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[Severa]

If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

As a lawyer I void this contract

Fuck off. If you're going to shit on a blindingly fucking obvious scum wagon then you don't deserve to control your vote for the next few days.

[Severa]

This shouldn't be half as much effort as it has been. Wraith is obvious scum and if you haven't voted him / think that he is town you are BAD. you are a SHIT PLAYER.
This is not me being a scumhunting genius catching a pro scum player this is me pointing out the single most poorly played scum game that I have seen since 2015.

[MortFeld]

Bleh I was shitposting, just thought your implying that future lynches should be bindingly conditional on today's lynch was funny.

If you read my recent posts you'll see I'm open to Wraith lynch anyway.

[Alisae]

Also sorry for misgendering Alisae.

Don't care. I'm whatever pronoun anyone wants me to be.

[Severa]

Then vote him. There's a lot of people trying really hard to create a counterwagon here and being 'open' to it isn't good enough.

[Alisae]

Hey Echo, Alisae, want to go back to the pine slot? I don't like the lack of reasoning from the others on the Wraith wagon, and they were pretty against the slick lynch. I'd still lynch slick too but it still stands that if he's scum the other team might just shoot him anyways and we can wait on lynching him until after a full team appears to be dead

VOTE: Severa

I don't really like some of the company I have on the Wraith wagon and I don't like the reasons (or lack thereof) that my company has given for being there, something is fishy about this wagon and the stench rises from Sev/AA most imo, Alisae always throws his vote around.

A. They have me in their pocket.
B. I rather lynch Wraith.
C. Why don't you want to lynch Wraith? Like what about him seems town to you?
D. The other scum team is probs just gonna kill Severa.

[MortFeld]

Then vote him. There's a lot of people trying really hard to create a counterwagon here and being 'open' to it isn't good enough.

4 days left first of all, and I'm not caught up yet.

Sorry you're impatient but I'm catching up at the pace I can.

For the record: Slick is the proposed counterwagon, right?

[Alisae]

If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

LINING
UP
LYNCHES!

[MortFeld]

I guess Kyouko is pushing Severa now.

[MortFeld]

If you lynch me today you are consenting to spend your next 2 lynches powerlynching Wraith and EchoVision.

LINING
UP
LYNCHES!

What does this mean?

This is what I meant when I said I hated your posting. You're not saying what you think of it, you're just lobbing a phrase at something. Like are you being sarcastic? Do you think Severa is scummy for it?

[Alisae]

Yes I think they are being scummy for lining up lynches.

[MortFeld]

Yes I think they are being scummy for lining up lynches.

Bad

[Severa]

Yes I think they are being scummy for lining up lynches.

You think that I am scummy for lining up lynches on the two people that I have said are scum this whole game behind my own lynch?

[Alisae]

Sure.
I SR them too tho so it's ok.

[MortFeld]

Sure.
I SR them too tho so it's ok.

how does that make sense

you just saw something that resembled lining up lynches and went OOH THAT'S A WIKI SCUMTELL and now believe that someone you townread is simultaneously scummy for it despite agreeing with their lynch targets

not like I'm paying attention to much you say. I fucking hope you're town though.

[Alisae]

Wait it's on the Wiki?
I didn't even look at the Wiki...
Isn't the wiki outdated as fuck?

[drealmerz7]

I just updated my wiki!

[MortFeld]

Wait it's on the Wiki?
I didn't even look at the Wiki...
Isn't the wiki outdated as fuck?

probably? I just know that it's not something that applies in this situation, and the fact that you agree with the lynch targets means you know it doesn't apply.

[Alisae]

Yeah I don't really want to touch Severa today.

[Dunnstral]

That's because I stopped reading the rest. There's no excuse for not coming up with a lynch on slick

Can you give me a list of your reads?

3239

[EchoVision]

It's getting late and I'm headed off to bed. I'll binge read this in the morning and will hopefully give you all my thoughts by the evening.

I want to ISO Pine and Alisae

Severa/RadiantCoweblls replaced pine, so if you're ISOing pines slot make sure you iso those slots too

[Dunnstral]

Really though, all alone I barely even noticed was in the game and I don't like them moving to vote wraith.

