Micro 674 9:12 Dream Mafia. Game over

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VOTE: Firebringer

Someone I remember!

VOTE: penguin_alien

Someone I remember...

~LQ

BTW, we are VT.

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Seriously though, penguin should remember me.

Also seriously, we are VT.

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As an aside, I recently got my blood pressure checked and apparently I have the heart of a marathon runner even though I haven't exercised in months.

Fire, you should vote me.

Maker, you should vote fire

penguin, you should vote Maker

I'll time you, ready, GO!

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Gerryoat is basically Calvin Kendall minus the mod. I suppose Tobias Willow can spare him for now.

VOTE: Think Tepes

Do not Think like Tepes, it will turn you into a Large Ham.

I honestly don't know if I like this vote or not.

Tepes and Maker have completely opposite styles. I would think it would be better for these two to feel each other out more before jumping into the clash that has a good chance of happening. Ofc Maker is pretty chill and prolly wont get angry (as with Tepes), but that is not my issue here. My issue is that there will be a lot of misunderstanding between these two.

Maker, why did you vote Tepes knowing there is such a gap in styles between the two of you?

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All LQ

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VOTE: BTDMAKER for OPPORTUNISTIC VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could vote you for the same thing. Ask don't accuse. Accusations come later in the game.

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VOTE: Firebringer

Someone I remember!

VOTE: penguin_alien

Someone I remember...

~LQ

BTW, we are VT.

it is anti-town to claim so early without even being prompted. don't do that if you are town it allows mafia to use process of elimination to find power roles easier

#BlameItOnTheWIFOM

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VOTE: Firebringer

Someone I remember!

VOTE: penguin_alien

Someone I remember...

~LQ

BTW, we are VT.

it is anti-town to claim so early without even being prompted. don't do that if you are town it allows mafia to use process of elimination to find power roles easier

#BlameItOnTheWIFOM

How is it in the interests of town to sow WIFOM so early??

Its not WIFOMing Town, its WIFOMing Scum, there is a difference.

-100 points

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VOTE: tepes

actually, this naked vote is bad. so bad it's slightly worse than BTD_Maker's vote.
VOTE: FLUBBERNUGGT

Please keep up this constant posting so I can get a really good read on you, thanks.

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VOTE: Firebringer

Someone I remember!

VOTE: penguin_alien

Someone I remember...

~LQ

BTW, we are VT.

Gerryoat is basically Calvin Kendall minus the mod. I suppose Tobias Willow can spare him for now.

VOTE: Think Tepes

Do not Think like Tepes, it will turn you into a Large Ham.

I honestly don't know if I like this vote or not.

Tepes and Maker have completely opposite styles. I would think it would be better for these two to feel each other out more before jumping into the clash that has a good chance of happening. Ofc Maker is pretty chill and prolly wont get angry (as with Tepes), but that is not my issue here. My issue is that there will be a lot of misunderstanding between these two.

Maker, why did you vote Tepes knowing there is such a gap in styles between the two of you?

VOTE: BTDMAKER for OPPORTUNISTIC VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could vote you for the same thing. Ask don't accuse. Accusations come later in the game.

here are the three posts where you didnt change your vote,,

Nice job detective, what did I win?

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VOTE: tepes

actually, this naked vote is bad. so bad it's slightly worse than BTD_Maker's vote.
VOTE: FLUBBERNUGGT

Please keep up this constant posting so I can get a really good read on you, thanks.

are you going to ignore my question,,?

Its not WIFOMing Town, its WIFOMing Scum, there is a difference.

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nope. it's also WIFOMing town because when time comes in a few days when people have to start claiming you're just going to make things confusing and confusion benefits scum,,

We'll worry about what happens in a few days in a few days, hows that?

It is Scummy IMHO to try and predict what is going to happen later in the game. At the very least, using it as a means of making someone look Scummy is pretty Scummy in my book. I honestly have not seen an accurate account of what is going to happen later in the game as from Town. Maybe like once, but its so hit or miss that its not even worth talking about.

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You still didn't answer my question. I asked you how come you suspected BTD_Maker and then suspected me, but didn't change your vote to either of us and instead kept your vote on penguin, which was a completely random vote.

Because I am floating my vote. I don't ALWAYS jump on the first thing that looks tempting. Sometimes, like now, all I really want to do is gather information and show I'm Town.

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And you accused me early on for voting instead of asking questions....... well, it looks like asking questions is useless cos you're just going to ignore me.

we need more votes on THE POETIC SCUM

It has been like less than 8 hours since the game started...

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from past observations that kind of hesitant Tentativeness is indicative of SCUM

Why is that?

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........... uh, so because of that you keep your vote on a COMPLETELY RANDOM person over anyone you find suspicious?

Yes, is there a problem with that?

