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Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:14 pm

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In post 1225, BTD6_maker wrote:I explicitly acknowledged that you have several reasons. Even taken together, these do not make someone obvscum, let alone confscum. You need stronger evidence for that. It is not a "slam dunk" case, it is a moderate case at best.Also, you might say Ari is bad as scum. Ari himself might say that. Now look at his W/L record as scum on the wiki. You are probably assuming he is completely hopeless as scum and will lose practically all the time. This is false. He has a decent win rate as scum. You are both probably confirmation biased on that point (remembering scum losses rather than wins).
I liked this post a lot too; it shows he's doing research on his own into Ari.
And now that I have a much better Ari!town feeling, I think it's even better that this research is leading him to defend Ari.
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Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:16 pm

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we only have 10 more minutes of Ari :(
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Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:16 pm

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WAIT A MINUTE
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Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:17 pm

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In post 1950, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1225, BTD6_maker wrote:I explicitly acknowledged that you have several reasons. Even taken together, these do not make someone obvscum, let alone confscum. You need stronger evidence for that. It is not a "slam dunk" case, it is a moderate case at best.Also, you might say Ari is bad as scum. Ari himself might say that. Now look at his W/L record as scum on the wiki. You are probably assuming he is completely hopeless as scum and will lose practically all the time. This is false. He has a decent win rate as scum. You are both probably confirmation biased on that point (remembering scum losses rather than wins).
I liked this post a lot too; it shows he's doing research on his own into Ari.
And now that I have a much better Ari!town feeling, I think it's even better that this research is leading him to defend Ari.
Actually, though I criticized him at the time, I did like this post too.
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Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:18 pm

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In post 1951, Nachomamma8 wrote:we only have 10 more minutes of Ari :(
It's okay guys, I feel the love! <3
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Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:18 pm

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In post 1616, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1613, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I don't know why I'm being a fucking idiot here but I don't understand what you're saying.

Can you give me a 10 minute break to run to a gas station and get a 52 ounce of dew? I don't think you know how ready I am to go ham.
I'm not THAT needy.
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Complete contradiction. Lynch him bois
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Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:18 pm

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so thank you Ari! I appreciate you coming in and interacting with us the way you did; you climbed into the middle of us spamming for hours and hours and hours and I thought you hit a really, really great stride and I know went from thinking maybe Ari is playing typical scumgame to Ari very very very town. Thank you.
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Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:19 pm

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In post 1955, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1616, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1613, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I don't know why I'm being a fucking idiot here but I don't understand what you're saying.

Can you give me a 10 minute break to run to a gas station and get a 52 ounce of dew? I don't think you know how ready I am to go ham.
I'm not THAT needy.
In post 1921, Nachomamma8 wrote: It's even more perfect if Gin manages to stay awake but everytime he goes like 3 minutes without posting my heart breaks and I feel he's asleep at the wheel.
Complete contradiction. Lynch him bois
that was 3000 posts ago
i'm needy as hell now
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Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:20 pm

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Back to the business. Just for Nacho, I opened up a can of my secret stash of dew. You have another 12 ounces of me.

Sell me your view on Vax
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Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:21 pm

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In post 1956, Nachomamma8 wrote:so thank you Ari! I appreciate you coming in and interacting with us the way you did; you climbed into the middle of us spamming for hours and hours and hours and I thought you hit a really, really great stride and I know went from thinking maybe Ari is playing typical scumgame to Ari very very very town. Thank you.
Well thanks for letting me get into this game! Honestly this is exactly what I needed and you guys should be highly commended for not immediately throwing me to the curb!

