Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Nero Cain]

Titus
Mastin

Pine?
Kling?
AJ?
Piper?


Like Kling is an acceptable lynch today but Titus' "herrr durrr, I dunno why Kling is getting ran up" is scum.

[mastina]

I would also ask, the same group you keep.
have a feeling it was town(ish), and in scum tried to seep.

Indeed, though it makes me wonder why you're voting Desperado when the rogue leader would default to Heartless by my understanding. (I suppose it stops scum from making a last-minute vote for rogue leader that is someone we don't want, but otherwise not much point.) The rogue leader was Heartless yesterday, so the best way to 100% guarantee the picks are the same is to elect Heartless again (which happens by default). Desperado was on the crew, and as far as we know would go along with the same picks plan, but it's not quite the same level of certainty.

With Heartless, it's 99% certain; with Desperado, more like 95%. That's not a stark enough difference in percentages where I'm gonna bother fighting (Desp is probably town and probably will pick the same people), but it's still something worth noting.

[mastina]

All of your posts are whining about being wagoned/scumread and not actually scumhunting.

Pot, kettle, black.

[TheWayItEnds]

change in rogue leader requires a majority i believe

so last minute changes are unlikely

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Rogue Leader: Desperado

I would also ask, the same group you keep.

like if any of Pine, Desp, Infinity or Heartless ever flip scum then this is prob scum too but there are exactlty two scum in Titus and Mastin so if it is a 4 man team then thats half thier team.

[mastina]

Nacho wasn't universally townread in the crew either.

First, going off on a tangent: this would be one of the reasons I so adamantly hate with a passion neighborhoods where the neighbors insist on hiding the nature of their discussions. Hide roles! Hide mechanics! That's what you hide in a neighborhood: you claim them there, but not in-thread.
Hash out reads! Use the time to discuss! Talk things out as much as you want, especially during the night when the thread is locked! These, too, you can and should be doing in a neighborhood.

...But by god, when you discuss reads in your neighborhood,

you better the fuck bring that info out

, because NOBODY gains anything except ten levels of frustration at "lol, u so out of loop" responses from those within.

Second. Now that we have established Nacho was not a universal townread within the crew (something I didn't know), that would only be evidence to strengthen my posit: Nacho not being universally townread within the crew is a GREAT way for the scum to get away with killing him. Less likely to be protected, and less likely to be, saaaaay, watched. So, killing a strong player who the town wasn't trusting yet before said player could be fully trusted--that sounds an awful lot like Pine's modus operandi as scum. (Admittedly yes it'd be mine as well, but he and I picked up the trick at loosely the same time. Him, probably a bit before me if I'm fully honest, given games like Mirror Mafia among others.)

[Drunken Piper]

I don't think Pine is scum

he is, dont put him in crew.
this is a thing you shouldnt do.

[Nero Cain]

If you think Pine is scum why did you want him in the crew earlier?

[Nero Cain]

or nevermind I guess. He wasn't added.

[Drunken Piper]

VOTE: Rogue Leader: Desperado

I would also ask, the same group you keep.

like if any of

Pine,

Desp, Infinity or Heartless ever flip scum then this is prob scum too but there are exactlty two scum in Titus and Mastin so if it is a 4 man team then thats half thier team.

I don't think Pine is scum

he is, dont put him in crew.
this is a thing you shouldnt do.

[Nero Cain]

he's just there....

[Nero Cain]

or nevermind I guess. He wasn't added

.

[Drunken Piper]

now vote pine.
and everything will be fine.

[Desperado]

I also don't understand why scum-Pine even uses what is apparently such an obvious scum power.

[Nero Cain]

why would town Pine use it?

[Drunken Piper]

VOTE: Rogue Leader: Desperado

I would also ask, the same group you keep.
have a feeling it was town

(ish), and in scum tried to seep.

[Desperado]

why would town Pine use it?

??? Because it's part of his role and he doesn't need to be alive to win the game?

[Desperado]

I don't think it's controversial to suggest that town Pine is more likely to use a scummy seeming power than scum Pine would be.

[Drunken Piper]

unvote: Rogue Leader Desperado

VOTE: Rogue Leader: Heartless.

[Pine-A-Tonics]

This is conformable by other members of the RC but there are two key things that are missing here.

1) There was one reason I used the ability, that was to talk to Nacho. Otherwise I never would have joined the crew.
2) While in the crew, I had one simple question for Nacho and if IIRC it was,

"Nacho, you and Mastina are like blood. Can I trust her?"

Nacho made 1 post in the crew but never actually answered that question.

I think you can start to connect the dots in why Nacho, who wasn't presenting himself as a threat, needed to go N1. My hypothesis is that Mastina is so daftly afraid of Nacho being able to call her shit out that he held priority over everyone else.

/Gin

[Pine-A-Tonics]

Yo there is this animated series called Star Wars: The Clone Wars and it's actually pretty freaking lit. If you wanna binge it with me be my guest

[Heartless]

unvote: Rogue Leader Desperado

VOTE: Rogue Leader: Heartless.

unnecessary

we're rogue leader by default unless someone else gets majority

[Heartless]

This is conformable by other members of the RC but there are two key things that are missing here.

1) There was one reason I used the ability, that was to talk to Nacho. Otherwise I never would have joined the crew.
2) While in the crew, I had one simple question for Nacho and if IIRC it was,

"Nacho, you and Mastina are like blood. Can I trust her?"

Nacho made 1 post in the crew but never actually answered that question.

I think you can start to connect the dots in why Nacho, who wasn't presenting himself as a threat, needed to go N1. My hypothesis is that Mastina is so daftly afraid of Nacho being able to call her shit out that he held priority over everyone else.

/Gin

that is one thought. and the first one i had.

the other is one i'll hold off on at least until mastin posts again.

[Heartless]

i see mastin actually touched on it in her last post

Second. Now that we have established Nacho was not a universal townread within the crew (something I didn't know), that would only be evidence to strengthen my posit: Nacho not being universally townread within the crew is a GREAT way for the scum to get away with killing him. Less likely to be protected, and less likely to be, saaaaay, watched. So, killing a strong player who the town wasn't trusting yet before said player could be fully trusted--that sounds an awful lot like Pine's modus operandi as scum. (Admittedly yes it'd be mine as well, but he and I picked up the trick at loosely the same time. Him, probably a bit before me if I'm fully honest, given games like Mirror Mafia among others.)

the "other thing" i was thinking of was "kill someone low profile to evade a protective"

last i knew mastin is a "screw the protectives, kill who you want" type of scumbag, i kind of didn't expect this answer from her :\ i sort of expected a spiel about who she would kill if she were scum.

[Klingoncelt]

@klingon I'm willing to give you a chance, but you need to explain why me and desp must be scum pushing a mislynch and not town coming to a logical conclusion based on the gamestate.

I'm Town.

Both of you can shove the backpedaling.

Desperado comes out of nowhere with no case declaring me to be Scum, trying hard to get me lynched. Normally that pisses me off, but this time there's an extra layer, unless this fucker's got an alt we've never played together before, which makes his no-case focus on me creepy and stalker-ish.

He finally tells me to vote for Thinker. I do. Thinker could be Scum, they were one of my compromise lynches. They flip Town and Desperado calls me Scum for hammering them. He says they weren't given time to claim.

The stalking fucker set me up.

He's Scum, I'm sure of it.

Not that you're much better. You ridiculed me for voting for you when you were getting the votes for Rogue Leader, then you went after another player (I forget who) that was voting for Heartless when they were leading the Rogue Leader votes.

It's not unusual in the early game for Scum to get picked for special roles.

Your argument against me and that other player based on popularity was completely without merit.