Slickdilinger reached l-1 multiple times I think and people avoid talking about him

I haven't read the majority of the past 50 or so pages because it's a chore and a few people are spamming the game and other are dumb

[Dunnstral]

we're not lynching severa

[EchoVision]

Wraith

30 so no RVS vote to start. I never like when people decline to RVS in their first post but it's prob NAI
119 when I read Debi it was CLEAR to me that she was newb and pulled a ratio out of nowhere. It's one of the
reasons I strongly townread the slot. Scum doesn't come up with an absurd hypothetical ratio and spend
paragraphs analyzing the math around it when scum knows how many people are on their team. Wraith
assumed two things:
1. that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge and because of this
2. that the setup was multiball
That the setup is actually multiball could be confbias but I do agree with Severa here. Why would town ever
think that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge? 9/19 is absurd and everyone including Wraith pointed this out.
Yet Wraith, rather than doing what (?) Creature (? Don't remember who this was might have been Pine) did
and repeat "Adapt" 30 times, took Debi at face value. This belies a paranoia that I don't think is town.
Arguments against this are essentially "But Wraith has done towny things" and "This is reachy" so I'm
keeping these in mind as I read.
121 Wraith continues to maintain that Debi has foreknowledge. It is not a possibility in Wraith's mind that Debi
is newb and has no idea what she is talking about.
126 more of Wraith's not allowing that Debi is newb.
130 Wraith allows that Debi might be newb.
144 Ircher says 'yo dude you're assumin a lot and it ain't helpful' Wraith says 'nah it is helpful bro'
488 starts off towny. Alisae's vote was awful. But I can see scum!Wraith making that post assuming Alisae is
not on his scumteam. Especially without even a vote, just like 'yo look at this scummery!' He then goes on to say
he doesn't like rb's entrance but doesn't say why (for the record, I've seen town rb enter other games in a very
similar way) and he townleans Echo and Grey. Echo+Wraith is Severa's proposed scumteam and Grey is
confscum, so /shrug idk imma keep reading.
621 is grosss accusing now conftown rb of a scumslip and then spending two paragraphs speculating about
multiball. I get that multiball/no multiball is part of the basis for his rb vote, but that honestly makes it worse
for me. Maybe I am bad but as town I wasn't even thinking about multiball before it was confirmed.
622 does Grey make this vote if he and Wraith are a scumteam? Probably not, imo
676 Wraith has already said he thinks Alisae is lynchbait (621) and that he shouldn't lynch lynchbait that day,
but now he's 180ing and focusing on Ali's Pine townread - which is a bad townread yes but stuff like that is exactly
why Ali is considered lynchbait. He also recalls her Wraith vote which I get, it's a bad vote. But it feels like he
tosses it in with other pieces of 'evidence' as part of an Ali case, given that nobody latched onto it originally. He's
also explicitly fence sitting between rb and Ali wagons.
681 apologizes for Debi vote… NAI. I've seen both town and scum do this. Reading the rest of 681 it honestly looks
really town. I agree with a lot of what he says and it's really measured, objective, and gamesolvy. His reads are
confusing though for their lack of Dunn and LUV who had both been fairly active.
777 so this is a D7 flashwagon? Hm. Sitting out is NAI I think but I don't like using unmentionable player trends as
justification for a read. Not sure if it's actually anti-town.
1092 ugghhhh these walls I hate walls (knowing full well I am creating some - I would never ever do this
if I didn't replace in after 150 pages). Don't like some of his reads. HS' 1007 is not that bad. Townreads Grey
(though I do highly doubt they're on a scumteam). Don't get the Alisae read, gotta actually read 1097. In general
the reads are based on how much sense players make - not sure if that shows scum/town intent.
1097 ok I guess this could be town. I don't think it's too arguable than an Alisae lynch would be pro-town in
some respects.
Dude I can't deal with Wraith's playstyle. He doesn't even link posts.
2314 why is he scumreading Gin now? 1758 (ok, I can see this) and the vig claim. Given that Gin was actually
fakeclaiming I guess I can see this. But you've been saying Gin is the voice of reason all game and now a post from
AA and Gin's claim that you don't believe transform him from TOP TOWNREAD to SCUMREAD… a little fishy
Hmm. Wraith insists on a Gin lynch a lot. Could be that he believes the claim and wants to push the Vig lynch
through.
Disclaimer, I am skimming. Eyes are getting tired.
Census. What was the percentage of people who believed Gin vs people who didn't? Clearly he was lynched so.
Dunnstral's 2753 is pinging me.
2980 grossssssss why is Alisae town now?? This renews the idea of Wraith+Greyslot scumteam. 2980 honestly
looks like the reads you'd get if you knew it wasn't multiball.
Taking a break bc sleep.

TL;DR Wraith might be town. But I don't like 119 at all and there are enough weird poorly justified switches in opinion to give me pause. Could be explained by Wraith's constant missing a lot and catching up, or that could be a built-in excuse for having reads on the periphery.

SEVERA TAKE FUCKING NOTES THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A CASE

[Alisae]

Echo that's cool.
Vote Wraith now.