Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

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Hi! I wanted this to be my first game back but it filled before I could join so I told Fate I would replace if/when he needed it.

Kinda disappointed it was for Spyrex tho! He was one of several names I was looking forward to playing with. Hope all is well with him.

I don't work today so I'll start reading soon.

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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

D1 was a slog but that Shyamalan-esque no lynch really kicked things in to high gear.

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Vote: Infinity

It's a shame Spyrex got distracted by camn, could have lynched scum d1 if he hadn't I reckon

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It's D2 and we're on page 57, there's no such thing as a naked vote anymore.

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Which is...

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Why would your vote on me be an issue?

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Remember when you whined to mollie (more than once!) about how she wasn't being specific enough in her questions towards you and if she could just give you something concrete to comment on, you'd do it?

Me too!

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Camnsuki - Town. I suppose I could double ISO them and Spyrex and quote all the posts directed at one another, but a) that'd be like 30% of the entire game and would take entirely too long and b) I don't have a 2nd point, it just felt right

Staeg - Scummy. Wasn't much of a presence d1, 997 is scumscusing to the max, and his push on Dunn today is absolutely horrendous.

Dunn - Town as balls. Every single thing he's said/done w/r/t the orb has come from town.

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Can you give a sentence about why the back-and-forth with spyre means camn is town?

Do you think dunn's argument on nacho has merit or do you think he's just weird town?

What do you think about my vote on you?

Their opening on Spyrex was town, the early call for a town bloc to lynch Spyrex was town, the hydra dissonance on Spyrex was town...I can keep going but I think you get the picture.

No, but I also don't think he's "weird town" and I don't understand why these are my only two options for this question.

I don't have any thoughts on your vote on me.

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I like spyrex/desperado. This and I think Mollie are my two favorite slots for town.

The only thing that makes me not super optimistic about that lynch is that I'm not really crazy about anyone advocating it.

???

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I am just starting to care les

But I just got here!

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Spyrex did something to SAD? Did I miss that?

Aye

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I waffled a bit on kagami during my compiling, obviously

Go ahead and walk us through this, because you only mention Kagami those two times

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@ Dreal: So what did you make of mollie's suggestion that we claim all orbs and try to track them?

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you want my read history/progression on the kagami slot? it will have to wait

Why does it have to wait?

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weeeeellllll all of it although the one thing i DIDN'T really agree with is 1397. from experience, hydra dissonance is really easy to fake!

Aye, it is, but do you think camnsuki would fake hydra dissonance while trying to mislynch Spyrex?

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Desperado your damn winky face is ruining everything.

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I get not wanting to be drawn into the orb thing, but you could've said that so much earlier and so much simpler. I don't see the town motivation for making such a big long post about that, and I was expecting more analysis for the catchup after such a long wait.

Sorry dude

VOTE: dreal

Hey look another wagon hop, must be scum

You really need to step up your cheek game bro

We're not getting distracted today y'all. Infinity hangs.

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drealmerz7 (4): Nachomamma8, pirate mollie, Papa Zito, Infinity 324

@ mollie, nacho, zito

You really seeing scumflail here?

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try to understand or go the fuck away

look at it

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I apologize that I can't really formulate a response to the ravings of a madman.

I think you're just in a serious scumflail meltdown mode.

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yes

why would you think they wouldn't?

Because it would be antithetical to their goal and people interpret hydra dissonance as scummy by default so there needs to be a good reason for it.

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That just means role madness. Are you writing drealz off as town because he claimed something in this pt you seem to have?

kagami fishing

Even if you consider that rolefishing, which I don't, Kagami isn't scummy for it

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@ desp - yeah I think he is scumflailing. big time.

That's too bad.

You sure you can't help me with infinity today tho? Dreal isn't going anywhere.

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I'm afraid if we let infinity skate by again that inertia will just take over

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Pretty sure BaM games use NAR

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mollie why are you talking so fantalistically

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nah that was dreal who needs to explain his kagami and dunn reads iirc

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Hey, RC

Spyrex is gone but I'm here now! Turn your frown upside down and get your shit together bro, the orb stuff really is not confusing at all and your vote on Nacho because of his fucking post restriction is New Jersey-level garbage.

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If we're deciding to ignore the orb stuff, then I want Dunn gone yesterday.

um

No one is deciding to ignore the orb stuff, especially if it means you want Dunn gone.

Please just read starting from the beginning of D2.

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I'm not going to vote Infinity for being a lurker, fyi

wut

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whatever same diff

No it's not the same difference. You directed that comment at me but I hadn't even said anything about lurking so...???

