Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]


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Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:01 am

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VOTE: PP

I don't trust this new guy in town.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #1) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:36 am

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In post 134, Realeo wrote:
In post 132, Vedith wrote:
In post 129, Realeo wrote:Explain to me as a 5 yo. Help me identify you as either paranoid town or opportunistic scum.
When I was 5, I was eating dirt. Not sure I really understood much at that age.
When I was 5, I made my first check-mate. :mrgreen:
And I got my first 4 move mate as a 14 y/o, I also ran the school chess club, so what if you made a checkmate. That's besides the point though, I'm going to struggle to apply logic to this thread tonight as I got home from school two and a half hours ago, left 45 minutes later returned 70 minutes later and I have to go out again in 20 minutes for 2 hours, which takes me round to 10 p.m. GMT by which time I will lack the capacity to pick up my phone and read this.
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Post Post #374 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:04 am

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I'd vote for cheesy, he just doesn't sit right with me (up to p.13), but I need a VC.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:05 am

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From my experience with Vedith/Trans, his scum meta is shitposting and his town meta is shitposting, I haven't seen much of either yet.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:08 am

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Oh, I'm not going to say my logical conclusion from that because it will get Ved nk'd, this would line up with his cop comment as well.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #5) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:59 am

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Realeo sounds a bit like me when I started, unsure of reads, lacks town content, seems like the hallmarks of noobtown.
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Post Post #423 (isolation #6) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:03 pm

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In post 393, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 391, LicketyQuickety wrote:Hi, I'm Scum, lynch me.
In post 392, LicketyQuickety wrote:
HELLO THREAD!!! I AM SCUM!!! SHOW UP AND LYNCH THIS SCUM CLAIM, THANKS!!!
WTF????
Thinkbig not thinking quite so big, my immediate reaction is that he's bs ing, its too good to be true 99% of the time, and that's even higher chance in Mafia.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #7) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:14 pm

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They share the same profile picture so I thought there was a name change :/ @LQ
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Post Post #536 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:28 am

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In post 482, Cheesy wrote:
In post 378, Cheesy wrote:
In post 374, tojam2 wrote:I'd vote for cheesy, he just doesn't sit right with me (up to p.13), but I need a VC.
What do you need VC for?
In post 376, tojam2 wrote:Oh, I'm not going to say my logical conclusion from that because it will get Ved nk'd, this would line up with his cop comment as well.
Come again? Did you just try to out him as a pr while saying you don't wanna do it?
Respond
I can't be sure in that situation whether I should conf him town or wait.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:34 am

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I'm here!
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Post Post #739 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:34 am

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Meant to post this morning but my bus was quick to school.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:40 am

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If it's TvT or TvS either determine scum or f*** the argument and move onto something more productive.

I'm going to move my vote onto someone who I feel is spouting bs.
VOTE: Realeo
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Post Post #778 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:06 pm

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In post 129, Realeo wrote:I would like to request an answer on this.

Why people make such a big deal on "parking the vote and unvoting"? I'm trying to understand your perspective. I have seen people being questioned for their playing style, but I am trying to think how the "parking the vote and unvoting" can be something that is AI (Alignment indicative).

I mean, at best, It's NAI. At worst, it's AI (Asshole indicative) which LQ pointed out.

Explain to me as a 5 yo. Help me identify you as either paranoid town or opportunistic scum.
In post 133, Realeo wrote:@Gamma
No! That's not park! That's tunnel!

Park is when you move your vote to someone that you don't really fos, but that vote is better to be invested at someone than being "unemployed"

But still. That only invites confusion. It doesn't invite vote or fos.
Congrats, you answered your own question, of course, I can't tell quite how 'in the moment' this is because all of you post 4-8 hours after me.
In post 154, Realeo wrote:First of alll, I want to congratulate everyone for making 7 page in less than 24 hours. This is a good work and I believe with high contribution, we can solve the game.

Second, I'm off to bed. Good night!
Thanks for making a completely irrelevant comment.
In post 400, Realeo wrote:
In post 399, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 398, nn30 wrote:????
My confidence was cause by talking to some people and now I feel more confident at this game. I Scum claimed so that people would actually say something in the thread instead of waiting hours and hours until someone has a mediocre remark to make.
You're trying too hard.

You see, since scumhunting doesn't work, let us do town hunting and make a POE lynch.

