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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:01 pm

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In post 817, Empking wrote:
In post 814, Grendel wrote:
In post 799, tojam2 wrote:
To clarify, Grendel has replaced FancyPants and Empking has been prodded.
THe apathy I feel in this game is stifling
I as prodded within pretty much 24 hours of the flip when my internet was down. I'm not apathetic.
Seeing that less then two pages were generated in a two day period, since this day started. That left a bad taste in my mouth.
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I think I'll start will my town reads first. They are easier to explain, and I'm more inclined to believe my town reads here then my scum reads.

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-Grey- wrote:I'll focus more on this game in the not too distant future.

I have a lot going on right this second.
Can you give a specific date?

I'd prob like to talk with you when I get the chance.
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:50 pm

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LUV


shamefully I have to admit that this read has connection with meta. In a precious game Scum!LUV played very nervously, trying to stay out of the lime light. He spent more time writing lengthy catch up posts then actually interacting with anybody. This game he has been the polar opposite, clearly making stances, accusations, keeping himself in regular communication with others. He even seems completely at home with himself here, not nearly as guarded as my pervious experience with him.

My last game with him was... only a little over a month ago. I don't think that LUV could grow that much as a scum player in that time. If LUV were scum here I'd be floored.

If I need to pull up a post by post comparison to show the major playsytle differences then I will.

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Going back to the start of game, the level at which he shut down Alisae's arguments, and the confidence that he had in his initial push felt genuine and off the cuff. In a sense that he genuinely thought that he caught scum.

I also thought his conversation with boring was incredibly town like. He want very interrogative, and discerning in his questioning her thought processes. I see no reason for scum to go out of their way to aggressively interact with a town read to get their head more into the game. Its more likely that Mafia!Grey would just let boring believe whatever, and focus in on his scum reads. Really, being aggesive towards somebody while not scum reading them is much likely to come town.

I also don't see the scum motivation for fake hammering in the situation he did. In fact I'd say that Blue blood would have been lynched several pages earlier then he had if Grey didn't fake hammer. Grey really didn't have a reason to extend the day as scum, nor would giving Blue blood an opportunity to defend himself make a lot of sense as a scum ploy. Its not like riding BlueBlood would have had major consequences considering what a wet blanket BBT was being.
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:52 pm

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I wanted to go through Fitz and Hawk too, but it seems I've expended all of my available time tonight :(

See you guys Friday.
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:31 pm

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Been going back over lynch. And I really don't like the way Fitz bailed out of the BBT lynch at the last minute. And this is his defence:
In post 787, havingfitz wrote:My vote was more from annoyance than suspicion. Wasn't that dedicated to it. So when Empire voted Ali SQUIRREL!!!!! I went back where I felt more suspect.
Looks like paniced scum to me.
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:35 pm

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Actually Grendal, why are you explaining why you're townreading people?

Also Moz I second the motion.
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:35 pm

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Moz why would scum hop off the BBT wagon?
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:50 am

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Alisae wtf is that logic? Why does Fitz bailing look like panic'd scum?? BBT flipped town? Sure Fitz wasn't the hammer nor was he sure of the Wagon. I don't understand this logic from Moz or from Alisae.

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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:52 am

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In post 818, Alisae wrote:
A. Why would a mason counter claim?
B. That's NAI for me. Try again.
C. You're still holding my bad push against Grey against me? Okay well I thought it was scum!grey cuz he was playing more careful but then I remembered this was Grey's towngame so far.

Why am I townreading this again?
A) Well...I never said a mason would CC you but I suppose there is the chance an experienced one might.

Here are my issues with your page 1 mason claim:
- not bringing up the masons in discussion is of no value to the scum in finding masons.
- bringing up masons in discussion gives the scum information to work with based on how people react to the mason discussion.
- claiming mason on D1 when you aren't is assinine. And anti-town i.e. scummy.

B) OK...thanks for providing your self-meta factoid for me to disregard.

C) I don't even remember what my problem wrt Grey was. It was 700 posts ago.

And when this was initially posted you were town reading me. But now when it is referenced you ask why you are townreading me. On that note...I find it offensive to be referred to as "this". If you are too lazy to type out havingfitz or fitz..HF works fine.

