In Memory

[The DEO]

*munches on cookies while staring at their flute.....*

Man this game is slow.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Look, if ywall wanna shoot KC, fine.
but Zef needs rope, alright?

If someone wants to shoot me, fine, I don't expect to make it to endgame.

Just shoot DEO first, please, for they are Scum.

You should have figured out by now that it's not okay to bet against me.
~~Supergirl Season 2 Episode 4

Quote applies

Are you Roulette?

Pedit: FA -- Reread my post No one is on so I'd rather talk here if I can. If you don't understand look at my ISO.

~~Math

[The DEO]

The cookies aren't old. They were delivered around sunset. Don't expire for a little while longer.
Cookies match...Just ingredients altered a bit from first try. Chef puts it in oven and lets them bake properly.
~~Math

[The DEO]

Recipe submitted D1 sped up baking. Those cookies didn't have as long but were very fruitful. Baked using an express timer. Expires end of D2.
Recipe submitted D2 normal baking. Those ingredients were shaped like donuts. Expires end of D3.
Recipe submitted D3 normal baking....Yum. Suggested expire date end of D4.

~~Math

Cookies taste fine.

[The DEO]

That's what I see...Cookies seem fine. Not sure what you see as issue?

But please perform health inspection. Can't hurt.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Recipients of cookies were distinct all three days?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Days is a loose term here*

[The DEO]

N1/D2 belonged with Person A
N2/D3 belonged with Person B
N3/D4 belonged with Person C

Far as I know person B and C ate cookies. Don't really see where a "choice" happens. It's just so tempting.
Unless the question got changed same cookies.
~~Math

[The DEO]

I know there is no N1 that is a placeholder.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I am 99999.999999% sure Person A ate it as well.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing

People eat my cookies at nights - not in days

I'm sure the person who had the cookie during d3 didn't eat it n3.

...The question asked to me about cookies was not about you.

~~Math

[The DEO]

This is weird.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I asked that question about the person who you can interrogate.

They are the cookie provider and you are the one with cookie tonight

Now do you know what is a cookie? I know the person who had cookie yesterday didn't get to eat it at night cause the cookie provider changed the recipient. I asked you to ask them how.

I know the person who had cookie yesterday didn't get to eat it at night cause the cookie provider changed the recipient.

Cookie provider chooses providers at day only. They do not change during the night. I have asked and confirmed this. The underlined statement is wrong.

Cookies are provided at start of night and mandatory.

[The DEO]

~~Math*

[The DEO]

chooses recipients*
~~Math

[The DEO]

The person in the question asked of whom I interrogate their cookies are eaten at night and finished by EoD.
Remember there is no N1.

~~Math

[The DEO]

D2 -- One person
N2/D3 another
N3/Today another person

All three distinct.

Write out what you think is the case please.

~~Math

[The DEO]

D2/N2/N3 One person
D3 Someone else
now you

You had the last night cookie?

Yes it is the same cookie.
N3/D4 = my cookie = same

It is you that has bad understanding.

N1/D2 = One person
N2/D3 = Another
N3/D4 = Us

~~Math

[The DEO]

wait

I need to check something

I think I figured this out

It is 2:30 here...Is this something that will be quick to wait on or can I go to bed?

~~Math

[The DEO]

you can go to bed

My townblock is now increased significantly

Glad you are on the same page now. Going to bed.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Who do you townread?

~~Math

[The DEO]

mhs and drealm to start with

Agreed on MhSmith. Drealmerz is likely town keep going...

(I will get Titus head on board later if she doesn't agree)

~~Math

[The DEO]

They*

My goal in Shadowrun was to buddy FA and JaeReed. Look at that PT.

True love will conquer your misunderstandings and tunnels.

[The DEO]

~~Math^^

[The DEO]

ahhh

True love is another reason I'm not so sure about you

is that related to your flavor or there is some other reason for that?

Pop sickle sticks are grape

I work for UPS.

[The DEO]

~~Math

[The DEO]

Excuse me while I facepalm and pray for vodka at the entire last few pages. I shall gather my composure tomorrow.

ObvTitus

[The DEO]

But not exactly UPS <3

~~Math

Titus you don't need vodka very few players are possibly scum and now they attack us.

