Mini Normal 1854: Game Over

[TwoFace]

I'm down for an AJ lynch also

[TwoFace]

Admitting when you're wrong is a virtue.

So many people on this site don't do this.

[TwoFace]

Your reads list didn't change at all before and after. That's bad regardless of alignment. Admitting when you're wrong is a virtue. My sarcasm is light, I bear no ill will to you and when you flip scum there will be no need to apologize if postgame

Do you know what emp is talking about with regards to fitz's reaction to creeps?

I don't remember any reaction

[TwoFace]

And that's a major reason I'm leaving ms but anyways not the place nor time

I understand.

People don't scum hunt. They just exsist.

Those who do get told their cases are garbage.

[TwoFace]

Nothing wrong with that list

[TwoFace]

I can't get along with liars, scum, and stupid people.

He's guaranteed to be 2 of the 3

[TwoFace]

This game is actually disappointing.

Was thinking the same about your contributions

[TwoFace]

Ari at least has a sense of humor. It's refreshing on this site. Too many serious people who mistake my sarcasm the wrong way.

[TwoFace]

You're giving emp too much credit.

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

Happy now?

He still needs to be lynched today though.

[TwoFace]

By today I meant this day phase.

[TwoFace]

If we didn't lynch hiraki, you were the alternative. Maybe gamma or Sonia is scum. If so that points to you probably being scum.

[TwoFace]

I have never said that Two going off the wagon was scummy - maybe before he said the policy - although I've acknowledged that it ought to be. What is scummy is that Two won't give a straight answer to questions about why he unvoted. "I don't lynch claimed PRs" is nonsense; it's impossible. It is halfway between "I won't be on the wagon of a claimed PR day one. Just won't" and "I'll try to keep claimed PRs from being lynched" Posturing or protecting, but when asked directly which one he just calls me a liar and repeats his (gibberish) mantra. That's not pro-town behaviour. Perhaps it was obvious to you that he meant posturing? But where was the pro-town motivation is refusing to make it obvious to me? My question was not difficult.

I've given you a straight answer. Multiple times.

I don't lynch claimed PRs day 1. I don't know how I can be any more clear, also it is not nonsense and certainly not impossible since I didn't lynch a claimed PR day 1. Side note, It's a very smart policy that all players should have.

The fact that you keep harping on this and saying I'm scum because I correctly call you a liar is exactly why you're scum.

If you were town you would admit your mistake and move on. The fact that you have the nerve to claim I'm shady for my policy is why you need death.

And another thing. I didn't call you a liar for your question. I called you a liar because you accused me of flip flopping. i never flip flopped so that was a false accusation.


And I'm sorry but you aren't in any position to say what is and isn't protown behavior. You want me to believe you are town, yet you've lied. Lying isn't protown behavior.

[TwoFace]

That's not semantics. If he is claiming to have a policy in this game. And it certainly looks like a policy in this game. But it wasn't a policy in those other games. Regardless, I literally said that I am willing to concede the argument in that post. That's not remotely arguing over semantics.

You know what semantics is? Semantics is me doing the same thing in those other games as I did here but saying it's different because I didn't say the word policy.

"I also have this thing about lynching claimed PRs day one. "

"I am not a big fan of lynching claimed PRs on day 1"

"You don't lynch a claimed pr day 1 ever"

All 3 say essentially the same thing, just worded differently. All 3 my actions were the same. I didn't lynch a claimed pr. Since empking is big on semantics. I'll say it in a way that makes sense to hissimple mind.

All 3 say essentially the same thing, just worded differently. All 3 my actions were the same. I didn't vote a claimed pr.

The end result is the same. I'm never going to vote a claimed pr day 1.

[TwoFace]

Btw in my original post I never used the word policy so not even sure how that got introduced

[TwoFace]

It is halfway between "I won't be on the wagon of a claimed PR day one. Just won't" and "I'll try to keep claimed PRs from being lynched" Posturing or protecting

Anyone with a 2nd grade reading level should have been able to figure out that my policy is that I won't be on the wagon. I've basically said as much multiple times.