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Poetic Assassin, just read my posts instead of asking questions i've already answered. i had to point this question out to you, which is on the same page, THREE TIMES.

do you know who else doesn't read? scum, cos they don't have to actually worry about scumhunting like town do

I actually put thought in to my response, sorry???

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........... uh, so because of that you keep your vote on a COMPLETELY RANDOM person over anyone you find suspicious?

Yes, is there a problem with that?

cos if votes are SO IMPORTANT to you that you refuse to change them,, you wouldn't have kept it parked on someone random over other people you suspected later on.

Your behavior is not consistent with any townie thought process.

You are assuming things.

1) That I think votes are so important that that is the reason that I am holding off voting.

2) I wouldn't have parked it on someone random over other people I suspected.

Answer to 1) I actually don't think votes are so important that I should use them sparingly. Its early in the game for one. Second, I don't really do/use VCA so I don't find the need to take that into consideration as Town. Sometimes as Town I vote a lot and it switches a lot. Sometimes as Town I don't vote very often. Sometimes I am more concerned about holding multiple stances so I am not concerned with the singularity of my vote.

Answer to 2) How do you know that? You don't that, that is a false assumption. I can try and go back a link times where I have said I floated my vote, but that would be painstakingly time consuming so I rather not. Sometimes I use what I am saying as a stronger driving force than where my vote is. Sometimes I use my vote on principle that I think that the current vote is very important at the time. Other times I am content to leave my vote where it is and let my words do the talking.

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Poetic Assassin, just read my posts instead of asking questions i've already answered. i had to point this question out to you, which is on the same page, THREE TIMES.

do you know who else doesn't read? scum, cos they don't have to actually worry about scumhunting like town do

I actually put thought in to my response, sorry???

Yeah and to put "thought" in your response merits not reading anything on this thread

Quality over quantity. If you can make a lot of Quality posts that is one thing, but just spamming the thread with whatever comes into your head is another.

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You still didn't answer my question. I asked you how come you suspected BTD_Maker and then suspected me, but didn't change your vote to either of us and instead kept your vote on penguin, which was a completely random vote.

Because I am floating my vote. I don't ALWAYS jump on the first thing that looks tempting. Sometimes, like now, all I really want to do is gather information

and show I'm Town.

Why are you concerned with this?

Because its important for my win con for either alignment. I know why you asked this. You are thinking "Town shouldn't worry about looking Town" which is not true at all. If I am Scum read as Town and get lynched, is that helping or hurting my win con?

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You are thinking "Town shouldn't worry about looking Town" which is not true at all. If I am Scum read as Town and get lynched, is that helping or hurting my win con?

I never care about looking town and haven't been mislynched at all.

So, I think you're full of shit.

Well, I haven't worried about looking Town when I first started playing and I was lynched Day 1 a lot.

How many games have you played? My guess: not enough to get lynched as Town.

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How many games have you played? My guess: not enough to get lynched as Town.

Not hard to check my games, chief.

As far as I can see, you don't have a Wiki...

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@Firebringer, what are your thoughts on -grey-, same goes for you Maker.

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How many games have you played? My guess: not enough to get lynched as Town.

Not hard to check my games, chief.

As far as I can see, you don't have a Wiki...

Don't have to.

Profile > View User Threads

That's a pretty inefficient way of doing it...

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@Firebringer, what are your thoughts on -grey-, same goes for you Maker.

i already said i had a weak scum read on him.
nothing really to say beyond I AM KAIN TEPES!!!!!

The game's been going for what, three hours?

Gtfo with that bullshit.

Why can Fire not have a weak Scum read on you?

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Spoiler: Non-Tepes-related Posts

Also Maria as mod means we will get a vote count every 30 pages or so, so try and keep the votes to a minimum or keep track of them cause it will get confusing

That's like dissing the judge when you're on trial, lmao.

Also Maria as mod means we will get a vote count every 30 pages or so, so try and keep the votes to a minimum or keep track of them cause it will get confusing

That's like dissing the judge when you're on trial, lmao.

at long as you don't insult the jury, ur good. judge aint in charge of verdict.

No but they do still hold power over how the trial flows.

Just because they don't have down the verdict doesn't mean they can't convict your ass.

VOTE: Think Tepes
He is too much of an aggressive player

Does he intimidate you, FireAssassin?

You still didn't answer my question. I asked you how come you suspected BTD_Maker and then suspected me, but didn't change your vote to either of us and instead kept your vote on penguin, which was a completely random vote.

Because I am floating my vote. I don't ALWAYS jump on the first thing that looks tempting. Sometimes, like now, all I really want to do is gather information

and show I'm Town.

Why are you concerned with this?

You are thinking "Town shouldn't worry about looking Town" which is not true at all. If I am Scum read as Town and get lynched, is that helping or hurting my win con?

I never care about looking town and haven't been mislynched at all.

So, I think you're full of shit.

How many games have you played? My guess: not enough to get lynched as Town.

