In Memory

[drealmerz7]

I mean you can, but, shiiiit, why MEMEME?!??!

I just feel like I get attention drawn to me because I'm more vocal

maybe I should go lurk like KC and kuroi and let you all have less people playing the game

[drealmerz7]

because I'm not going to vote a slot based on D1 of the previous owner of the slot, that seems reckless

I totally see it as scummy from vedith on D1, absolutely no doubt, but, my experience with vedith doesn't make that damning IN THE SLIGHTEST, he plays pretty fucking scummy as town

the kind of player who probably prefer to live to the end-game and lose rather than die early and win - a selfish player who was likely positioning himself to best suit himself in the long run - I can see him doing that as scum or town, but that is just from the limited exposure I have of him, I have to keep that in mind

it's not damning or excusable, its simply a base to go from, and from there, is why it turns to vax, he's that slot now and has produced MUCH MORE content than vedith did

[drealmerz7]

how many completed games you have with vedith?

[drealmerz7]

funnyman, JR!!

I'd like the 2nd option 2, please!

[drealmerz7]

1.) I don't feel like giving potential scum a pass because they always look scummy as town is good play.
2.) I feel as though you're just not trying to actually sort the slot because it's lynchbait at best, which is a very lazy read.
3.) Could be none, could be a handful? My case isn't meta-based though so it's a moot point.

1.) I ABSOLUTELY AGREE and would push a PL on players like that if I had my way - I'm not giving it a pass, I'm saying I can't form a read on it with any confidence of accuracy based on previous history with vedith.

2.) No, I feel like I went back to sort the slot because I was leaning ok with a vax lynch, decided to investigate it further, and realized I was seeing the same sort of stuff as I did in Ttyll (this is not a meta-comparison) and started to see him as totally town because of it - also because I can see why other people are viewing him scummy, and I saw the same shit in Ttyll, people are SRing him for the same sort of poop-pushes he was getting SR for in Ttyll, I can't ignore that.

3.) no, the point is I was hoping you had more experience with him than I did to be able to tell me about his scumgame and how it compares to his towngame (if at all)

[drealmerz7]

no it doesn't strike me as similar, actually quite different, that's pretty interesting and gives me more confidence in vax as town

[drealmerz7]

The only part of 1) that is far fetched is scum intentionally vanillizing Lycan.

why is that far-fetched? that seems the most reasonable to me!!!!

this is where you get the most scumpings, btw!!!!

you are searching for any reason to paint me scum for that kill, you seem desperate to have me viewed as scum for that kill, rather than what makes sense

WHY ON EARTH WOULD I OUT THE KILL?!?!?!?!?

[drealmerz7]

wait...let me guess

for the WIFOM!

*slams head*

[drealmerz7]

says the it not even playing the game at all

[drealmerz7]

not at all!

I initially typed "guy" and then my brain corrected me because I try to be considerate of that sort of thing

[drealmerz7]

rather I try to be conscious of those things

I am considerate, that's what the use of the it was

[drealmerz7]

well excsuse me if I'm not all cuddly after outting my kill and then getting a shitstorm afterwards

[drealmerz7]

hey! don't underestimate my scumbilities!

[drealmerz7]

maybe we just lynch GE or zefiend

or creature - last thing I want is to get burnt by the sun because take for granted that it is just always lurking up there

[drealmerz7]

The Sun seems so warm and harmless


BUURRRRRN

[drealmerz7]

I agree on boring but RM was so obviscum that the wagon is pretty useless (open to hearing different view)

[drealmerz7]

cept the fucking ppl off of the wagon...probably should lynch there

do you think janitor was self-janitor only or had option to clean other kills?

[drealmerz7]

I ask because of how much scum would want to keep their janitor alive - if it was self-clean only, it makes no sense to not just hammer faster? if they could clean other kills, scum would be more likley to want to keep them alive

[drealmerz7]

see, now I can get involved in the game

ahhh, this feels good

[drealmerz7]

omg KC too, yes

that is good lynch pool

lurking scum bound to just be sitting back while we stew on all this shittttttt

[drealmerz7]

I will never vote a TR

[drealmerz7]

or a townlean, rather, not even a solid read

I have a very internal meter that tells me where my comforts are, it's nice

ohnonono, definitely not suggesting no-lynch

[drealmerz7]

I just won't compromise on a TR/strong townlean

I won't vote:

JR, postie, vax - yeah that's pretty much it...wow that's totally fucked for D3

prefer to lynch within:

zefiend, GE, kuroi, creature, KC

kind of prefer not zefiend though because he's actually giving content and could just be tunneled desperatebadtown?

[drealmerz7]

if you'd all be down for the DEO I'd be too, obviously, but, not going to push that

[drealmerz7]

it's not a horrible reason to keep him alive then? I just am already worrying about the participation level in this game , but yeah, if we think he's scum he should be killed anyway

but yes, he is in my list of okaytolynch, just expressing the thoughts

[drealmerz7]

it's looking like gamma then?

I'ma go ahead and move there, no rush though

VOTE: gamma emerald

[drealmerz7]

we're going to have to get past The DEO's stubborness and work together

who do we think they're okay with? do they even have it straight between themselves?