Cause you can't figure out that when I say I won't lynch somebody, that actually means I won't vote somebody is kind of tragic. People on this site for years have been interchanging these words so I seriously doubt it's a new concept to you.

Now for the other part. If I believe the claim and we have ample time I'll definitely try to swing votes elsewhere.

Nacho made a very good point that made me not believe fitz's claim. If you're a legit town pr and at l-1, you don't risk going to bed without claiming. Not on this site where lol hammers happen all the time.

Although I did quote my policy about pr day 1. Your predecessors vote was bad. Definitely could have been for town cred. He sort of off and on pushed fitz but never had a real reason too. The one time he tried to give a reason, the reason wasn't even true. But that's off topic.

I did explain why it's a bad idea to lynch claimed PRs so I did sort of try to prevent it. If math wouldn't have been stupid and hammered via CC this game would be completely different. Town would probably be in better shape.

[TwoFace]

uhhhhhh
VOTE: Twoface VOTE:
Okay that's a lie
Scoty claimed tracker and you were still on her wagon without a 2nd thought.

VOTE: twoface
So you gonna explain this " I don't vote claimed pr's"
deal ?

Sure I'll explain it.

See I was killed night 1 overcaimed masons for correctly identifying 2/3 of the scum team.
Sotty claimed tracker day 2

I was dead when the tracker claim happened.

What else you got?

[TwoFace]

TwoFace was killed in the night! He was

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini Normal 1843! You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to discover the truth.

Win Condition:
You win when all threats are eliminated to the town and at least one town member is still alive.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

Day two deadline is Friday November 18, 1 PM PST. (expired on 2016-11-18 13:00:00)

I see the unvote but whatever.

I'm a tracker, I tracked Jaack he didn't go anywhere. It was a toss up between him and twoface. I realized twoface more of a me read and a couple of people told me that I was tunneling so I ended up going with Jaack as he was my next best read.

[TwoFace]

I should have waited to see who blindly sheeped you.

You don't see that excited by an emp wagon. Why not?

[TwoFace]

If i'm wrong and emp turns out to be town, I'm there with ya on both of those guys.

[TwoFace]

Btw in my original post I never used the word policy so not even sure how that got introduced

[TwoFace]

Its not me who is harping on about it.

You're the one who can't stop talking about it

[TwoFace]

Yes you brought up the policy.
You asked for examples of the policy
I provided examples of the "policy"

Plus you posted the exact posts wiothin thode games. Ezact posts that communicate a desire, a preference, but not so much a policy. Rgardless, I', willing to accept that you do have a policy

You then use the fact that against me in a negative way BECAUSE I never used the word policy.

no way you do that as town
No way ANYONE does that as town.

Die scum

[TwoFace]

I'm not reading these walls.
If there is something worth noting other than a war based on semantics and full of bickering, please summarize it for me.

Nah just emp flailing

[TwoFace]

I'ma just act like I read all these walls and nod my head

Good idea. He's not saying anything of value anyway

[TwoFace]

I will lynch aj for you if you're 100% sure. I think it's a mistake, but I will. This is if TwoFace and luv agree.

Unfortunately I don't think I can go along with that.

[TwoFace]

Now nacho posted his thoughts. Can we lynch emp?

[TwoFace]

Also fantastic job ignoring literally everything Nacho posted, so why even bother waiting if you were just going to disregard them anyways?

I wasn't the one who wanted to wait. Others did so I was being patient.

Nothing nacho said made me change my opinion on emp

[TwoFace]

Whatever

VOTE: aj

I'm over this game

[TwoFace]

We had 2, not 4 and I didn't realize I hammered. My mistake.

[TwoFace]

It was a mistake. I don't lie. If you flip town, I'll take the lynch but I honestly didn't realize it

[TwoFace]

I already said I'm ok getting mislynched for my mistake. I'm a grown man. I admit my mistakes

[TwoFace]

It's one of the mentalities that makes LAL exist.

?

[TwoFace]

Nah nobody should be suspicious of me for the hammer.