Not hard to check my games, chief.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Obvscum

How many games have you played? My guess: not enough to get lynched as Town.

Not hard to check my games, chief.

As far as I can see, you don't have a Wiki...

Don't have to.

Profile > View User Threads

Whoa, why so reactive? One person says you are tied to Tepes and you freak out?

Here's some good advice: its easier too make someone else look Scummy than defend yourself.

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ummm i think ur misreading there.
first line is me saying my read on you.

second line is a joke on the fact kain tapes likes to say his name like that.

That actually makes sense. I don't think you are stupid enough/you have enough experience to know that at this point making pre-flip is not an option. I actually read it that way originally, but then grey made me question it.

This is going to be a long game...

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BTW all posts have been done by LQ, sorry for not signing, I always forget.

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this does feel like it will be a long game.

we gotta start getting AGGRESSIVE. Like our sendai Mr Tepes.

Uhg, I feel like this could be a buddy attempt.

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You are thinking "Town shouldn't worry about looking Town" which is not true at all. If I am Scum read as Town and get lynched, is that helping or hurting my win con?

I never care about looking town and haven't been mislynched at all.

So, I think you're full of shit.

This stands, TPA.

TPA? I have no idea what you are trying to say.

However I think this might fit:

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I want to make you feel paranoid as hell LQ, how can i buddy you harder?

I have no idea how the hell to read you but at least I will laugh through my confusion.

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from past observations that kind of hesitant Tentativeness is indicative of SCUM

Why is that?

That is scummy, because it's completely in line with what scum is afraid of - antagonizing the town by voting too many people. scum wants to buddy up as many people as they can

Yeah, that's only one outlook on how to play.

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cage the elephant back against the wall is amazing.

Stop molesting me, dammit!

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cage the elephant back against the wall is amazing.

Stop molesting me, dammit!

but i genuinely like them. it says so on my gtkas page.

Good lord you have 7 pages. Can you just link you GTKAS so I know you are not lying?

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kain tepes forgot how to log out............................!!! aggressivee player,,

Top right corner.

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first 5 pages made me want to kms.

I am interested to see how you play considering you thought the first five pages aren't worth anything.

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VC 1.1

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- -Grey-

Think Tepes

(3

)- BTD6_maker Flubbernugget Firebringer

(L-2)

Firebringer

(2)

- penguin_alien Think Tepes

penguin_alien

(1)

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With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Think big head is V/LA until Monday

Deadline ends in (expired on 2017-01-26 16:57:49)

could you include a not voting section
also, V/LA until tuesday

But isn't it obv who's not voting by just seeing who is...etye3yt4y okay

I'd like a "Not Voting" section as well.

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Also Maria as mod means we will get a vote count every 30 pages or so, so try and keep the votes to a minimum or keep track of them cause it will get confusing

That's like dissing the judge when you're on trial, lmao.

at long as you don't insult the jury, ur good. judge aint in charge of verdict.

No but they do still hold power over how the trial flows.

Just because they don't have down the verdict doesn't mean they can't convict your ass.

What is the point of this post???

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Also Maria as mod means we will get a vote count every 30 pages or so, so try and keep the votes to a minimum or keep track of them cause it will get confusing

That's like dissing the judge when you're on trial, lmao.

at long as you don't insult the jury, ur good. judge aint in charge of verdict.

No but they do still hold power over how the trial flows.

Just because they don't have down the verdict doesn't mean they can't convict your ass.

What is the point of this post???

Badinage

IDK what that means.

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Also Maria as mod means we will get a vote count every 30 pages or so, so try and keep the votes to a minimum or keep track of them cause it will get confusing

That's like dissing the judge when you're on trial, lmao.

at long as you don't insult the jury, ur good. judge aint in charge of verdict.

No but they do still hold power over how the trial flows.

Just because they don't hand down the verdict doesn't mean they can't convict your ass.

What is the point of this post???

Badinage

IDK what that means.

I do.

Great! Can you tell me what it means?

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first 5 pages made me want to kms.

Yep I have exactly one town read right now and that's it

I.. is... is it me? *sad puppy dog eyes*

Seriously though, who?

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Also Maria as mod means we will get a vote count every 30 pages or so, so try and keep the votes to a minimum or keep track of them cause it will get confusing

That's like dissing the judge when you're on trial, lmao.

at long as you don't insult the jury, ur good. judge aint in charge of verdict.

No but they do still hold power over how the trial flows.

Just because they don't hand down the verdict doesn't mean they can't convict your ass.

What is the point of this post???

Badinage

IDK what that means.

I do.

Great! Can you tell me what it means?

I can.

Don't be obtuse. Just answer.

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No.

How the fuck is that pro-town mentality? Are you really so sure at this point that I am Scum? that is some weak bananas. Very bad.

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I think you both are arguing over something arbitrary and it could be used as something to distance but not sure yet.