I'll keep this up. We're here to wreck Pine, and I fully intend to! XD
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Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:22 pm

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In post 1474, Vaxkiller wrote:I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.
I think this post looks town is an exceptionally ballsy move from scum. There's no way Vaxkiller is getting shot night 1, but Vaxkiller as town sees everyone letting mastina go and he feels like all mastina has to do to coast to a win is kill him.
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Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:22 pm

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and also i don't remember if I'm still voting Mono or not but:

Vote: Secret Agent Jin
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Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:25 pm

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In post 1437, Vaxkiller wrote:Aero, get your ass back on fate, dreal, help me lynch fate and we will lynch mastina tomorrow (because I know her ability is going to fail somehow). BTD6, same goes for you about mastina
and again, mobilizing the soldiers to double lynch fate/mastina (because of course mastina's ability is going to fail) seems more confident/convinced town than scum; it's not knock your socks off conviction but it's still worthy of mention
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Nachomamma8 wrote:and also i don't remember if I'm still voting Mono or not but:

Vote: Secret Agent Jin
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VOTE COUNT 1 . 17
  • Secret Agent Jin ---
    3 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, mastina, Fate, )
    L- 4

    BTD6_MAKER ---------
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    L- 7

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    L- 3

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    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Fate ---------------
    3 ( SirCakez, Aristophanes, Vaxkiller, )
    L- 4

    drealmerz7 ---------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Monokuma -----------
    1 ( Nachomamma8, )
    L- 6

    mastina ------------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Aeronaut -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Prism --------------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    SirCakez -----------
    1 ( Aeronaut, )
    L- 6

    Vaxkiller ----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Aristophanes -------
    0 ( )
    L- 7


    Not Voting -
    1 ( Monokuma, )

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I'll join because I am unlikely to be able to after this.
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Should be L-2 unless I miscounted horribly.
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Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:25 pm

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In post 1959, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 1956, Nachomamma8 wrote:so thank you Ari! I appreciate you coming in and interacting with us the way you did; you climbed into the middle of us spamming for hours and hours and hours and I thought you hit a really, really great stride and I know went from thinking maybe Ari is playing typical scumgame to Ari very very very town. Thank you.
Well thanks for letting me get into this game! Honestly this is exactly what I needed and you guys should be highly commended for not immediately throwing me to the curb!

I'll keep this up. We're here to wreck Pine, and I fully intend to! XD
I look forward to making him regret his life choices with you.
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Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:25 pm

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In post 1947, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Mastin, if there is a time to bring out the case on Aero, now is the time to load the draft or start typing.
Not something I can quickly pull together in jam timing.

But the basics behind Aeronaut as scum come from an early iso which felt awkward. In his RVS posting on the first page, we got things like , , , and . None of these felt sincere. They felt forced. When Aeronaut came to my entrance, his stance was basically to defend Nacho without actually defending Nacho, trying to have the best of both worlds. He tried to place peacekeeper without actually playing the part of a peacekeeper. He then focused on by drealmerz, one of drealmerz's towniest posts, and used it for a justification.

All of these immediately gave bad vibes. where he asks for reasoning is something which felt faked especially since he knows he's engaging mastina of all people and that asking for reasons is not something he's likely to get a productive answer out of: it's content to look good that doesn't actually serve a purpose. In , he again tries to get the best of both worlds where he takes SirCakez's side, while not taking his side. was basically a scumclaim, because it was keeping a stagnant read/vote past its expiration date: "Well, there's nothing really
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has in it the problem: Aeronaut says that it's common sense, that the whole game thinks it...so why the fuck does he feel the need to say it? This was my problem that I pointed out, the riddle of the ages. Aeronaut insisted that it was something everyone would know. Aeronaut insisted that it's something so obvious that it needed no explanation. But if it needed no explanation, why did he bother to give one? It's a rather egregious case of giving content which isn't actually content. Something that looks good, but isn't actually good.

This was more or less the basis of my original Aeronaut scumread. There's more content than that, but I'd prefer you and Nacho take on this much.
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Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:27 pm

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In post 1960, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1474, Vaxkiller wrote:I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.
I think this post looks town is an exceptionally ballsy move from scum. There's no way Vaxkiller is getting shot night 1, but Vaxkiller as town sees everyone letting mastina go and he feels like all mastina has to do to coast to a win is kill him.
Would you agree scum have a tendency to forget that they can be "NK'd" when faking a townie?
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Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:29 pm

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In post 1457, Vaxkiller wrote:@nacho

You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?
In post 1469, Vaxkiller wrote:I unvoted earlier because I understand it deserves a chance. I'm venting my suspicions and I'm a little less suspicious now.

