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[Creature]

So tell me how you buy into vigRebbe when you know you're a vig AND you know there's two other killing forces in the game AND you know you didn't shoot texcat?
I don't buy it. Sell it to me.

When I flip you'll probably deduce.

[Creature]

Okay, I'm vigilante and I have a plausible reason to believe there's another vig around. That's enough information for scum.

[Creature]

So if we can lynch someone like ssbm or Slick, it'd be even better.

[Creature]

Don't worry, I don't think I should've been silent for too long.

[Creature]

Severa
ssbm
Slick

S wagons are neat. Which is better?

[Creature]

So far we have:
Reppe - Confirmable
Me - Confirmable
rb - Confirmed
Wraith - Will probably be nightkilled or get more results
Titus - Confirmed by Wraith

[Creature]

Maybe if we can take one of the scum factions down and make good use of the vig shots, we might reach a day where more than half the town are cleared.

[Creature]

VOTE: Kyouko

[Creature]

For some reason I'm feeling drealmerz7 is more willing to revenge on players who vote him than lynching scum.

[Creature]

I didn't target anyone.

[Creature]

Two full vigilantes is indeed unbelievable.

[Creature]

1. rb
   
   
2. Alisae
   
   
3. ssbm_Kyouko
   
4. Lil Uzi Vert
   
   
5. Titus (replaces Gamma Emerald)
   
   
6. Zachstralkita
   
7. Creature
   
   
8. drealmerz7
   
   
9. MortFeld (replaces Ircher)
   
   
10. Pine
    
11. Human Sequencer
    
    
12. Wraith
    
    
13. SlickDilinger
    
14. Debi
    
    
15. EchoVision
    
16. Dunnstral
    
17. All Alone

[Creature]

I narrowed it down to seven.

[Creature]

There's probably five scum left (2 red, 3 blue), so we have 5/7 chance of hitting one of them, 19/21 to hit at least one of them with a vig, and 10/21 to hit two of them.

[Creature]

I think I mean't to include two vigs but I'm too lazy to calculate it.

[Creature]

Hey ssbm, do you agree with the PoE?

[Creature]

He's cop claim and if he's scum cop claimer scum that isn't his faction will scum kill him so he can't cop scum.

[Creature]

You all agree with Code of PoErabi?

[Creature]

VOTE: ssbm

[Creature]

We lynch Wraith and he flips cop, scum
We lynch Wraith and he flips scum, meh good
We leave Wraith to get NKed and he flips cop, well atleast we left scum to sort him for us
We leave Wraith to get NKed and he flips scum, we get to lynch another scum plus have one scum take care of the other
We leave Wraith to get NKed and he isn't NKed, more results

[Creature]

NO ONE IS GOING TO NIGHTKILL HIM. BOTH SCUM FACTIONS KNOW THAT HE IS SCUM AND NO ONE IS GOING TO TOUCH HIM.

He'll still have to claim results,

[Creature]

Wraith getting lynched and flipping cop = Scum

And I don't like that emoticon so much.

[Creature]

@Creature: Let's coordinate tonight. Who are you vigging?

Slick or Zach

[Creature]

@Creature: Let's coordinate tonight. Who are you vigging?

Slick or Zach

Why Zach?
Why Slick?

They're in my PoE and I believe both are scum.

[Creature]

VOTE: Wraith

[Creature]

If Wraith turns out to be town cop, we kill Severa.

[Creature]

If Wraith turns out to be town cop, we kill Severa.

No we don't

Scum: X isn't cop, he's lying because role reasons
X flips cop
Scum: Oh woops, sorry, I was confident he was scum

[Creature]

gunsmith gets a guilty on cop; that's why he claimed cop, and why I thought he was cop. But he claimed an inno on titus. he's not cop

Though, rolecop doesn't get an "even-night roleblocker" on cop.

[Creature]

Me: Slick or Zach
Wraith: Echo or ssbm

Are we settled?

[Creature]

Dunnstral

I claimed gunsmith because I wanted people to think that I was fakeclaiming and people wouldn't counterclaim as a result.

I am actually a role cop and Wraith is even-night roleblocker which I assumed made him scum because of how it correlated with the other side's odd-night one.

So his claiming cop has turned my 99% confirmed scumfuck into a literally confirmed scumfuck.

[Creature]

Why is no one open to shooting Drealmers7?

That's the next most likely scumslot to endgame after Wraith.

idk, we can discuss our vig shots.

[Creature]

Okay, what if my vigpool is Slick, Zach and dreal?

[Creature]

Rebbe

If Wraith flips cop, who shoots who?