[TwoFace]

Heads up if this game isn't over by the 15th I'll be v/la until the 20th. No mafia at Disney

[TwoFace]

Welp. Nacho if you're reading this please post any last minute thoughts/reads in the mason PT.

Hopefully nacho has done this.

[TwoFace]

Look at what you're saying. Do you really think scum would be such an easy target?

Bad post. If I could I'd vote you now also

[TwoFace]

Nah nobody should be suspicious of me for the hammer.

[TwoFace]

If aj is town gamma probably deserves it. Still not sold AJ is town though.

[TwoFace]

Kinda busy right now but @emp. I didn't lolhammer anyone. I accidentally hammered. There's a difference

VOTE: emp

[TwoFace]

That was strangely vague

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

[TwoFace]

And I want emp over gamma

[TwoFace]

Kinda busy right now but @emp. I didn't lolhammer anyone. I accidentally hammered. There's a difference

VOTE: emp

Accidently two posts after the vote count. Yeah, guys at my high school used o do that all the time.

I'm a shitty reader. What can I say. I saw your wagon was falling apart and pissed off. I was ok with aj being lynched so I voted him before I headed out.

[TwoFace]

The reasoning is bad because it's not AI. Accidents happen. If you're town you're letting your shitty reasons for scum reading me bias your opinion of the accidental hammer. In the end the hammer didn't hurt anything and he was somebody I was willing to lynch and he was probably going to be lynched anyway since people didn't want to lynch you.

[TwoFace]

For some reason I thought we were in mylo but we aren't.

VOTE: emp

[TwoFace]

We lost Nacho's final thoughts due to that manner; probably. That's a great harm.

That hammer cannot plausibly be seen as an accident. If people are willing to let you get away with what is clearly awful garbage, then we deserve to lose.

no we didn't because he shares a PF with another mason who is still alive and they had the entire night phase to discuss things. The other mason is perfectly capable to summarize Nacho's final thoughts for us.

so we didn't lose shit.

[TwoFace]

wow. such accident. much whatever. much im over this game. such accident. wow.

[TwoFace]

you still here whining? damn are you like 6 years old? grow up already and move on. shit happens. it was a fucking accident. move on

if you are town, make a case on somebody else. you're original reason for scum reading me is absolute shit. your attempt to downplay my push on fitz is absolute shit. using conf.bias to make this accidental hammer into some sort of scummy thing is absolute shit.

I have seen nothing pro-town from you so far and this whining doesn't make you look any better.

[TwoFace]

I'll make sure to post full reads when I get home today, which is late but is gonna happen.

nacho said he would post stuff, I am sure he posted it in the pf with uzi.

@ uzi - was nacho able to post his final thoughts? if yes can you summarize for us?


Thank you

[TwoFace]

oh well that sucks. he did make a bunch of posts in the game though so we know what he was thinking. if emp is town and wants to keep pushing me for a mistake, he can go right ahead but post game he can go eat a brick when it's revealed I was town and he was just stupid.

but that's all moot cause no way he is town

[TwoFace]

Dude you're scum reading me because I have a policy you disagree with and I accidentally hammered somebody I previously said I'd be ok lynching.

Go change your diaper and fuck off.

Nothing about me is calculated.

[TwoFace]

The unvote was cause of me not wanting to lynch claimed PRs day 1, so to scum read me for the unvote IS scum reading me for somettjdt is at best a town tell for me. At worst it's s null tell.

And you could totally be scum whining.

You're 2 main points against me are non AI. If you're town you're probably going to get lynched because of that. That's why I think you are scum. There is no way I can see town push non AI things as scummy. Fitz did and got caught. You're doing it now and are caught.

If youte town, you need to take this game more seriously and come back with scum reads based on legitimately scummy things.