Mastina seems like the type of person down for a gambit, I still dont think its the worst possible role to claim, and she could talk herself out of something going wrong with her role tomorrow easily.
I think that this progression looked good.
Trying to walk Vaxkiller off that ledge was trying to pull a cat away from a chicken sandwich they've already sunk their teeth into; I love how he backs off a little tiny bit but still grumbles about how he still thinks she could be scum.
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Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:29 pm

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Vote count of who we think is scum (Mono, Aero, Jin)

Jin: Vote parked and never left or changed it

Aero: On some hopeless cakez wagon, one that won't go anywhere

Mono: Not voting a single person
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In post 1967, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1960, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1474, Vaxkiller wrote:I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.
I think this post looks town is an exceptionally ballsy move from scum. There's no way Vaxkiller is getting shot night 1, but Vaxkiller as town sees everyone letting mastina go and he feels like all mastina has to do to coast to a win is kill him.
Would you agree scum have a tendency to forget that they can be "NK'd" when faking a townie?
Usually when that comes up is when scum are fakeclaiming PRs, but yeah, it's not something they bring up often unless you're a player who gets killed a lot in general.
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VOTE COUNT 1 . 17
  • Secret Agent Jin ---
    5 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, mastina, Fate, Nachomamma8, Aristophanes, )
    L- 2

    BTD6_MAKER ---------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    TheRealGin-N-Tonic -
    4 ( Secret Agent Jin, Prism, BTD6_MAKER, drealmerz7, Pine )
    L- 3

    Nachomamma8 --------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Fate ---------------
    2 ( SirCakez, Vaxkiller, )
    L- 5

    drealmerz7 ---------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Monokuma -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    mastina ------------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Aeronaut -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Prism --------------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    SirCakez -----------
    1 ( Aeronaut, )
    L- 6

    Vaxkiller ----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Aristophanes -------
    0 ( )
    L- 7


    Not Voting -
    1 ( Monokuma, )

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Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:31 pm

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In post 1969, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Vote count of who we think is scum (Mono, Aero, Jin)

Jin: Vote parked and never left or changed it

Aero: On some hopeless cakez wagon, one that won't go anywhere

Mono: Not voting a single person
In post 1971, camn wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1 . 17
  • Secret Agent Jin ---
    5 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, mastina, Fate, Nachomamma8, Aristophanes, )
    L- 2

    BTD6_MAKER ---------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    TheRealGin-N-Tonic -
    4 ( Secret Agent Jin, Prism, BTD6_MAKER, drealmerz7, Pine )
    L- 3

    Nachomamma8 --------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Fate ---------------
    2 ( SirCakez, Vaxkiller, )
    L- 5

    drealmerz7 ---------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Monokuma -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    mastina ------------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Aeronaut -----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Prism --------------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    SirCakez -----------
    1 ( Aeronaut, )
    L- 6

    Vaxkiller ----------
    0 ( )
    L- 7

    Aristophanes -------
    0 ( )
    L- 7


    Not Voting -
    1 ( Monokuma, )

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Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:32 pm

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Alright, good luck with the rest of the Jam and have fun! :)
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Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:33 pm

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In post 1970, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1967, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1960, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1474, Vaxkiller wrote:I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.
I think this post looks town is an exceptionally ballsy move from scum. There's no way Vaxkiller is getting shot night 1, but Vaxkiller as town sees everyone letting mastina go and he feels like all mastina has to do to coast to a win is kill him.
Would you agree scum have a tendency to forget that they can be "NK'd" when faking a townie?
Usually when that comes up is when scum are fakeclaiming PRs, but yeah, it's not something they bring up often unless you're a player who gets killed a lot in general.
Vax doesn't strike me as a player that is a force kill N1 but blossoms later in the game and could be a threat. Thus, I can totally see a "I'm worried if I die she'll slip away" type deal. Good posting



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