[Creature]

Rebbe

If Wraith flips cop, who shoots who?

I think you should stick with ssbm and I shoot Severa.

[Creature]

Rebbe

If Wraith flips cop, who shoots who?

I think you should stick with ssbm and I shoot Severa.

[Creature]

Wrath, were you town?

[Creature]

I was undecided whether to shoot Severa or SlickDilinger tbh.

[Creature]

At least most of the players I wanted to die since the beginning of the game died.

[Creature]

Alisae, what's your opinion on RC claiming "Even-Night Roleblocker" on Wraith and him flipping something else?

[Creature]

Severa led us to a scum lynch why were you going to shoot him?

Towncred.

[Creature]

If I said I would be shooting Severa if Wraith flipped anything but Even-Night Roleblocker, I would've done that.

[Creature]

Yeah, I'm slowly regretting my decision.

[Creature]

Oh nice, we're going to focus on shading the vigilantes.

Btw, I didn't explicitly claim Even-Night Vigilante.

[Creature]

I'm happy that my scumreads are dying, and not my townreads.

[Creature]

Remember when I said yesterday that if I survived I would do a big revelation? The revelation is that I now think All Alone is town.

[Creature]

My PoE is LUV, Titus, Zach, Dunn and Severa.

[Creature]

I keep questioning: Where is LUV? Sometimes he appears and makes me townread him, but then he disappears and my doubts keep coming, he appears again, and so on and on.

[Creature]

Which from my PoE is most likely to flip scum?

[Creature]

I'm not sure if normal allows town vs 2 groupscum vs sk

[Creature]

Okay, and drealmerz7?

[Creature]

Hey, so who's scum? And forget it, there's no SK.

[Creature]

Let's try it

VOTE: drealmerz7

[Creature]

Hey, I'm following your reads currently, even if it goes against my opinion.

[Creature]

I don't think you can lynch everyone you think has shit reads.

[Creature]

Okay, let's follow you until you run out of scumreads.

[Creature]

It isn't that easy to cram a SK on a normal game with already two factions.

[Creature]

to me, "all threats have been eliminated" enhances the possibility of there being an SK in my mind.

I've seen this being used to town vs mafia setups.

[Creature]

when asked about it you switched your stance so quickly and easily. was that just cause of a reread or what sparked the change in stance

By mentally testing a scenario where town could no longer win but there were two other factions that had a chance to win, I don't really see an scenario.

[Creature]

Nah, I'm not. And I'm tired of getting lynched everytime I put effort into a game.

[Creature]

tbh I feel like Severa doesn't have any other scumread as great as Wraith, yet still tries to make us follow him.

[Creature]

Like seriously, go after an unconfirmed SK rather than confirmed scum groups?

[Creature]

Okay then:
I hate being scum
I hate and react pretty badly for pressure as either alignment
If I am pressured as town I usually attack someone who's pressuring me because I believe scum wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to lynch me as I am harder to lynch later in the game

youve been being pressured but haven't really gone after anyone other than severa and that was just in your last few posts. you seem to be responding okay so far for the little bit of pressure you're getting

My reads are more solidified currently.

[Creature]

I'm not letting you escape either if I turn out be a vigilante or some other strong power role.

this seems like fake stupidity. you know your role, why are you saying "if I turn out to be a vig"

My intention here isn't to claim vigilante.

[Creature]

Nah, because scum would rather kill the IC than an unconfirmed town.

[Creature]

while vig(s) sort out iffy slots.

Like?

[Creature]

Buddying could be scum buddying town to make them not against them.

Scumbuddying used to be a scumtell, though it isn't anymore.

And sometimes town buddies other town or possibly scum.

[Creature]

Sorry Echo, the things you pointed out aren't much realistic besides the "scum theater" point.

[Creature]

9:2:2 still isn't much town favoured.

[Creature]

Do you or do you not have a shot tonight and can you direct that at someone outside of your current scumpool?

I don't have a shot tonight.

[Creature]

tbh opposing scum lynch isn't always scum.

[Creature]

tbh opposing scum lynch isn't always scum.

Blue scumteam pulled out all the fucking stops to keep Wraith alive because they wanted his strongman kill for me. Not everyone who opposed the scum lynch is scum, but I'm sure the last remaining blue scum is someone who opposed the scum lynch.

They probably realised you were fakeclaiming.

[Creature]

Hoping for crosskills.

[Creature]

Hey scum, you better start hunting each other, the other scumteam could wipe you all out at some point if you don't.

[Creature]

FYI, I didn't shoot anyone.