[TwoFace]

Both of you fit as gamma partners so why can't we just lynch gamma and deal with this tomorrow zzz

For now gamma gets a pass as fitz tried to push gamma. Right now nobody is scummier than emp. Vote emp

[TwoFace]

Fitz gives a lacklustre attack on Two, Two reacts with an unconvincing attack on Fitz that looks like distancing.

maybe you could call the attack on gamma lackluster, but I don't think you can call his attack on me lackluster since he basically pushed for my lynch the majority of the game. if anything I think in fitz's initial list reads, he had much better reasons to push gamma over me. You call it distancing, but scum are only going to distance when they have to. I was under no pressure at all, nobody was even really scum reading me so to think he cast shade on me out of the blue just to distance is just more stupid thinking if you are town.

There is absolutely no way you can call my push on fitz unconvincing because at least 2 or 3 people liked my reasons, one of them is confirmed town said they were good and contributed to his scum read on fitz.

[TwoFace]

No sheep me on emp

[TwoFace]

Accidental hammers don't actually happen

Not true

[TwoFace]

Of course he is. I could easily find examples of accidental hammers.

I wish he would get back to l-1 and somebody would intentionally (or accidentally)hammer him.

He's just playing dumb, I know he is not actually this dumb.

[TwoFace]

Shit I was accidentally hammered once myself

[TwoFace]

Yes

[TwoFace]

No it never dropped but today should be emp. Nothing he's said I see coming from town.

[TwoFace]

So what are we waiting for again?

[TwoFace]

I ain't moving my vote. sorry

[TwoFace]

cause empking is bleeding scum. not a single post he's made makes me think he could be town.

[TwoFace]

In about 1 days I'll basically be useless so we need to figure things out sooner than later.

Why does gamma make sense as partner when fitz was trying to push on gamma? Fitz has said in another game where he was town that he doesn't bus unless he absolutely hasn't to.

I don't think he was in the "absolutely have to" phase day 1 when other townies were viable options.

[TwoFace]

10 days, not 1

[TwoFace]

and what about emp? has he done anything to tr him for? because the only thing nacho really had was his push on me makes no sense from scum, but I disagree because stubbornness/stupidity can be faked and almost always people write that off as town.

[TwoFace]

No, but there is still a slight possibility that King is just VI.

The problem I have with a King lynch is that no one can tell me who is the definite focus for Day 5 regardless of flip. With Gamma it's like, okay, Day 5 should be at the most two hours but with a King lynch, Day 5 is just going to lead to whole bunch of back and forth with no end in sight and a likely compromise on a town slot. I rather not have the town lose that way.

actually if king flips scum, josh goes up my radar a bit.

plus if we lynch king and he flips scum, we have allowed us an extra mislynch I think.

I don't see how keeping king around helps town in anyway. he isn't being useful at all.

[TwoFace]

2. This game is not boring

yes it is.

[TwoFace]

for me it's frustrating. emp should have been lynched yesterday

[TwoFace]

he isn't, but I don't think he is scum with fitz.

[TwoFace]

Josh you seem most adamant. State your case for gamma please.

[TwoFace]

so why does nobody seem to want to lynch gamma?

[TwoFace]

hmm, when I type it out I guess we don't get an extra mislynch. feels like we should

[TwoFace]

Where is everyone

[TwoFace]

In order to be counted, votes should appear on a separate line and not within spoiler tags or otherwise concealed. Votes not following this format may be counted if I believe that a vote was inten

Nah it will count. See the last line

[TwoFace]

That's a great rule btw. That's going in my ruleset when I mod

[TwoFace]

Off topic. I've pm'd like 3 or 4 people I trust asking for some game design advice and nobody pm'd me back. Anyone know somebody good with game design? Want to put a normal game together

[TwoFace]

That's actual what the games I used to play were. What que would a role madness game go into?

[TwoFace]

Can you do a theme game without a theme?

[TwoFace]

Ok

[TwoFace]

I can run it on main. I've nodded before.

[TwoFace]

DC Comics themed game!

Like I can do charachters and shit but I'm not creative with flavor.

[TwoFace]

Intent to hammer Emp

Hammer has happened

[TwoFace]

Rules say anything that looks like a vote will be counted.

[TwoFace]

Yeah the night/lynch flavor is what is hard. People really love flavor.

