Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[drealmerz7]

I'm going to say what I said to giga in our PT: (btw fuck you whoever killed them - I am coming for you, motherfucker)

I know this isn't what probably anyone wants to hear, but it is how I play and I am being straight with it to you all: I'm NOT trying to distract, but I have to put it out there before going forward

LUV is my strongest scumread, and for me this game is just that, I want to lynch my top SR first - I think it likely that TWIE/Kison would sort from a LUV lynch, at least for me, that is how I'd ideally play it, now that I've said that,

I'm not going to push it and understand the dipole and do think we should stay focused there (don't worry, giga - I'ma keep it on track~! even if I have to go full-rage mode...) everything else is a back-burner issue

it's TWIE or Kison today

fishy is fucking town as fuck, #2 TR after giga, and I was right about giga (no duh)

dunnstral, stay focused or get farther down on my SR list (gerry is badtown, dude) - do you not have a SR/scumlean on kison or TWIE?

[Fishythefish]

Incidentally, I said I had A Plan.

Well, I'm not sure I do, but no harm sharing in case someone can make something of it.

Kison claims to be a watcher tonight. Maxous is a neighbouriser tonight. We could:
- Pick a very likely townie, X.
- Have Kison watch them.
- Have Max flip a coin, and decide whether to neighbourise them.
- Make Kison declare whether Max did in fact visit them.

If

X and Max are both town, Kison only has a coinflip to guess whether the visit happened. So we get loads of information if Kison guesses wrong; and very little if he guesses right.

[TheWayItEnds]

loads of information like kison doesnt have a 5c.

because we already know he has the 6c?

thats fucking brilliant.

[TheWayItEnds]

i take back calling you an idiot.

because wow.

what a plan.

[Fishythefish]

loads of information like kison doesnt have a 5c.

because we already know he has the 6c?

thats fucking brilliant.

Oh come on don't do that thing where you pretend everyone knows your information is true. Obviously, you learn nothing from this plan. But everyone else in the game might. Really, your whole thing of "just say you are town and Kison is scum over and over" is super annoying.

[TheWayItEnds]

im actually not doing that at all.

im acting like this whole situation is beneath me because anyone with a brain should be able to look at kisons argument and go yeah thats clearly scum and it doesnt really need me to comment on it at all.

[TheWayItEnds]

hey fish what do you think the odds of a town win are on the 48hr lynch deadline?

[Fishythefish]

@two up: Please humour me, then, and explain like you would to someone who doesn't quite have a brain but is really trying.
@one up: very, very bad. You basically need the whole town to have good reads every day, right out the gate.

[Fishythefish]

(particularly, ofc, because we have gerry v Dunn, and I'm pretty sure they are both town. At this point, I'm basically reduced to hoping I'm wrong on that one)

[TheWayItEnds]

2) scum!TWIE could give a real guilty on scum!Kison or scum!LUV: a hard bus.
3) scum!TWIE could give a real inno on town!Kison or town!LUV. However, with inventory, narrowing down the lynch pool in "hunt the ace of clubs" would be a real risk. Particularly true of the other of Kison and LUV is scum.

why would i ever do either of these things then.

any situation where im bussing someone in this position is obscene.

if anyone in this game is considering a situation where kison and i are both scum, get help.

[TheWayItEnds]

I'm town. If you guys actually step up and compare our play you'll see I'm not the right lynch.

- I was one of the few people who pushed Maria during day two.
- I was against Jackel's wagon.
- I was against McMenno's lynch.
- I've put considerable effort into finding scum consistently throughout the game.