They cannot stop the hydra plus.

We will lynch all the scums and love will reign.

[The DEO]

Deo if you had a dayvig restricted on postie and aliese which one would you shoot?

Neither. But I would ask Titus head but I would shoot neither.

~~Math

[The DEO]

You gonna answer my question on townreads?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Then outside of it who if any are townreads?

[The DEO]

~~Math ^^

[The DEO]

Deo if you had a dayvig restricted on postie and aliese which one would you shoot?

You.

~Titus

[The DEO]

I am the one who brought up the cookies

I am sure titus knows what I meant and math knows that now

drop any cookie conversation

I will read this.

[The DEO]

How is cookie interrogation going?

You want more clarification? if yes you have to tell me if you trust aliese enough to let me be more direct

Math was not referencing any crumb with the cookies.

We are focusing on a discrepancy. Namely, how mhsmith is claiming boosted

[The DEO]

I asked that question about the person who you can interrogate.

They are the cookie provider and you are the one with cookie tonight

Now do you know what is a cookie? I know the person who had cookie yesterday didn't get to eat it at night cause the cookie provider changed the recipient. I asked you to ask them how.

We don't directly interrogate FA.

[The DEO]

You should

You have direct access

We do Titus is derping.

~~Math

[The DEO]

You should

You have direct access

Miscommunication. Sorry. Too many hoods in this.

[The DEO]

JaeReed and FA - remember Math doing it in that other game, where they talked about baby names?

They did a lot of talking and NO SCUMHUNTING.

Here we are, DAY 4 and Titus hasn't used her sooper secret townbloc powers to tunnel any scumz.

Titus is not MathBlade, and MathBlade is not Titus.

Yes they are in the same slot, but that doesn't mean one person's meta should apply to the other.

yeah her point is math is doing shit and titus havent activated her moonlogic lazer beams poe game slover which is worrying me as well.

I have.

Postie and Gamma are my two never die slots.

[The DEO]

oO

I thought you were talking Supergirl to FA.

[The DEO]

I have.

Postie and Gamma are my two never die slots.

That makes no sense cause I know what do you know about their roles and that feels so naive?

Ok, call me naive then. They are my never lynch pool.

Can we lynch mhsmith?

[The DEO]

Agreed Titus stop it.

~~Math

[The DEO]

definitely not

mhs is town

Meh Math agrees. I still think he's scum.

[The DEO]

definitely not

mhs is town

Meh Math agrees. I still think he's scum.

You have the information to see that - why your disagreeing?

Rolecop and I feel everyone else is town or town idiot.

[The DEO]

Maybe i could do zefiend...

[The DEO]

Maybe i could do zefiend...

Town idiots are town.

Zefiend or KC or Creature.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Rolecop and I feel everyone else is town or town idiot.

why are you sure aliese and postie are town?

Because i say so. Suikoden powers. Shiny gut. Brain power Poe. Half baked vca.

[The DEO]

VOTE: The DEO

^^^ Idiot. See the point.

[The DEO]

Titus just stop...Seriously...

Postie scum requires JaeReed scum which means mhsmith scum which means Drealmerz scum. Just like impossible.
Alisae scum requires some sort of deception of <redacted> which hasn't happened yet far as I know and Gamma is alternate double vote.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: The DEO

^^^ Idiot. See the point.

I get called idiot by Titus very very often.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: The DEO

^^^ Idiot. See the point.

I get called idiot by Titus very very often.

~~Math

No you get called acting dumb.

You've proven not to be an idiot.

[The DEO]

That's ok. I have seen worse Drealmerz.

[The DEO]

Rolecop and I feel everyone else is town or town idiot.

why are you sure aliese and postie are town?

Because i say so. Suikoden powers. Shiny gut. Brain power Poe. Half baked vca.

I'm not convinced

and I'm really smart so you can't call me an idiot to dismiss this

You're not the idiot. Drealmerz is.

[The DEO]

Drealmerz is left alive to shoot the block chain because dumb. So SK or derp town.
JaeReed town or scum with mhsmith (cannot see JaeReed as scum not using power on a buddy).
Postie town due to vca and dead scum.
Gamma scum bc not two scum in hood and gut.

Or short version what I gave you.

(All unsigned are Titus aka me).