[TwoFace]

So I'll retire this alt and run a role madness game sometime soon.

Can I use any role? I have a bunch we use in another site that aren't used here?

Oh emp, you were scum right? Your reaction to being hammered isn't what I'd expect from town.

[TwoFace]

I think it's pretty obvious who I am. If anyone ever guesses I'll probably say but for now I won't just cause I may come back to this at some point. One of these days I'll learn to not take these games so seriously

[TwoFace]

That's a good idea.

[TwoFace]

Pretty sure last scum is josh

[TwoFace]

Things that stood out to me are how he was hard pushing vedith early on in the game, as the game progressed he backed off vedith, and was pushing hard for gamma over vedith when fitz/gamma made no sense.

No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game. I think those reasons is he's their partner.

Since we don't have to worry about a scum pile on.

VOTE: josh

[TwoFace]

But hey. I'm a reasonable man.

Somebody show me how fitz/creeps makes more sense than fitz/hiraki and I'll read it over.

It doesnt

Fitz/vedith does though

Oh yeah, run that one past me again.

I can't for reasons... Take that as you like but I can answer at a later date.
Le End

Here ya go buddy.

[TwoFace]

not to mention yesterday i wasnt entirely confident you were town and wanted to lynch gamma before emp because youd fit as a gamma partner but not as an emp partner. i still do not like that unvote on "policy"

I was the most obvious townie next to the masons.

It was

Nacho
Uzi
Me

So yeah you can get the same fate emp had. Good bye scum

[TwoFace]

And I told you fuckers it was a god damn accident. Stupid scum emp

[TwoFace]

But you never explained it. The fact that you went from hard pushing vedith when it didn't seem likely he's going to be lynched to hard against it when it was 50/50 he could be lynched and then just gave up and hammered reeks of early distancing, later team preservation, and hammer in hopes of town cred.

Your gamma push never made any sense. Not when you weren't originally down for a fitz/vedith scum team.

[TwoFace]

And I told you fuckers it was a god damn accident. Stupid scum emp

n idc about you hammering ive seen town do it more than scum regardless of intentional or unintentional. i did not like you unvoting fitz at the start of the game for policy and stating you knew he was going to be lynched anyways. player policy is not something im a big fan of.

Hard pushing against a scum lynch isn't something I'm a fan of either.

Which one is scummier?

Yeah that's why I'm voting you

[TwoFace]

Josh. Save it. Nothing you can say is going to change my mind. If somebody else is against a josh lynch and has good reason, I'll consider but I just don't see how his 180 made much sense given who he was pushing really made no sense.

[TwoFace]

I won't be alive tomorrow most likely but if I am, We'll be in lylo tomorrow and lylo everyone is a clean slate. I reread everything before voting.

[TwoFace]

Nice call on Emp, TF

He just wasn't thinking like a townie. I just wish I was on the fitz lynch.

[TwoFace]

Things that stood out to me are how he was hard pushing vedith early on in the game, as the game progressed he backed off vedith, and was pushing hard for gamma over vedith when fitz/gamma made no sense.

No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game. I think those reasons is he's their partner.

Since we don't have to worry about a scum pile on.

VOTE: josh

No. This is scum trying to lynch the obvious n5 nk target.

You're on crack. I caught 2 scum. I'm the obvious nk not josh

[TwoFace]

My vote ain't moving.

[TwoFace]

Yes

P.edit

no

Hell no

[TwoFace]

If somebody else is against a josh lynch and has good reason, I'll consider

Cause you say so isn't a good reason.

The "obv town" from the predecessor wears off after a while. Josh's actions look scummy.

[TwoFace]

Dumb town who caught 2 scum. Get it right at least

[TwoFace]

Now I definitely want you lynched. No protown motivation for insulting me at this point.

[TwoFace]

i caught empking just as much as you did

Not with posts like this you didn't.

i think empking's play is awful + lynchbait regardless of alignment and

i think there are several dead townies advocating strongly for a gamma lynch and

i think a gamma flip provides more info than empking and

You even didn't hammer properly and probably didn't realize the mod had a special rule.