[Creature]

Anyone still thinks I am a Serial Killer?

[Creature]

Alisae

Lil Uzi Vert
Zachstralkita

Creature

drealmerz7

MortFeld (replaces Ircher)

Human Sequencer

ThinkBig (replaces The Rebbe replaces Debi)

All Alone

[Creature]

I'm super up to lynch Zachstralkita today.

[Creature]

But yeah, maybe we'll need some claims there.

[Creature]

drealmerz...

[Creature]

Also, sorry for not shooting Severa before.

[Creature]

Who did ThinkBig shoot?

[Creature]

Btw, should I fullclaim what vigilante I am or do I keep this secret?

[Creature]

Okay, I don't understand the Dunnstral kill either.

[Creature]

1-shot Strongman Novice Vigilante.

Novice = Can't shot N1

[Creature]

Actually it's town one-shot novice strongman vigilante to be exact.

[Creature]

The strongman (and the 1-shot) made me believe there could have another vigilante.

[Creature]

Yes, on SlickDilinger.

[Creature]

Is there something that clears Uzi?

[Creature]

I doubt you'll shoot outside the PoE we proposed, right?

[Creature]

Btw, if we can kill off the last red scum, we might be in an auto-win position.

[Creature]

They'll still have to work together, though.

[Creature]

Unless one of them is at our townblock (which I doubt).

[Creature]

Judging the lack of PR deaths, aren't scum supposed to look for them?

[Creature]

I'm terribly wrong somewhere in my TR.

FTFY

[Creature]

Anyone up to check associatives?

[Creature]

Mini 1827.

[Creature]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8384227

[Creature]

Oh look what I found

[Creature]

Enough with your doubtcasting?

[Creature]

idk why you townread Zach.

[Creature]

Okay, let's put drealmerz to L-1.

VOTE: drealmerz7

[Creature]

Ugh, I think I hammered.

[Creature]

Yeah, there's MortFeld, ThinkBig, All Alone, Human Sequencer and me.

[Creature]

idk, tbh none of us counted votes before voting before.

[Creature]

All Alone better have a good explanation.

[Creature]

What about the redscum?

[Creature]

What do you mean what about the redscum?

According to drealmerz7, you and All Alone are scum together (aka bluescum). What about redscum?

[Creature]

Okay, that's enough, drealmerz7 wasn't hammered.

UNVOTE:

[Creature]

There was MortFeld, Human Sequencer and me. Then ThinkBig. Now dreal is back to L-2 with my unvote.

[Creature]

Guilty can be anything that is an incriminating result.

[Creature]

Even if you're doctor whom couldn't protect the strongman kill, if you were tracked to your target, it will look like you made the kill.

[Creature]

Hard evidence. You were tracked to the kill, hard evidence you did the kill. Same could be said if cop investigated miller, still a hard evidence that most likely won't be ignored.

[Creature]

Okay, All Alone, where are you?

[Creature]

I sorta think we should make everyone in the scumpool to claim.

[Creature]

So if All Alone appears online in the playerlist and takes too long to post explaining what was his guilty, then we can lynch him.

[Creature]

Guess redscum thought Wraith was a huge threat.

[Creature]

Did texcat roleblock bluescum killer?

[Creature]

Btw, can the last redscum confirm who texcat roleblocked N1 if they get lynched?

[Creature]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Guilty

[Creature]

We still have to hear from All Alone.

[Creature]

drealmerz7, I have an investigation result that suggests you're scum. please claim

(don't run him up yet. trust me, it is

imperative

that I get to chance to claim in full today)

Oh look what I found.

[Creature]

"suggests"

[Creature]

Ugh, All Alone toggled his "hide online status" setting.

[Creature]

Should we massclaim today or just pick a set of players?

[Creature]

He's PoE.

[Creature]

I'll spill. I'm a 1-Shot Friendly Neighbor.

[Creature]

Crumbs?

[Creature]

I didn't crumb.

Why Dunnstral? Why N3?

[Creature]

I think we'll be legit confused if we don't massclaim.

[Creature]

Let me see who claimed:
Alisae - Vanilla Town
Lil Uzi Vert - 1-shot Friendly Neighbor
Zachstralkita
Creature - 1-shot Novice Strongman Vigilante
drealmerz7 - Doctor
MortFeld
Human Sequencer - Vanilla Town
ThinkBig - Vigilante
All Alone - Tracker

[Creature]

Also, I think LUV slipped he isn't x-shot.

[Creature]

Zach could claim before MortFeld.

