Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[TheWayItEnds]

Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

this is not remotely true. the mindset is whats different.

[TheWayItEnds]

IDK. What would clubs have told us? I'm guessing, that the suits have been truthfully claimed.

Thinking back now, I kinda wish we'd inventoried whichever club Uzi claims to have. Bet there are lots of them in the deck.

You can quote the PT a bit (checked with the mod to post Dunn's "let's kill Titus"). How much is not clearly defined AFAIK.

clubs tells us if the ace is hiding in a claimed club. which if it is, confirms uzi as scum.

[TheWayItEnds]

afaik

[TheWayItEnds]

if someone is hiding the ace as another non diamond suit clubs inventory tells us that too.

[Fishythefish]

Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

this is not remotely true. the mindset is whats different.

Town thinks: TWIE is confirmed scum. I must prove it.
Scum thinks: TWIE is town. I must prove he's scum.

They come at it from a different angle, but both must find anything they can that proves TWIE is scum. Maybe there's a difference, but I think it's going to lead to a pretty similar outcome. If anything, the town version's arguments might be

worse

; when they find something that looks kinda scummy, they know the opponent is scum, so have no real reason to examine it critically.

Yeah, I should think more about non-club hidey holes, actually. On that now.

[TheWayItEnds]

Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

this is not remotely true. the mindset is whats different.

Town thinks: TWIE is confirmed scum. I must prove it.

Scum thinks: TWIE is town. I must prove he's scum.

They come at it from a different angle, but both must find anything they can that proves TWIE is scum. Maybe there's a difference, but I think it's going to lead to a pretty similar outcome. If anything, the town version's arguments might be

worse

; when they find something that looks kinda scummy, they know the opponent is scum, so have no real reason to examine it critically.

Yeah, I should think more about non-club hidey holes, actually. On that now.

bolded is wrong.

[drealmerz7]

inventory just ace of clubs imo

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dunn being scum means dave wasn't killed for a card cop

probably one in {TWIE, Dunn}

^ same w grey but i HIGHLY highly highly doubt it

{drealfucker, fishy, Vecna, Max, Giga, Grey, gerry} i still think is all town

^forgot spyrex

{grey, fishy, max, drealmerz, vecna, spyrex}

^ one scum in this pool

fuck

dunn/gerry unlikely SvS
plausible TvT but unlikely

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bout to send in inventory request for ace of clubs right?

not just clubs we sure?

yes.

we can just count the number of clubs in the massclaim

ace of clubs is what we care about. if we get a result of 1 then we know any guilty TWIE pulls is bs

[Fishythefish]

I think there are very few Ace options:

-Grey-

- early claim
gerryoat

Fishythefish

- all confirmed
Kison

Maxous

- early hood claim

drealmerz7

- early hood claim

Vecna

- early hood claim

Dunnstral

- all confirmed
Lil Uzi Vert
TheWayItEnds

[Fishythefish]

gerry claims KH and KC. Two kings with active night powers? Would be a pretty weird draw.

The KC is vengeful, not a fakeclaim. I guess the KH could be fake.

[Fishythefish]

Some combination of TWIE and myself basically has me talked round to a Kison lynch. I'm struggling to see a 6-of-clubs-fake while there's the ace loose in the world. But I'm going to sleep on it.

[TheWayItEnds]

Knowing someone is scum leads to pretty epic confirmation bias. In fact, town and scum motivations in Kison's situation are basically exactly aligned. Making it pretty damn hard to read.

this is not remotely true. the mindset is whats different.

Town thinks: TWIE is confirmed scum. I must prove it.

Scum thinks: TWIE is town. I must prove he's scum.

They come at it from a different angle, but both must find anything they can that proves TWIE is scum. Maybe there's a difference, but I think it's going to lead to a pretty similar outcome. If anything, the town version's arguments might be

worse

; when they find something that looks kinda scummy, they know the opponent is scum, so have no real reason to examine it critically.

Yeah, I should think more about non-club hidey holes, actually. On that now.

bolded is wrong.

to follow up on this, i dont have to prove that kison is scum, my result does that for me.

i just have to show that im town. kison scum becomes apparent on its own.

scum kison has to prove that im scum.

thats why its different.

