done reading them.
I'm not ready to flip my interpretation of the game state completely and I don't want to vote dave or Ali. I think they're town, I think scum really thought I was the traitor, and that's why a wagon never materialized on me despite all of the traitor talk d1.

I didn't look at his meta and haven't since you replaced in, no. I'm taking your word for it.

For Ali, see above. For Dunn, I can't really point to anything specific, I just feel town emanating from his posts and have all game.
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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:36 pm

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@Regfan: SuperHans do seems opportunistic at Gamma wagon? You want to play more attention at that.
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:40 pm

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^

I fucked up that one. Proceed.
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:41 pm

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In post 1138, Superhans wrote:However, when voting Gamma, I wasn't saying that I was voting Gamma BECAUSE of the death of SSBM, I was saying that I was continuing her push onto Gamma, not accusing Gamma of NKing her.
If you can re-elaborate it more, I feel better @ you.
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:55 pm

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I don't like Kops reasoning for suspecting Ssbm inside and find his vote on Gamma inside scum motivated and dislike how quickly he drops his SH suspicion from earlier. I liked most of Kops analysis of AHs case on TB inside but the lack of conclusion or read actually drawn from it is really concerning. His stance on "I don't do scum reads early game, just want information" inside is something I'll need to verify with his meta because otherwise this looks like creating an excuse to not scumhunt or look at other avenues. I found the Gamma vote inside as a fairly reasonable one given AH's actions D1. The decrease in activity and lack of reaction towards his scum read (Gammas) claim is a fairly big scum tell as is his pop in agreement on TB being mafia inside , Dunn and myself went into it earlier but he's effectively scum reading TB for reading AH as a traitor and backing off and that's not a reasonable thought process based on what's been offered, it looks more a case of setting up an opportunity to move his vote from Gamma to ThinkBig. I'll need to take a quick look at his meta but think there's a very decent chance that he's mafia here and think the Ssbm kill makes slightly more sense with Kop being mafia.
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:01 pm

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@Desperado - I obviously agree with your Kop scum read and vote but can you explain why
you
think Kops more likely mafia than anyone else at the moment, your prior post sort of lacks that. Outside of Dave having thought you're the traitor what's your read on him? And can you run me through an overall idea of where you're at with SH at the moment since you seem to have him in a funny position.
In post 1227, Realeo wrote:@Regfan: SuperHans do seems opportunistic at Gamma wagon? You want to play more attention at that.
I'll be taking a look at SH's progression behind his read on Gamma/AH/TB again once I've finished catching up on everyone. There's elements of his play that come across as town but Desperados not wrong in that SH's play today also makes sense as scum that's buddying up to his TB case, the fact that he's constantly referring to Desperados reasoning behind thinking TB is mafia than his own is indeed a problem.
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:23 pm

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In post 1231, Regfan wrote:@Desperado - I obviously agree with your Kop scum read and vote but can you explain why you think Kops more likely mafia than anyone else at the moment, your prior post sort of lacks that. Outside of Dave having thought you're the traitor what's your read on him? And can you run me through an overall idea of where you're at with SH at the moment since you seem to have him in a funny position.
Not really no. Of course my prior posts lack that--I've been pushing ThinkBig as scum and I still believe in that but your hard townread means it isn't going to happen. Kop is a compromise and nothing more than that really.

Dave looks like lazy town and the specifics surrounding the traitor push are enough for me to not want to lynch him.

I do have SH in a funny position; if my reads are wrong, Super will have been my biggest blindspot but like I said, I'm not ready to let go of that completely just yet.
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:07 pm

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Went over Kops ISO again and there's still not much inside it that reads as town and genuine scumhunting, I find there's a severe lack of stances taken from him throughout the game; there's nearly no town reads mentioned from him and his scum reads on Gamma & more recently TB both come across as opportunistic. I dislike the manner he dropped his SH scum read and never went back to it. Yeah I'm willing to throw down a vote here for now;

Vote: Kop


@Desperado - I'm just trying to work out why you selected Kop over
everyone
else, is it a case of everyone else leaning somewhat town or is it a case of finding certain aspects of Kops play to make more sense as mafia? I recognise that you've been playing most of this day phase with the impression that it's a world where ThinkgBig is mafia and like that you acknowledge there isn't a chance I'm letting him get lynched while alive but I don't think just putting SH entirely to the side is the best way to handle that given not much will change in the gamestate any time soon. I'd also like you to analyse TB yourself and state a read on him with the information I've provided (Not necessarily just meta wise) rather than just deciding he's not the avenue for today.
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:21 pm

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Why did I select Kop over any else? Let's see...

Gamma - PR claim
Ali - Traitor push
Dave - Ditto
Dunn - Town
Real - Town
ThinkBig - Not happening today

That leaves Kop and Superhans. Don't really think I need to explain why I would make that choice.
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:30 pm

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Why does the traitor push make alisae town? How would alisae know AH was traitor?
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:30 pm

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Same for Dave I guess
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:39 pm

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In post 1226, Desperado wrote:I'm not ready to flip my interpretation of the game state completely and I don't want to vote dave or Ali. I think they're town, I think scum really thought I was the traitor, and that's why a wagon never materialized on me despite all of the traitor talk d1.
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:52 pm

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I think the push on you being traitor wasn't very strong? I remember not believing it
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:57 pm

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Ali, Dave, and AH all pushed me openly as traitor. A wagon never materialized. Why?

^This is another big reason I think ThinkBig is scum. Ali was his biggest townread for the entirety of D1 but he literally never even mentions me w/r/t being a traitor.

Why do you suppose that is?
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:01 pm

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In post 512, grapes wrote:
DAY 1 VC 008


Antihuman ( 3 ) -
(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko)
Desperado ( 2 ) -
(Dunnstral, Alisae)
Realeo ( 1 ) -
(algebra)
Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) -
(Realeo)
Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(davesaz)
ThinkBig ( 1 ) -
(Antihuman)
Dunnstral ( 1 ) -
(ThinkBig)

Not Voting ( 2 ) -
(Superhans, Kop)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
In post 609, grapes wrote:
DAY 1 VC 009


Antihuman ( 5 ) -
(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae)
ThinkBig ( 3 ) -
(Antihuman, Superhans, Realeo)
Desperado ( 2 ) -
(Dunnstral, davesaz)
Realeo ( 1 ) -
(algebra)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -
(Kop)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.

Prodding Kop and Gamma Emerald.
Let me know if the VC is incorrect for some reason.

No deadline extension.
In post 669, grapes wrote:
DAY 1 VC 010


Antihuman ( 5 ) -
(Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans)
ThinkBig ( 3 ) -
(Antihuman, Realeo, Desperado)
Desperado ( 1 ) -
(Dunnstral)
Realeo ( 1 ) -
(algebra)
Kop ( 1 ) -
(ssbm_Kyouko)

Not Voting ( 1 ) -
(Kop)

Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
Ali and dave both jump off of you to vote ah

He was scum, yes, but of course they don't know that. And if they thought you were traitor I'd say it looks scummy. They never really let your wagon take off
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:21 pm

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But why would either of them announce in thread that they thought I was the traitor as scum?
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:25 pm

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I guess, though alternatively I don't see why scum has to tell the truth about their traitor reads. What was the case on you being traitor again? I recall Alisae was talkinga bout realeo using too many emoticons as a form of role softing around the time
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:27 pm

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No. It was ssbm kyouko
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:27 pm

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In post 487, Alisae wrote:
In post 485, Desperado wrote:
In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
So do you still think Antihuman is scum?
Ye.
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In post 476, Realeo wrote:
In post 474, Alisae wrote:I'll get to my thoughts about the last 11 pages later, I'm gonna go to bed actually pretty soon.
But yeah, I'm just gonna leave this here
VOTE: Desperado
Obvious Traitor
Desperado obv Traitor, maybe...

But Desperado + MariaR -> traitor... I don'k think so.

What are you talking about

What does MariaR have to do with it
In post 155, MariaR wrote:Oh no I'm found scum in 155 posts
...so scary
This. I basicly saw this and thought traitor. Yes it's probably mocking TB, but Traitors want to make it very obvious to their scumteam that they are the traitor. You seriously have no idea how obvious they will be just to show that they are the traitor.
Wait - The basis for you being traitor accounted for TB being scum?
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:27 pm

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In post 1243, Realeo wrote:No. It was ssbm kyouko
oh. is that why you killed him?
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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:28 pm

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In post 492, Alisae wrote:TB - Probably Town
Nah It wasn't the basis of the traitor read
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:30 pm

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In post 1245, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1243, Realeo wrote:No. It was ssbm kyouko
oh. is that why you killed him?
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Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:32 pm

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RIP
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Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:35 pm

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In post 540, davesaz wrote:Just realized I've been reading but not posting.
In retrospect I think MariaR did indeed crumb traitor. Too late at night to dig further but I can vote at least.
VOTE: Desperado
In post 644, davesaz wrote:I do not agree with the common assessment of AH's entrance. I think he ISO'd the people on the biggest wagon and posted a legitimate case on one of them as a form of catchup.
In post 645, davesaz wrote:I still think Desperado would be the best lynch.
In post 654, davesaz wrote:Unofficial VC
Antihuman ( 5 ) - (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ThinkBig, Alisae, Superhans)
ThinkBig ( 2 ) - (Antihuman, Realeo)
Desperado ( 2 ) - (Dunnstral, davesaz)
Realeo ( 1 ) - (algebra)
Gamma Emerald (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (1) - Kop
8 hours remaining

I still have doubts about Antihuman being scum but it's in town's best interests to avoid a no-lynch. And I could be wrong...
VOTE: Antihuman

That should be L-1. Superhans' vote was not because ssbm_Kyouko had moved off.
I don't know where you got that dave was pushing you all day as you say later; he just says you can be traitor and votes you: which he can do if he's mafia that doesn't buy into the honestly dumb traitor hunt

He does nothing to push that and then votes the largest wagon - if he's scum it's rather unlucky that traitor died while he was set to coast pushing you
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