Large Normal 200 - Big Round Numbers - Game Over

[Ircher]

Took a look at Grey/texcat's ISOs. One big thing I can take away from it is that my townread on Creature is cemented and I'm reversing on Alisae. Grey in particular did a lot to try to undermine those two players (as well as rb) early on.

Deftown

rb
Creature
Titus

Likely Town

Alisae
HS
Dunnstral

Neutral/Murky

Zach
Ircher
AA
Kyouko
Debi
drealmerz

Scumreads

Uzi
Echo
Pine
Slick

I'm okay w/ this readslist except for the Uzi read. Uzi isn't scum imo.

[Ircher]

Hey look, I think Wraith genuinely townslipped.

?

[Ircher]

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

Wasn't the flip red?

[Ircher]

tf there are 9 scum, are there two scumteams of 4 members plus one SK?

[drealmerz7]

ircher is scum for the way he does his catchup

town ircher wouldn't do catchup like this!

[Ircher]

I wonder why drealmerz even plays mafia when he just alternates between angry and bad

Someimes he good though.

[Ircher]

So, out of All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi or Texcat please tell me who'd you like me to shoot and who you think the shot would be most wasted on.

I'll take the best case I find and we'll work from there day 2 given the flips we get.

P.S. You won't convince me to shoot outside this pool of players.

Votecount 1.Final

Alisae (1)

Pine ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (10)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , rb , Wraith , drealmerz7 , EchoVision , texcat LYNCH! ,

drealmerz7 (1)

Debi ,

Ircher (1)

Lil Uzi Vert ,

SlickDilinger (2)

Titus , Creature ,

EchoVision (3)

Dunnstral , Alisae , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

No lynch (1)

Ircher ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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Gin I've said this multiple times, Texcat.
>They are my strongest scumread.
>Grey came off to me as not playing his towngame.
>They think they're lynchbait when they aren't
>Their reasoning for voting me is very weak.

Alisae isn't Red for this post imo, could still be Blue but I'm leaning more towards town on him. There was also a point when I called some people out for not putting their votes on "useful wagons" when we had 2 large competing wagons and 2 smaller competing wagons between Alisae and Texcat:

Votecount 1.14

Alisae (2)

Wraith , texcat ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Lil Uzi Vert , drealmerz7 , EchoVision ,

drealmerz7 (7)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Ircher , Creature , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Debi ,

texcat (2)

Alisae , Dunnstral ,

Not Voting (2)

Titus , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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All Alone, Zach, HS, Kyouko, rb, Wraith, drealmerz all either SRed Gin or didn't believe his claim I think. That leaves Slick and Echo. Those are my top suspects for Blue mafia based on that reread, if there was a Blue Mafia in Gin's vigpool. I'd rather try to get Red to shoot at them than mislynch a lurker, but I'd go Slick's way today. Not Echo today I don't think. I didn't find anything conclusive in there but I feel like my reads are in a better place now than they were before I went back to read

I may have misunderstood but it seemed to me like HS was saying Wraith if multiball because he thought Gin was scum? Not sure, will see what HS has to say about the multiball flip.

VOTE: Kyouko


See earlier comment. (Unless my memory is bad, this is the second time Kyouko has scum-slipped.)

[Creature]

Hey look, I think Wraith genuinely townslipped.

?

He's townreading me because -Grey- was pushing me, but apparently he didn't notice this is multiball.

[Ircher]

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo

If Wraith is mafia he's probably red, and blue will shoot him tonight, so no need to lynch him right away

More scumslips.

[Ircher]

Gin's claim was crap anyway, I didn't believe he was a vig for 0.01 of a second. If you just TR'd him for some reason then please elucidate on that but anyone who thought the claim itself was a towntell needs to explain

I was more neutral in the conflict.

[Ircher]

laughed at "vig rb"

Maybe swap the days on Echo/Wraith because Wraith might get shot by blue mafia tonight anyways

More scumslipping. And not just a color slip this time.

[Ircher]

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo

why are you so worried on killing blue, why don't we just

kill fucking mafia

Add this.

[Ircher]

okay so do I have anyone agreeing with me that bdsm_tokyo and dunn are both maf together?? anybody??

PEdit: okay fuck your meta shit... it means nothing... so what I'm acting different? shit changes boy... other than your role cause you're scum this game too

Kyouko yes. Dunn, I'm unsure.