Vifam/TWIE:
- Bandwagoned Drone.
- Bandwagoned Jackel.
- Replaced out day 3 whle Maria was been lynched so wasn't really around.
- Was on the Milkshake/Arcangel lynch.
- Contributed nothing day 5 and didn't even vote the entire day.

because kisons list of things is.

hey look at the things that i was right about.
and look im efforting.

like you do understand how an informed minority works right?

whereas the counterpoints are, hey look. TWIE didnt know the alignment of everyone in the game like i did. he must be scum.
because that makes sense.
no note that i also didnt want menno.
puts "didnt vote day 5" as a negative. i didnt contribute to either day 5 mislynches and the note here is, yeah but its bad that he didnt vote.

its like the most biased way you can attampt to frame these situations and i really didnt think it warranted a response other than a yawning smiley (which i still desperately need kison)

[Fishythefish]

You would quite likely bus if Kison and Uzi were

both

scum. An inno on one of them is too likely to be countered by inventory.

A real inno on town!Kison or town!Luv I've said is unlikely (and obviously didn't happen); but again might have been an option because you were afraid of being countered by inventory.

For a scum card cop last night, the decision of what to claim was

hard

.

[Fishythefish]

... though actually, you'd clearly bus the ace of clubs, not the six.

[TheWayItEnds]

how do i as scum end up in a situation where kison and uzi are both scum, claim a guilty on them and not have it be the ace of clubs?

you think ive claimed a guilty on a scum team member that doesnt stop the search for the ace of clubs and somehow thats a good play for me.

[TheWayItEnds]

like it would literally have been better to pick giga, claim he had the ace of clubs and that someone on his scumteam must have fed him an inventory result and probably lose the 1v1 than to bus a teammate and still have the ace be in play somewhere.

especially if you're attempting to imply that i have it.

[Fishythefish]

because kisons list of things is.

hey look at the things that i was right about.
and look im efforting.

like you do understand how an informed minority works right?

whereas the counterpoints are, hey look. TWIE didnt know the alignment of everyone in the game like i did. he must be scum.
because that makes sense.
no note that i also didnt want menno.
puts "didnt vote day 5" as a negative. i didnt contribute to either day 5 mislynches and the note here is, yeah but its bad that he didnt vote.

its like the most biased way you can attampt to frame these situations and i really didnt think it warranted a response other than a yawning smiley (which i still desperately need kison)

Being biased against someone who is in a dipole with you is not a mark against you.

I did not cite Kison's post, and my opinions of Kison as mild town are nothing new. I don't find it hugely convincing.

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Yeah, see my last post; I now don't think all three scum is plausible.

[TheWayItEnds]

Being biased against someone who is in a dipole with you is not a mark against you.

the way you argue it is.

[Fishythefish]

Being biased against someone who is in a dipole with you is not a mark against you.

the way you argue it is.

How?

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Do you think Uzi is basically confirmed Ace of Clubs scum?

[TheWayItEnds]

because as town if i, and the person im 1v1ing both did something i would leave that out of the argument.

i would not bring it up as a positive for me, and spin it as a negative for them.

its a disingenuous argument.

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no.

[TheWayItEnds]

the inventory should have been on clubs and not the ace.

[TheWayItEnds]

id actually like to know who the driving force behind that inventory was.

but now its kinda late for that.

[Fishythefish]

because as town if i, and the person im 1v1ing both did something i would leave that out of the argument.

i would not bring it up as a positive for me, and spin it as a negative for them.

its a disingenuous argument.

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no.

Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

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What are the other options for the ace of clubs?

[drealmerz7]

I actually thought clubs was better and suggested as much a few times but giga kept saying just to do ace - of course you just have to take my word for it - ugh, why didn't they come back with their summary and more stuff before the deadline?????

wait, can I quote the PT? *goes and checks*

[Fishythefish]

IDK. What would clubs have told us? I'm guessing, that the suits have been truthfully claimed.

Thinking back now, I kinda wish we'd inventoried whichever club Uzi claims to have. Bet there are lots of them in the deck.

You can quote the PT a bit (checked with the mod to post Dunn's "let's kill Titus"). How much is not clearly defined AFAIK.

[drealmerz7]

yeah that is what I thought I remembered from that incident but was double-checking

I don't see anything anywhere

do you want quotes of any variety?