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Post Post #1525 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:42 am

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In post 1521, Infinity 324 wrote:I want you to talk about this when you get the chance as well, because I am very confused about what happened to your aero read. You townread him for what seemed like very little at the time then continuously moved him down giving no explanation when to me he even got townier. What?
Bit busy at the moment and should probably eat breakfast (my hands are a little bit shaky because my body is lacking in nutrients at the moment because I went to play mafia before eating anything), but the short version is, more or less:

I liked Aeronaut's entrance into the game. Really liked it. I tend to have reasonably decent earlygame reads, and have gotten good at reading content others dismiss as useless RVS stuff. Going into theory a bit, I prefer to keep my exact process hidden (it's my exact process), both for a combination of strategic reasons and because I fucking suck at explaining the concept which my brain processes this stuff as, but basically, in essence, the scum in a game tend to stick out during the RVS because they don't yet know how to blend in. When I call people scum, I'm noting people who don't blend in; when I call people town, I'm essentially noting those that did. And Aeronaut felt like he had. This is a MASSIVE oversimplification and undersells the importance of my process, but I'm in a rush to get food in me so I might give you a better explanation later.

This is why Aeronaut was an early strong townread; I felt he was not scum with the way he came into the game.
Then, he disappeared. I still defended him, but the defense felt wrong. Therein entering the doubt. I didn't share with everyone that I was feeling said doubt, but I was. I tried to write it off--I knew he was experiencing some sort of V/LA, so surely it was that.
And then, he posted his content.

And none of it was good.

None of it was even remotely what I was expecting from him as town. The very thing making you townread him is what makes me scumread him.
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Post Post #1526 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:44 am

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In post 1523, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?
Klingon was a compromise if I couldn't get Infinity and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
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Post Post #1527 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:48 am

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In post 1522, mastina wrote:
In post 1506, Infinity 324 wrote:Ok. So heartless, desp, me, and nacho were in the rogue crew last night, and then pine joined the crew in the middle. This creeped all of us out, but gin made some towny posts in the pt so yeah.
Okay, so that's pretty blatantly a scumclaim.
Heartless, you, Desperado, and Nacho are all clearly town. That's an all-town rogue crew if ever I've seen one. (So, joining had some clear scum motivation.) Further exemplified by Nacho's death during the night. And then, you're telling me Gin made good points in the PT?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I basically taught TheRealGin-N-Tonic how to town it up behind closed doors. (Not directly, but indirectly, via my theory work. Most recently seen here, but elsewhere too.) Because, uh. Yeah. They're closed fucking doors. We can't see them. It's easier to manipulate two or three town players than it is the entire town.
I can see why scum!pine would want to join the crew, but I don't see why town!pine wouldn't per se. And killing nacho I think is just a good play overall since he's a good player who hadn't really gotten into the game yet.

Gin was reaching out and trying to figure out the game together with us in a very genuine way. It's something I rarely see scum fake so *shrug*
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Post Post #1528 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:59 am

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In post 1526, Titus wrote:and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
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Post Post #1529 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:00 am

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though I do kinda want to kill Infinity when Titus flips scum.
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Post Post #1530 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:02 am

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Have you played with scum!titus more than me? Is this seriously how she plays as scum?
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Post Post #1531 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:03 am

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I mean scum distancing from one another isn't impossible. I mean it certainly is possible that he's just town and wrong but IDK. He's worth sorting n jazz.
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Post Post #1532 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:04 am

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In post 1530, Infinity 324 wrote:Have you played with scum!titus more than me?
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Post Post #1533 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:05 am

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You didn't answer the other question :)

I really don't feel like this is titus's scum game. She is usually more in control as scum.
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Post Post #1534 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:05 am

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In post 1526, Titus wrote:this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
like this is too dumb to come from town Titus.
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Post Post #1535 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:05 am

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In post 1526, Titus wrote:this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
like this is too dumb to come from town Titus.
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Post Post #1536 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:05 am

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No, it's not
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Post Post #1537 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:07 am

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I really don't think scum!titus says dumb things, she might be intentionally faking her town meta but eh. I want to see her thought process on who could be my buddies anyway.
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Post Post #1538 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:08 am

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I mean she's dumb but not that dumb. She knows damn fucking well why this Kling wagon is there and more likely than not going to be the days lynch.
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Post Post #1539 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:11 am

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In post 1526, Titus wrote:
In post 1523, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?
Klingon was a compromise if I couldn't get Infinity and this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
It is preplanned...I wanted Kling yesterday and then she hammered without a claim.
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Post Post #1540 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:12 am

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In post 1534, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1526, Titus wrote:this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
like this is too dumb to come from town Titus.
In post 1535, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1526, Titus wrote:this Klingon lynched seeming preplanned without me worries me.
like this is too dumb to come from town Titus.
I mean it was such a good point it even posted twice.
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Post Post #1541 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:28 am

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In post 1449, Desperado wrote:I think if they were going to claim PR, town or scum, they would have done it already.
So, did he claim VT by his actions or not?
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Post Post #1542 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:57 am

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It doesn't matter what you interpret his actions as. I certainly never said that. Their actions said they were too busy to even respond to being at L1 and probably should have replaced out. But they didn't, and Kling hammered them without giving them the full allotment of time, and now we're here.
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Post Post #1543 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:58 am

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Tbf I 100% would've pushed to lynch that claim

But it's definitely to scum's benefit not to give the person a chance
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Post Post #1544 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:05 am

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In post 1542, Desperado wrote:It doesn't matter what you interpret his actions as. I certainly never said that. Their actions said they were too busy to even respond to being at L1 and probably should have replaced out. But they didn't, and Kling hammered them without giving them the full allotment of time, and now we're here.
Telling me what I think doesn't matter is an excellent way to persuade me to get on your wagon. I would have taken that as a go ahead to hammer if I didn't think the reason The Thinker was wagoned was shit. Thinker should have replaced out. You are right there.

I'd rather focus on the scum accellerating the day and forcing dumb decisions.
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Post Post #1545 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:06 am

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I wasn't accelerating shit, it was a large with 3 days left and there was no serious wagon. Of course there's cause for concern.
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Post Post #1546 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:09 am

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In post 1545, Infinity 324 wrote:I wasn't accelerating shit, it was a large with 3 days left and there was no serious wagon. Of course there's cause for concern.
You were trying to force any wagon but yourself well before 3 days.
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Post Post #1547 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:10 am

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...where
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Post Post #1548 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:15 am

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I would have quoted but you jumped votes onto major wagons under the guise of doing things, shaking things up, or biggest wagon too many times. So, basically almost every vote with a week to go.
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Post Post #1549 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:17 am

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Like, I had townreads and scumreads, they weren't a secret. I wasn't pushing randomly by any means

Again, my posts have text in them. If you don't like my reasons, explain why, but don't ignore them completely and look at my ISO as a sequence of votes.
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