I didn't know wtf that meant. It could have been important.

In any case, I can tell my blood pressure is going to go up because of grey. Thanks, grey.

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So far this game sucks ass. We don't have anything at this point and people like grey are content to be arrogant and obtuse.

Someone do something that is actually AI...

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I think you both are arguing over something arbitrary and it could be used as something to distance but not sure yet.

I didn't know wtf that meant. It could have been important.

In any case, I can tell my blood pressure is going to go up because of grey. Thanks, grey.

That's a bit of an overreaction to me suggesting you use common online resources to learn the definition of unknown terms.

Nope, I just don't like you.

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Yo @Maker,

Where you at dawg?

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OK guys, I have almost a quarter of the posts itt. I need people to pick up the activity.

@Think Tepes, where are you?

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VOTE: Firebringer

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Let me buddy you harder!

Prove to me that you are Town without buddying me and I will take my vote off you.

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Tbh, there has been the same 4 people talking it feels like. where is everyone else

Yeah, I already made a horrible post about that...

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TPA has had the worst posts so far this game

Das called shade. Are you aware of that?

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i don't think thats shade throwing as shit throwing.

shade would be saying 'yo thats scummy posting man, you are so scummy you must be scum'

How about we compromise and say it is Shading if they are Scum.

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i thought we were friends GERALD

LOL. Yo, crazy.

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Well, so far penguin has the best post of the game. Town lean for that.

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VOTE: Maker

Maker has 3 posts in this game including an RVS vote. Also they are not playing Pro-Active at all. Their only real post have only been because I was trying to urge activity from that slot. One post a day is not enough to read someone when the slot isn't doing anything substantial outside of an interaction with one player after being prodded by that player.

Penguin has less posts, 2. But their second post was the best post of the game so far, so I don't think it is worth it to go after them at this point.

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BTD6_maker

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ohhh lol
i thought u were doing some role playing like dragon age the maker or something.

ohhh lol
i thought u were doing some role playing like dragon age the maker or something.

lmao. not gonna lie, i had to look for who maker was too

"Thank the maker... we are saved" Is what I would really like to hear this game.

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Flubber would normally be a Town read for me except for two reasons:

1) Its early in the game
2) If I tilt my head a certain way I can see a possible buddy attempt.

That said, he's done more for this game than most so I will say Lean Town.

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i think we should all come together and do 2 things.

1.) iso tepes

2.) vote tepes

Do you have a case? You want other people to do your dirty work for you?

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Flubber voted me pretty much because of PA's reasoning. This was given purely on the basis that I had few posts. Also, if "one post a day is not enough to read someone" then I would be solidly null, not PA's strongest scumread. Also, I was never prodded.

PA is assuming that lack of content is scummy. This may be true when all the high-volume posters are more Townish than the lurkers, but this is not the case here. Posters who post lots of scummy content are better votes than posters who post less content and are harder to read.

My reasoning was more than that, don't short sight me.

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Tentative Town leans on Flubbernugget and Firebringer now.

Fire is a tentative Town read for Town reading me. Fire has seen me at my best in a mafia game and knows giving me a Town read is a dangerous thing as Scum.

Flubber is tentative Town lean because 1) it appears he is trying to move the game forward and 2) it seems reminiscent of a game I modded where he was Town and was lynched.

So these reasons are not super concrete at this point, but I think they are a good starting point.

Also, Slight Scum read on gerry. He seems to not want to push the game forward but is content to push what looks like an agenda, which I think is Scummy to push an agenda sometimes. He has also kinda had the attitude of "Uhg, this game sucks" but hasn't changed their attitude about that and tried to do something to change it other than giving reads and asking about reads.

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

Discrediting my play at every turn and making excuses not to interact with me.

On top of that, his votes are shit.

Now, are you going to continue avoiding me like a petulant child, or are you going to man up and talk to me about my scumread?

I don't think there is much to point to in regards to what you have actually added to the game... I find it weird that you are OK with someone else voting you, saying "I'm fine with this" but its only when someone else votes you that you question it???

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

Discrediting my play at every turn and making excuses not to interact with me.

On top of that, his votes are shit.

Now, are you going to continue avoiding me like a petulant child, or are you going to man up and talk to me about my scumread?

I don't think there is much to point to in regards to what you have actually added to the game... I find it weird that you are OK with someone else voting you, saying "I'm fine with this" but its only when someone else votes you that you question it???

If you can't tell, it's not the vote that annoys me. It's the juvenile attitude.

It doesn't feel like TvT???

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

Discrediting my play at every turn and making excuses not to interact with me.

On top of that, his votes are shit.

Now, are you going to continue avoiding me like a petulant child, or are you going to man up and talk to me about my scumread?

I don't think there is much to point to in regards to what you have actually added to the game... I find it weird that you are OK with someone else voting you, saying "I'm fine with this" but its only when someone else votes you that you question it???