My town list:

LQ
cheesy
nn30
SnarkySnowman

What's yours?
So you town read some of the murkiest figures (but seemingly not me) and you say it's possible to try too hard by attempting to generate action.

Feel free to add to the bs count.
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Post Post #779 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:09 pm

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Oh, that replacement was appropriately timed as well.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:01 am

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Vex, is there a reason you've come in hellbent on lynching me without quoting any of my content?
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Post Post #783 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:03 am

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Okay, once but it was literally the post before yours.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #16) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:05 am

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Also, can someone explain the difference between opportunistic voting and demonstrative voting.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #17) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:06 am

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In post 780, aronagrundy wrote:Did you not know he replaced out?
I missed it among the prods.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:20 pm

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In post 789, Gamma Emerald wrote:WTF are you talking about tojam
I'm voting to try and make a point.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:23 pm

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Also Vax you're still dodging my question:

Why are you hellbent on lynching me even though you haven't quoted anything worth it of mine?
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Post Post #838 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:51 am

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@Vax quote it and explain why you think that then, you're still dodging my point.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:53 am

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@Vax, the last time I proposed an infolynch I lost the game.
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Post Post #868 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:52 pm

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@Vax, just because someone has replaced out doesn't mean my opinion of them changes, in fact, in the circumstances it puts him in a worse light.
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Post Post #869 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:53 pm

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You're not convincing me as the towniest person here either.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #24) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:17 am

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Cheesy+LQ is your vote on Titus a park?
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Post Post #885 (isolation #25) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:47 am

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@LQ, I just don't remember you voting so I thought it was a while ago.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #26) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:18 am

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In post 871, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 868, tojam2 wrote:@Vax, just because someone has replaced out doesn't mean my opinion of them changes, in fact, in the circumstances it puts him in a worse light.
Oh I am quite aware. I'm also aware of the fact that in newbie games the replacement slot is more often scum.

Unfortunately, this is not a newbie game, and there are not good stats for replacements in anything other than newbie games.

ALSO, you waited to put your vote on them after the player left.

So those circumstances put you in a worse light.
Well observed, he's only played for 9 months though and seems to be playing quite like me in June/July, I.e. unconfident scum. It's dawned on me that he could be unconfident PR but we can debate that later.

Also, call me a dumb s*** but I didn't see his replace request until arona showed me.
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Post Post #887 (isolation #27) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:20 am

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Read list:
Town
Vedith's Slot (sry replacement)
aroma
Bunch of nulls
Realeo's slot
Vax
Scum
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Post Post #888 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:21 am

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I meant aronagrundy, sorry about autocorrect.
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:33 am

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GE no masons here.
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:46 am

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Grey is either the best scum player or Realeo was as bad as I said.

I'm not really seeing a lot about TB these past few, pages, has it been given up on? Maybe it's best to do a no-lynch based on the low chance of landing scum.
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:19 pm

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Well we all know if Titus pushes this lynch, she's scum. I can prove my innocence any time I need.
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Post Post #1693 (isolation #32) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:45 pm

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In post 1589, Titus wrote:
In post 1587, tojam2 wrote:Well we all know if Titus pushes this lynch, she's scum. I can prove my innocence any time I need.
Interesting, why are you supposing I checked you when all i did was vote to start conversation?
It was conditional, I'm surprised arona jumped on this lynch too, is there some kind of scum mis-com here. Day 2 RVS isn't very common, at least in the games I've played.
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Post Post #1694 (isolation #33) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:46 pm

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Fine, cheesy, who do you want me to kill tonight?
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Post Post #1695 (isolation #34) » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:47 pm

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Vax was my kill, hopefully we can make something of Realeo's stuff now we know all he said was to try and help town.
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #35) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:41 am

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Low Access over Christmas/ New Year, can we have a thread lockout on Christmas day?
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #36) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:48 am

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So we have 7 to choose from, a lynch, and someone for me to shoot tonight, assuming I get the chance. The nn wagon is rolling well but I'd like to look at associations with ThinkBig.
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #37) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:22 pm

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VOTE: nn30

Done it.
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Post Post #1776 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:48 am

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If he was your biggest tr, why was he rushing a lynch? Did that not seem suspicious at all especially when non flipped town.
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #39) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:51 am

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Also cheesy, I wouldn't rush another lynch, you've just set up a fight between 2 players so you can sit back and watch your victory come closer.
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #40) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:52 am

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I'm vig, so yes.
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #41) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:55 am

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LQ, Right now I wouldn't rule anyone out from being scum (except confs), so its either GE/culted or arona/cheesy, I think. Aroma just hasn't sat right with me this whole game, and I can't pick out why.
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #42) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:57 am

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Also, since when did town blocks ever work out without someone getting upset?

