Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[Prism]

@Nacho:

I want your reaction to me/mastina. What you think it means for my alignment and why.

[Vaxkiller]

if she could talk herself out of getting lynched with that hot garbage, then don't you think she could talk herself out of a day 1 lynch?

touche'

I think she would at least have more fun.

Gotta go, ill be on later tonight

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho:

I want your reaction to me/mastina. What you think it means for my alignment and why.

I don't think it's alignment indicative.
Do you?

[Prism]

Yes.

I find it

highly

unlikely you thought it wasn't worth commenting on. You might even say it's rather familiar.

[mastina]

camn gave the vig to a town player personally.

That wasn't the impression that I got.
I got the impression that Pine got to draft a member.
Then camn got to draft a member.
Then Pine.
Then camn.
Then Pine got his third, and the rest were all town.
And AFTER the draft, roles were randomly assigned: random distribution of roles across the town, and random distribution of the role for the scum.

I mean, it's basically the only explanation I can think of for camn giving me this role--wouldn't this role be far, far, FAR better suited for, oh...saaaaay, you? Or Fate? Or...like, literally half a dozen players that camn knows in here better than she knows me? (Because as far as I know, camn knows nothing about me?)

Because if camn didn't randomly assign town roles, that would imply she actually had me as one of her top draft choices. Not THE top choice (which would be for the vig), but given the strength of my role, either second or third in all likelihood. And while I told her that Pine would approve of my presence in the game (ironically he sent a PM inviting me AFTER I had already asked camn), and I told her that it basically wouldn't be a Pine game without me, what I said was essentially, "probably as town because mastina-Pine would be OP" and that was it; would she really take my word for it and think I was someone she absolutely HAD to keep away from Pine? And not only keep away from Pine, but be given a highly-sensitive role?

[Nachomamma8]

I mean, there's the argument that you wouldn't flex your muscles in plain sight like that because it has the potential to take away from mastina's townread on you, but I don't think it's a particularly compelling one. It makes you two not scum together but if you have any sense of game flow you know that mastina's not getting lynched this game regardless of the nonsense surrounding her, so it's not a large loss as scum. I think you'd be interested in flexing your muscles as either alignment. I'm also unsure why you're interested in my read of this particular interaction.

[Monokuma]

ROLES AND ALIGNMENTS ARE NOT RANDOM!
There are also novel roles and mechanics.
Before the game, Pine was given his choice of his team's scumroles. He has DAYTALK as well.
He was also given a SINGLE request as to the setup of the rest of the town.
I then balanced the rest of the setup against him.

After the playerlist was set.. Pine and I DRAFTED players. He went first, and we traded off until he was full.
So take that under advisement. We both assigned roles as we saw fit.

[Prism]

I don't think I can tell you more without beating you over the head with it, your answer here is NAI which is not what I was hoping for.

[Prism]

I gave you one wink, I have you two, I can't give you a third.

[Nachomamma8]

roles were randomly assigned:

I know when that hotline bling
that can only mean one thing

ever since I left the city

YOU

[Nachomamma8]

I gave you one wink, I have you two, I can't give you a third.

I don't need winks. My expectation is that I don't live very long in this game; me getting a solid townread on you is not of a particular benefit to you as town to you as scum because I won't live very long. I need good reads, I need support where I have good reads, and I need you to shut me down when I have bad reads. If you're trying to figure out my alignment, then it's good practice and nothing else since scum will be giving you your answer soon enough.

[Nachomamma8]

Like. If he flips town POWER lynch me here.

and also silly me:

I thought this was mastina saying if I was town power, then lynch me.

[Nachomamma8]

her, same difference.

[Prism]

I think you're town anyway but I don't like to underestimate my opponent.

Answer is I did exactly the same play in Podoboq's game. Boring.

[Prism]

Also, if you're not going to live that long, I imagine you would want to get a read on me as soon as you can.

Scratch that, you actually might not be town.

[mastina]

So in the last three months, Pine has played with: drealmerz, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Secret Agent Jin, drealmerz/Secret Agent Jin again, drealmerz a third time, and Aeronaut.
I only did a quick search, so let me know if I missed any. (Because this is a really fucking huge thing: missing any is problematic towards analysis.)

