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[gerryoat]

911 contradicts him saying he was expecting a pm

I said that I would get a PM if I was roleblocked unless it was a kill. I figured kills were the only thing that didnt confirm roleblocking

[CloudKicker]

Just to be clear so even pokemons cant mental gymastics this

There would be no way for me to know as scum if I was roleblocked

or if the kill was a doc save. That's two different scenarios. The one you are talking about is slipping that scum has a role. Not that there is a town role that's a RB/JK (Which even as scum, I wouldn't know)

Implies mafia does not know where they are roleblocked

GERRY is an experienced player, his claim of not knowing that he had to be messaged if he was roleblocked is complete bullocks

I've

been roleblocked before and I got a PM that confirmed it

. I saw no PM

Implies he would know if he was roleblocked

[CloudKicker]

911 contradicts him saying he was expecting a pm

I said that I would get a PM if I was roleblocked unless it was a kill. I figured kills were the only thing that didnt confirm roleblocking

Aw cmon youre insulting my intelligence

[gerryoat]

I can literally be cleared tomorrow, you guys are being stupid. Why not lynch outside, instead of lynching town

[gerryoat]

Just to be clear so even pokemons cant mental gymastics this

There would be no way for me to know as scum if I was roleblocked

or if the kill was a doc save. That's two different scenarios. The one you are talking about is slipping that scum has a role. Not that there is a town role that's a RB/JK (Which even as scum, I wouldn't know)

Implies mafia does not know where they are roleblocked

GERRY is an experienced player, his claim of not knowing that he had to be messaged if he was roleblocked is complete bullocks

I've

been roleblocked before and I got a PM that confirmed it

. I saw no PM

Implies he would know if he was roleblocked

You're missing the KILL and being a PR and ROLEBLOCKED. 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. WE LITERALLLY WENT OVER THIS WITH ALISAE

[CloudKicker]

hm, theres a very very very thin line of plays were gerryboat could be town

[gerryoat]

Does maf really get a message from the mod saying their kill was roleblocked tho?

[CloudKicker]

Im just not convinced i want to walk it

[gerryoat]

Alisae was implying they do. that was the context.

[gerryoat]

Fuck it, if you're town you're being stupid as fuck. You have to be maf to NOT LET ME BE FUCKING CLEARED TOMORROW. I WILL BE CLEARED. AND YOU ARE STILL SPEWING SHIT ABOUT SAYING IT'S OPTIMAL TO LYNCH ME WHEN I WILL BE CONFIRMED TOWN TOMORROW.

[CloudKicker]

But, that being said, gerry do you think mafia can keep you from clearing yourself ? w/o killing your target and w/o rbing you

[CloudKicker]

im trying to decide how likely you clear yourself

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: i dont want the awkward scenarios where you end up not delivering because of mafia actions

[CloudKicker]

Also if gerry boat is town and considering no saves, that would mean that mefia tried to kill you, i dont think you were a good kill and you even said yourself you didnt soft uh

[CloudKicker]

like im literraly giving you the BOTD just cause

[gerryoat]

Also if gerry boat is town and considering no saves, that would mean that mefia tried to kill you, i dont think you were a good kill and you even said yourself you didnt soft uh

I'm always n1'd on this site it feels like

[gerryoat]

But, that being said, gerry do you think mafia can keep you from clearing yourself ? w/o killing your target and w/o rbing you

i guess if they have a rber. but they'd RB you prob or the cop

[CloudKicker]

Okay lets do this [Alisea, Gerryboat, Cloud, Penguin] are the unlynchable slots. I think everyone agree that alise is town and she claims penguin is clear, i literraly cannot be mafia with gerry in any world (maybe pokemon might think this since its a stupid idea) so that leaves AT WORST 1 mafia in this pool, so theres by definition at least one mafia outside this pool.



Lynching gerry:
--The worst case scenario is to lynch Gerry and he flips joat, we wouldve kept him from cleearing himself
++Best case is Gerryboat fliping scum today and we pin 2nd scum via night actions

Lynching outiside: The other worst case scenario is him failling to clear himself and we lynch him, he flip joat. At this point a think its still worth since this slot is a lynch if he fails to clear himself, so i think we can spare at least 1 night to let him at least try to clear himself, even if he fails and get lynched its better than not letting him try.
Other worst case would him having an ability he really want to use as scum, like a 1-shot poison kill or something and giving infos to his partners if hes a scum investigative.
Best case is either he clears himself (we gained a ml) or he fails to and flip scum.

I think that the reason why we would lynch Gerry!joat wont change, if we mislynch him today we mislynch him tomorow for the same reasons, i think giving him a try to clear himselp sounds goods. If everyone agrees with those reads then that leaves

Theres 1 scum min said pool, max 2, we can still lynch mafia if we ignored the issues for today. Theres also the possibility for gerry to help lynch scum. If we also lynch scum today outside gerry and hes mafia, its essentially auto so he cannot bus as mafia etc

[CloudKicker]

I suggest then a lynch in this pool for today, pokemon is the least likely to get my vote
Gamma Emerald
Nadpool
eagerSnake
JarJarDrinks
XnadrojX

[CloudKicker]

Just to be clear, im 85%+ certain gerryboat is mefia, but im giving him BOTD for 1 day

[gerryoat]

So you mean, basically what i've been saying this whole time

[CloudKicker]

Yep

[CloudKicker]

But you better self if you fail

[CloudKicker]

And even if mafia can make you fail your ''clearing'' you have 1 day where you can still lynch mefia, thats good no ?

[Nadpool]

Nadpool will VOTE: gerry.

Nadpool sees Cloud's plan to give 85% confscum another day in the game as suboptimal.