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i just want her to come back and play with me

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sorry desp. there is zero point in playing when I can't about key things cos I am still unsure about a little things and I doubt any1 wld listen to me if I did cos they certainly are not listening to me now.

Yes, I can see there's a lot of OOG stuff that is affecting in game attitudes and perspectives, which is leaving half the player list paranoid as fuck and the other half left out because they aren't involved.

Can you work with me on infinity? The longer the game goes on the clearer the picture will come for everyone involved. Infinity should have been lynched D1 but Spyrex/Camn happened and there was all sorts of stuff being discussed that no one was openly talking about--but that stuff is out in the open now. We can move forward constructively, I promise.

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If you think about something long enough, second thoughts are all that's left.

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- Winston Churchill

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Vote: RedCoyote

Don't feel particularly inclined to vote anyone on the infinity wagon today.

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No, Nacho is a bad vote. Zito and Coyote are the best votes today.

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@fate

check your VC, I'm seeing double

why do you say that, desp?

Nacho recognized your townflail, and Coyote was voting you and pushing Nacho for some bullshit about his post restriction.

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It means he's scum and all this ancillary stuff makes it harder to be scum

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Mollie im coming I'm just at work now

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We are still lynching RC I'm just hammering

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Town town scum

We lynch RC today, I hammer, and that's the end of it.

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He's still town.

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But I'm hammering

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I am hearing you and my position hasn't and will not change.

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Zito is like, confirmed scum

VOTE: Papa Zito

Don't know why rc quick shot nacho, though

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Because HE'S confirmed scum.

And no, Nacho had half of an orb. RC has it now. I have 1/4. I am hammering.

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Actually, since you have orbs and stuff, maybe you can explain this.

Is there added value in getting all the orb pieces in one place, or what? Is the whole more than the sum of its parts or whatnot?

It's not clear and it would be funny if it's just a red herring but I don't think that's likely.

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We were in a neighborhood for 5 seconds and then RC murdered him

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5:07 Nacho tells me he has half an orb, fire and water fragments combined with the power of DAO. He had water first, then got fire (or he thinks it's fire), and he told me he had the same PR

8:06 "now RC has half on orb. Kill him."

8:08 Nacho says if he was town RC would have asked where Nacho's misread comes from because RC knows that Nacho can read him.

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@ Dreal: I'm the only reason you're even alive right now. Show some goddamn respect.

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(I've been watching too much House of Cards, that show really infects your perspective)

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I suppose we could let the town decide but I'm pretty sure I would win

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excuse me?

I'm allowed to ask what I want to ask

you show some respect

Use some critical thinking skills and I'll start showing you some respect.

You didn't "ask" anything. You said you "don't buy it." lol

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What does "too willfull" even mean?

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RC isn't getting away with anything lmao

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so you aren't reading my posts

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5:07 Nacho tells me he has half an orb, fire and water fragments combined with the power of DAO. He had water first, then got fire (or he thinks it's fire), and he told me he had the same PR

8:06 "now RC has half on orb. Kill him."

8:08 Nacho says if he was town RC would have asked where Nacho's misread comes from because RC knows that Nacho can read him.

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desperado is likely lying

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fine

I blocked nacho both nights

there is no way he was passed an orb

confirmed by mod, my block blocks orb passings

Why would you blocking Nacho prevent someone else from passing an orb to him?

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You're a dunce bro

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If you block Nacho you are blocking Nacho from passing an orb, not from receiving one.

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And Nacho presumably didn't steal it

Desperado, where did your neighborhood with nacho come from?

Wasn't informed

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What do you guys think the odds of a town and a scum roleblocker in the same game are?

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@ Dreal claim everything.

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dude you can't be serious dreal

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I was actually being serious guys. Do you think there's a town and a scum roleblocker?

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You also probably stopped him from shapeshifting which is what kept him from changing post restriction, so you calling him out on a "slip" back then was pretty bad.

eh, not really. No reason to believe that was an active ability.

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Stand around, look pretty, continue being awesome, and help me lynch Red Coyote for being a dirty scumbutt

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ITT: RC claims scum

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No, we're not lynching anyone but RC today.

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I also already have a shard, Dunn

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I'm more concerned with him wanting to spare RC

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I also oppose giving Desp the orbs. Given Dunn's track record I would be super ok with him getting them.

1) Why would you oppose it?
2) It's too late to do it any other way, unfortunately. I can't give my shard away with a scum roleblocker in the game.