You need rope.

[TwoFace]

These posts are from somebody who "caught" empking?

thought about it

i want 2 lynch gamma before emp

please and thanks

Nacho didn't give his thoughts Uzi already said that

Now can we fucking lynch gamma

Both of you fit as gamma partners so why can't we just lynch gamma and deal with this tomorrow zzz

sheep me on gamma you fools

Gamma is practically claiming scum wagon away fools

I agree! However, we have a lot of dead people saying gamma is the better lynch. Did nacho say anything about emp in Mason pt?

[TwoFace]

ok now im insulting you

"You even didn't hammer properly and probably didn't realize the mod had a special rule. "

shut the fuck up LOL

explain what benefit as scum there is to voting like that? or why its even worth mentioning? jesus dude you are annoying to play with. i need rope like hiraki did i see.

What benefit? How about you fake hammer, hope somebody else hammers and you blame the meds for your mistake.

[TwoFace]

Gamma made no sense for scum
You abandoned your scum read on emp to push gamma
You pointed to dead people wanting gamma lynched like that meant something over your OWN reads.
You even hoped nacho left some advice about not lynching emp and lynching gamma

Town doesn't do this imo. Town trusts their own reads first and finds real evidence.

Town doesn't downplay their scum read and calls them lynchbait regardless of alignment. Lynchbait is only town. Scum can't be lynchbait cause the point is to lynch scum.

[TwoFace]

You even didn't hammer properly and probably didn't realize the mod had a special rule.

This is 100% a great starting point for the scumread.

For other reasons, I will have to do that VCA/ISO thing I promised for within the week.

Why do people always demand cases so quickly!?

Also should we MC?

Tomorrow after we lynch josh we can

[TwoFace]

Btw regardless of your alignment josh. Fuck you for the hiraki dig.

[TwoFace]

Emp flipped scum yay great that was expected!

I'd lynch Aris/Gamma
Aris sudden aggro stance near the end of the day towards me felt really out of place I'd like to hear more on that
Gamma wanting twoface is because he know's he's in a really bad spot and will need to try and get as much wiggle room as he can
Twoface you and Josh are town thank you take another look at the newbie slot and actions and you should be able to see it for yourself

I already explained the newbie stuff wears off and josh definitely looks like scum given his read progression on the vedith/emp slot.

If y'all lynch somebody else it'll be without my vote.

[TwoFace]

I for some reason thought we had 2 ml's instead of 1 huh
I still feel quite confident in my 2 tr's I'll re read Twoface but I don't rly see my josh read changing

this really should be the other way around.

the only town read that should not change is the one on me, you need to re-read josh for sure.

but before you do that, lay out your reasons for who you want to lynch please.

[TwoFace]

2533 are both crappy reasons.

you say you haven't seen much from Aris which is fair, but the same could be said about you and gamma. not contributing doesn't equate to scum, or else you would be scum reading yourself
Gamma's point about fitz pushing him is very valid and to disregard it doesn't show a good townie mindset imo.

today I have no interest in lynching gamma because at least 1 scum tried to lynch him when they didn't have to.

Out of everyone alive, the person who's play stands out the most is josh. If both he and I are alive in lylo, I don't see how I can ignore his 180. It is very damning imo.

[TwoFace]

I went to go read post 180 and I was so confused and it took me 3 minutes to understand what you meant

I am not sure of my read on you. mainly because I have been so blinded by pushing the people I have scum read, I have to go back and read your posts and interactions. I also have to go back and look at who was on the wagon pushing your slot day 1, but since your slot was almost lynched, I think that you are probably town. I think it is a shame that creeps replaced out cause I liked him better (no offense)


I just can't wrap my head about how when we are at a stage where a scum lynch really helps town out, he downplays his scum read on empking and instead pushes for somebody who to me is an obvious mislynch using the dead people as the reason.

that doesn't feel town to me. That feels like scum really trying to prevent his buddy from being lynched.