[drealmerz7]

they don't know where I stand on things, but, at this point I'm not sure where they stand on much either

[drealmerz7]

*hug JR*

[drealmerz7]

I'm trying to imagine a D3 where I didn't out myself...

[drealmerz7]

or you're scum

with FA

and...creature!

yep

or KC

yep

*shrug*

that's how fucking WHOTHEFUCKKNOWS this game is though

it's whack

[drealmerz7]

smith is nulltown for me btw

[drealmerz7]

which is saying something because most everyone else is just null>scumlean with not a lot of confidence anywhere

[drealmerz7]

nah, it wasn't me postie

I didn't actually have a kill use on N3

[drealmerz7]

O really? So when do you have kills?

~Titus

I'm sure you'd like to know. What, thought I was going to kill kuroi last night so you also killed him hoping to put the frame on me today?

[drealmerz7]

pretty sure that is a bus by The DEO on vax

also makes sense why the simplest solution of vanillaizer wasn't acceptable to them and we went on that wild-goose-chase of "what could it be?!" at their persistence

I'm actually ready to vote there unless someone wants to tell me why I shouldn't

[drealmerz7]

you will never leash me as a vig. ever

give it up, forever

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: The DEO

[drealmerz7]

zef is my 2nd choice after The DEO, let's sort all of that toDay one way or the other

[drealmerz7]

Well then I guess we are lynching you as an SK.

Seems more likely you tried to shoot Postie or some other obvtown.

Zef and mhsmith are where I want to rope but I want a plan for dealing with Drealmerz. Dude is a loose cannon at best.

you are completely reckless with your play - waaayyyyyyyyyyyyy more damaging than I am with my ability

you need to go sooner than I ever would, that is for certain

keep trying to push ANY AGENDA YOU CAN FIND on me, you must REALLY fear my shot coming at you - you should...

[drealmerz7]

and you're not even talking to me, The DEO, yeahhhhh

you're so fucking scum

[drealmerz7]

if you're town you're a much bigger liability than I am

but you're not town...

[drealmerz7]

you're not obvious town, get over yourself

I wasn't pressured for an explanation, WHAT THE FUCK? HOW DO YOU EVEN SAY SUCH SHIT?!?! (oh because you have 2 heads to come along and contridict yourself so you can't be held accountable for your shit)

HOW CAN NO ONE SEE THIS SCUMNESS?!?!? way to misrep, scum, painting your shit!!!!

you are the one who ASSUMED I could shoot, that's your fucking problem

WHY IS THE DEO NOT SCUM, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT JR, TELL ME WHY?!

[drealmerz7]

keep on fear-mongering, scum

JR, I didn't ignore you, I simply couldn't see it, just as I'm still not seeing the DEO hard TR - like at all

[drealmerz7]

it does make me consider asking for suggestions, since I have been wrong on SS, lycan, and vax - but I would only listen to postie at this point, and certainly not The DEO

[drealmerz7]

fuck off with that noob shit, you know I'm not a noob, yet you keep trying to talk down to me like I am

I'm not REFUSING to work with anyone, I'm refusing to just say "okay leash me master, shitscum"

[drealmerz7]

I refuse to be BULLIED

SO FUCK OFF

[drealmerz7]

and that is really what you are around here, a big fucking bully, the both of you

[drealmerz7]

I don't give a fuck what the site meta is

this site has a bunch of fuckedness about it that could do better to change, and that is a huge one

do you generally let fear rule you in your games?

JR, THAT IS YOUR FUCKING TOWNBLOCK, NOT MINE, WTF!!!!

[drealmerz7]

oh, and by the way

TOWNBLOCKS ARE FUCKING STUPID

just like THREAD-MASONS

[drealmerz7]

wrong

[drealmerz7]

any skilled scum can infiltrate said "townblock"

it's poor play, irresponsible

[drealmerz7]

naive

[drealmerz7]

that's a horrible "townblock" imo

creature has been MIA and fishy as fuck, GE while apparently NAI for his absence, still doesn't get anywhere close to a TR for me, muchless such an assured one to become a "townblockee"

I have no interest in shooting you or postie

[drealmerz7]

so your don't shoot these block is different than your townblock? can you explain how? I would think they'd be pretty much the same?

[drealmerz7]

WHAT

THE

FUCK

The DEO REFUSES to even consider anything I say as possible

how am I not supposed to want to shoot that?

[drealmerz7]

DEO, you think the PT smith and I have is just our scumchat then?

[drealmerz7]

DEO, you think the PT smith and I have is just our scumchat then?

Yes.

~~Math

and we're talking about it and whatnot because...??????

it's a "loss neighborhood" btw - for those who died an early death

not that you fucking care to ask a single fucking thing about it actually make a real judgement

you're just set on your agenda

[drealmerz7]

uhhhhhhhh,....more misrep of the obvious

the point of that post is you not considering anything I say as even possible

holyfuck I can't believe you all want to let this live

[drealmerz7]

I forget how horrible of a player MB is

that slot could actually be town, I suppose

[drealmerz7]

ohmygoodness, FA, I'm glad you have the calmness of mind to ask the questions

to me my brain is just screaming OMG THEY'RE SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMM with ALLL of the shit (so much) through the game

[drealmerz7]

not...

buying...

it...