[Creature]

Lil Uzi Vert, if Dunnstral lived and were indeed investigative, who would you ask him to investigate next night in the PT?

[Creature]

No, was just testing him.

[Creature]

Let me see who claimed:
Alisae - Vanilla Town
Lil Uzi Vert - 1-shot Friendly Neighbor
Zachstralkita
Creature - 1-shot Novice Strongman Vigilante
drealmerz7 - Doctor
MortFeld
Human Sequencer - Vanilla Town
ThinkBig - Vigilante
All Alone - Tracker

[Creature]

Only Zach and Mort didn't claim and if one of the current claims is lying, then they'll most likely attack who hasn't claimed, so no need to hide.

[Creature]

Alisae - Vanilla Town
Lil Uzi Vert - 1-shot Friendly Neighbor
Zachstralkita - Vanilla Town
Creature - 1-shot Novice Strongman Vigilante
drealmerz7 - Doctor
MortFeld - 1-shot Bulletproof
Human Sequencer - Vanilla Town
ThinkBig - Vigilante
All Alone - Tracker

[Creature]

All Alone is town otherwise I don't know why Wraith has a ninja.

[Creature]

If AA was lying about his role, then Wraith's ninja was sorta useless, not?

[Creature]

Hey, Zach. Let's not setup spec by saying "I doubt there are two vigs" and blah blah blah.

I have a reason to believe there's a role like All Alone, Wraith's role.
What's your reason to not believe there can have one full vig and one 1-shot strongman vig?

[Creature]

I'm conflicted between Mortfeld, drealmerz7 and Lil Uzi Vert. I don't think they're all town.

From Mortfeld and drealmerz7, I believe atleast one of them must be town.

[Creature]

Hey, Zach. Let's not setup spec by saying "I doubt there are two vigs" and blah blah blah.

I have a reason to believe there's a role like All Alone, Wraith's role.
What's your reason to not believe there can have one full vig and one 1-shot strongman vig?

I feel like you'd be a one-shot something else.

one-shot novice strongman

[Creature]

I'm conflicted between Mortfeld, drealmerz7 and Lil Uzi Vert. I don't think they're all town.

From Mortfeld and drealmerz7, I believe atleast one of them must be town.

Between the two, I think Mortfield is town. I was strongly TRing his predecessor as well as him.

Would you rather lynch between the VTs or the PRs?

[Creature]

One-Shot (possibly Novice too) to compensate strongman.
Strongman to evade scum roleblockers, maybe BPs too.

[Creature]

At some point ago I was being accused of being an SK.

[Creature]

Hey, you don't believe the existence of two vigs but you believe the existence of two ICs.

[Creature]

Do you think there's a Doc and a BP?

[Creature]

Hey, you don't believe the existence of two vigs but you believe the existence of two ICs.

Nah I think I believe you. I don't know if I believe ThinkBig but I'm going to think on it. I just don't like it because I'm BP.

What's does IC mean?

IC = Innocent Child

Yeah, rb could confirm himself town to the entire town and LUV claims he could confirm himself town to someone. Pratically two ICs.

[Creature]

drealmerz7 should live today, maybe make him protect ThinkBig?

[Creature]

After Wake, mhsmith0 knows very well why not make scumteams identical.

[Creature]

I'm gonna request softclaims, crumbs or any hints towards your claimed role (unless you claimed VT).

[Creature]

Mine's

I'm not letting you escape either if I turn out be a vigilante or some other strong power role.

If you were a vigilante, who would you kill (not including me)?

[Creature]

Okay that's fair. Question: How did you find the crumb if you weren't Ircher?

[Creature]

Oh right.

[Creature]

Rolewise townreads are ThinkBig, All Alone and myself, guess I can't feel good enough on any other claims.

[Creature]

Does anyone remember that thread where mith pointed out the town:scum:scum distribution in multiball?

[Creature]

Okay here it is: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=68357

[Creature]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8347842

[Creature]

How many town PRs do you think town will have?

[Creature]

I think we should lynch the last red scum so scum can only kill one conftown per night.

[Creature]

6:2:1
Redscum lynched D1
6:2
ThinkBig protected
Bluescum kills town
ThinkBig kills scumpect (let's say he hits scum)
5:1
Town lynched D2
4:1
Bluescum kills town (probably ThinkBig)
ThinkBig kills scumpect (but hits town)
2:1
D3 lynch

Aka after the redscum lynch we'll have four shots to lynch the remainning scum.

[Creature]

Anyone up to redscum hunt?

[Creature]

Do you recommend lynching one of the VT claims first or do we risk in the PR claims?

