Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Heartless]

I'm not even close to being ready to quibble with that yet

This, Nero.
I'm not dealing with tier placements right now.

[Infinity 324]

You got a point there.

Maybe if people don't switch over in a day or so you can move your vote so we can get a claim before deadline?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not even close to being ready to quibble with that yet

This, Nero.
I'm not dealing with tier placements right now.

yeah I'm not really buying that. Explain why Aero is town.

[Heartless]

So yes, I'd like to know why I was demoted from top tier town and leapfrogged by someone on your null list (Aero) and someone that you were considering moving to null (Piper)

You didn't really read my words that well if you think Aero's in my null list. And Piper didn't show up on my Rogue Team, did he?

[Heartless]

I'm not even close to being ready to quibble with that yet

This, Nero.
I'm not dealing with tier placements right now.

yeah I'm not really buying that. Explain why Aero is town.

My suspicion that you're not reading is confirmed.

[mastina]

They seem to be not super friendly and mainly I'm the one talking to her and not the other way around.

While you're my top townread, you're not someone I naturally ~feel~ the goodvibes with, the synergy. You're town, you're very town, you're someone I think is a good player, but I honestly don't know how I could go about working with you. I think you raise a lot of good points. I think you focus in a lot of the right areas. I think you're strong as an individual player, but I don't know how to collaborate with you. I don't know how to work along side with you. I just feel like. In this dynamic. If I contribute, I'll dominate, overwhelming you, pushing you, with you not being an equal. So instead, you're the one doing the most of the work.

There are players who I've never played with before that I can instantly feel synergy with. There are also players who I know well enough that even if we normally wouldn't, I can manage. And then there are players like Nacho who happen to be both, who I could work with even if I didn't know him, yet because I do it makes working with him all the easier.

Though even there, I'm not quite sure how to work with him here. Something just feels awkward. Not "off", that would imply something about his alignment, but more like...not as it normally would be. Not as naturally as it should be. I don't feel like this is an "off-game" for me. I don't feel like I'm playing like scum as town. (That being, accidentally somehow in my scum meta even as town, rather than deliberately taking elements from my scumgame as town.) I don't feel like I'm in neither my towngame nor my scumgame, either. But I do feel like it's hard to get a grasp on the exact specifics. There's difficulty, because in a sense I suppose I also haven't hit my stride. It doesn't feel natural, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel like I even SHOULD be giving my heart to you right now, so...I'm not, if that makes sense.

[mastina]

"There's a healthy bandwagon a cakez but just let me vote this vanity wagon" -Mastina 2017

Last I checked, there's like three or four other votes on Pine-a-Tonics.

That's not exactly what I'd call a vanity wagon, now, is it?

I was the first vote on Pine, yes. I knew I wouldn't be the only one.
Because, one, Pine had been scummy enough on his own,
And two, people would sheep me there.

Between those, it was--and still is--realistic to push a lynch through there, so.

[Infinity 324]

I know I pointed out how you weren't rambling mastin but these rambly posts are not helping me townread you

Especially the buddying at the beginning

[mastina]

I would expect a player with mastins charisma to push her strongest scumread all the time, no matter her alignment or how many votes are on that player.

^Pretty much this. One vote, ten votes, doesn't matter. I'll vote my largest scumread, unless I have damn good reason to go elsewhere.

And lynching Pine was, and still is, something I can do, and intend to do, so with them as my largest scumread, that's where my vote is.

[Infinity 324]

I hope my desire to correctly identify a strong player as scum is not coloring my read on you mastin

But I really do want you to be town

[Nero Cain]

Last I checked, there's like three or four other votes on Pine-a-Tonics.

this is bullshit. Trying to write off a wagon that has recently grown as a not vanity vote from earlier.

[Infinity 324]

Last I checked, there's like three or four other votes on Pine-a-Tonics.

this is bullshit. Trying to write off a wagon that has recently grown as a not vanity vote from earlier.

I was the first vote on Pine, yes. I knew I wouldn't be the only one.
Because, one, Pine had been scummy enough on his own,
And two, people would sheep me there.

I don't want my mastin push to be associated with this

[mastina]

Kling wagon is meh. Like I know that I said I'd be ok with her as a dl lynch but I kinda feel like her lack of doing anything and being useless is NAI. I mean it

IS

better than a no lynch but it seems like rotten low hanging fruit and there are much better lynches in Thinker or Mastin.

Almost my position, though it's more Klingoncelt is town so lynching her would be bad, the wagon is bad, and it is a pretty blatant counterwagon to Pine-A-Tonics and TheThinker, so.

And speaking of Thinker/Pine. I think Pines "don't lynch him until we can talk to him" is p bad. Like no one knows if he'll even be back before the deadline and I'm not really willing to trust his V'LA status since he's abused that as scum in Princess Bride.

You can always fix this by lynching them!

[mastina]

My paranoia of heartless is at least temporarily gone given TTH's recent posting

Basically, this. Wasn't gonna say it, butyeah.

[Nero Cain]

Last I checked, there's like three or four other votes on Pine-a-Tonics.

this is bullshit. Trying to write off a wagon that has recently grown as a not vanity vote from earlier.

I was the first vote on Pine, yes. I knew I wouldn't be the only one.
Because, one, Pine had been scummy enough on his own,
And two, people would sheep me there.

I don't want my mastin push to be associated with this

I don't get your point.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Quick check-in. Will comment more later.