Not listed for reason of suspicion towards you are your posts and . In the 249 you have Grey firmly at the bottom of your reads list and your vote is on him (he's at L-3). In 251 ..you proceed to place a lone vote Snowman, who had a totoal of two post up to this point, and skip over an entire tier of suspects (BBT, Uzi, Empking). So I found your hop off a wagon that had real potential for your main suspects to start a wagon on a a super lurker to be very scummy. Like you know Grey is going to flip town and you really don't want any part of it.

I also felt you sheeping the Hawk wagon only to hold Hawk suspicions against BBT to be bs. Why did that exchange have to be TvS? Why not TvT? And as BBT flipped town...why doesn't the earlier TvS assessment still hold. i.e. why isn't Hawk scum as a result of the BBT flip?

So now you sheep moz's poor vote on me for being panicked. How was I panicked? For being frustrated at BBT's pathetic whiny ass for having a sore magina? I'm not totally opposed to the occasional policy lynch but I didn't think he was scum and deciding to go back to you is not panic (
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And I can guarantee you if your wagon gets in position to achieve a lynch I will not be hopping off.

More people need to vote Alisae.


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And moz...I haven't really paid that much attention to you because I've been more interested in other players but your ~play deserves a closer look.

Why would you call Ali's play prelynch worrisome and then vote the person pushing her wagon?
And please explain more about the panicking I did wrt the BBT lynch.
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:53 am

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In post 830, Alisae wrote:Moz why would scum hop off the BBT wagon?
Derpyderpderp. I wonder. Get to your point lol
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:03 am

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@Fitz what do you think of Grendel's catchup?

@Grendel while I would like to hear more about why you are Town leaning people would you do me a favor and Explain why you dislike Anti?
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:14 am

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In post 834, Hawk wrote:@Fitz what do you think of Grendel's catchup?
TBD.

Haven't really read his assessments yet.
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:29 am

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boring provided me with these more traditional VCs from Day 1, so I'm posting them.


End of Page 3 Vote CountMozamis (2): FancyPants, Empking
-Grey- (2): Hawk, ConManMick
Alisae (1): -Grey-
Lil Uzi Vert (1): Alisae
FancyPants (1): mozamis

Not voting (6): SnarkySnowman, boring, Antihuman, havingfitz, BlueBloodedToffee, Lil Uzi Vert



End of Page 6 Vote Count-Grey- (3) Hawk, ConManMick, boring
Alisae (2): -Grey-, havingfitz
mozamis (2): FancyPants, Empking
FancyPants (1): mozamis

Not voting (4): SnarkySnowman, Antihuman, BlueBloodedToffee, Lil Uzi Vert



End of Page 9 Vote Count-Grey- (4) Hawk, ConManMick, boring, Alisae
Alisae (3): -Grey-, havingfitz, Empking
mozamis (2): FancyPants, Antihuman
Empking (1): Lil Uzi Vert
havingfitz (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not voting (2): SnarkySnowman, mozamis



End of Page 12 Vote CountEmpking (4): Lil Uzi Vert, boring, Alisae, Hawk
Alisae (2): havingfitz, Empking
mozamis (2): FancyPants, Antihuman
-Grey- (1): ConManMick
havingfitz (1): BlueBloodedToffee
ConManMick (1): mozamis

Not voting (2): SnarkySnowman, -Grey-



End of Page 15 Vote CountEmpking (4): Lil Uzi Vert, boring, Alisae, Hawk
mozamis (3): FancyPants, Antihuman, -Grey-
Alisae (2): havingfitz, Empking
-Grey- (1): ConManMick
havingfitz (1): BlueBloodedToffee
ConManMick (1): mozamis

Not voting (1): SnarkySnowman



End of Page 18 Vote CountEmpking (3): Lil Uzi Vert, Alisae, Hawk
mozamis (3): FancyPants, Antihuman, -Grey-
Alisae (2): havingfitz, Empking
-Grey- (1): ConManMick
havingfitz (1): BlueBloodedToffee
ConManMick (1): mozamis

Not voting (2): SnarkySnowman, boring



End of Page 21 Vote CountEmpking (3): Lil Uzi Vert, Alisae, Hawk
mozamis (3): FancyPants, Antihuman, -Grey-
Hawk (3): BlueBloodedToffee, havingfitz, boring
Alisae (1): Empking
ConManMick (1): mozamis