GE, you seem to agree on stuff, both pairs do.
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:32 am

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Looked through your ISO cheesy, can't say I saw any interaction with arona yet when you stated your reads yesterday (game time) you read her as town, you can't base a town read on nothing unless you're trying to make them look good.
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:43 am

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arona 1575 looks opportunistic, a vote with no reasoning.
Also you only mentioned cheesy once, when you questioned my request for a VC, I struggle to count votes on mobile BTW, and didn't mention him afterwards, also why do you care when I'm going to vote, so long as I back that lynch and may vote for it?

Also, since when was Mafia easy?
Dammit stop posting over me.
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Post Post #1813 (isolation #45) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:44 am

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In post 1804, LicketyQuickety wrote:Culted is polarizing the votes. I view this as a Scum tactic.
Good question, what does that mean?
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #46) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:39 pm

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In post 1818, aronagrundy wrote:
In post 165, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hm. Thinking TB and culted are not both scum-aligned. This looks a bit too out of sync to be scum theater.
I think this would be an easy post for scum!gamma to make. Would scum!gamma make a point to comment on scum!tb vs scum!culted?
In post 168, culted wrote:
In post 165, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hm. Thinking TB and culted are not both scum-aligned. This looks a bit too out of sync to be scum theater.
What's your read on TB independent of me?
This post makes me think gamma and culted aren't partnered either. I don't think the scumteam would make it a point to talk about each other right off the bat day 1.
In post 186, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 175, culted wrote:^scumpost
How?
Never mind lol. culted's post is talking about cheesy ftr. So it looks like regardless the scumteam ended up interacting with each other quite a bit early on. It's worth mentioning that gamma's comments this time are much less substantive than before.
If it's only 1 of culted and Gamma then the other must be cheesy then, right?

Alos, Fair enough, why do you think cheesy town reads you arona?
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Post Post #1823 (isolation #47) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:58 am

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That is, unless you yourself are scum.
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Post Post #1824 (isolation #48) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:59 am

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VOTE: Cheesy

Now we're all in agreement arona :) .
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Post Post #1836 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:43 pm

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Yh, my Revolver has 6 slots but for some reason I only loaded 2 bullets *shrug* .

Arona, it's not a case of probably voting cheesy for you, if you didn't vote then we got the whole partnership.
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:09 pm

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@arona, you said that there is 1 scum in culted/Gamma, there are 3 conftowns (me, LQ, Titus), you think you are town (for lack of better phrasing), therefore there is 1 scum slot left and 1 player left, cheesy, so if you follow my logic, if you didn't vote cheesy, you'd be outing the both of you as scum.

@Titus, I can't shoot regardless, I've shot my 2 bullets.
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:10 pm

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In post 1825, Ümläüt wrote:
Vote Count 3.1
culted:
Gamma Emerald, LicketyQuickety (L-2)
Cheesy:
tojam2, aronagrundy (L-2)
Gamma Emerald:
aronagrundy (L-3)
aronagrundy:
culted (L-3)


Not voting:
Titus

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2017-01-10 07:49:00).
Updated VC, I was losing track with all the quoted votes.
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #52) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:59 am

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So you're backing down from your only statement that there is only one in culted/GE?

VOTE: arona
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #53) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:00 pm

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Only?? Autocorrect maybe
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Post Post #1857 (isolation #54) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:32 pm

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Arona, from your perspective, not mine. I have been looking at you and cheesy for this entire day remember.
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Post Post #1861 (isolation #55) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:03 pm

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I'm here too.
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #56) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:05 pm

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In post 1856, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1855, aronagrundy wrote:I'm not sure how it was a power of suggestion comment. I've never seen anyone use that phrase on this site until now. If it was it wasn't intentional
There is no such thing as using power of suggestion without knowing that you are doing it...
I think there is such a thing, this is probably why I'm scumread most games.
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #57) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:12 pm

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@Umlaut, they'll still have banging headaches around about now, I stayed sober, I am fine :-)

