Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

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[mastina]

As an aside: fully agree with Nacho that this is a massively successful jam session.
This was actually what I talked about when I talked about the magic of just talking. It produces these sorts of ~magical~ things which are nigh-impossible for scum to deal with. If Nacho is scum, this is beyond his A-game. I mean, he can be a pretty stellar scum player, but if he's scum here he's done something so strong, it's beyond the level he's ever done before. If Gin is scum, this improvement is beyond remarkable. It's beyond Rising Star. It'd be "give this scummer a scummy IMMEDIATELY, don't force them to wait a full damn year for something they'll probably win anyway", to say the least.

We've still got a ways to go before we fully hit the stride of everything where it needs to be ideally, but this? This is how towns win a game.

[Aristophanes]

2.5/3 we think he's town (I read him town all game until he voted me tbh but it DID make sense as to why he would say it the way he did, thanks Nacho hence the .5)

I'm okay with moving into townbloc tbh.

Who is moving into your townbloc?

[Nachomamma8]

this is good shit

so, yes, he picked you exactly for all of those reasons with the additional skill of being able to town it up so much as scum - and you just detailed for us exactly why he would pick you and why it matters.

and I really don't mean to be arrogant, people (everyone standing around watching not knowing me being like 'what a fuck comparing himself to mastina'), it's just true that: HOLY SHIT, mastina looks and sounds like me playing my top-notch scumgame (which admittedly hasn't happened often because I ALMOST ALWAYS ROLL TOWN FFS - seriously 4 scum games to like 13 town games or something? I just always see green it's a bit maddening at times.) - these angles are amazing! set yourself up for the 1v1 and then concede that you get MLed a lot, while the guy that has pretty much no traction with ANYone pushes you and sees your game

of course I have no way to prove it and do have the awareness I could still be wrong, but, I really don't think so -

tell us, why sign up to be in the pine revenge game and then offer yourself for a 1v1 on D1? if you're town and know pine SO WELL, you would never want to give yourself up so early before being able to help your fellow townies through the game

you're right, it's a huge game of WIFOM, which I kind of excel at analyzing and makes me wish I knew pine better, BUT, I think I can suss it out well enough at this point, pretty confident, really

so if you're town and go 1v1 and nacho is lynched and flips scum you're like, guaranteed NK right? if you're town and don't go 1v1, is pine going to tell his scummers to not go after to 1.) because you're a valued guest and let's not kill you D1/N1, plus it'll help with the wifom of 'is mastina scum' and 2.) can he risk letting you live that much knowing you can read him so well?

none of it adds up or holds up

what does? him picking you #1 (and I have no doubt pine got to pick first) and counting on you to be like this - but of course what he wasn't counting on was me

@Camn, who picked first in the draft?

mastina, what do you think about my claim to have the growing ability to almost soul-read pine? having only played a few games with him at this point, too, and that is not a claim I make lightly or am able to make often, but it is something I recognize and something that does exist in me for a few people - it surprised me when I got the feeling from him at such an early exposure

I DO NOT yet have the fully developed feeling of it, BUT, I do feel it there and feel it growing, especially the more he posts in this game

also, for how much you are claiming to be able to help us with the pine-figuring, you're not, you're just piling up the mountains of WIFOM for distribution as the game goes along

And this is a damn good post if he's scum. This is exactly the spirit of town!drealmer conviction that Gin and I were talking about earlier, and I just don't think he's gotten the experience to get to this level as scum quite yet.

[Nachomamma8]

<3 I can't fault you for this read I guess. I'm still not scum though. I wish I could make people believe that.

1) Post
2) Profit!!!

The great part about having a scumgame that people view as weak is that it's really really easy to shake bad reads off you.
We're talking about a lot of things here - is there anything that stands out to you? Is there anything you disagree with? Is there anything you want to talk about in particular?

[mastina]

That post was great, but it was actually the bit of the follow-through with the mini-ego-war which really settled drealmerz as town for me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@post 1703

I could bold word choice but with your title of Devil with details, I don't think I need to point out which posts scream "I'm right and I know it" conviction

[Nachomamma8]

(I read him town all game until he voted me tbh but it DID make sense as to why he would say it the way he did, thanks Nacho hence the .5)

So your concern on drealmer is just the vote on you?

[Aristophanes]

<3 I can't fault you for this read I guess. I'm still not scum though. I wish I could make people believe that.

1) Post
2) Profit!!!

The great part about having a scumgame that people view as weak is that it's really really easy to shake bad reads off you.
We're talking about a lot of things here - is there anything that stands out to you? Is there anything you disagree with? Is there anything you want to talk about in particular?

I'm sure there is.

Gimme like an hour and I'll do what I can then.

Also, camping this weekend so I won't be around at deadline. Just an Fyi in advance

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

(I read him town all game until he voted me tbh but it DID make sense as to why he would say it the way he did, thanks Nacho hence the .5)

So your concern on drealmer is just the vote on you?

Admittedly yes, I used to be bandwagoned D1 a lot and when I was town, I learned that the best thing to do is to town hunt your own wagon.

Here's the thing when a wagon gets to 4 votes in a 3 scum game. It is now confirmed there is a town in your wagon. I don't know why people don't analyze that part but it's what I do.

It will seem like OMGUS but I will vote a scum vote against me any day as town.

In that case, it flipped a huge alarm when my town!drealz became lazy and went "meh"

[Nachomamma8]

In that case, it flipped a huge alarm when my town!drealz became lazy and went "meh"

Well I don't think that he just flipped a switch and went lazy when he voted you; I think his dying down was fairly gradual.

[drealmerz7]

"when I

was

town"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Reading through I can sense it, I'm still overall happy with a town!drealz

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

"when I

was

town"

"when" past tense

Talking about old games that were.. in the past...hence the past tense

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So, what does that leave us with?

{Mastin, Nacho, Gin, Prism, Dreal, who am I missing?}

[mastina]

Fate.

[Nachomamma8]

sorry for cooling off for a moment cat fucked with my good vibes

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

{Mastin, Nacho, Gin, Prism, Dreal, Fate}

[Nachomamma8]

gin who do you want to look through next?

[drealmerz7]

if gin isn't scum I think aero or cakez would be, but it's likely gin still

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I hate to say this but I have literally no read on Cakez to where I can say a GTH: either. Mastin says town so I want to talk about that slot.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

if gin isn't scum I think aero or cakez would be, but it's likely gin still

It's so weird because by accusing me still, it makes me feel better about you

[mastina]

sorry for cooling off for a moment cat fucked with my good vibes

Had this problem at the beginning of the jam session, can empathize. <3

[Nachomamma8]

I hate to say this but I have literally no read on Cakez to where I can say a GTH: either. Mastin says town so I want to talk about that slot.

Mastin feels better than both of us on that slot so it's a good choice. Let me boil some more water, get some music queued up that isn't the same song over and over, and then I'll get back into it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

gotta do late night chores, gimme 10 minutes

HOW WE SO HIGH KEY JAMMING WE AGREE ON BREAKS BEFORE WE TALK