Not voting (2): SnarkySnowman, ConManMick



End of Page 24 Vote CountBlueBloodedToffee (5): Antihuman, -Grey-, Alisae, Hawk, boring
mozamis (2): FancyPants, BlueBloodedToffee
Empking (1): Lil Uzi Vert
Hawk (1): havingfitz
Alisae (1): Empking
ConManMick (1): mozamis

Not voting (2): SnarkySnowman, ConManMick



End of Page 27 Vote CountBlueBloodedToffee (5): Antihuman, Hawk, boring, Lil Uzi Vert, Alisae
mozamis (2): FancyPants, BlueBloodedToffee
Hawk (1): havingfitz
Alisae (1): Empking
ConManMick (1): mozamis

Not voting (3): SnarkySnowman, ConManMick, -Grey-



Day 1 Lynch Vote CountBlueBloodedToffee (7): Antihuman, Hawk, boring, Lil Uzi Vert, Alisae, ConManMick, SnarkySnowman
mozamis (2): FancyPants, BlueBloodedToffee
Alisae (2): Empking, havingfitz

Not voting (2): -Grey-, mozamis
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:36 am

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VC 2.1


Alisae (L-3) - havingfitz, Hawk, Empking
havingfitz (L-4) - Alisae, mozamis
Empking (L-5) - Lil Uzi Vert

(expired on 2017-02-07 15:56:00)
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:44 am

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In post 837, tojam2 wrote:
VC 2.1


Empking (L-5) - Lil Uzi Vert
Alisae (L-4) - havingfitz, Hawk
havingfitz (L-4) - Alisae, mozamis

(expired on 2017-02-07 15:56:00)

Fixed!
In post 804, Empking wrote:
Vote: Ali
- Nothing's changed on that front.
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:45 am

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In post 817, Empking wrote:
In post 814, Grendel wrote:
In post 799, tojam2 wrote:
To clarify, Grendel has replaced FancyPants and Empking has been prodded.
THe apathy I feel in this game is stifling
I as prodded within pretty much 24 hours of the flip when my internet was down. I'm not apathetic.
My bad, the 3 days 10 hours (or there abouts) threw me off.
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:40 am

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In post 829, Alisae wrote:Actually Grendal, why are you explaining why you're townreading people?

Also Moz I second the motion.
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I really don't like the avatar changing. I was ready to bark at this post before realising it was from Ali (for whom there are more interesting things tio remark).
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:09 am

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In post 809, Empking wrote:
In post 808, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah I still don't understand.

The reasons I'm scum reading you have barely anything to do with BBT. I don't see why his flip would make me reconsider why I was scum reading you.
Would BBT flipping scum have increased your read on me?
Probably not.
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:10 am

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In post 821, Alisae wrote:Good reasons.
You wanna know who also has been lacking pro-town play?
Snowman and Mick.
Why did you deflect here? He was talking about you, not them.
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:22 am

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The only way Alisae's d1 play makes any kind of sense is from the perspective of a mason trolling for reactions. That's why I flipped my read so hard yesterday.

His little "Masons with Transcend" gambit makes perfect sense if the real Masons knew he wasn't fishing them out... which they would if he was one...

Also, his whole attitude yesterday was "fuck you, I'm untouchable".

Get the fuck off Alisae and find scum.
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:24 am

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In post 832, havingfitz wrote:A) Well...I never said a mason would CC you but I suppose there is the chance an experienced one might.
I think you genuinely townslipped.
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:25 am

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In post 832, havingfitz wrote:C) I don't even remember what my problem wrt Grey was. It was 700 posts ago.
You're using it as an arguement against me. Cool.
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:26 am

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In post 842, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 821, Alisae wrote:Good reasons.
You wanna know who also has been lacking pro-town play?
Snowman and Mick.
Why did you deflect here? He was talking about you, not them.
Thats how I handle pressure.
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:28 am

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VOTE: Alisae
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:30 am

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OH! SO NOW YOU'RE ATTACKING ME FOR PLAYSTYLE.
HI SCUM!UZI, HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
MIND HOLDING THIS OMGUS FOR ME?
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:40 am

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VOTE: Uzi

Get off the mason.
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