Oh yeah, Happy New Year All!
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Post Post #1867 (isolation #58) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:39 am

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My location change seems appropriate for that comment.
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #59) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:22 am

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Welcome back Titus.
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #60) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:24 am

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Dammit GE and cheesy, we need you guys. They have 4 hours.
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Post Post #1880 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:01 am

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I'm voting cheesy already aren't I.
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Post Post #1891 (isolation #62) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:27 am

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VOTE: Cheesy

Oh, ok then.
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #63) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:06 pm

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VOTE: Gamma

I agree with Arona, this is lynch BTW.
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #64) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:52 pm

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VOTE: Cheesy
Quickhammering cheesy and him flipping town is a scumclaim in my eyes whoever hammers.
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Post Post #1936 (isolation #65) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:23 pm

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@cheesy, is this one of your alts? Only a long-time mafia player would think to do this. By the way there's a difference between sheeping and voting someone who's denying their scumclaim despite it being right there before our eyes.
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Post Post #1941 (isolation #66) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:19 am

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Fine, let's go detective:
Town Arona votes Gamma because:
Regardless of Gamma's flip, we know who we're lynching today.

Town Arona votes cheesy because:
He scumclaimed and outed his partner.

Scum Arona votes gamma because:
She knows they are scum and wants towncred for lynching scum.
Cheesy is probably going to get lynched the next day, taking it to 3p lylo
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Post Post #1942 (isolation #67) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:20 am

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Scum Arona votes cheesy because:
She needs to target the most vulnerable town to go to lylo.
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #68) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:23 am

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Scum cheesy scumclaims because:
He can't win and is stressed from tunneling.

Town cheesy scumclaims and outs Gamma because:
He has a strong hunch that gamma is scum and town will lynch gamma first.
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Post Post #1944 (isolation #69) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:25 am

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Got to say cheesy, you're convincing. Best plan of action is lynch you and Arona over these 2 days regardless of order.
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Post Post #1960 (isolation #70) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:54 am

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So culted, your more convinced that arona is scum, i'd say of the non-confs more people think its arona, so VOTE: arona after cheesy's explanation and arona's deflect to culted seal it for me too.
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Post Post #1961 (isolation #71) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:54 am

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Lynch btw.
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Post Post #1966 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:55 pm

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I'll let culted defend first.
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #73) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:42 am

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Can you each give me 5 reasons, with a quote why I shouldn't lynch you, with a quote, not doing so is a scumclaim. Yes I am abusing conftown status but its the easiest way to find scum in my opinion.
I don't want to be biased when its 50/50 either way.
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #74) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:43 am

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Ignore the double speech.
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Post Post #1972 (isolation #75) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:30 am

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Cheesy, to get someone else Lynched seems a poor reason to scumclaim as town, justify.
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #76) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:30 am

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Especially as you can't count on arena to make the suggestion she did.
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #77) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:00 am

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In post 156, Cheesy wrote:I don't see ThinkingBig as mafia for the moment.
In post 216, Cheesy wrote:So TB's town and Gamma's scum. Nice!
Why so forceful on lynches early game?
Why did your read on ThinkBig change, seemingly as the penny dropped.
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Post Post #1990 (isolation #78) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:02 am

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In post 1987, Cheesy wrote:Yes, I was confident and arona herself admitted my case on her was more legit than yours.
Contrary to you, I have taken risks this game and haven't tried to lay low. There's a reason I haven't found slips when I iso'd you yesterday- you have been very careful not to leave them. I couldn't care less about my appearance and I think I made it clear. I'm not losing to lurkscum, forget it.
Feels genuine.
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #79) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:32 am

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Both of you got post-fright?
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:34 am

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In post 135, culted wrote:Now that I've properly read.

VOTE: Thinkbig
Why would scum!culted bus at L-5?
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Post Post #1993 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:34 am

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Directed at cheesy as well.
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:47 pm

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VOTE: culted

gg

I was 2S Vig, just to confirm
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #83) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:19 am

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In post 2014, LicketyQuickety wrote:Cheesey, That was a great play claiming Scum. Really that was a pretty unique play!
Can we call it cheesing?
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #84) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:27 am

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Also "What was the vigilante thinking?" FF was opportunistic as hell while nn wasn't posting and then nn flipped town, who else could I go for, bearing in mind he was a read, not a conftown.
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