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[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's getting late and I'm headed off to bed. I'll binge read this in the morning and will hopefully give you all my thoughts by the evening.

I want to ISO Pine and Alisae

ISO Slick too it will take like 2 minutes

[Alisae]

Why would my read on Severa have to change for me to be comfortable voting Wraith? That makes no sense because I never TR'd Wraith.

And if my test was on any other player I would get PL'd without question. I chose rb to see if he would vote him or not. AKA it would just help me sort the slot.

[Zachstralkita]

Rebbe say hi to me when you catch up

[The Rebbe]

Rebbe say hi to me when you catch up

Hi.

[Zachstralkita]

Thanks ur predecessor avoided me like ducks avoid lava but was always sneak dissin

[The Rebbe]

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

Until I can finish reading through

[The Rebbe]

Has there been any other claims I should be aware of?

[The Rebbe]

Day talk is active.

YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT

You're right
I am retarded.
Your blue tie is still shit tho.

Just some thoughts from reading RVS: This appears to be a town slip from Alisae. Had Alisae been scum, he would have known that the scum team(s) have daychat enabled.

[The Rebbe]

I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.

Lol. I remember that game.

[The Rebbe]

They're trying to fake a townslip. I wanna see who's gonna try to fake a townslip next.

Disagree with this. I don't see scum!Alisae faking a townslip so early.

What I will say is that I'm not liking creature's discussion of multiball/singleball during RVS.

[The Rebbe]

I recently played a game as an IC and Pine had day talk as scum and manipulated me throughout the game till I sided with him in LyLo and lost the game for town and said I'd vote Pine every game we play together that has daytalk.

Lol. I remember that game.

Shit. Just realized I probably gave away my main account.

[Alisae]

Oh so you are an alt. Good to know.
edit: HE DID THE UNIVERSAL MEFIA SYMBOL

[Dunnstral]

Debi was town

[Dunnstral]

Thanks ur predecessor avoided me like ducks avoid lava but was always sneak dissin

[Dunnstral]

You may notice I only seem to reply to things on the same page

That's because I stopped reading the rest. There's no excuse for not coming up with a lynch on slick

[The Rebbe]

That's because I stopped reading the rest. There's no excuse for not coming up with a lynch on slick

Can you give me a list of your reads?

[The Rebbe]

Okay, I was kinda worried I was wrong about Pine and that he doesn't play like this as scum, though, it now explains he's scum trying to not be lynched nor NKed by the other scumteam.

The good news is that if Pine isn't lynched today, the other scumteam will probably kill him now.

Really not liking Creature.

[MortFeld]

Wraith

30 so no RVS vote to start. I never like when people decline to RVS in their first post but it's prob NAI
119 when I read Debi it was CLEAR to me that she was newb and pulled a ratio out of nowhere. It's one of the
reasons I strongly townread the slot. Scum doesn't come up with an absurd hypothetical ratio and spend
paragraphs analyzing the math around it when scum knows how many people are on their team. Wraith
assumed two things:
1. that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge and because of this
2. that the setup was multiball
That the setup is actually multiball could be confbias but I do agree with Severa here. Why would town ever
think that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge? 9/19 is absurd and everyone including Wraith pointed this out.
Yet Wraith, rather than doing what (?) Creature (? Don't remember who this was might have been Pine) did
and repeat "Adapt" 30 times, took Debi at face value. This belies a paranoia that I don't think is town.
Arguments against this are essentially "But Wraith has done towny things" and "This is reachy" so I'm
keeping these in mind as I read.
121 Wraith continues to maintain that Debi has foreknowledge. It is not a possibility in Wraith's mind that Debi
is newb and has no idea what she is talking about.
126 more of Wraith's not allowing that Debi is newb.
130 Wraith allows that Debi might be newb.
144 Ircher says 'yo dude you're assumin a lot and it ain't helpful' Wraith says 'nah it is helpful bro'
488 starts off towny. Alisae's vote was awful. But I can see scum!Wraith making that post assuming Alisae is
not on his scumteam. Especially without even a vote, just like 'yo look at this scummery!' He then goes on to say
he doesn't like rb's entrance but doesn't say why (for the record, I've seen town rb enter other games in a very
similar way) and he townleans Echo and Grey. Echo+Wraith is Severa's proposed scumteam and Grey is
confscum, so /shrug idk imma keep reading.
621 is grosss accusing now conftown rb of a scumslip and then spending two paragraphs speculating about
multiball. I get that multiball/no multiball is part of the basis for his rb vote, but that honestly makes it worse
for me. Maybe I am bad but as town I wasn't even thinking about multiball before it was confirmed.
622 does Grey make this vote if he and Wraith are a scumteam? Probably not, imo
676 Wraith has already said he thinks Alisae is lynchbait (621) and that he shouldn't lynch lynchbait that day,
but now he's 180ing and focusing on Ali's Pine townread - which is a bad townread yes but stuff like that is exactly
why Ali is considered lynchbait. He also recalls her Wraith vote which I get, it's a bad vote. But it feels like he
tosses it in with other pieces of 'evidence' as part of an Ali case, given that nobody latched onto it originally. He's
also explicitly fence sitting between rb and Ali wagons.
681 apologizes for Debi vote… NAI. I've seen both town and scum do this. Reading the rest of 681 it honestly looks
really town. I agree with a lot of what he says and it's really measured, objective, and gamesolvy. His reads are
confusing though for their lack of Dunn and LUV who had both been fairly active.
777 so this is a D7 flashwagon? Hm. Sitting out is NAI I think but I don't like using unmentionable player trends as
justification for a read. Not sure if it's actually anti-town.
1092 ugghhhh these walls I hate walls (knowing full well I am creating some - I would never ever do this
if I didn't replace in after 150 pages). Don't like some of his reads. HS' 1007 is not that bad. Townreads Grey
(though I do highly doubt they're on a scumteam). Don't get the Alisae read, gotta actually read 1097. In general
the reads are based on how much sense players make - not sure if that shows scum/town intent.
1097 ok I guess this could be town. I don't think it's too arguable than an Alisae lynch would be pro-town in
some respects.
Dude I can't deal with Wraith's playstyle. He doesn't even link posts.
2314 why is he scumreading Gin now? 1758 (ok, I can see this) and the vig claim. Given that Gin was actually
fakeclaiming I guess I can see this. But you've been saying Gin is the voice of reason all game and now a post from
AA and Gin's claim that you don't believe transform him from TOP TOWNREAD to SCUMREAD… a little fishy
Hmm. Wraith insists on a Gin lynch a lot. Could be that he believes the claim and wants to push the Vig lynch
through.
Disclaimer, I am skimming. Eyes are getting tired.
Census. What was the percentage of people who believed Gin vs people who didn't? Clearly he was lynched so.
Dunnstral's 2753 is pinging me.
2980 grossssssss why is Alisae town now?? This renews the idea of Wraith+Greyslot scumteam. 2980 honestly
looks like the reads you'd get if you knew it wasn't multiball.
Taking a break bc sleep.