If you can't tell, it's not the vote that annoys me. It's the juvenile attitude.

It doesn't feel like TvT???

Considering he's continuing to ignore me, I don't think so.

There's scum motivation in looking for an excuse to avoid interacting with an aggressive townie.

You haven't done anything aggressively Townie though???

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

Discrediting my play at every turn and making excuses not to interact with me.

On top of that, his votes are shit.

Now, are you going to continue avoiding me like a petulant child, or are you going to man up and talk to me about my scumread?

I don't think there is much to point to in regards to what you have actually added to the game... I find it weird that you are OK with someone else voting you, saying "I'm fine with this" but its only when someone else votes you that you question it???

If you can't tell, it's not the vote that annoys me. It's the juvenile attitude.

It doesn't feel like TvT???

Considering he's continuing to ignore me, I don't think so.

There's scum motivation in looking for an excuse to avoid interacting with an aggressive townie.

You haven't done anything aggressively Townie though???

Kinda hard to when my main suspect is acting like a toddler and ignoring me.

So you're totally cool doing a complete contradiction???

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TPA you

You seem to have the most interactions with Grey, but have only stated reads on players other than them. Why is that?

Because I have no idea how grey would act as Scum. I would guess I have a Scum lean on them though.

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TPA since you townread me, you know i am going to buddy you even harder.
hows ur day buddy?

Fine. I think I am starting to be able to cut through some of the bullshit that you bring to the table and reading your attitude.

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You make it sound like my bullshit is unpleasant to read.
I am insulted.

No, its just that its hard to wade through sometimes, not saying I dislike that...

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Flubber voted me pretty much because of PA's reasoning. This was given purely on the basis that I had few posts. Also, if "one post a day is not enough to read someone" then I would be solidly null, not PA's strongest scumread. Also, I was never prodded.

PA is assuming that lack of content is scummy. This may be true when all the high-volume posters are more Townish than the lurkers, but this is not the case here. Posters who post lots of scummy content are better votes than posters who post less content and are harder to read.

My reasoning was more than that, don't short sight me.

You should state your full reasons then. You wagoned after TPA's vote.

I have read 244 and can see that you find it scummy, but why? There is no explanation there about what makes you think it is scummy at all.

My reasoning is not just that you have so few posts, but that you are not even posting those unless prompted or unless it has to do with you. I see no pro-activity from your slot. There are things to analyze in this game and you are giving us nothing and I know that is your strength. In short, I can't read you so unless you can show some clear pro-town play I see not reason to Town read you.

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@Maker, what is your read on Think Tepes?

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Did you not agree with my assessment of Think?

TBH, its way too early to tell and I kinda find it Scummy of your certainty.

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how is it certainty? This game is going slow as fuck, and I try to get people to read, and you guys are mad at me for it.

You have been pushing Tepes and NO ONE else. that is why I think its too certain.

i think we should all come together and do 2 things.

1.) iso tepes

2.) vote tepes

Gerry, how is your "look at this obvscum" tactic really going to progress the game considering how close we still are to rvs?

um. what do you mean? I'm just telling people to iso tepes and tell me what they think about it. My read is scum.

I don't like these two posts in particular.

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I've been asking people for their reads, are you just not reading? I'm one of the few actually trying, and you have the nerve to try and say that I'm just pushing one agenda? I've asked Maker what he thinks of the BW on him. I've asked penguin what lynch he thinks impoves the game state, i've asked Flubber why he townreads fire (when he's shitposting as much as anyone) and says he's upset with the shitposting in this game. This is why I said originally that you had the worst posts so far, TPA, cause that analysis makes no sense. If I was just pushing Tepes, why would i say that orginally I thought your posts were the worst

This is actually all true. I was hoping other people would comment on it, but I looked through your ISO and started to get some real Town vibes from you. Basically I did a reaction test. I think this is a Townie reaction.

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TPA, give me one reason why you think Tepes is a bad vote, or what you find wrong with my analysis.

I don't think Tepes has done anything AI, that's why I think its a bad vote. Pressure on that slot for the reasons you have given isn't going to do anything. I am concerned that we haven't seen anything from them for a while. I have a hunch that Kain Tepes of the hydra is going to or has site flaked.

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Town:

gerryoat
Flubbernugget
penguin_alien

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Here's my analyzation of JaeReed:

In a multiball game I played with them, they were really quite new iirc.
Then I played in a Newbie game with them, and they (along with most) gave me a Town read.

My guess is that JeaReed either is still trying to figure out how to play exactly and are Town, or They have come a long way and they are Scum.

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Lol so confirmed scum.
Zero explanation on why I am scum besides I should obviously townread your slot? Lol

Immediate panicked attempt at discrediting before I've finished reading up and made a case.

