Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

One last thing:

PeregrineV, are you scum?

No, I'm not.

[PeregrineV]

I think it's time to look through Day 6 again.

If the death of Maxous caused the creation of a scumteam based on the remaining number of players, then day6 is the better day to look.

I started looking, but then decided I'm not going to bother if no one else gives a shit.

[Ankamius]

Your play today doesn't look like you're legitimately trying to solve the game, even leading up towards your vote and eventual unvote of Giovanni.

[PeregrineV]

Your play today doesn't look like you're legitimately trying to solve the game, even leading up towards your vote and eventual unvote of Giovanni.

decided I'm not going to bother if no one else gives a shit.

[Ankamius]

And?

Your play didn't look like you wanted to lynch scum, it looked like you wanted to lynch Giovanni.

[PeregrineV]

And?

Your play didn't look like you wanted to lynch scum, it looked like you wanted to lynch Giovanni.

You think Giovanni is town?

[Ankamius]

I'm thinking as such at the moment, yes.

[PeregrineV]

I'm thinking as such at the moment, yes.

And for scum?

[Ankamius]

JaeReed, BigYoshiFan, and I are in the neighborhood. You, Almost50, and Giovanni il Pellegrino do not have access.

I'm with JaeReed in suspecting that BigYoshiFan is likely the mole. I've been suspicious that there has been one since I revealed during the night what I expected was going to happen from how I saw the gamestate and there was a pretty significant push away from that today.

I might have been incorrect in assuming I'd be the designated mislynch and Giovanni might have been the designated mislynch instead. If that's true, then a lot of what Almost50 and BigYoshiFan did today makes more sense.

One last thing:

PeregrineV, are you scum?

Your play today doesn't look like you're legitimately trying to solve the game, even leading up towards your vote and eventual unvote of Giovanni.

[PeregrineV]

JaeReed, BigYoshiFan, and I are in the neighborhood. You, Almost50, and Giovanni il Pellegrino do not have access.

I'm with JaeReed in suspecting that BigYoshiFan is likely the mole. I've been suspicious that there has been one since I revealed during the night what I expected was going to happen from how I saw the gamestate and there was a pretty significant push away from that today.

I might have been incorrect in assuming I'd be the designated mislynch and Giovanni might have been the designated mislynch instead. If that's true, then a lot of what Almost50 and BigYoshiFan did today makes more sense.

One last thing:

PeregrineV, are you scum?

Your play today doesn't look like you're legitimately trying to solve the game, even leading up towards your vote and eventual unvote of Giovanni.

So you suspect Almost50 and BigYoshi?

Assuming the whole scumteam creation theory, why does Max choose SirCakez, Almost50, and Yoshi, when he could have selected the JK claim, the kill-check claim, and you?

[Ankamius]

What makes you so sure that Maxous chose roles based on power?

Hell, what makes you so sure that Maxous was able to pick?

[BigYoshiFan]

Theory: PV is the last scum trying to force the idea of LYLO upon us.
That's where my mind is leading towards.
I don't like his setup speculation either.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: BYF

Made my decision.

[Skullduggery]

Day 9, Vote Count #5

Current Vote Count:

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Ankamius

(1)

BigYoshiFan -- JaeReed

(0)

Almost50

(0)

JaeReed

Not Voting:

Giovanni il Pellegrino, Ankamius, BigYoshiFan, Almost50, PeregrineV

With 6 votes available, it takes 4 votes to hammer.

Day 9 Will End on Saturday, January 28th, at 8 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2017-01-28 20:00:00)

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: BYF

Made my decision.

What the hell? You haven't said a word about me today.

[Almost50]

Wait! So, Gio's role has no more value to us. Yes? So, he CAN declare his targets before we go into the night and we can make use of his modifier instead. Correct?

So, here's what I think:

We NO LYNCH (we can afford only ONE more mislynch anyway, and that's if we are NOT @ MyLo already. If we ARE, then the RIGHT PLAY is to NO LYNCH, so we may progress into tomorrow in a LyLo instead).

But that's NOT it. I'm proposing Gio to follow one of Yoshi/PV and DECLARE HIS TARGET BEFOREHAND. Ank then should shoot the other.

Gio dies = his target gets lynched. Gio lives = his target is confirmed Town. We already have another flip from Ank's Vig shot, and this way we know Gio can't be shot by scum to frame his target, because it's either be:

1-Ank (who we already told him to shoot elsewhere, so if his target isn't dead he is caught scum)
2-PV/Yoshi (the one Gio was NOT supposed to floow, yet the one Ank IS supposed to shoot anyway).
3-Myself (who is confirmed Town to me, and was -an still is- willing to ea rope to prove it).