[Ircher]

Alright lads, I figure this is a good a time as any to mention my own investigate guilty on

Echovision

... let's lynch

Echovision

and laugh at rb

VOTE: Echo
And yes drealmerz it's blue

Just bad.

[Ircher]

okay then that makes today easy

UNVOTE: alisae
VOTE: echovision

Considering it was a fake cop result, this is a really scummy move to make.

[Ircher]

Okay, I noticed the guilty.

VOTE: EchoVision

Keep reading.

[Ircher]

Players suggesting lynching me for saying blue are more likely to be scum imo

I'm not going to qualify "the other" scumteam or the "not red" scumteam every time I want to talk about players that are scum but not on Red Mafia team, it's clunky and inconvenient. There's also a game in the archives that uses red mafia and blue mafia as the factions that I saw when I was looking at the multiball setups.

It's not scummy to scumread faulty assumptions. There's other scummy things you have done that others have pointed out as well.

[Ircher]

@drealm - Dunn was obviously reaction testing based on the movement of his vote soon after calling the guilty on Echo. It was a wasted effort imo, just distracts from actual scumhunting. I can't help but hear town tone from you but I fail to see anything that makes me think you're town beyond that. Could you explain some of your strongest scumreads?

@Slick - what are your 2 strongest reads, scum or town, excluding conftown rb, and what makes you think those players are town/scum?

@Zach - Still waiting on specifically what was inaccurate about my post:

Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context

That's not how this works. You said my original post was inaccurate, but when I pointed out that I didn't see what was inaccurate about it and then explained the intentions behind my post like you asked, you never pointed out what was inaccurate about my post. I felt like your vote was unwarranted.

What about my post was inaccurate?

@Dunn I seriously doubt there's a real vig and even if there were one they could have just as easily ignored Gin's claim and shot him overnight instead of lynching him. I doubt that both Red Mafia and a Vig failed to kill last night, but it's possible that Blue and the Vig both shot at Texcat considering that slot's play yesterday around Gin and rb.

pedit: Gin's claim stunk tbh and I think whether people believed it or not given he flipped town is NAI as long as it's consistent with their reads of Gin before his claim.

But my response to it told you why it was inaccurate

. That's why I told you to read my response because it says literally exactly what was wrong with what you said. And what I said to Creature

You didn't say what was inaccurate about my post in your reply.

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

You're being short-sighted, deliberately or otherwise.

90% of the people who Gin wanted to shoot were scumreading him before.

The bolded is the closest I can find to you pointed out something being inaccurate in my original post 2992. If you read my 2992 all it says is that 5/6 of the players that Gin put in his vig pool ended up voting him. I never said they voted him because they were in his vigpool, I just said that they ended up voting him. I want to know if this is what you thought was inaccurate about my post, and whether you still consider it inaccurate.

Also, do you have a reason to not comment on SlickDilinger atm? You're voting me, but who's your top scumread and why?

@Ircher - Do you feel the case on SD is lacking? Do you have a counter to propose?

You, Drealm, and Dunn are imo preferable to Slick right now, though the case is indeed there.

[Ircher]

I wouldn't really say I have any "strong scumreads"

Ircher and alisae probably the strongest but not much to say about them

Tell us why.

[Ircher]

Ya know what. I don't think we're going to get content out of slick.
I think I'm just going to end the poor child's misery of trying to catch up.
VOTE: Slick

Was that a hammer?

[Ircher]

if alisae makes it to lylo i will be filled with an incredible sadness
she posts so much transparently scummy shit and everybody just glazes right over it because 'lol lynchbait'
lynchbait=/= town

But, lynchbait != scum as well.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Echo

the guilty was fake.....

[Ircher]

Could someone archive dig? Has there ever been multiballs consisting of 3 mafia factions? Seems unlikely.

not in normals. Maybe 2 scumteams plus SK.

[Ircher]

ircher is scum for the way he does his catchup

town ircher wouldn't do catchup like this!

That isn't even true. This is how I've caught up in my more recent games; take Mini 1862 as a good example. (Nadroj's)

[Human Sequencer]

fuck im so sorry guys, i'll be back maybe a day or two wen work isn't fucking me up the asshole im too tired to think at all especially with dunn fucking with me so hard, i just cannot think anything at all two pages just flew by and nothing happened in my mind at all
semi vla i guess