So I'm edging more towards Firebringer/gerryoat team, though gerry scumread is partially based on him doing what I perceive as more than he tends to do as town, so it's highly subjective along with possibly using meta in completely the wrong way, and strong association with Firebringer, so there's a decent chance I'm wrong and it's Flubber.

pedit - yeah my scumread on you is less confident overall and has more to do with associates. Obviously if I'm wrong on fb then it doesn't matter, but I am really certain that fb is scum.

Why are you talking about teams at this point in the game?

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Lol so confirmed scum.
Zero explanation on why I am scum besides I should obviously townread your slot? Lol

Immediate panicked attempt at discrediting before I've finished reading up and made a case.

So I'm edging more towards Firebringer/gerryoat team, though gerry scumread is partially based on him doing what I perceive as more than he tends to do as town, so it's highly subjective along with possibly using meta in completely the wrong way, and strong association with Firebringer, so there's a decent chance I'm wrong and it's Flubber.

pedit - yeah my scumread on you is less confident overall and has more to do with associates. Obviously if I'm wrong on fb then it doesn't matter, but I am really certain that fb is scum.

Why are you talking about teams at this point in the game?

This is a scum team of 2. In case you haven't noticed, mafia is a team game. In a game this small it's fine to look for associates with your top scumreads to see if they fit. If you can't find who the person is scum with, chances are you're wrong on your scumread.

That's not the way I Scum hunt almost ever. That's called pre-flip associations and I'm not a fan.

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Lol so confirmed scum.
Zero explanation on why I am scum besides I should obviously townread your slot? Lol

Immediate panicked attempt at discrediting before I've finished reading up and made a case.

So I'm edging more towards Firebringer/gerryoat team, though gerry scumread is partially based on him doing what I perceive as more than he tends to do as town, so it's highly subjective along with possibly using meta in completely the wrong way, and strong association with Firebringer, so there's a decent chance I'm wrong and it's Flubber.

pedit - yeah my scumread on you is less confident overall and has more to do with associates. Obviously if I'm wrong on fb then it doesn't matter, but I am really certain that fb is scum.

Why are you talking about teams at this point in the game?

This is a scum team of 2. In case you haven't noticed, mafia is a team game. In a game this small it's fine to look for associates with your top scumreads to see if they fit. If you can't find who the person is scum with, chances are you're wrong on your scumread.

That's not the way I Scum hunt almost ever. That's called pre-flip associations and I'm not a fan.

EBWOP

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Actually we can lynch me.
Save Maria m trouble of replacing me.

You're so damn funny.

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Hi, hapahauli, I played on TL like twice so I am kinda sorta familiar with their meta. Yours doesn't look akin to what I usually see there.

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Town:

gerryoat
Flubbernugget
penguin_alien

Thinking about adding JaeReed to this list. Any objections?

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This game is hard to read.

What it felt like the first half of the day:

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VOTE: Firebringer

SOMETHING HAPPEN!

I find this Scummy actually considering that the thread has actually picked up quite a bit since the halfway mark of the day IE. after JaeReed Replaced in.

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garry vote me.
LQ vote me.

grey i think is already voting me? w/e he should not me.

I want to be released from this game.

Stop complaining and do something about it. The game has not been that bad the last couple of days, so I'm not sure I am seeing what you are seeing.

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VOTE: Firebringer

Don't like the VC we need some wagons and I jus picked the one I felt was best *shrug*

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I could go grey, however.

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GG.

That was the fucking stupidest hammer I have ever seen.

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VOTE: JaeReed

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Oh get off it. Fire quit the fucking game and wasn't worth keeping around.

Dude had checked out.

Worst fucking argument I've ever heard in a game.

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Idgaf, TPA. Dude had taken his ball and went home. Refused to replace out. There was nothing else to do.

Obviously, I wasn't the only one that thought so. I'm just the only one with the balls to say it.

No, your the idiot that felt you needed to do the Mods job for them (if you are Town).

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VOTE: -Grey-

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VOTE: -Grey-

Why are you voting

Grey

?
He drew a lot of attention yesterday.
When a player acts rashly and mean,
They are frequently

green

,
And the

mafia

continue lurking away.

that may be true, but do you really think grey is the type of play to play that way? I just finished a game with grey and the difference is night and day. What you say is true, Town are usually more likely to draw attention to themselves. Thing is, that's what makes it a good ploy as Scum. That what I think grey is doing here. Something seems off in grey and I think they are Scum.

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My lynch pile looks like:

Grey
JaeReed
Maker

I'd be fine with any one of these lynches honestly.

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Perhaps it may be a "good play",
For mafia to vote like that yesterday,
But in your obsession,
You ignore the most important question:

How likely is mafia to play that way?

Now give people what they need,
Talk a bit about

JaeReed

.
You had put your vote down,
But were previously reading him town,
The progression is confusing indeed.

Firebringer said to vote off JaeReed.