[TheWayItEnds]

wow i would not have posted that list of quotes like that

[TheWayItEnds]

kison/maxous/grey/{gerry/luv}

maybe?

[drealmerz7]

why? I thoroughly looked through the rules

[TheWayItEnds]

direct quotes from other places are usually just dont ever dos.

should always paraphrase them or talk to the mods first.

[TheWayItEnds]

like essentially you just proved that you have a neighborhood.

before we were just taking conftowns word for it.

[Fishythefish]

On play in a 1v1: this sounds like a playstyle thing. If you produced a guilty on me, I would sure as hell try to show you were likely scum, as any alignment.

I'm struggling past LUV and Kison/TWIE for the scumteam. I'm planning to die before we get to that point, so that's OK.

[drealmerz7]

hmm, well if it shouldnt' be done, it should be in the rules is what I think, and have seen it explicitly so in many games

and this game is detailed as fuck

I'm sure quipla was conscious in this, if not, then I can't be held accountable for it not being in the rules I think

[drealmerz7]

it's done now, refocus

[Fishythefish]

Hopefully also the mods will be inclined to mercy given the fairly small difference those quotes make to the game.

[Fishythefish]

I keep needing this and struggling to find it, so plonking it in my ISO:
77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat KH, KC, 3D
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison - Ks, 5c, 4h
13 - Maxous - Ah, 3h, 5h
17 - drealmerz7 - 9h, 3h
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
12 - Lil Uzi Vert - Qh, 9s, 7c
12 - TWIE 5c, 9c (missed 8s)

[TheWayItEnds]

vecna has an additional card now too i believe

[Fishythefish]

Yeah. I know what is

I'm only really interested in the drafting.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

oh cool i get a bah post

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good luck town and lynch those

damn bougies

scumfucks!!! ♡♡♡

[Kison]

because kisons list of things is.

hey look at the things that i was right about.
and look im efforting.

like you do understand how an informed minority works right?

whereas the counterpoints are, hey look. TWIE didnt know the alignment of everyone in the game like i did. he must be scum.
because that makes sense.
no note that i also didnt want menno.
puts "didnt vote day 5" as a negative. i didnt contribute to either day 5 mislynches and the note here is, yeah but its bad that he didnt vote

I actually missed that you were against McMenno, but let's take a trip down memory lane and have a look at it:

d4:

Math I don't really like. But I thought vedith was town.

Kraska I didn't like but how stupid would you have to be to claim that vig. Unless someone knows that grey is always a vi.

Luv and menno I guess I wouldn't be upset about lynching, I'd just prefer the others first.

d5:

we're really doing menno again huh

cool.

it's a 2fer

oh then that makes it better

That's it. Further, you said you wanted a Gerry or Kison lynch, yet voted neither of them. In fact you abstained from voting entirely. Your opposition was about as weak as they come.

I've been wrong on quite a lot this game, and I pointed that out a few pages ago

here

. The difference between you and me is I've been trying this entire game to find scum: something town must do to win. You on the other hand have done jack shit and either wagoned your way through the game or sat by and let them happen.

its like the most biased way you can attampt to frame these situations and i really didnt think it warranted a response other than a yawning smiley (which i still desperately need kison)

I dunno kid I think what you desperately need is a new schtick & an upgrade of your witty banter arsenal.

Some combination of TWIE and myself basically has me talked round to a Kison lynch. I'm struggling to see a 6-of-clubs-fake while there's the ace loose in the world. But I'm going to sleep on it.

Probably because he knows it's in the game & to get this exact reaction out of people. Please don't make the wrong choice over such a silly reason.

Incidentally, I said I had A Plan.

Well, I'm not sure I do, but no harm sharing in case someone can make something of it.

Kison claims to be a watcher tonight. Maxous is a neighbouriser tonight. We could:
- Pick a very likely townie, X.
- Have Kison watch them.
- Have Max flip a coin, and decide whether to neighbourise them.
- Make Kison declare whether Max did in fact visit them.

If

X and Max are both town, Kison only has a coinflip to guess whether the visit happened. So we get loads of information if Kison guesses wrong; and very little if he guesses right.

I'm happy to be tested, but note that (1) this relies on Max being town and (2) it doesn't tell you all what to do

today

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pedit: ilu giga