I skimmed and I liked what Mastina said about the current game state and I think it got that way shortly after the SC wagon picked up steam. I know I've not done anything at all to jumpstart things back to life so this might sound hypocritical coming for me, but, I strongly feel it's best to look back and see why the SC wagon stagnated, who was trying to shift it, and to whom. We might find scum there.

[Infinity 324]

I don't get your point.

Mastin literally said she knew she was the first one to vote pine but justified it anyway.

You said she pretended it wasn't a vanity vote.

???

[Nero Cain]

null line ---> [^SirCakez^, Titus, Indigo,

Aeronaut

, Klingoncelt, Pine-A-Tonics]

null line ---> [Titus, TWIE,

Aeronaut

]

Infinity, Nacho, Desperado, and

Aeronaut

are my choices.

Aeronaut's catch ups still look town to me. He's reacting to mostly important things and the commentary does suggest a genuine reads development.

I mean yeah you started town reading him but he was obviously null from 441-1057. I know this is a star wars game but Jedi mind tricks won't work on me. So you are going to have to EXPLAIN why Aero is one of your top 4 town reads instead of just waving your hand and acting like "his catchups are town" is valid.

[mastina]

{Nero Cain, Desperado, Heartless}
{Drunken Piper, Aeronaut, Titus, SirCakez, Nachomamma8, Aj the Epic}
Null: {Pine, TheWayItEnds}
{Klingoncelt, BBMolla, Lil uzi vert, mastina, The Thinker}

You realize you share half of my scumreads, right? (Molla, Thinker.) And have a third of my scumreads in your null pile (Pine), while having one of MY nulls in your scum pile (LUV)?

And for that matter, aside from SirCakez and maybe Aeronaut, your townreads are literally identical to mine?

This is what I was talking about.
You have good reads. You and I are thinking many of the same things.
Yet you and I don't seem to have the capability to actually work together.

I don't know how to fix that.

[mastina]

Klingon [5] Inf, desp,

cakez, pine

, titus
mastin [1] nero
Pine-A-Tonics [4] mastina, Klingoncelt, Nachomamma8, piper
SirCakez [1] Aj The Epic
Lil Uzi Vert [1] heartless
Aj The Epic [1]

BBmolla

The Thinker [2] TheWayItEnds, Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting - [2]

Aeronaut

,

The Thinker

Basically, the whole Pine wagon is town.
The Klingoncelt wagon has two scum on it.
The Thinker wagon was strongly town, but has weakened. The SirCakez wagon was also town, but has disintegrated.
There's scum in the remnants of the AJ wagon (Molla), and scum not taking a stance anywhere. (The Thinker/Aero, stronger on TheThinker.)

[Infinity 324]

In terms of working together mastin, just answer the questions I ask you, and then ask me questions back. It doesn't seem that difficult to me, but maybe I'm just not understanding the situation properly.

[Infinity 324]

Klingon [5] Inf, desp,

cakez, pine

, titus
mastin [1] nero
Pine-A-Tonics [4] mastina, Klingoncelt, Nachomamma8, piper
SirCakez [1] Aj The Epic
Lil Uzi Vert [1] heartless
Aj The Epic [1]

BBmolla

The Thinker [2] TheWayItEnds, Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting - [2]

Aeronaut

,

The Thinker

Basically, the whole Pine wagon is town.
The Klingoncelt wagon has two scum on it.
The Thinker wagon was strongly town, but has weakened. The SirCakez wagon was also town, but has disintegrated.
There's scum in the remnants of the AJ wagon (Molla), and scum not taking a stance anywhere. (The Thinker/Aero, stronger on TheThinker.)

Very interesting, our reads differences, although small, happen to lead us to opposite conclusions about the alignments of the 2 top wagons. Because I townread cakez and nullread pine, making the kling wagon mostly town. And I scumread you and klingon, making the pine wagon scummy.

[mastina]

^ that is what I mean by rambling

Well yes it was a ramble, but that's far from my first in the game. I've done plenty of it. That post was a classical ramble which could be viewed as nothing but a ramble. Unambiguously, with no other thing, that was a ramble, yet I've done other rambles in the game prior to that point, just less obviously so. Less words, but still rambles.

Things which were off-topic, and sometimes incoherent. That's what I basically mean when I mean ramble: something which tries to make a point, but can't make it effectively. The art of translating concepts into language. My first language isn't English; it's concepts. I think in concepts. I then have to translate said concept into English, and often the meaning I'm aiming for is lost. I've gotten at least okay at explaining this, mainly by repetition, but that's more or less the way my mind works, especially as town, and what I mean when I say that I ramble. I try to say something, I try to talk, with intention of it being something, but what that something is, it's not always exactly the clearest.

I have intent. Always, intent. There's always a plan. There's always some sort of goal I want to achieve, it's just a matter of whether I actually come close to accomplishing it.

[Nero Cain]

I don't get your point.

Mastin literally said she knew she was the first one to vote pine but justified it anyway.

You said she pretended it wasn't a vanity vote.

???

I mean there was a 5 man wagon on SC. She came in and was all like "lets vote Pine!" Essentially all wagons do start out as vanity wagons. She's saying that her vote on Pine was

NOT

a vanity vote since she's now being sheeped and I'm just not the biggest fan of the explanation.

Like you just got done calling my Mastin vote vanity but according to her logic if I start getting traction then its not a vanity vote.

[Nero Cain]

vote Desp for RL