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But everyone seems to be ignoring,
What mafia did while we were snoring,
Last night

Flubbernugget

died,
I opened his filter and looked inside,
And which lynch do you think he was exploring?

VOTE: btd

yeah, I was going to look at the stances Flubber made, but hadn't got around to it yet. It could be telling that he voted Maker, but I would need to see some reasoning from flubber on Maker to conclude that is why he was killed.

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But everyone seems to be ignoring,
What mafia did while we were snoring,
Last night

Flubbernugget

died,
I opened his filter and looked inside,
And which lynch do you think he was exploring?

VOTE: btd

yeah, I was going to look at the stances Flubber made, but hadn't got around to it yet. It could be telling that he voted Maker, but I would need to see some reasoning from flubber on Maker to conclude that is why he was killed.

He could have just been NKed because certain people Town read him? Readdynamics or something like that.

What is Maker at? I'd like to vote him.

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VOTE: -Grey-

Took you long enough!

Oh, I see. So you were planning on me Scum reading you? What was the next step to the plan?

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I've played with Grey as scum when we were both scums. He was super obvious day 1 and wasn't as angry as he is right now. So I don't really sr him right now.

A meta read based on one fucking game? NOT RELIABLE!!!

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I've played with Grey as scum when we were both scums. He was super obvious day 1 and wasn't as angry as he is right now. So I don't really sr him right now.

A meta read based on one fucking game? NOT RELIABLE!!!

Plus, i think grey has been pretty damn obvious.

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I've played with Grey as scum when we were both scums. He was super obvious day 1 and wasn't as angry as he is right now. So I don't really sr him right now.

A meta read based on one fucking game? NOT RELIABLE!!!

Plus, i think grey has been pretty damn obvious.

Like I don't think people are Town reading him and they just chalk it up to "too scummy to be scum"

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I've played with Grey as scum when we were both scums. He was super obvious day 1 and wasn't as angry as he is right now. So I don't really sr him right now.

A meta read based on one fucking game? NOT RELIABLE!!!

Plus, i think grey has been pretty damn obvious.

Like I don't think people are Town reading him and they just chalk it up to "too scummy to be scum"

I am explicitly townreading Grey and I believe hap is too, so that's wrong.

What has Grey done that is actually Townie? Seriously, what?

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That's not the question.

The question is, what have I done that forwards a scum agenda?

Nope, that's NOT the question I am asking. If I am Town hunting, I don't look at possible Scum agenda, I look at who has done Townie things, and you most certainly have not, which then can be concluded that you could be having a Scum agenda.

I have 4 people that I have seen who have been clearly Townie in my eyes. Those people I am WAY less likely to vote. So unless you get yourself in that group, I am fine lynching you.

You were Towning it up in pick your poison and I see not even a semblance of that here.

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You were Towning it up in pick your poison and I see not even a semblance of that here.

A meta read based on one fucking game? NOT RELIABLE!!!

Hypocrite.

Yep. I get how it

looks

contradictory to some, but that's without knowing my philosophy on meta reads. I don't say player did X in Y game so they are the same alignment here. I do Player exhibited X behavior in Y game so I should measure up the congruence of what that persons character is like so I can get a better feeling of how they play so I know what to expect out of their playstyle and then try and tell if they would be more or less likely to do behavior A as Town or Scum.

Basically, I am not reading a behavior of a game but their playstyle.

So similarities between those games:
Bold moves
Not giving a shit if they are killed

Differences:
Not making intentions known
Not explaining position

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This is my problem with you:

Differences:
Not making intentions known
Not explaining position

And you think there is no reason that I as town would behave in this manner?

Doesn't seem like a genuine read to me outside of the newbie queue.

If you would have JUST SAID THE FIRST PART I would have no problem with this post at all. But the second one look like you just used the first one to... throw some shade on me if you think I'm Scum/discredit me if you think I'm Town.

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Differences:
Not making intentions known
Not explaining position

And you think there is no reason that I as town would behave in this manner?

Doesn't seem like a genuine read to me outside of the newbie queue.

Its a conflict of character that I am seeing which I use a lot to read people. If I can understand how it is NOT a conflict of character, I change the read.

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Vote count

You still have the Night icon activated.

Yeah so? CAN I NOT LIKE NIGHT?

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Penguin_alien

also thinks mafia is

Grey

,
Because he’s posting in an anti-town way,
But instead of pushing her vote,
She argues with

Gerryoat

I would also lynch her today.

IIRC, gerryoat started it.

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Tentative Town leans on Flubbernugget and Firebringer now.

Fire is a tentative Town read for Town reading me. Fire has seen me at my best in a mafia game and knows giving me a Town read is a dangerous thing as Scum.

Flubber is tentative Town lean because 1) it appears he is trying to move the game forward and 2) it seems reminiscent of a game I modded where he was Town and was lynched.

So these reasons are not super concrete at this point, but I think they are a good starting point.

