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[Creature]

Maybe it'd have been better if I wasn't outted, I don't think scum found it out before.

[Creature]

So the deadline is 3 days and if we keep stressing out with claims that could help town tonight, we'll make scum

[Human Sequencer]

So tell me how you buy into vigRebbe when you know you're a vig AND you know there's two other killing forces in the game AND you know you didn't shoot texcat?
I don't buy it. Sell it to me.

[Creature]

Assuming you're scumreading Severa, would you let Severa claim more results or just straight lynch him?

[Creature]

So tell me how you buy into vigRebbe when you know you're a vig AND you know there's two other killing forces in the game AND you know you didn't shoot texcat?
I don't buy it. Sell it to me.

When I flip you'll probably deduce.

[Human Sequencer]

Deadline being three days is only a problem if town keeps being intellectually lazy and lurks.

I've got a lot of slots I'm willing to jump on if a wagon picks up, Severa is definitely not one of them.

[Human Sequencer]

Assuming you're scumreading Severa, would you let Severa claim more results or just straight lynch him?

Probably straight lynch them, like I did with Gin.

[Human Sequencer]

You being vig goes back to your actions earlier being justifiable, but it leaves a few questions with how you interacted with other slots.

[Creature]

Okay, I'm vigilante and I have a plausible reason to believe there's another vig around. That's enough information for scum.

[Creature]

So if we can lynch someone like ssbm or Slick, it'd be even better.

[Creature]

Don't worry, I don't think I should've been silent for too long.

[Creature]

Severa
ssbm
Slick

S wagons are neat. Which is better?

[Creature]

So far we have:
Reppe - Confirmable
Me - Confirmable
rb - Confirmed
Wraith - Will probably be nightkilled or get more results
Titus - Confirmed by Wraith

[Creature]

Maybe if we can take one of the scum factions down and make good use of the vig shots, we might reach a day where more than half the town are cleared.

[Human Sequencer]

SSBM is better.

VOTE: Kyouko

[Creature]

VOTE: Kyouko

[EchoVision]

Okay now that I have some bloody time I can explain things. Quote wall incoming.

Why did you out creature? I'm doubting that hard recently, I'm guessing you picked up on the same crumb I did.

Because outlining my suspicions of Creature's role are integral to understanding why I investigated Titus over Alisae N1.

I'll kill scum myself then.

I took this post for a Vig softclaim, especially after the series preceding it and ESPECIALLY after the one that followed:

Investigatives

Don't waste your precious checks on lurkers (unless you're some tracking-like role who thinks lurker will kill). They won't give info anyway.

I had already been getting PR vibes from Creature based on his playstyle - playing cards close to the chest - and my conclusion of "likely Vig" was due to him constantly pushing lurkers D1. I suspected it was either an attempt to provoke activity from the lurkers and thus separate town!lurkers from scum!lurkers, or to bait scum into an obvious mislynch wagon.

My suspicions of Creature being the Vig are also why I didn't believe Gin's claim whatsoever (combined with Gin loudly shouting about who he intended to "shoot"):

Yeah and it's very obviously fake. AA said it best:

I'm just using my vig shot on you, I dont care if I die claiming a power role, you're a worthy shot.

I'll self hammer at this point but lynch these slots lynched with fire after I'm dead.

Remember, the those 3 pushers of my lynch, also Echo. Let's end Day 1 please.

VOTE: Gin

SELF-HAMMERING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAY

SELF-VOTING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAY

FAKECLAIM DETECTED, EVERYONE GET YOUR VOTES ON GIN

I also think Zach's case is a decent one when (finally) viewed altogether. And those aren't the only two reasons.

It's tough because the wagon on Alisae is starting to gain steam again and rightfully so. But I'm putting more priority on the terrible, obvious fakeclaim.

Unvote

Vote: Gin

AM I GOING COMPLETELY MAD?!

So the claimed Vig threatens to use his shot on HS the following night, and then actively pushes and votes for his own lynch? And then we're

telegraphing his Vig shot in advance?

In the theoretical scenario where Gin is telling the truth and he is the Vig, and he believes he is shooting scum in Echo, why should we possibly believe scum will just allow this to happen? If we're speculating Vigs and SKs and god-knows-whatever, is it so much of a stretch to speculate that the scum have a Roleblocker handy?

How is this

POSSIBLY

pro-town activity?

and also why I'm currently

very

suspicious of Debi/Rebbe's Vig claim.

I suspected Titus picked up on the same softclaim and vibe, and that he was softclaiming a protective role, after this post:

I'll probably die N1 anyway.

Not if I have anything to say about it.

So I had a dilemma - investigate Alisae or Titus? I picked Titus because to me that would metaphorically confirm two birds with one stone in my mind. Turns out it confirmed three with one stone because the Grey/texcat flip made me firmly believe Alisae is town now.

In hindsight that was probably crucially flawed logic, but w/e. I think my scumreads at the start of the day illustrate my train of thought well enough:

Took a look at Grey/texcat's ISOs. One big thing I can take away from it is that my townread on Creature is cemented and I'm reversing on Alisae. Grey in particular did a lot to try to undermine those two players (as well as rb) early on.

Deftown

rb
Creature
Titus

Likely Town

Alisae
HS
Dunnstral

Neutral/Murky

Zach
Ircher
AA
Kyouko
Debi
drealmerz

Scumreads

Uzi
Echo
Pine
Slick

MortFeld recently pointed out a pretty crucial post Kyouko made:

General question directed mostly at Titus but any experienced players: If there's a (1-shot) BP in this setup is it town or scum?

For the record, I've been thinking about this one a lot. @kyouko why did you ask this?

Holy shit how did I miss that?

Which is pretty clearly Kyouko fishing for PRs and bumped up my 99% certainty of Scum!Kyouko to 100%. That he's asking this question makes me think there are now two possibilities:

1. Kyouko's scumteam shot Creature and think Titus protected him
2. Kyouko's scumteam shot Titus and suspect he is BP

I REALLY like this post. That seems like too complicated of a reason for scum to make up out of nowhere... I've still got a little to read but I might switch over to bdsm_tokyo soon...

[EchoVision]

You are very clearly incorrect on Severa, not only because of my read on Severa but my read on how you came to scumread Severa.
That's a vanity wagon if I ever saw one, boys.

I'm gonna go here.
VOTE: Creature
Your scumgame evolved momentarily, but it's fallen apart again. Points for effort.

So even after you town read on Wraith, you still think that severa was right about him being the gunsmith?????

[Human Sequencer]

wot

[EchoVision]

Okay, I'm vigilante and I have a plausible reason to believe there's another vig around. That's enough information for scum.

I'm assuming that Creature is an even night vig and rebbe is an odd night vig???

[Human Sequencer]

Well that makes perfect sense.

[EchoVision]

wot

Wraith came out as a cop which you seemed to believe (which i believe too, nothing against you on that) But the gunsmith (supposedly severa) had said that Wraith was armed with a gun. That means his claim is bullshit because Wraith is a cop and cops don't have fuckin guns sir...

[Human Sequencer]

Cops get a guilty from gunsmiths.

I've also stated reason to believe that Severa is VT faking gunsmith, but I'm not entirely confident in that, I'm just spitballing there.

[Zachstralkita]

What the fuck

[EchoVision]

Cops get a guilty from gunsmiths.

I've also stated reason to believe that Severa is VT faking gunsmith, but I'm not entirely confident in that, I'm just spitballing there.

oh i knew that