[TwoFace]

early on in the game it doesn't matter how hard you push somebody if they aren't going to be lynched. I don't think vedith's slot was ever a threat to be lynched day 1 so as scum you can hard bus like a mother fucker and get away with it. That's called distancing.

Later in the game when push comes to shove and the game is potentially on the line, you back away from that same scum read and push somebody else, that raises red flags for me, especially when the person you backed away from was actually scum.

[TwoFace]

yeah that is how I am. I know once we get to lylo if I am alive I will have a shit load of reading to do. I can easily make connections if I tried hard enough.

for me to look elsewhere from josh, I am going to need something good which I haven't seen yet.

[TwoFace]

hapahauli replaces Joshz

yeah now I definitely want this lynched

[TwoFace]

unannounced replacement request out of the blue without any sort of reasoning is a huge red flag. It isn't necessarily alignment indicative but since I was already scum reading him, it doesn't help his situation.

[TwoFace]

when all signs point to your slot being scum and your predecessor replaces out without any sort of reasoning, it doesn't make you look good.

has nothing to do with you personally, you just replaced into a scum slot.

[TwoFace]

All I'm asking for is a chance to work.

unfortunately I can't trust anything you say. With 2 scum flips already it is easy as hell to manipulate posts to your advantage.

the reluctance to vote emp and actually tried to push people on to gamma is such a red flag given how hard he was pushing that slot earlier in the game.

maybe you can convince others but i'm stubborn like that.

[TwoFace]

@ TwoFace - What do you consider about my predecessors behavior to be so damning? If my slot isn't mafia, who is? Or are you unwilling to even entertain that?

I have already explained. The hard push on scum vedith early on and the backing away from that slot the previous day phase and pushing elsewhere with lack of reasoning. The attempted hammer that was counted because of a caveat in the rules that he probably didn't know about, i certainly didn't until i read them again.

if your slot isn't mafia, I most likely won't have to worry about it because I should be nk'd tonight.

if I am alive in lylo, everyone is back to ground zero and I will look at each person's posts and compare them to interactions with scum.


I don't think i can seriously entertain any case you make, but I will try if you make one.

[TwoFace]

Ugh. Just on that I want to lynch you.

Had a busy evening. I'll catch-up later.

[TwoFace]

Just wait. You're going to love what's next.

[TwoFace]

Just realized that fitz started going after gamma when gamma was calling for a creeps lynch and creeps was at 5 votes.

Creeps doesn't really mention either scum that much. He did say he didn't scum read fitz.

That plus the points josh made and Sonia's bad reaction makes me think Sonia is a better option.

Damn congratulations your the first person to ever get me to change my read on them.

VOTE: Sonia

[TwoFace]

sigh is that really the best you had?
That was slightly boring and a bit tedious I was expecting more of a challenge.

Those posts were actually quite good. You didn't respond well.

Sure josh did a 180

You just avoided discussing and hid in the background

[TwoFace]

I am Josh. Josh is me. We are all Josh.

Yeah I don't remember your name yet lol

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

Just to prevent an accidental hammer.

I'll reread your answers again at work tomorrow. I just didn't really see anything convincing

Ari is most likely off the table.
Gamma I don't think is scum either.

Lack of interactions between scum and creeeps/Sonia is interesting. Fitz attacking gamma when he was going after creeps and giving up on me was also note worthy

[TwoFace]

1)A lot of your comments on me are "void of analysis" I dislike explaining a lot of my thinking I don't really know if it's because it's from the site I play on or I am just lazy let us lean torwards the first one giving giant cases on why I think someone is scum is quite boring to me if I find something I dislike I say why and vote it simple
onto the 2nd!

I completely disagree with your assessment here, 2565 & 2566

I feel she makes a lot of good points on why you should be looked at as scum. This response is just a broad stroke trying to downplay it when he brings up a lot of good points. You definitely checked out.

so while Josh was pushing hard against emp, you kind of did something worse. Good or bad, right or wrong Josh took a hard stance. i didn't really see you do that as much and you didn't really want to commit to a vote.

