Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Pepchoninga]

Reads by group, town at top

Manuel87
Ramcius
gerryoat

Alisae
BigYoshiFan

drealmerz7
Transcend
Pine
Jaack
Elena Fisher

Indigo

kuror0
Lemon Tree
PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald
ConManMick

Pepchoninga
ironstove

Explain why you town read Ram. Explain why you town read Alisae. Explain why you scumread me.

[Pepchoninga]

When it comes to Kuror0, Manuel, and Mick. I don't like Mick's Ironstove vote mostly because I think Ironstove is playing the lynchbait card. Iron is lynchbait and is being pushed as lynchbait sorta suggests he's town.

Hmm, it might be a possibility that Kuror0 and Mack are paired, maybe even with Manuel.
Garry says that Kuror0 misreps him and Mack instantly jumps on Garry for misrepping.
Not to mention I say something about misrepresentation and he answers that when it was directed towards Mack, which also seems wierd. I don't think Kuror0 had any reason to answer my quesiton so him suddenly answering it seems wierd.
Also what I find wierd is that Manuel never interacted with Garry and he thinks that Garry is scum until Manuel gives a case on Garry.
So yeah, I'll be adding a body to the Mack wagon and maybe a flip will help me sorta understand what happened there.
VOTE: Mack

I haven't been liking Ram's posts.
And as for Gamma I don't like how he used the shitposting to blend in. Doesn't seem like what I expect from Gamma.

Also Pine is a strong TR mostly because his response to me saying get your own reads seems to be coming from town.
With that said I do want some more content from him.

Iron

747 seems pretty scummy to me.

If he knows he's lynchbait then it seems like the answer would be to scumhunt.

ConMick

His 438 says why he voted iron- how did you come up with the "lynchbait" interpretation?

Manuel

Not sure what this means:

Also what I find wierd is that Manuel never interacted with Garry and he thinks that Garry is scum until Manuel gives a case on Garry.

Why is it weird to think someone is scum and give a case on them? Sounds like SoP.

Ram

To me, seems to be calling Pepo out on his posts, and whatever Pepo is selling as his reasons, Ram is not buying.

Pine

Meh. Maybe.

It's not that he didn't by my content actually. He was just actively trying to discredit it. Unfortunately the wagon didn't get much and also you didn't seem interested in interacting with Ram yourselves.

[Pine]

I don't see scum coming up with a out-of-the-blue hard TR on Ramcius right now. There's no benefit.

Consider the following from Scum!PV's perspective:

-If you think that Ram is Town, why use your clout to help him? Let him soak a mislynch. Put him in your null reads to avoid suspicion, maybe on the null-Town side if you really want to fish for Towncred should he flip Town.
-If you think Ram is opposing scum, you definitely don't go out on a limb for him. You push for his lynch.
-If you think he's null, just toss him in with the rest.

[Pine]

By the way, for future reference, this is how you use a strong scumgame to bolster your Towngame. Figure out cost/benefit to possible actions, and then try to assess what you'd do as scum in their place. When it doesn't fit with their actions, they're either a newbie, an idiot, or Town. PV is not an idiot, and he's not new. It's plausible he's going for an elaborate attempt at mining Towncred, but it doesn't work from a risk/reward perspective.

[Alisae]

-If you think Ram is opposing scum, you definitely don't go out on a limb for him. You push for his lynch.

Hmm...
Pine, fruit for thought:
Jaack scum.

Thoughts?

[Transcend]

Hi i just lost a game can i have a shoulder to cry on

[Alisae]

Trans I just lost that game with you xD

[Alisae]

Also you never gave me the origonal image that you currently have for your avi so I could resize it for you and make the quality better

[Transcend]

Yeah but it's not your fault

[Alisae]

/me gives Transcend all the scooby snacks.

Don't feel bad. It happens to the best of us.
Tho what we do in those kind of situations is take in where you messed up and then learn from your mistakes.
It's like writing an essay for HS. Ya get a bad grade on one paper? Maybe the next one will be better cuz you can look at it and see where you fucked up.
It's all part of human error.
Don't be discouraged. You're amazing.

[Transcend]

{Ram, kuror0, Manuel, Mick, Gamma}

That is a fuck ton of bottom tier scum reads btw

[Transcend]

Thanks man, means a lot.

[Alisae]

{Ram, kuror0, Manuel, Mick, Gamma}

That is a fuck ton of bottom tier scum reads btw

I thought 5 would be acceptable considering 17 player multiball. No?

[Transcend]

I guess there's this one to improve in

Like I'm shitty lately so i doubt scum will n1 me.

[Transcend]

{Ram, kuror0, Manuel, Mick, Gamma}

That is a fuck ton of bottom tier scum reads btw

I thought 5 would be acceptable considering 17 player multiball. No?

No that's fine but like there's hard scum and null scum. Clustering all these players in the hard scum tier confuses me. Do you really have that many hard scum reads?

[Alisae]

{Ram, kuror0, Manuel, Mick, Gamma}

That is a fuck ton of bottom tier scum reads btw

I thought 5 would be acceptable considering 17 player multiball. No?

No that's fine but like there's hard scum and null scum. Clustering all these players in the hard scum tier confuses me. Do you really have that many hard scum reads?

I'm sorta mixing both hard and not as hard scum in there. Jaack's line is the null line for me.
Pere started to look better btw so I guess I could move him up.
Drealmerz dissapeared so null.
Lemon needs to catch up.
And PenguinPower is god knows where?

[Alisae]

If you want me to sort my scumreads out I'll do that right now.
{Ram, Gamma, Kuror0, Manuel}
{Jaack, Mick}
More I think about Jaack, the more I think he could possibly be scum.

[Manuel87]

That same intuition tells me Manuel is town. Look at 801. Scum has no need to go through so much trouble to back up their read, especially on day1. And a lot of it comes from your sussing out of Transcend.

not with his bad reason for having a fos on me he isnt.

I have yet to see you argue about my case. You didnt comment on any of the points i made against you. (Like everyone else defending you or scumreading me for my case on you)
I also want to mention that i already voided one of your reasons to scumread me.

Manuel, its that I don't remember seeing them interact with Garry up to the point where Manuel gave his case on Garry. It feels like the scumread just suddenly appeared.

I explained my read on him when he asked me. You might want to read that part again before misreping it.

The only person to give me a decent reason for his TR on gerry was PeregrineV. Even thoughas i explained i think his reasoning is wrong at least he has reasons.
Everyone else defending him doesnt even try to tell me why he is town for them. This huge unexplained resistance on that slot makes me scumread him even more.
- Transcend has a TR on Gerry since early on that he cant/wont explain. Yet as i said its something Trans did in both games i played with him as town.
- Jaack defended him a little bit and explained it with gut feeling
--- Alisae, Pine, BYF all chanisaw defended him quite hard without explaining why they think he is town or trying to show me why they think my arguments are supposed to be bad. If gerry flips red those 3 are the first we have to look into.

[Transcend]

I've explained my read on gerry several times. Do you need me to give it to you again?

[Alisae]

The Jaack sh1t case:

I felt really uncomfortable about this slot for most of the game. I nullread it just mostly because tone was wierd. Then I figured that him being null read is sorta puts him a good position.

He was mostly pushing Ramcius most of the game. Sure he probably has some good points up to where he votes Pep. If anything to me this seems like jumping on the Pep wagon at the wrong time if we consider Pep to be lynchbait. Plus I'm sorta getting the feeling that he doesn't really scumreads Pep as hard as he scumreads Ramcius in that post. Also later he mentions something about Pep attempting to save his own skin when he should be trying to push Manuel. Ehh, I would agree if Pep was simply better at videa gamez, but I don't. I know Pep a bit more then ywall, I would probably describe him as a newbie. Still getting the swing of things and he doesn't really seem to know how to exactly deal with people who are SRing him yet alone not get SR'd.

I think it's around the time he produces his big readlist he starts to make me feel very uncomfortable. Like if I could put my finger on it, maybe it seemed like he was trying to pocket me in a really indirect fashion? Maybe it was that he was chainsawing me?
After I convince him to get back on Ram, he starts pushing that again. His points on him are kind of strong.
Not to mention if he gets swayed from one of his scumreads to jump on the other he'll show his support for that lynch. I sorta do this too as town, but it seems hypocritical to attack Ram by saying that he doesn't care where his vote goes where Jaack's own vote acts sorta similarly.

That's the case folks!

[Transcend]

Tldr

[Alisae]

I explained my read on him when he asked me. You might want to read that part again before misreping it.

Naaaaaaah, you're misrepping me now.
You never interacted with him up to the point where he asked for a case.
If I phrased it differently sorry, that's what I meant.

[Alisae]

oh tldr for the Jaaaack shitcase.
1. Tone makes me feel uncomfortable with the slot.
2. Pushes Ram but then hops on the Pep wagon at the wrong time.
3. His attempts to indirectly pocket me and/or chainsawing me by pushing Ram
4. Attacking Ram for not really caring where his vote went where I felt like Jaack didn't really care where he put his votes as long sa it was on a scumread.
Yet again I end up doing the last point a lot as town so ehhhh.

[Manuel87]

I explained my read on him when he asked me. You might want to read that part again before misreping it.

Naaaaaaah, you're misrepping me now.
You never interacted with him up to the point where he asked for a case.
If I phrased it differently sorry, that's what I meant.

It is true that i didnt interact with him until i mentioned my sr on him but the point you make is that i made a case without interacting with him.
I gave the case when he asked me why he is in my scumreads.

Either way i dont see what is bad about developing a scumread on someone.
Please explain how it makes me scum when you dont even take your time to argue about my points on him.

[Transcend]

oh tldr for the Jaaaack shitcase.
1. Tone makes me feel uncomfortable with the slot.
2. Pushes Ram but then hops on the Pep wagon at the wrong time.
3. His attempts to indirectly pocket me and/or chainsawing me by pushing Ram
4. Attacking Ram for not really caring where his vote went where I felt like Jaack didn't really care where he put his votes as long sa it was on a scumread.
Yet again I end up doing the last point a lot as town so ehhhh.

Tldr