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OK. But I have a shard, I've been completely transparent, and me getting two other shards means lynching claimed scum, so...?

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It's not like we'd be taking a shot in the dark here. RC is getting lynched, he's going to flip scum, and he's going to give two shards to his hammerer. Me doing anything with the orb without discussing it would be a scum claim just as clearly as RC's shot was.

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VOTE: Papa Zito

you're on the chopping block and you don't give hardly any content with your "catchup" after being gone and so pretty much only give your claim and you give it at a time that I'm not sure if it was necessary yet,

that's just scum playing it as safely as they can, imo, and other scumpings of previousness - we should lynch PZ

RC is pretty towny, and yes, I think it makes absolute sense to hold on to the vig shot "until Day 3?!" (one of 2 bits of content PZ actually did provide)

Umm, we had no-lynch on D1 and no kill N2...he could have even waited until D4 imo, and PZ trying to make it an issue seems depserate

RC is pretty Towny???

Put down the pipe bro

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Seriously Dreal, what????

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pirate mollie
Dunnstral
camnsuki
Nahdia

dreal
Papa Zito

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Kagamia
Staeg

RedCoyote

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We are lynching RedCoyote today, period. Dreal, you are seriously high as a fucking kite if you think he's even remotely towny.

At this point I would bank the game on the top 4 being town.

I'm pretty sure if we just lynch RC and then Staeg the game will end.

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desp is there a reason nahdia is in your town pile? also I am not sold on scum!kagami cos it wld be strange to be that confrontational. but there are like 20 trillion things that I don't understand. like why did she out that she gave the orb to me but not that she had 1 of her own. but her play is so strange and I feel like she was almost mad that infinity got lynched but I might be reading it wrong.

Yeah, I have a pretty good reason.

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Vote: RedCoyote

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inb4 RC isn't actually hated

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Unvote

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ya

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Vote: RedCoyote

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@ Dreal: You don't need to be in a neighbor to know that RC isn't town lmao

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desperado also asked that question:

"does it make sense for there to be a town and scum roleblocker in the game?" which to me says he either knows someone else besides me to be a roleblocker but doesn't know their alignment, doesn't believe me to be roleblocker, or is a roleblocker himself either as town or scum

and regardless of which of those it is, the answer is yes, of course it makes sense, why wouldn't it? seems like an odd question to me and pinged me because I know I am town roleblocker and the way that question makes the most sense as a scumroleblocker testing the waters to see what people might react to his fake counterclaim or somesuch

I asked because I got roleblocked n1 also and you said you were on Nacho.

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RC is pretty Towny???

Put down the pipe bro

I mean if just compare ISO's desperado is super-scum and RC is really damn town, and yet I get shit like this and people are like "yeah okay that's fine"

*keeps the bong all for himself*

He fucking unilaterally shot Nacho because he thought he was going to get lynched without being able to use his power. He was scummy as fuck, and I don't let unnanounced dayvigs live, ever.

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No, dreal, RC's daykill target, following reaction and presence in thread was not town.

I wholly disagree, you realize, and you saying this flat like this doesn't change that

perhaps I should have fought for RC harder, but no one is fucking listening to me and my reception by the majority of the playerlist on anything I say is shitty so, ohwell

sorry RC, sorry town

No matter how much you would have fought he would still have been lynched. I'm not going to ask you to build a case on someone who is dead, but your insistence on this issue is bizarre.

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well that's your problem and you were wrong, obviously

I had a completely different read on it

I don't care if I was wrong. RCs shot was scum through and through regardless of what his role PM said.

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And I don't think I'm a mafia genius, dreal, but I have seen mafia day vigs snow an entire playerlist. And when you're town, and you have a dayvig, you don't just fucking use it because you think you might get lynched soon and you don't want your role to go to waste. That is not a town mindset!

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Well, I guess I better use my power before I'm lynched.

FYI, I'm hated, so the next vote will lynch me. I crumbed this in my first post instead of claiming it because I was doing my damnedest to not be voted early on.

I wanted to use my power yesterday, but I was really torn about which direction to go. I think mollie's lynch clears things up a bit now as I'm sure there's got to be one scum on the drealmerz wagon yesterday. Given that it's not me, I'm interested in focusing our attention toward either Nacho or Zito.

I'd hold off on doing this, but I suspect I'll be lynched soon. So this is kind of an emergency cord I'm pulling here.

Voodoo Execution: Nachomamma8

Now I will be either the hero or the zero. My entire life has been leading up to this moment.

if he is town I'm going to mlem mlem

I'd have rather played with this player list in a normal game, tbh.

where is he?
Who dayvigs and then just logs out never to return?

I thought y'all were going to lynch me. I don't know why the hell I keep coming back to this thread still alive. I picked the wrong player, obviously.

VOTE: Papa Zito

I mean, what else is there to say? I was going to be lynched so I took the initiative to try and take out scum before it happened. My shot didn't work, so now y'all are stuck with figuring out if I knew it wouldn't work or not.

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a voice comes over the loudspeak (what a fucking loudspeaker in the astral plane? yes, that's waht you get right now...)

"congratulations, you can use the quote feature"

i mean i guess i could have highlighted how rc literally said exactly what i said he said

but i didn't think i had to do that

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I don't have it....

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Trust me, I would not bury the lead on that lol

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iunno

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the redirector is dead and gone bro

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read his fucking role man

jesus christ

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and no, if scum flips redirector i do not account for other scum having redirector abilities as well because that isnt how you design setups

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you don't account for this being possible?

i've been a town bus driver

it's the worst role on earth and if they exist in this game and haven't already claimed with all of their actions, they are bad

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and now we're back to there being no fucking way scum have a redirector and a bus driver in a goddamn mini

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lol

dude's over hear speccing about a goddamn bus driver despite a redirector flip and mollie is the one smoking crack?

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it means she thinks that you used to play where she was a game mod for three years and she wants to know who you are

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a bus driver and a redirector on the same scum team would never pass the review process

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so...a bus driver?!?!

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vote: drealmerz

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and, as you said, MAYBE it's town!

I wouldn't claim it if I were town until I THOUGHT IT WAS BEST

no, I'm a roleblocker

what else do you want?

town bus drivers are anti town

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you've already claimed your role and all of your night actions

what the fuck are you talking about

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oh i definitely think you're scum

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or, as scum, get your way and get the town role-blocker out of your way so I stop having the ability to fucking up your shits

ya thats it

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lol

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and we're the dipshit "mafia geniuses"

yup

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ya

two scum factions

one night kill in three nights












seriously what is wrong with you

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there are "many possibilities" to explain the lack of FIVE night kills??????????????

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good for you bro

that game would never exist on this site

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and certainly not in the mini queue

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ya ok

i dont have 50+ completed games and several moderated games that all went through rigorous review processes

fuck me, what was i thinking???

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um, ya

they are

???

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if this is directed at me I was talking to dreamz when I said that

no it was directed at dreal acting surprised that not being able to track their night actions makes them suspicious

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if there hadn't been a page top it wouldn't have mattered

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right, because traceable night-actions is the thing to be concerned about

WTF

um, ya

they are

???

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dude, read the post. it was a direct response to you that got cut off because there were 4 posts made in the time it took me to see that post and write five words and i didn't care enough to pedit any of them

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not wrong tho

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dream how many fucking scum do you think there are????????

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like i just have no clue what frame of reference you're using to set up spec

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Or you're just scum lmao

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No, I have Earth, Water, and Fire. I can feel the power pulsing in my hands. But I haven't received any further communication regarding the orbs.

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No. The flip side of that would be that scum are more likely to hang on to their orb, which has been proven false.

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Nacho was town and kept his orb until he got murk'd

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In other words; giving a shard away is NAI

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Here's the thing...Kagami has only said she gave it to me. I don't believe that the shard is just gone, and I'm getting the impression she doesn't have it anymore, so where is it?

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At this point, either dreal is scum JK or Kagami is scum who is lying about giving me the orb.

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shit happens sometimes

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Is that still me?

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I have no idea anymore

if you're not scum you're doing a bang-up job pretending to be

lol

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Hi

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I read everything

Kagami to be clear, you are directly CCing staeg even down to his flavor? How is that?

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I'm wondering if it's time for a mass claim actually

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No, I'm saying that I make neighborhoods by joining shadows, staeg apparently breaks hoods by bringing light. The role seems to exist only to interact negatively with mine, dunn's, mollies, and by whatever joined you and nacho, all of which seem to be town aligned.

And PoE leads me here anyway.

@staeg

Did I miss you refuting the zito-saved-by-time-zito-saved-by-time-manipulation theory? Because it sounds like you had mod confirmation that it's false.

And Staeg scum just claims his real role and what, hopes no one notices this?

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@ Dunn: it does matter. My PTs with Nacho and Mollie have been titled "Psychic Connections"

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And it's D4 and there is still seemingly a lot of OOG info that is not in this thread

I think mass claiming and getting everything out in the open is optimal right now.

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I don't see how you could disagree. Just about everyone has claimed at least partial role information. Keeping things in the dark favors scum.

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There are also a lot of reads in this thread that are based on partial information that not everyone has, and that is causing trust issues (and has been all game, which I imagine was intentional on Fate's part).

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Which is exactly my point. There's a lot of dancing around shit in this thread because of what's going on behind the scenes.

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And I suppose I could go through the playerlist and describe how literally everyone has revealed at least partial role info but I mean, you all already know that. So why aren't we claiming everything and solving this game right now?

Be specific Dunn. Stop just telling me I'm wrong because that isn't going to cut.

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And we all know Dreal's role. And some of us know mollie's role. And some of us know Nahdia's role.

And on and on and on and on

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Cool, I can tell you with confidence that that is not a cause for concern.

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I want Kagami to claim next.

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And we all know Dreal's role. And some of us know mollie's role. And some of us know Nahdia's role.

And on and on and on and on

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Ya but we're not just gonna lynch Staeg. That's the whole point.

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yes, some of us. but scum doesn't have that information.

oh really

So your 100% no questions asked bet my life on it townblock is what?

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And if any of those reads are based on information that is not public knowledge, don't even bother mentioning them.

Otherwise you're proving my point.

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to nights in a row no one has died. you want scum having detailed information on how that has happened?

I don't know how many times I can reiterate this: it appears to me that everyone has revealed role information to at least one other person. The odds are very good that whoever you think couldn't possibly be scum because ~neighborhoods~ actually is scum and the scum already know whatever it is you think mass claiming will reveal.

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@ mollie: Staeg's role allows him to target a scum who had votes but not enough to lynch and sever their scum QT

That sounds pretty town to me.

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@ Nahdia: if my PT is a connection then I think it's safe to believe that the scum QT is also a connection, because this entire game is being played in the astral plane.

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And Staeg claims this when he already had deduced that connections are likely PTs because....

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Redirector + Time Manipulator sounds powerful as fuck.

Two scum isn't crazy.

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Because it's his role? Because he preempted us by saying his claim is bad, thus dealing himself the "scum wouldn't claim this role" card which is exactly what you're buying into right now?

Right, but as scum he would know that he would be on the chopping block and have plenty of time to, you know, come up with a claim that he

doesn't need to do any of that for?

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And who's the second scum in that case

At this point I'm looking hard at Kagami.

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Do I really need to jump through hoops for you, dude? Claiming anything besides your actual role can be dangerous for all sorts of reasons.

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I'm sorry, are you suggesting that scum always claim their real role?

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Always? No, but it's far from unheard of. I'm not giving Staeg a pass just because he claimed a scummy role.

Neither am I.

1) I don't think it's as scummy as you're making it out to be
2) It's not that he claimed a scummy role, it's that he claimed a scummy role that he didn't have to claim. He doesn't even technically action at night so if he got caught moving somewhere at night he's still fucked as scum.

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I don't even know what my power DOES

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So like I said, how about we

fucking claim everything because right now, everyone is pocketing their own information and it is obfuscating the actual literal game thread.

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I already answered that. Kagami.

I prefer popcorn, but if I'm making the whole list:

Kagami
Dreal
Camnsuki
Dunn
Nahdia
pirate mollie

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BECAUSE THERE ARE PROTECTIVE ROLES.

read my posts

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No, they fucking don't if they can't explain WHY we're going to mass claim.

As far as I can tell there are only two people whose roles aren't accounted for right now. If the only reason you don't want to mass claim is because THE PROTECTIVES then get over it. It's too late.

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Nahdia, have you considered that you are so against "outting literally everything" because you probably have the most information of anyone in the game?

And have you considered how that's negatively affecting the game state right now?

Because you appear to trust Kagami implicitly and I don't.

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Have I been wrong about you since Nacho died?

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I for one certainly don't know all but two claims. And I don't NEED to know everyone's claim. I know who I want to lynch TODAY.

If you can't see how this isn't proof that we need to claim everything then I really don't know what to say.

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bad double negative is bad

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Seriously, explain it to me.

Nearly everyone's role has been outed, to someone. The chances that that circle is 100% town is basically 0. Collectively we are working off incomplete information and it is negatively affecting the game state. A mass claim will alleviate this and will not reveal anything proprietary.