[Creature]

Who's the best protection? All Alone or ThinkBig?

[Creature]

I don't think this "drealmerz7 should protect between AA and TB" a good idea as he can kill one and claim to have protected the other, easily getting away.

[Creature]

Opinions on VT claims? Who's most likely lying from the PRs?

[Creature]

Who's most likely lying from the PRs?

[Creature]

If it's 3:1:1, unless you're sure of one scum, nolynch.

If it's 2:1:1, one town should volunteer to get lynched by selfvoting. Don't worry, scum won't try to get themselves lynched here.

If it's 1:1:1, nolynch surely. If one of the remainning scum tries to lynch you, threaten to vote him and let the other scum win.

[Creature]

All Alone is confirmed town.

drealmerz7 is very likely town.

[Creature]

I think this game is pretty much won.

[Creature]

We could have drealmerz7 protect All Alone while he tracks someone (All Alone will function like a cop and I doubt there's another ninja).

[Creature]

Would scum mind giving up? Game's already over.

[Creature]

Currently we have the confirmed: All Alone, drealmerz7, ThinkBig, and the unconfirmed: Alisae, Creature, Human Sequencer, MortFeld. 3 confirmed v 4 scumpects

Let's say we lynch one of them and she flips town. We go tonight with 3 confirmed v 3 scumpects.

All Alone tracks someone and is protected (doubt there's another ninja or strongman). If scum kills, it's basically a cop result. Otherwise, we could have ThinkBig kill one of the scumpects (that All Alone isn't tracking surely).

Next day it should be 3 confirmed (AA, one of dreal/TB, AA's track target) v 2 scumpects.

Lynch one, if town, lynch the other.

[Creature]

So is last scum up to end this game quick?

[Creature]

Scum giving up?

Alisae: No
Creature: No
Human Sequencer: ???
MortFeld: No

[Creature]

Hi Human Sequencer?

Do you want to give up and end this game already?

[Creature]

Didn't mean to add the ? in the first paragraph.

[Creature]

I'll take that as a yes.

[Creature]

Scum just got unlucky at hitting the town PRs lol

[Creature]

Human already disappeared from the playerlist.

[Creature]

Creature could be scum.

If that's the case, I already lost.

[Creature]

Creature could be scum.

If that's the case, I already lost.

That's not true. One scumspect lives to LYLO.

3p LyLo with pratically two conftown (or maybe 4p MyLo with three conftown).

[Creature]

Waiting HS to post.

[Creature]

and All Alone to say who he'll track.

[Creature]

Oh look, HS is on the playerlist. Making a giant analysis post? Thinking of giving up? Analysing if he still could win as scum?

[Creature]

Online playerlist.

[Creature]

Yeah, it's most likely between Alisae and HS.

MortFeld doesn't look demotivated as last scum would be at this point.

[Creature]

Vig is fine along he doesn't vig the one being tracked.

[Creature]

If we have drealmerz7 protect ThinkBig.

D5: 3v4.
Lynch happens
N5: 3v3
Nightkill and vig happens
D6: 2v2
Lynch happens
N6: 2v1
Nightkill and vig happens
D6: 1v0
Town wins

[Creature]

Severa will lose anyway.

[Creature]

Also, maybe we could make sure drealmerz7 won't win if he's scum.

[Creature]

D5: 2v5
Lynch happens
N5: 2v4
All Alone tracks non-kill
ThinkBig vigs
Nightkill happens (on ThinkBig)
D6: 2v3
Lynch happens
N6: 2v2
Track happens
drealmerz7 (if scum) won't be nightkilled
D7: 2v1

So yeah, drealmerz7 technically loses too. Unless he can convince town there's another ninja.

[Creature]

drealmerz7 technically loses too.

If scum.

[Creature]

Though, let's first focus on the pool of {Alisae, me, HS, MortFeld}, we must sort all of them first.

[Creature]

N6: 2v2
Track happens
drealmerz7 (if scum) won't be nightkilled

Oh damn, I remembered scum will pretty much nokill at this point.

[Creature]

Nah, but I think he's very likely town anyway.

[Creature]

Leaning Alisae over HS.

[Creature]

What's the best route?

All Alone's tracks or ThinkBig's vigs?

[Creature]

What's the best route?

All Alone's tracks or ThinkBig's vigs?

Huh? Don't we do both? e.g. vig scumspect 1 track scumspect 2?

Who drealmerz7 should dedicate protecting?

[Creature]

Also, yeah

Odd-Night Roleblocker
Even-Night Strongman