TL;DR Wraith might be town. But I don't like 119 at all and there are enough weird poorly justified switches in opinion to give me pause. Could be explained by Wraith's constant missing a lot and catching up, or that could be a built-in excuse for having reads on the periphery.

[MortFeld]

The way Wraith waffled on Alisae (fence sitting between her and rb), then tunneled Alisae, and then suddenly after the Greyslot flip townread Alisae, also doesn't sit right.

[MortFeld]

Townread Alisae for a reason that doesn't make a whole lot of sense in multiball.

Sorry for spamposting, I'm tired and forget things. Also sorry for misgendering Alisae.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

pine go away

VOTE: pine

hey New Guy (idk your name yet and I don't feel like looking back oh well) how would you feel if I hammered slick since you're so against his lynch

pedit: over reacted to what??

hey New Guy (idk your name yet and I don't feel like looking back oh well) how would you feel if I hammered slick since you're so against his lynch

pedit: over reacted to what??

Excuse me!? Go ahead, scumclaim. It'll make this lynch even easier!

kinda tempting... if he were to flip scum would we get a severa wagon tomorrow?

Echo one word: Multiball

yes but if they both turned out to be scum, I doubt severa would be protecting someone on the opposite scum team. also, have to remember severa replaced pine who some people seemed to have a decent amount of suspicion on

honestly I'd prefer a slick wagon over a Wraith wagon... but obviously I'd rather lynch Dunn over anyone

Someone, one of you, should sell me Echo. Actually when something's on the menu they normally put words next to it. Here there's blank space. I didn't find his consistent cursing and xdjjdjfhjei AI, and I asked him to elaborate on the Dunn read that he didn't before and though I don't agree with his conclusion, it's something I can see him coming to based on my image of him.

Severa hasn't elaborated on a single one of their reads yet, even when asked. Just kinda seems like he's dodging it because he really has no reason for his wagons

I have no intention of answering any questions that aren't directly about how Wraith is scum and that's already in my ISO.

just read through all 70 posts of your iso and not one includes a good case on why Wraith or d7 or me or any other one of your scum reads are scum...

Hey Echo, Alisae, want to go back to the pine slot? I don't like the lack of reasoning from the others on the Wraith wagon, and they were pretty against the slick lynch. I'd still lynch slick too but it still stands that if he's scum the other team might just shoot him anyways and we can wait on lynching him until after a full team appears to be dead

VOTE: Severa

I don't really like some of the company I have on the Wraith wagon and I don't like the reasons (or lack thereof) that my company has given for being there, something is fishy about this wagon and the stench rises from Sev/AA most imo, Alisae always throws his vote around.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have no intention of answering any questions that aren't directly about how Wraith is scum and that's already in my ISO.

For those wondering why I feel concerned about Sev's presence on the Wraith wagon

[MortFeld]

I don't like the lack of reasoning from the others on the Wraith wagon

What do you make of what I said re: Wraith?

ik I posted directly before you.

[Severa]

If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

[MortFeld]

If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

As a lawyer I void this contract