Also, Slight Scum read on gerry. He seems to not want to push the game forward but is content to push what looks like an agenda, which I think is Scummy to push an agenda sometimes. He has also kinda had the attitude of "Uhg, this game sucks" but hasn't changed their attitude about that and tried to do something to change it other than giving reads and asking about reads.

Just putting this here for ya'know raisins.

Compliments to hapa for directing me that way.

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Which tells me I should prolly reconsider my Town read on gerry... Hmm.

Still, grey is my prefered lynch. They are inexperienced and it shows. I don't think grey has done anything Townie when looking at things through Occam's Razor. Who begs to differ?

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Which tells me I should prolly reconsider my Town read on gerry... Hmm.

What do you think about what I said about grey?

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Which tells me I should prolly reconsider my Town read on gerry... Hmm.

Still, grey is my prefered lynch. They are inexperienced and it shows. I don't think grey has done anything Townie when looking at things through Occam's Razor. Who begs to differ?

Stop using my noobness as an excuse for a lazy scumread.

Oh, sorry, what I meant to say was Newb Scum. Sorry I didn't make that clearer!!!

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Mod, I am V/LA until the 4th of February. Real Life is getting busy. I should still be able to post, just not as often.

Well, its really a relief that you can still post every once in a while!

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lmao, vote him

I don't just put pressure on one person at a time.

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But everyone seems to be ignoring,
What mafia did while we were snoring,
Last night

Flubbernugget

died,
I opened his filter and looked inside,
And which lynch do you think he was exploring?

VOTE: btd

This assumes that because Flubbernugget was voting me and he died, that is evidence against me. Dead Townies can be wrong,

and are as likely to be wrong as any other Townie.

Err.. not necessarily?

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{hap}
{JaeReed, gerryoat}
{Grey}
{Maker, Alisae}

VOTE: Alisae

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Okay so you hammered BTD without claim. But it's ok he's maf with TPA

Why am I Scum again?

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I deliberately voted Alisae so that I WOULDN't be hammering Maker with more than half the day left. :/ Maker better be Scum dammit.

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A. Obviously they can.
B. My lolhammer makes me "obvious scum" does it not? If so, and BTD were to flip red, then I am most likely the most obvious lynch for tomorrow. Knowing this, why would scum attempt to distance themselves by hammering? That's playing against their wincon.

This smells of BS completely. Going against their win con? I don't fucking think so.

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Also really sounds like Alisae knows for a fact that Maker is going to flip red. We'll see.

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Your plan:

"Imma going to push other townies, and see what sticks."
"Ah shit, BTD is going down."
"Welp, let's make the best of a bad situation - bus him for town-cred, and shut down discussion for the rest of the day!"
"Lol Hapa, I can't possibly be scum in this situation!"

I think that's pretty believable.

Evidence that points in favor of this.
1) You weren't suspicious of BTD all day.
2) The main reason you want to lynch BTD is to "give me ammo", which is absurd.
3) You wanted BTD to claim. Then you got impatient and went back on your word.

Hell, regardless of what BTD flips, this makes you look bad.

Yeah, I have to agree with this.

Hap if you are Scum here, you go on my "never trust" list.

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Man, those NKs are fucking brutal!

We can't catch a break!

btw tomorrow is lylo

VOTE: Alisae

Lets NOT quick hammer this Aight?

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UNVOTE:

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I forgot it was Lylo

@Mod, replace this hydra with just me, LQ. I haven't heard form my partner in over a week I think and they haven't made a single post yet

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TPA, please don't vote.

We should mass claim

I highly doubt there is anything left but VT honestly. That would mean there is a RB for Scum.

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wtf you're a hydra?

Is it just me or do we now have to talk about whether there are possibly 2 derp town moves?

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wtf you're a hydra?

Yeah, why do you think I haven't posted as LQ yet signed my posts as such?

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Lol so confirmed scum.
Zero explanation on why I am scum besides I should obviously townread your slot? Lol

Lynch it... lynch it with...

Spoiler: wait for it...

FIRE!!!!!!!

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OK, I'm done dicking around. I reread the thread, this is Scum:

VOTE: Alisae

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Also, Jae is also Scum so lynch them Tomorrow.

Reason: Their reads list was so bad its not even funny.

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Also, Jae is also Scum so lynch them Tomorrow.

Reason: Their reads list was so bad its not even funny.

If me and Jae were partners which we aren't, why would he attempt to hardbus me?

yup, I actually saw that and it gave me some serious pause. Jae I am not as sure about.

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I played like shit this game, Town played like shit this game. Scum was so obvious. It was so obvious no one believed Scum could be so obvious.

Grey, you are terrible at Scum.

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I'm actually ok with this loss. GJ maf.

How are you OK with this loss? grey was the most obvious Scum I have ever seen.

I'm never sheeping the dead again.