[drealmerz7]

you bused RM and now you oopsie-hammered the next scumbuddy

you think you are going to deep-wolf with those "clears", but you are not fooling me

[drealmerz7]

you bused RM and now you oopsie-hammered the next scumbuddy

I don't know about Math but Titus never busses.

do they ever oopsie-hammer?

[drealmerz7]

and I say that half-sarcastically because, I agree with alisae, that "never does" shit is fucking bogussssssss

[drealmerz7]

was MB or titus more responsible for the initial RM push? no time to go dig myself...

[drealmerz7]

I'm never going to intentionally shoot down (I AM town vig+...)

at this juncture I'm simply leaning KC with my next shot if/when I have one

but it's an early juncture and we have the whole Day ahead of us

[drealmerz7]

I'm not worried about your vote on me as much as I am in finding scum

you do what you like, you play how you play, and I will do the same

hopefully we'll find some jive at some point (we have before)

do you at least understand my suspicion on you?

[drealmerz7]

ummm, no, it has nothing to do with you "suspecting" me, it has to do with me feeling like it's very possible had an agenda on me since the beginning - threadmasons through to the re-invigorated SS wagon to my lycan kill and where you went with that (off the deepend trying to implicate me in a bad way), and here we are now, I still feel like youre pushing pushing pushing trying to do everything you can to get ppl to view me as scum, when I'm not sure why you even do

and now YOUR behavior seems to ME like self-preservation, you're afraid to be shot by me

[drealmerz7]

does me being a free-vig make sense with what else you know about the setup? (instead of some stipulative-vig?)

[drealmerz7]

EXACTLY MY POINT

I was arguing that I was a free-vig, I was trying to make you rub 2 sticks together to realize that it makes sense that I'm NOT A FREE VIG

geebus

[drealmerz7]

it would make no sense to have a free-vig in this game

is that clearer for you?!??!?!?!

holyfuck, you can't make things this difficult by accident, can you?

[drealmerz7]

yeahhhh

I didn't even remember that, but, sure, use it to make your shit case, as it appears you've been consciously building for a while

seriously, if you're town, stop sucking so horribly, please


WHY DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE?>!@?!?!?!?!??!?

oh, because it serves your shit theory

[drealmerz7]

An SK or you being scum makes more sense than a free vig which makes more sense than a conditional.

~~Math

saying the thing doesn't make the thing true

why do you think that?

[drealmerz7]

I don't even know what that means

you can't say without being anti-town? so you have something to say but you're holding it back because it makes you look bad? I'm JUST asking

WHY doesn't it make sense?

[drealmerz7]

why would I share my conditions? that would just help scum plan for them, I already fucking telegraphed my 1st kill and it caused a fuck-storm because scum was aware

in what world should I feel comfortable telling more? the only reason I can think that you'd want to know is if you're scum trying to plan

otherwise, just let me fucking do my thing, K?

it's also conditional because I'm not just vig...

smith, there's either 2 groupscum left or 1GS+3p

[drealmerz7]

ok

fuck

I'm a 3x vig, but I'm only allowed to make 2 kills and I can only kill on even Nights - I have used 1shot, and made 1kill (confirmed by mod that I have only 1 kill remaining), meaning if I make a 2ndshot and succeed in the kill, I don't get a 3rd shot

I'm also D2 lynchproof

I'm Harry Houdini

[drealmerz7]

and now I'm in grrr mode

[drealmerz7]

postie is really the only one here I'm comfortable giving an actual TR to

JR comes close but I see potential to be wrong

pedit - yeah so after I confessed to smith in our hood that I did the lycan kill, he made a comment that caught my interest but I didn't dig it (because: rolefishing), now it makes sense

ppedit - and yep, I used the term conditional because I didn't want to give fuller details until I was ready

[drealmerz7]

well, if you're scum, I'm going to be really fucking pissed with myself for letting you get the claim out of me, and you're never going to get another in any future game, ever, unless you get me to L-1, sooo...

*deep breath*

*focuses elsewhere*

hmmm, where is FA?
creature, say something
KC, you're scum, eh?

[drealmerz7]

eh, I tend to play really fucking paranoid, I'll grant that

and this game is whacked, hard TRs and hard SRs are almost non-existent at this point for me and that is disconcerting and has me spinning a bit

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: klingoncelt

[drealmerz7]

not if we just lynch them

I mean, that is unacceptable participation at this point

[drealmerz7]

KC your lack of participation goes well beyond "inauguration friday"

[drealmerz7]

any of you know the movie "brazil" ?

[drealmerz7]

it's an amazing film, one of the best of all time

it's about...well you should just watch it...

the relevance is supreme

[drealmerz7]

paperwork, government, bureaucracy

[drealmerz7]

as long as it wasn't a fortnight

[drealmerz7]

america is a super-continent made up of:

north america (canada + the united states)

central america (mexico to panama...fuck, is it panama? it's been way too long since I did the learnings)

south america (venezuala/brazil/chile/argentina/uruguay/paraguay, who am I missing? Peru, what else?)

Was asked to fix spelling :p

[drealmerz7]

Bolivia

[drealmerz7]

is that a claim?

[drealmerz7]

Yes it is.

haha!

I meant the "Annie" postholder before the edit!