2) It's not me throwing sus on twoface at all it's more of a "I can't read you very well" It's not finger pointing what so ever I don't know how you got that from that post but it's okay to be wrong

This is just a bad post because anyone who is town and doesn't read me as near confirmed town at this point either isn't reading the game or is plain stupid. You seemed to have a higher town read on josh for some reason which really makes no sense from a town pov. doesn't really make sense from a scum pov either though. so I guess this is just stupidity.

3) You clearly missed the part where I said I was trying to be vague the thing I was waiting for was for Gamma to vote because at that point there were a few places he could jump on and I wanted to see where he would go I think it would've helped my read on him a lot I also was going V/LA because I was going on a trip and I left before I place my vote the thing is you're right I didn't place my vote but you really think me not voting mafia is scummy? How so I mean I did try and get emp lynched the day before (not that hard mind you but still) knowing my scum play I would've prob bussed EMP at that point but that's self meta that really is just wifom I think the point I'm trying to make is why is it scummy that I didn't vote emp and wanted gamma instead?

Sorry Vague should never be a town trait. Town should be transparent as possible. So the fact you were being vague on purpose is scummy. Your reasoning for why you were vague wasn't even a good one imo. Gamma was not the fish to be fried the previous day phase, fitz's push on him should have made him more clear than others imo. you voting emp and then hopping off for bad reasoning doesn't earn you town points.

sigh is that really the best you had?
That was slightly boring and a bit tedious I was expecting more of a challenge.

this is a bad post because like I said, your response to hap's posts weren't very good.


Right now scum is in you or hap. i can't figure out which one I think is scummier.

hard pushing against the person that was an earlier strong scum read and them flipping scum

or

doing nothing at all with regards to lynching scum


I don't think Ari is scum because he joined emp when he could have easily joined gamma

gamma got pushed by fitz after he joined the creeps wagon. so I don't think gamma is scum and kind of leans me towards creeps being scum.

looking at the wagon when creeps was L-1, I think every single person on that wagon was town with the exception of 2 alive and both of those 2 look pretty townie compared to the other 2.


Creeps20 (6):

ScumDeersAreVeryTasty (AJ), Hiraki

, Aristophanes,

MathBlade, FrankJaeger

, Gamma Emerald

[TwoFace]

still can't get over the weird 180 from josh and the out of the blue replacement (which btw the last time I saw one under this account, I am pretty sure that was scum)

but hap makes some valid points also.

I think scum is definitely in this grouping.

if scum isn't, then i'd lean gamma.

if aris is scum, he deserves the win cause that was a well timed buss for town cred when it wasn't necessary

[TwoFace]

I'm sick so putting up a giant defense again doesn't feel needed when my lynch is most likely the best for the town
*shrug*
VOTE: Gamma

Almost everyone is saying gamma probably isn't scum. So why are you pushing gamma scum?

Did I miss some reasons somewhere?

[TwoFace]

oh my bad you posted your reasons earlier, they were weaker than 1 ply toilet paper.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: sonia

To me it's one or the other. I honestly didn't think a replacement could convince me but hap did give food for thought and I find myself agreeing with his points. Sonia reallyhasnt put forth the same sort of effort so being wrong here isn't a total loss.

[TwoFace]

That's L-1

[TwoFace]

mod I'll be V and very LA starting the 15th until the 21st

[TwoFace]

That's L-1

I still have to do my analysis. Maybe tomorrow...

What's the hold up?

[TwoFace]

V/LA until tuesday

why are we voting sonia

Why not?

Happy birthday btw

[TwoFace]

Zzzzzzzz

[TwoFace]

And I'm gone Sunday.

Gamma is v/la now but what the fuck is ari's excuse.

[TwoFace]

GG

[TwoFace]

@ hap. I was impressed how you were able to quickly make a case on Sonia like that. Her reaction wasn't great. That's always the best way to stop a tunnel, make a good case for an alternative. Good job

[TwoFace]

not sure why anyone in the dead thread thought I was scum, especially after fitz flipped scum, also not sure how anyone thought emp was town.

:shrug: