OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:40 am

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In post 1294, Dunnstral wrote:Alright, you've shown that thinkbig's read on Alisae has been changing. Now show how that's scummy, or did you have some other point?
are you kidding bro

His read isn't "changing" it's completely made up.
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:40 am

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In post 1299, Regfan wrote:Realeo - TB did state his reads and where he was at before stating intent to hammer, I'd like reasoning behind some of his reads but he's stated he's willing to get to those when he's at a computer next which is reasonable. As for Alisea, his read has been changing on them throughout the game (Which is natural to happen for townies), he had them as a strong town read early on, scum read her for the fake hammer thing and then moved them to null which seems like a fair placement overall given his stance on them; he'll be getting around to going through their ISO shortly and we can judge him based on it then.
Why are you just glossing over this? That isn't a normal progression at all!!!
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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:44 am

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Unvote
Vote: ThinkBig


I don't care, reg. I want this dead.
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:15 am

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In post 1255, Kop wrote:
In post 1148, Dunnstral wrote:Uh, Antihero was traitor? not a good?

Surely if the two of you are suggesting that thinkbig moved off of antihero because he knew he was the traitor, you can point to where thinkbig would have known that antihero was a traitor? Some kind of tell, or soft, or the way Ah acted?

Coming out hard on a maf buddy doesn't scream "traitor" to me.
I think I may have misread the whole Mafia PM's. :facepalm:

So on that said, thinkbig may be town after all. After rereading the PM's set out in first page, I don't forsee a traitor coming out that hard, now that I know the traitor only knows who the the mafia are, but mafia don't know who the traitor is.
How did you think Traitor played beforehand? Surely if you thought the mafia knew who the traitor was, there would be no difference between the two roles (beyond Traitor not being able to communicate).
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:17 am

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In post 1258, Kop wrote:
In post 1256, Regfan wrote:I find that hard to believe Kop given you've played this exact setup before and made the following comment in this post:
But scum don't know who the traitor is though? There is the chance that they could end up night killing him, which is a risk because it doesn't help them that way though.

I know I was a mafia traitor on another site, but ended up getting night killed by my own team mates day one, they didn't know I was the traitor.
I totally forgot that I had already researched this point and got side drawn from it.

Yes whilst I agree I have played as a traitor before, however it wasn't in this exact setup. This setup is slightly different to the one I participated on another site.
I know that you've linked me the game, but can you explain in simple simple terms how the mafia traitor role was different to the mafia traitor role in this game?

I want you to prove that your admittance that you didn't know how mafia traitor worked was genuine.
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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:26 am

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In post 1274, Regfan wrote:[...]
And if Kop does flip scum SH deserves to be looked at.
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Why?
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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:28 am

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In post 1327, Desperado wrote:I don't care, reg. I want this dead.
yo Desperado, you're not really trying very hard to convince people. If Regfan is right, and ThinkBig did act as town, who would you want to lynch? It is likely that by the end of the day the ThinkBig wagon will not be as viable as the beginning of the day, and you'll be forced to choose a new wagon, if so who would you want to lynch?
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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:32 am

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Going back through kop, I have a difficult time believing his roleblocker claim for the following reasons:
  • His dumbtell is demonstrated to be probably false. He has played this set-up before and has clearly demonstrated a knowledge of how the mafia traitor works.
  • I can brush off forgetting about playing this past setup. I cannot, however, look past an experienced player not knowing how a role is supposed to work, especially when you can easily see it in the sample PMs.
  • It's really convenient that the person that he claimed to have RB was the person who was NK'd (and who flipped vanilla town).
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:33 am

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UNVOTE: Unvote
After role claim.
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:34 am

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In post 1332, ThinkBig wrote:Going back through kop, I have a difficult time believing his roleblocker claim for the following reasons:
  • His dumbtell is demonstrated to be probably false. He has played this set-up before and has clearly demonstrated a knowledge of how the mafia traitor works.
  • I can brush off forgetting about playing this past setup. I cannot, however, look past an experienced player not knowing how a role is supposed to work, especially when you can easily see it in the sample PMs.
  • It's really convenient that the person that he claimed to have RB was the person who was NK'd (and who flipped vanilla town).
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:36 am

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In post 1324, Desperado wrote:
In post 1273, Regfan wrote:/Headdesk. Majority of players don't alter their reads because their town reads have them, especially someone that's as inexperienced as ThingBig. This is pretty bad point given who you're talking about.
If your town read on ThinkBig boils down to "He isn't good at this game" then I feel comfortable not sheeping you on him
Regfan doesn't agree the the argument that it was a display of Scum Theatre.
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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:37 am

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Kop, why would you RB ssbm_Kuyoko when you SR Gamma?
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:39 am

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Readlist:
Alisae - Town
Dunnstral - Town
Realo - Town
IF ThinkBig is Town then:
Scum is within Desperado, Kop or Davesaz.
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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:40 am

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Yes, because he thinks that AH pushing on Think makes him town. I don't agree.
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:40 am

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However, I think that there is still a significant chance that you're wrong, Regfan, and that ThinkBig is scum. I don't like how he played D1.
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:40 am

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That was @ Hans in response to 1335
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:41 am

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Fuuu forgot about Gamma.
Is gamma still playing?
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:42 am

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As for your other question, I don't base my reads on if/thens like that. If Think is town I will reevaluate but I don't feel compelled to do that right now.
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:46 am

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Thoughts on Kop's target? Seems pretty sketchy to me.
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:50 am

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@Desperado

" I think the suggestion that AH was begging TH to "let it go" in 'Post 859 is absurd and think the suggestion that TB is the type of player to notice softs from a traitor to be very outlandish, I read the last comment inside the post to make more sense as AH trying to get TB in the lynch pool." - Regfan

^Yo, You are D E N O U N C I N G this also, correct?
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:59 am

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I think I've made it pretty clear that I don't buy reg's interpretation at all
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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:14 am

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he doesn't buy yours
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:30 am

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/shrug
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:41 am

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well for anyone to take you seriously you need to argue your case. Regfan currently has a more extensive case than you. So yeah a naked re-vote on ThinkBig isn't good enough anymore.
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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:46 am

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I remain skeptical of kop's claims for the reasons that I have already mentioned. However, I don't want to lynch a claimed PR just yet. For now:

VOTE: Desperado

I don't like his naked vote on me and really do not like how he has been death tunneling me nearly the entire game. Until he can put forth a clear and conscience case against me, I'm going to leave my vote here.

Once I get back home tonight and am able to get to my computer, I'll type out a more extensive case against desperado.
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