[drealmerz7]

pidgeons smidgeons! (just kidding, they sound lovely!)

I've been to Ecuador...my brain is definetly over-stressed under-rested, couldn't fucking think, I knew I was forgetting some (and Columbia, right next to it!, derrrr COLUMBIA)

anyway

I think it is safe to say that you all should watch BRAZIL because that was an interesting coincidence that it came up twice and IT IS A GREAT MOVIE

[drealmerz7]

WIFOM is the best content to analyze, imo

[drealmerz7]

to me it is the meat of the game, the best of the best

wifom arguments are what I yearn for but everyone balks at here

do you KNOW where the fucking term COMES from?! if you do, go into context in that movie

it is a battle of the WITS, the best WITS!

"socrates, aristotle?!"

"MORONS!"

it's GLORIOUS mental-battling

ohmy, no wonder most people don't like it, actually

[drealmerz7]

it becomes mental-strategic-maneuvering of folds and folds of complexity and dynamics and associations all rolled into one glorious beast of a game and it is up to town to parse the poisoned wine from the pure

or view it like GENERALS IN BATTLE

or MASTERS OF CHESS

depths of moves to maneuver and anticipate and position for and against

[drealmerz7]

me?

no post restriction, no crumbing

though I do once in a great while drop the tiniest of crumbs

I did way early in this game, actually!

[drealmerz7]

you mean double-spaced?

*shrug*

sometimes I just type like that, have I not done it yet this game?

[drealmerz7]

I took a little hit of weed I'd been saving?

[drealmerz7]

I am on scraps

[drealmerz7]

Terry Gilliam wrote it - that's good enough for me!

Yep, he's one of the best! WROTE+DIRECTED it! That is major important!!

and it is his best!!!!

[drealmerz7]

Prodge. Have a nasty case of the flu. I'll get to this if I feel better tonight.

fire cider!

[drealmerz7]

oh smith! you speak my language!!!

pbcookies are THE BEST (I make some killllllers)

snickerdoodles are m 2nd favorite!!!!

I've always been kind of "meh" about chocolate, and so chocolate chip cookies never did much for me, BUT

ACTUALLY, I do have a recipe for them that even I can't resist, it's quite something, for me, having never really cared for him

NOMNOMNOM

[drealmerz7]

and I'm JUST talking about cookies here

no cookie "crumbing"

[drealmerz7]

I seriously am thinking about going to bake cookies right now

[drealmerz7]

omg whatever you do don't put him to L-1 because I might be tempted to

YOLO HAMMMER HIS FUCKING FACE IN

no, really, I wouldn't

BUT OMG it'd be SO TEMPTING

he did it to me in Ircher's Voting Mafia game faster than any fucking shit you've ever seen almost

in a game where the voting mechanics weren't really clear to a lot of people AND, the mod changed that votes weren't getting reset between dawn/Day start and people had their what they thought were "meaningless Dawn" votes cast on me and BAM

I'M DEAD

like, 2nd page was it, zefiend?

my role was kind of key to the game too...ohman, I WISH I was SRing zefiend harder

[drealmerz7]

site meta = obsessed with hoods in games!

[drealmerz7]

you sure they weren't counting on you remembering the cookies? whatever the fuck that means I don't even know so...

[drealmerz7]

how about them eagles?

[drealmerz7]

Look at us baby, up all night
Tearing our love apart
Aren't we the same two people who live
Through years in the dark?
Ahh...
Every time I try to walk away
Something makes me turn around and stay
And I can't tell you why

When we get crazy,
It just ain't too right,
(Try to keep you head, little girl)
Girl, I get lonely, too
You don't have to worry
Just hold on tight
(Don't get caught in your little world)
'Cause I love you
Nothing's wrong as far as I can see
We make it harder than it has to be
And I can't tell you why
No, baby, I can't tell you why
I can't tell you why
No, no, baby, I can't tell you why
I can't tell you why
I can't tell you why

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: The DEO

[drealmerz7]

yeah, you are solved:

SCUM!!!

that's what all of that boils down to

[drealmerz7]

it was coming, and I saw more of it coming...and I voted...and then more came!

suikoden powers!

[drealmerz7]

maybe mathblade is town....

and titus is scum...

[drealmerz7]

oh so you're a traitor, DEO?

[drealmerz7]

or do you switch alignments dependingon the fucking DAY?!

[drealmerz7]

making shit up

[drealmerz7]

FA, think about the lycanfire, treestump, whateverelseawhateverfuck goose-chase that was
my read is DEO KNEW there was vanillaizer and was trying to get every possibility considered and accepted EXCEPT that one
they have been making shit up the whole game
wahtever neighborhood thread they are apart of is a web of lies

I keep getting convinced off of that slot because "EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS BETTER"...fuck no...I feel good about that vote WAY BETTER than ANY OTHER VOTE at this point

[drealmerz7]

you mean you're sorry you tipped your hand so much AGAIN

ugh, anyway, I gotta go to bed

if no one listen to me about you...well, it's nothing new!

hey wait maybe I can get zefiend on board, is he already on board?

GOGO 2 LEAST-TRACTIONHAVING PLAYERS ON THE DEO LYNCH GOOO!!!