Knowing this, I can say: pisskop/Aristophanes, SirCakez, Prism, Vaxkiller, and BTD6_maker are all basically conftown. They haven't played with Pine recently as far as I know, and they're too young to have played with Pine in his glory days.

That leaves two/three scum in: Nacho, Fate, Secret Agent Jin, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Monokuma (Pine might not have played with them, but they're the only hydra in the game and Pine might have drafted them for that reason alone), drealmerz, and Aeronaut.

By the way, for my 200th post, I thought it appropriate to come back to this. You can argue this is invalid, but...thinking about it, I want to say that it holds at least mostly true. SirCakez, I don't think is scum. Prism I definitely think is town. Vaxkiller is a townread at this point, of some unspecified amount. While BTD6_maker remains suspicious, he's less suspicious than others and I don't see the logic behind Pine picking him. (He doesn't stand out as a player.) pisskop/Aristophanes int hat list remains the most probable, but even there, I have my doubts.

So we're left with 2-3 scum in Nacho/Fate (people who should've been top picks), TheRealGin-N-Tonic (town), Secret Agent Jin, Monokuma, drealmerz, and Aeronaut.

If we assume Nacho is town, and also assume Fate is town, then that's 2-3 scum in Jin/Monokuma/drealmerz/Aeronaut.
The biggest factor here to determine is whether Pine picked one of Fate/Nacho and they're playing a top-form scumgame, or if Pine didn't pick one of Fate/Nacho first, and they're both town.

Basically, by reads: I'm making the call--however correct or incorrect--that Prism, Vaxkiller, and SirCakez are hard-town; BTD6_maker and Aristophanes are nullish-to-town; Nacho and Fate are both town; Gin is definitely town. Leaving, Jin/Monokuma/drealmerz/Aeronaut.

By picks, the order I see from Pine would basically be Nacho/Fate/Aeronaut/drealmerz/Gin/Jin/Monokuma/pisskop/Prism/SirCakez/Vaxkiller/BTD6_maker in about that order.

So if we assume Nacho is town. And assume Fate is town. And assume Gin is town. Then by picks we'd get Aeronaut/drealmerz/Jin, with Monokuma on deck for one of these picks (Aeronaut? drealmerz?) being wrong, and pisskop/Aristophanes in the hall in case two are wrong.

So basically, there's a top-five picks of Aeronaut/drealmerz/Aristophanes/Monokuma/Secret Agent Jin.

Those are the lynches for today which I would, at this juncture, call "not objectively terrible", though I think that other forms of analysis might be able to narrow it down even further.

[Pine]

Mastina, your soulreading of me is awesome. Keep it up, you're doing fine!

[drealmerz7]

yeah remove me from that because I played scum with pine and died N1 to a vigshot and didn't play great
and played horribly in the at least 1 other game we were both town in together

reason to not want me as scum as scum
reason to want me as town as scum

there's no wifom to be had there, it's fucking clear sense

[Prism]

SAJ should have been replaced already, they're playing less mafia than Mo Williams is playing basketball.

[Nachomamma8]

Mastina, your soulreading of me is awesome. Keep it up, you're doing fine!

pine we talked about this

[Nachomamma8]

Also, if you're not going to live that long, I imagine you would want to get a read on me as soon as you can.

Scratch that, you actually might not be town.

My job as town is to make your path as scum as difficult as possible; I will absolutely call you on things that stand out to me if you slip but you haven't slipped yet and so I'm focused more on everyone else as opposed to you.

[Nachomamma8]

And I'm not sure why you're paranoiaing over me not making you a priority when you've already eloquently explained the strategy to dealing with you:

I'm sure Pine drafted a subjective allstar, who we'll nail easily after mislynching the other two or three.

[Prism]

Hey, if you're willing to take me claiming scum to you as hard null rather than scum/town, I'll take it.

[Nachomamma8]

Hey, if you're willing to take me claiming scum to you as hard null rather than scum/town, I'll take it.

If said scum claim wasn't so blatant and cheeky then it's completely possible we'd be having a different conversation right now.

[Prism]

Alright I'm slipping back into taking avenues that I think will be fascinating rather than ones that actually help us out, so I'll stop now.