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Every role I've seen has had 2 parts to it; does staeg only do 1, longly explained thing?

My role only has one part.

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We've seen a Redirector/Time Manipulator. How is that, your role, and somethign else that

presumably did something to snatch away an orb fragment unreasonable?

See, that is not an easy assumption to make at all right now. In fact, it makes a lot more sense if Kagami is just scum who lied about giving me the orb.

The fact that you appear to be basically stating it as a fact that there is as scum orb-stealer is my fucking point exactly.

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I supported that too mollie

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omfg you fucking morons are considering a mass claim??

this is gonna be good

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This is what you wanted, right Desp?

Um, not quite. I was pretty clear about what order I wanted it done it.

And you claiming before Kagami, who I think I've also made clear is the person I'm most suspicious of,

hasn't even commented on anything

But ya whatever.

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And I also feel like I've been misled so if you're just hypoing, how about you just not?

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No, I think Katsuki meant to say "We AREN'T claiming shit today"

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Although I suppose it could be read the other way

But wouldn't they have already claimed that stuff earlier?

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Because it isn't unnecessary, Katsuki. Town is at an impasse because there is too much incomplete information floating around.

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"there's too much incomplete information"

fucking hilarious

you should all go play open games and leave these games to people who actually like them

Yes, there is too wide a disparity between players and it is literally causing the game to come to a standstill.

your attitude is shit bro

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Katsuki, what is the way forward right now?

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you call what you've said tonight contributing?

a lot has happened besides talking about a mass claim

and if you had commented on any of it in addition to shitting on the mass claim we probably wouldnt be having this conversation

but you didnt

so we are

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hi! other head here.
I agree- we are not claiming, unless you run us up.

and, in the bigger picture, massclaims don't work unless everyone agrees. forcing Nahdia to claim was anti-town.

Nahdia- despite that...can I ask for your flavor?

in other news:

: i think it was camntsuki that interfered with the orb

this actually might be true...but I don't think so.

postedit- the way forward? not massclaim. scumhunt instead. you need more data? reread.

I didn't force Nahdia to do anything.

"Mass claims dont work unless everyone agrees" is a silly maxim when scum will always disagree if it doesn't benefit them. Which it does not, especially now that Nahdia has claimed.

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awesome dude we've established that you are The One True Mafia Genius

now what the fuck do you think about

literally anything else

????

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Staeg's claim, Kagami's response to his claim, my response to his claim, etc., etc.

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I seriously don't care to contribute

anything I share about anything you fucking laugh at and call me stupid

don't ask for my opinion any more

you mean like when you said i was lying about my pt with nacho?

or was it when you said i was orb hungry scum?

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I've still got spyrex saying "I might have killed sad" on my mind, too

I have no clue why Spyrex said that. He did target SAD N1 but he was roleblocked.

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I also have a tiny confusion point I'll bring up

I targetted sad last night. While I'm fairly sure my bonkers results were a function of him dying and not me somehow killing him, i cant rule that out 100% yet

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how the fuck is kagami clear for passing me an orb when we can't account for it anymore

seriously

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no, the other one that she got from dunn

the one that's missing

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nacho started with water

i have earth fire and water

air is missing

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who cares

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what is the point of all this

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The logic on clearing her works, despite the missing one.
In fact, if she were scum.. she lost THREE fragments. That's a stretch.

UNLESS there is a flaw in clearing people for giving away the shards- which there may be.
But I am accepting it tentatively, since we have more scumspects and we have mislynches to give.

Again, you are clearing people for passing orbs when we have a confirmed town who never passed an orb and a scum who passed an orb

So on what planet does passing an orb clear someone?????????

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Scum haven't passed an orb, desp

Ah, the one he got from infinity was from the lynch.

We still have proof of a town player who did not pass an orb, so clearing people for passing orbs is nonsensical.

And Kagami did not start with two orbs; Dunn, Nacho, Kagami, and Infinity were the original owners.

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Ya it makes the most sense that no one has died twice in a row, and I was doc protected twice in a row, but I'm the one lying here

are you fucking serious bro

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oh ya, i'm also scum who replaced a guy who was hardbussing his godlike teammate all game and was just like "ya that sounds like a good idea" and kept on with it

even tho dreal was scumming up the thread and begging to get lynched

yup that sounds like something i'd do

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So did scum-desp stop my lynch to get a massclaim so he can do whatever he can do with the orb better? And that there's no in-game event for the orb being assembled?

Yes, desp, but the argument is that scum wouldn't start with two fragments.

Why not?