[drealmerz7]

oh wait alisae might have less traction

ALISAE WHAT DO YOU SAY?!

THE WEAK OVERTAKE THE STRONG?!?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

oooo a tasty wifom snack right before bed

I hope it doesn't GIVE ME NIGHTMARES

[drealmerz7]

bout 4am, I'm off...

[drealmerz7]

that was absolutely clear, I don't know how that wasn't clear...except the deo trying to make it seem unclear

[drealmerz7]

Was I replaced?

pings from the creature!

and okay The DEO, whatever you say
uh huh, okay...all right then...okay...sure...uh huh...okay...you got it...

is that better?

[drealmerz7]

We should vig

wow you have a vig. shot?!

I didn't know that

[drealmerz7]

and holy fuck, deo, you've been spouting so much shit

[drealmerz7]

uhhh, no, that's you alisae

[drealmerz7]

you don't get lynched because scum wants to keep you around to muck up the game, duh

just skimming

off to watch something/fall asleep

[drealmerz7]

they are the only 3 you think could POSSIBLY be scum? really?

[drealmerz7]

that's not what I asked

the way you phrase it is you are quite sure that smith and zefiend are scum - and that you will be surprised if not, BUT, if not, then the DEO HAS to be the last scum, and you see no possibility for anything else - at least that is what how phrasing conveys to me, if it is not what you meant, you should probably try to be more careful with your words

[drealmerz7]

yeahhh....quite comfortable with the likelihood at that the deo is scum at this point

if that wasn't obvious, and even if it was, it warrants repeating

[drealmerz7]

I think both titus and mathblade exploit having an established history of interactions with the majority of you

it's serving them very well

I'm not being fooled

[drealmerz7]

?

I am not sure I follow what you just said...I thought you had had it straight though, but, just to be sure

I pretty much telegraphed that I was going to kill lycan before killing lycan, I can go find the post if you really want me to

I claimed it just a little bit into the Day right after his death

[drealmerz7]

it wasn't a crumb

let me find the post

I do think it likely that scum would be confident in me making that kill and doing a kill somewhere else meanwhile vanillaizing lycan to make me look bad - pedit note: yes, if scum is in the hood with me that could be something but I don't acttually think I hinted at or said more about the kill in the hood before it happened, not sure, I'd have to look--

that really sounds the most likely possibility to me

so yeah, let me find the post, it is toward the end of D2 because I killed him N2...

P-edit note added above^

additional note: as noted previously, before I knew there were multiple hoods in the game (right at the beginning of the game, when first getting into the hood) I kept getting that possibility hit my brain that "there could be someone in this hood that hasn't been communicating and is just watching" (that is LESS likely now with all of the hoods, but not a complete impossibility for sure), remember I asked about other hoods having a list of players listed at the beginning of the hood PTs?

[drealmerz7]

yeahhh....quite comfortable with the likelihood at that the deo is scum at this point

if that wasn't obvious, and even if it was, it warrants repeating

Are you so insistent on shooting us that we need to claim Drealmerz?

ohno, certainly not, I just want you lynched

we will see how the Day goes as well, I would never decide on a kill-decision like that so prematurely (before the Day is halfway over / there are no heavy wagons, we're not "through" the Day, essentially)

[drealmerz7]

how about this:

if you can pick who you can privately communicate with or whatever is going on, tell me why you didn't pick me when we were "thread masons" so hard for a while, and, if able (no need to claim or talk about the ability, ie no need to respond to this if you don't feel it healthy for the gamestate) why not do it to me today, or if you don't get lynched, tonight, whenever you can IF you can (again, no need to say if you can't...), and try and talk to me on a more private level and see how we do there / convince me that way somehow?

[drealmerz7]

lynched instead of vigged:

it's a matter of a few things: 1) the lynch is here now and the most effective way to kill you asap so you stop shitting up the thread with all of your scumshit (to put it simply, mind you) 2.) I do realize I could be wayy wrong on you and that others arguments for you being town are a possibility (but like I said, my ultimate read is that you're fooling them), and 3.) my shots are limited so a.) if I am wrong, fuck, that sucks and b.) if there is a protector role and they believe you I'm wasting a shot and c.) if you are removed by lynch as is my first desire and are actually somehow town then I still have my shot for remaining chance to hit scum (which again goes back to a.) wasted shot on the wrong shot = "fuck" for all the reasons

[drealmerz7]

ultimately simply

lynching my top SR is always the #1 thing to do

and that is you

[drealmerz7]

I do understand, since aeronaut's game as well, but you must have seen yourself in me there, right? the stubborn deathtunnel

and, hey, Iiiii ultimately made the right choice there anyway, so...

[drealmerz7]

and okay, since I understand how the chaining works, I understand. so your cleargood feels dropped after the KTS flip and you didn't want to target me that night, or, I wasn't your top TR then even if SS/KTS had flipped scum?

[drealmerz7]

my solid scum-read of lycan - at this point I'm so sure he's scum and sick of his scumshit :

lycan, you are terrible at being scum, stop trying, you're getting lynched tomorrow

you want me lynched? the claimed delayed death? nice promotion of a ml. why aren't you calling for me to be vigged? do you think there won't be a night tonight?

ok fuck dealing with this guy and getting him lynched tomorrow, I'm sure he's scum, I'm killing hard scumread and so:

maybe I'm the vig?

that's a threat of death from me ^^ (added to the lynch death-threat that he took issue with)

then he says "what if I'm the vig." and that seals it, 1.) he's already claimed and he didn't claim vig. that means death to me! 2.) I'm the vig! at least even-Night, and the way he said 'what I'f I'm the vig.' made me think it was an equal threat to kill me, and if he is scum and believes me to be vig., then it's likely he does want me dead

I killed him for so many reasons hehe, what a scumfuck, even if he flipped town

[drealmerz7]

wait what?

drealm is in a hood?!

you clearly aren't paying full attention

smith and I are in a hood

we outted it early in the Day, wait was that today or yesterday? I don't even remember...this fucking game...

jaereed confirmed us, essentially

[drealmerz7]

not unless there can be a double kill

mod confirmed to me that my kill was the kill on him

[drealmerz7]

I swear, it hurts my fucking head

to be going back over this shit

[drealmerz7]

seriously, HURTS MY FUCKING HEAD

WE'VE ESTABLISHED THIS AND YOU JUST DIDN'T READ IT OR ARE JERKING US AROUND WITH SHIT

ugh, ok, so

it was in my PM at the start of thegame, we have a common flavor-thing in that we were both "tragic losses" (died early and were "notable" people) sort of thing

so it's both of our flavor...obviously

[drealmerz7]

at first it was deimos and he was barely there and I was like "ummm wtf is going on in this vacant hood?!?!"

[drealmerz7]

I revealed it I forget when it is not realyl my fault you weren't paying attention/missed it I can try and dig it up but I don't remember when it was

wait I can look at the timestamp in the hood because I asked smith what he thought about outting it close to then and that is easier to find waywayywayyy somuch

[drealmerz7]

go here

[drealmerz7]

you do realize to me that reads:

"okay now I'm at least partially caught up from page 110+ or whatever it was I wonder what else I could have missed"

and makes me have like zero confidence in your ability to gamesolve at this point

at least this game in this game state

I have to consider the likelihood that you are scum just mucking things around, you realize

[drealmerz7]

don't call yourself conftown - you're not unless I missed something

I don't think he's claimed to me in the hood really (slight hinting at some things?), I will look when I said what to him...

okay, first post in the hood for me at start of game I say that sometimes the good die young and that I was one of the best - totally ambiguous and we are both aware it is an early loss neighborhood by way of the role PM (well, I was made aware, so I make the safe figuring that he was)

nothing is said at all about roles and then I announce the thread that I kill lycan smith comments in hood about that revealing a little about his role in re: to that and I don't comment or anything because he willingly shared it with me after I shared about the kill - it gave me a very strong townping for smith at that point and I have had a good townlean on him since, btw (way back I said something about being pretty sure smith was town, this was why, I don't think he'd have said anything to me at the time I outted me killing if he were scum)

I told him I was limited shot but in what capacity I wasn't going to reveal further, which he was cool with

I ask him if he thinks with whatever ability he had if he would have been notified or "seen" that 2 parties tried to lycan or not if scum also targeted lycan, he says he doubts it (actually not sure if we were on the same page here, he might have thought I was asking him if he could "see" scum also killing lycan, as in, in his head, theoretically, rather than with the actual ability[which I'm not even exactly sure what it was]? FUCK..english language)

then I finaly ask him what exactly he saw with lycan (I was pretending to suspect him al ittle here and put on the heat, wondering if perhaps he was scum who was wondering what happened that Night with the lycan kill and whatever else, his responses felt fine even when I pressed him a bit) - he is clearly too busy to play and not focused on the game

okay so

he asks me to flavor claim to him because of things he's been thinking about, on the same evening that I out the hood to the chat (right before it, like 45 mins before), also says if I don't want to flavor claim that is fine but that he'd like to ask a question regardless:

I tell him I have no problem tell him I'm harry houdini, that is all and that is all that matters to him

he had a flavor theory about alignments but was pretty sure it wasn't solid but used me as another factor to see if there was anything to it - I didn't feel like he was being shady about any of this at all and on the reread still don't

yeah that's it in regards to rolestuff/claiming stuff

we've had some good back and forth in there though and I feel like he's town from it all definitely

[drealmerz7]

call yourself whatever your want but you're deluding yourself

[drealmerz7]

FA, I seriously can't understand half the shit you say sometimes and it is hard to figure out and maybe you could try a little harder to be articulate that would be great.

you're asking me questions but I can't even fucking follow them because of how you are - I know my mind-state isn't the best right now, but seriously, do you read the shit you type sometimes before entering it?

[drealmerz7]

and can you please learn the difference between "your' and "you're" - like, this is a game of communication, when I am reading and in the flow, well, your poststyle sucks and I get "caught up" as it is to begin with, but when you fucking misuse words all of the time it makes it even harder to figure out wtf YOU'RE saying

[drealmerz7]

wait so he knew you were shooting lycan and checked him? You said he got a townread on you cause he got the feeling you were going to shoot lycan? This doesn't add up. why would he check someone who was going to die and he knew that already?

what? isntead of quoting the whole quote, how about you quote the part you are confused about

where did I say he got a TR on me because he got the feeling I was going to shoot lycan???? I can't even follow you...

you've GOT TO be scum just fucking everything around or seriously you need to work on your reading comprehension

[drealmerz7]

and why the fuck are we rehashing shit that hsould have been covered AGES AGO!?!?!?

WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!

PAY ATTENTION TO THE FUCKING GAME OR REPLACE OUT

OH WAIT, YOU'RE SCUM...VOTE: frozen angel

[drealmerz7]

I told him I was limited shot but in what capacity I wasn't going to reveal further, which he was cool with

what did you tell him exactly? can you prarphrase the exact way you said this?

THAT IS THE FUCKING PARAPHRASE WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I DID WHAT I DID, FOR MY OWN FUCKING HEALTH? NO, IT WAS FOR YOU

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR MALFUNCTION??

oh, you're scum...

[drealmerz7]

... talking about how I felt really dumb about wasting a role cop shot on someone scum killed anyway and then feeling less dumb after hearing that it was a vig shot (I'm presuming this was what drealz meant about being a town ping).

yep, this

[drealmerz7]

What's it like to live the life of drealmerz?

hard but rewarding

[drealmerz7]

over 50% of the people from my HS don't have english as a first language

I never have issues

I think she doesn't try, it's not about it being her second language and all about how she forms sentences and uses words - if you can't see that there's a difference and that "english not being the first language" isn't the issue, I'm sorry

[drealmerz7]

I seriously have to take like 3 times as long with her posts to try and fucking understand what she is saying, no one else has this issue?

[drealmerz7]

it's obviously nothing personal

I am having trouble communicating

I'm trying to work on communicating better, to do that I need to express what my issues are

wahhhwahhhwahhhh that I'm not coddling about it

[drealmerz7]

Please use proper capitalization in your posts. The all caps doesn't make me believe you more or less and is just annoying to read. All you are doing is shouting someone is scum ad nauseum when if you are an SK then everyone is scum to you. If you are going to start correcting people's grammar, I am going to correct yours.

~~Math

oh fuck off seriously

YOU ARE TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT

I AM TRYING TO INCREASE EFFECTIVENESS OF COMMUNICATION

[drealmerz7]

I seriously have to take like 3 times as long with her posts to try and fucking understand what she is saying, no one else has this issue?

I have worked with people from another country before and have English as a second language.

Grammar is not alignment indicative and pointing out mistakes during the game only serves to make someone feel shitty. Stop it.

~~Math

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE FUCK I'M DOING

LEARN TO FUCKING READ

I AM HAVING ISSUES WITH THEIR POSTS

I SAID SOMETHING

YOU ARE BEING A SCUMFUCK TWISTING INTO THIS SHIT

[drealmerz7]

how about you let FA and I work it out and stay the fuck out of it, eh?

[drealmerz7]

well it's REALLY FUCKING FRUSTRATING TO BE GOING OVER SHIT THAT HAPPENED AGES AGO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T FUCKING READ, YA KNOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

it's content

are they being a shit-communicator because they're scum trying to be difficult? I don't fucking know but I'm tired of it and I'm pushing them about it and addressing it

[drealmerz7]

you think playing mafia for so many years your ability to articulate the english language would be a bit better, is all

it's not a fucking insult, it's how it fucking is

get your fucking egos out of it

[drealmerz7]

we seriously have spend 50 fucking pages or so hashing the mechanics of all the Night-shit (well, you all have) and one of the main people involved isn't even up on all the information, even though they appear so confident to know what the fuck they are talking about and how to go about it all

it's fucking ridiculous, and being pissed is absolutely valid

[drealmerz7]

like

she is wasting everyone's fucking time and energy

why aren't YOU FUCKING MORE PISSED??!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

you're changing the issue

I only bring up the use of language because I am having trouble communicating with them, not because I have an issue with grammar

believe me, I've played with pisskop and not had the issues be this bad

[drealmerz7]

it's about being able to comprehend what the fuck she is saying, what questions she is asking me, me understanding what she understands based on the things she says, and now I just feel like at a complete loss

it has become a big enough obstacle in the game that I need to address it, it has been an obstacle, and I've been dealing with it and being patient, but now it's affecting MY ABILITY to play this game effectively

what else has she missed? like, she's either a useless town slot at this point because she hasn't been paying attention to the game-state and is completely lost, or she's scum fucking with all of this shit on purpose

either way, she can die, imo

[drealmerz7]

It was already announced, Math.

like

how am I not supposed to rage that we're wasting time with this shit?

how am I supposed to pick out scum-tactics from bumbling townies?

get on your game, people

[drealmerz7]

FA is scum because I don't think they are actually this incompetant of a player and are using the "whoopsies" as a way to shittify the thread, make us run in circles, waste our time and energy - these are scumtactics used to get town frustrated and demoralized

[drealmerz7]

"why aren't you asking that from the people who should have?

I don't know what this means

[drealmerz7]

Excellent, please, going forward know that I am wanting to help you improve your communication skills via english.