If Ank's target is dead, and Gio is alive tomorrow, we have another clear and it's Gio vs Ank and we lynch Gio first (it doesn't realyy matter though who we lynch first, since we CAN afford one mislynch and we'd only have 2 suspects left)

I need you all to analyze this plan and let me know if there are any loopholes in it.

[Almost50]

P.S. Again, my plan assumes 1 scum left. If 2, then we ARE at MyLo, and NO LYNCH is STILL the right play, but I don't know about the night action. It will come down to a strike of luck and a leap of faith. For instance, Ank HAS to be TOWN for this to work in MyLo.

[Ankamius]

I don't have a shot, Almost.

[Almost50]

I don't have a shot, Almost.

Oh, buggers! Well then, somebody should come up with a better plan for night action. If Ank can't shoot then it's Gio visiting someone and not dying for it. Might as well follow me. I have no night action, but if he is still alive tomorrow it confirms my alignment, if he dies, then I'm your lynch. I DO see the flaw i this plan because I know my own alignment, but it's what I have to offer now given Ank has no shot. If anyone has anything better now is the time to lay it out.

[JaeReed]

I mean... wouldn't it be better if we lynch Yoshi and Gio follows PV? I trust both Ank and A50.

[BigYoshiFan]

PV is the only viable lynch today IMO.
He started the day tunneling Gio, which was meh.
Attacked him for not crumbing as a weak role, which is undeniably incriminating, but also attacks him as a watcher, and I think that is where is argument becomes invalid.
Gio targeted Maxous N2, which (probably) forced Maxous to claim ascetic. He targeted Narna N4 and confirmed their investigation. He targeted MathBlade N6 and confirmed their investigation. I can see the town motivation in doing these. If you don't, tell me where his watch would have been better used.
His unvote is extremely suspicious. I don't see a town-motivation in simply giving up your scumread.
Also, can someone explain how it could be LYLO? 5v1 is not LYLO. 4v2 is MYLO. 3v2v1 is MYLO (assuming 3p is jester, right?). Even if the one considering the jester is wrong, is that even a possibility to us anymore? We not considering some other 3p. If there is a way this could be LYLO, hit me, please. I've been pondering over this for days because I thought if LYLO was proposed, it surely is a possibility, right? And I don't want to look absolutely stupid, but the way PV describes this gamestate as LYLO is like he needs a lynch in order to win. His play in the beginning of today looks like he planned to tunnel Gio, but gave up midday because no one was interested.
VOTE: PV

[BigYoshiFan]

Lynch PV and have Gio follow me. If there is a scum left, I will probably be lynching Gio then.
Jae, explain your SR on me.

[JaeReed]

I feel like you're following popular opinion a lot lately and trying to appease me & Ank. It feels like everything you've pushed lately has been jumping on a small thing one of us noted to push it as a thing.

idunno I might be wrong. My gut was pinging me like crazy there though.

Is it even possible that scum forgets I'm mechanically clear here?

[PeregrineV]

What makes you so sure that Maxous chose roles based on power?

Hell, what makes you so sure that Maxous was able to pick?

Isn't that the whole argument? There was no scum until he died?

For balance purposes, scumteam would have to be sized based on living players (13 at the time).

If Max did not pick, then how was it determined? Randomly?

Conversely, if it was pre-destined (by the mod), then every person would have to have something like a scum priority number, so that if they are alive at X point in the game, then they become scumteam, but if they are not, then the next person does.

If the scumteam was set to become scum whenever Gaster died, regardless of # of living players left, then we should be able to pinpoint the "scumteam" based on role, especially the dead ones. For example, was Titus part of the Gaster group, but died too early? If so, did Max kill her? If so, why, knowing that her being alive would help his new group win?

So basically, if people flipped from town to scum when Max died, what do you think was the logic behind the switch?

[PeregrineV]

I feel like you're following popular opinion a lot lately and trying to appease me & Ank. It feels like everything you've pushed lately has been jumping on a small thing one of us noted to push it as a thing.

idunno I might be wrong. My gut was pinging me like crazy there though.

Is it even possible that scum forgets I'm mechanically clear here?

Since you were cleared before day5, right?

I would be voting Yoshi, but I'll wait for Gio first to throw in. He's been watching Yoshi's play since at least day5.