[drealmerz7]

FA, the thing is, if you are good with mechanics like you say, and game-solve with all of the details like you appear to do (oh hey, grand idea got cancelled, we can talk about that...weee), you should have this shit written down

every time a new piece of information gets added to the mix, you should be keeping notes and adjusting accordingly, otherwise you're going to forget things, make mistakes, and it's just going to be a complete and utter mess and not be helpful at all - again, why I think it points to you being scum because I think you know these things and do play that way on occassion, but can claim not to do so when it serves you

[drealmerz7]

I don't know what you may or may not have missed, ya know? that's the thing

[drealmerz7]

omfg call yourself conftown again and look like a fool

[drealmerz7]

your point of existence, if you are town, is to HELP TOWN

it is a team game

it's not about YOU GETTING WHAT YOU NEED, it's about working together to achieve a common goal

[drealmerz7]

I also understand setups and am good at them

but you have to make sure you have all of your shit straight

[drealmerz7]

again, get your ego out of it

it's about criticizing your method, it's a constructive thing, you could obviously do it better, right? yes, undoubtedly, no question, if you are closed to that truth, that is your problem

[drealmerz7]

you keep missing the point

you don't know if you're missing other things

not about the hoods

about anything

[drealmerz7]

if you missed one, you can miss more

and you don't know, because you don't know

what is so hard to understand about that? OH, your ego is in the way

[drealmerz7]

my point is you are being an egotistical know-itall who can't be told anything and are just completely railroading your agenda above anything else and that you don't really get the concept of the game

[drealmerz7]

you are missing every single one of my points, and it isn't hard to comprehend

you've really just got to be scum being difficult

[drealmerz7]

and shit like "finish my wagon or completely eradicate it" and "it should be obvious" shit is completely asinine ego-driven awfulness that you need to get in check

[drealmerz7]

I resolve to:

it's just all a bit too convenient, especially with the bull-headedness pushing it through, insisting things are certain ways and then it's definitely not necessarily the case and I think they are a smart enough player to know that so why aren't they accepting it as possible? because to do so would permit her scum-genda to fail

[drealmerz7]

I don't know what her scumgenda would be, I suppose a more general agenda would be the standard:

cause confusion, frustration, misinformation, make sure to "be in control" so that she can guide the game HOWEVER she wants, or be more sure to drive it away from what she doesn't want

I'm not aware she gets into it with other players a lot (I do too!)

[drealmerz7]

that is good to know, I tend to get into it with people too, but it's less our conflict that is the issue and more that she's, in my view, making it more difficult than it needs to be, and excusing it conveniently, and then causing a distracting argument with me about it rather than just be like "oh right this game is complex, no matter how good I think OR KNOW I am, I should write details down and go back over the game and be thorough and make sure I didn't miss anything else if my method is actually going to be worth a damn to anyone but me" - which she doesn't seem interested in helping anyone but herself, it's all about HER figuring it out so SHE can TELL everyone else what to do

that's a scummy way to play, inherently, scum can hide in so much of all of that ^ - I find it likely she is, and it is certainly not healthy to discount the possibility that she isn't

[drealmerz7]

you can't say "sloppiness isn't AI"

scum can fake sloppiness and use it to their advantage, like fake derpclearing

[drealmerz7]

dude, anything can be anything

we've got to talk about this specific game

in this specific game, I think she is scum either 1.) using actual sloppiness to her advantage/being lazy and not caring about the details or, 2.) pretending to do so

[drealmerz7]

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they are scum skimming under the radar

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are town)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are scum)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they aren't interested in the game (as town)

so you can say "lurking is not alignment indicative" because you can't generalize like that in mafia, it's dumb, you have to analyze each individual scenario

[drealmerz7]

CAN'T SAY

[drealmerz7]

we're a week away from deadline

there's loads of content

you aren't voting, are you leaning towards anyone being likely enough scum that you're comfortable voting them? more than 1?

[drealmerz7]

the sloppiness advantage is the derpclearing first and foremost

but it has other advantages that can't necessarily be "seen", it just causes the whole process of scumhunting to be a bit messy, it inhibits town working towards our goal

[drealmerz7]

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they are scum skimming under the radar

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are town)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they don't have time for the game (and are scum)

sometimes someone is a lurkfuck because they aren't interested in the game (as town)

so you can say "lurking is not alignment indicative" because you can't generalize like that in mafia, it's dumb, you have to analyze each individual scenario

If you're gonna lurker lynch, do so because you have a decent set of town reads and are POEing it, or because the game has gotten overly lurker-y and a policy lynch may actually help behavior. I certainly wouldn't think "this guy is lurking" is in and of itself a good reason to lynch.

wtf, now I'm getting pings from you

this isn't about lynching, this is about getting alignment indications based on behavior

you can't just write off someone's lurking as NAI, you have to look at it closer and see if you can get any leans on more specifics

[drealmerz7]

yeah it's an overall feel of the slot at this point, an accumulation of everything

also frustrated a bit because I feel at a loss and I feel like a lot of what deo+FA are doing isn't really helping the scumhunt, it's being distracting from the scumhunt

so

we're a week away from deadline

there's loads of content

you aren't voting, are you leaning towards anyone being likely enough scum that you're comfortable voting them? more than 1?

[drealmerz7]

read the farking thread

[drealmerz7]

and ours is called "loss neighborhood"

[drealmerz7]

ohyeah I should probably switch my vote back there

got over-heated on FA for the vote at least

VOTE: the DEO