[The DEO]

*Gamma not scum

[The DEO]

Klingon and zefiend are kinda meh to me. I wouldn't mind either of them but I feel iffy on it. Klingon is displaying overt Titus paranoia.

[The DEO]

what about Vax or rach make postie townier?

Look at their vote history and interactions with dead scum or prob scum.

[The DEO]

Titus just stop...Seriously...

Postie scum requires JaeReed scum which means mhsmith scum which means Drealmerz scum. Just like impossible.
Alisae scum requires some sort of deception of <redacted> which hasn't happened yet far as I know and Gamma is alternate double vote.

~~Math

nah postie scum doesn't need the following tail I know everything about that

gamma being alternate double voter is not relevant looking at the rest of setup

and If there is tone read on aliese and you beleiving they dedn't deceive you - Thats an acceptable answer <

Never played with Alisae can't have a tone read on her.

And if Alisae was scum she would have lied about <redacted>. Therefore she is Town.

Seriously. If there is any potential scum in this chain it is you FA. No one else in the chain is scum to me. I townread you but not as much as the others.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Pony, of course I remember Danish Cookies.

I cited Danish game d1.

[The DEO]

I accept the not 2 scum on initial hood reason too

pedit : Thats postie, I wont trust your vca

I read their interactions with them. I know they were the first one who brought that read up - we don't know waht rach was and there might be a 4 scum as traitor in this game

Ok, i get not trusting my vca until tomorrow, but I am gunna be annoyed if you ask for my reasons and discount them

[The DEO]

*shrug* We don't get what you're doing....

[The DEO]

VOTE: zefiend [/vote]

[The DEO]

VOTE: zefiend

[The DEO]

Honestly I still haven't heard a single FA read FA what are your reads?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Town read*

[The DEO]

I am going to back to being bored, shit posting, and waiting for people to lynch mhsmith and settling for acceptable reads meanwhile.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Its fine math

I'm always a werid one

@Titus I just gave my townreads 1 or 2 pages ago

as I said I will refuse to comment on the chain for good reasons

Math wanted your reads.

I just wanna lynch mhsmith. I could settle fot zefiend and gun to my head Klingon.

I am pretty much solved atm.

[The DEO]

it was coming, and I saw more of it coming...and I voted...and then more came!

suikoden powers!

Lmao, Suikoden powers is my best town game ever. I am laughing hard atm.

[The DEO]

it was coming, and I saw more of it coming...and I voted...and then more came!

suikoden powers!

Post game no context quotes thread.

Drealmerz stop. It will make sense later.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Ok, i get not trusting my vca until tomorrow, but I am gunna be annoyed if you ask for my reasons and discount them

ah I'm not discounting your VCA

I'm saying its totally possible for poste!scum to be pusing rach!scum not knowing what she was

Mod: What variant of Traitor do you use?

Possibly but meh, not inclined to buy it. I need to do visual art.

[The DEO]

Ok, i get not trusting my vca until tomorrow, but I am gunna be annoyed if you ask for my reasons and discount them

ah I'm not discounting your VCA

I'm saying its totally possible for poste!scum to be pusing rach!scum not knowing what she was

.....I don't believe this.
Because of something in my interrogation.
There is 0% chance Postie is scum.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I feel like this.

[The DEO]

maybe mathblade is town....

and titus is scum...

Drealmerz we are one slot. Wtf.

~~Math

[The DEO]

maybe mathblade is town....

and titus is scum...

We share an alignment, but this is the most inadvertently smart thing you've said...

[The DEO]

and I find it odd cause the thing you know is not enough for that townread

My farts smell like shit is enough for a TR the mood I am in.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Ok, i get not trusting my vca until tomorrow, but I am gunna be annoyed if you ask for my reasons and discount them

ah I'm not discounting your VCA

I'm saying its totally possible for poste!scum to be pusing rach!scum not knowing what she was

.....I don't believe this.
Because of something in my interrogation.
There is 0% chance Postie is scum.

~~Math

Your interogation with postie wasn't completed

I have a more complete version of details than you or jae

Stop outing chain members. I highly doubt you do otherwise you would realize Vax isn't lynched with Postie scum.

~~Math

[The DEO]

oh so you're a traitor, DEO?

There is not a facepalm big enough for this.

[The DEO]

or do you switch alignments dependingon the fucking DAY?!

Ok, this is Aeronaut's drunken game drealmerz

[The DEO]

Stop outing chain members. I highly doubt you do otherwise you would realize Vax isn't lynched with Postie scum.

huh?

how is vax lynch relevant to postie?

Postie claimed stuff to me - eiether their lies or your making shit up

You're insinuating Postie and us are a 1 v 1? O.o?

[The DEO]

JaeReed told me what Postie claimed to him. Vax would not be lynched with what was claimed.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Stop outing chain members. I highly doubt you do otherwise you would realize Vax isn't lynched with Postie scum.

Your idiot I never outed anything - you just did >.>

Vodka. Lots of vodka.

[The DEO]

To them*

~~Math

Sorry jaeReed

[The DEO]

I love how

Can i has hugs JaeReed? I have to go fix Postie's broken heart for reading this nonsense, but I am not sure how much I can take?

[The DEO]

Drealmerz is off his meds. I am sorry if I caused it. We need to contain that again.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Sorry I went overboard Drealmerz.

[The DEO]

Drealmerz is in outer space though.

[The DEO]

unless postie is scum with deoand they bussed vax there

I left you a danish.

[The DEO]

LOL

I know what are you trying to say

first her claim is not proved but I accept it. That was a nice point - I forgot the way you lolhammered vax and what she could do

but there are stuff even jae have no idea about

Wtf why don't you out everyone huh?

~~Math

[The DEO]

LOL

I know what are you trying to say

first her claim is not proved but I accept it. That was a nice point - I forgot the way you lolhammered vax and what she could do

but there are stuff even jae have no idea about

Wtf why don't you out everyone huh?

~~Math

Math let it go...

[The DEO]

unless postie is scum with deoand they bussed vax there

Yes because I bus Vax and likely RM and when there is another claimed killer I try to get them lynched because I think I can survive 2000 mislynches supposedly on my own when every fucking game I am a mislynch opportunity waiting to happen. Because that makes sense.

The above is sarcastic.

~~Math

[The DEO]

you mean you're sorry you tipped your hand so much AGAIN

ugh, anyway, I gotta go to bed

if no one listen to me about you...well, it's nothing new!

hey wait maybe I can get zefiend on board, is he already on board?

GOGO 2 LEAST-TRACTIONHAVING PLAYERS ON THE DEO LYNCH GOOO!!!

I have been town in our two completed games....there's a reason why you fail....

[The DEO]

bout 4am, I'm off...

Dude, do not post after 2 AM. Please.

[The DEO]

unless postie is scum with deoand they bussed vax there

Yes because I bus Vax and likely RM and when there is another claimed killer I try to get them lynched because I think I can survive 2000 mislynches supposedly on my own when every fucking game I am a mislynch opportunity waiting to happen. Because that makes sense.

The above is sarcastic.

~~Math

if you are scum with postie RM was your traitor and that explains why she never fought back vax was at L1 for some reasons - and was generally a scumlean of everyone

I can see you + postie team bussying

Ok, apparently my hydra partner and FA need to go to the moon for a bit. Whatever gets zefiend roped.

[The DEO]

I am off to bed.

Gn.

Love y'all.

Titus

[The DEO]

unless postie is scum with deoand they bussed vax there

Yes because I bus Vax and likely RM and when there is another claimed killer I try to get them lynched because I think I can survive 2000 mislynches supposedly on my own when every fucking game I am a mislynch opportunity waiting to happen. Because that makes sense.

The above is sarcastic.

~~Math

if you are scum with postie RM was your traitor and that explains why she never fought back vax was at L1 for some reasons - and was generally a scumlean of everyone

I can see you + postie team bussying

Seriously. You should know what a hydra plus means and this is where you end up?

Like I can't even.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Drealmerz, go back to bed. It's hard enough getting scum lynched without you mucking things up. Then, come back at me when you can have a coherent theory and a rational discussion.

[The DEO]

Even I can see that crumb and that your reads are voting me bad, voting DEO good.

[The DEO]

Objection!!! << I feel like Phoenix Wright here.

Assume Lycanfire and Drealmerz both Town.
Then Zefiend cannot be group scum unless someone else is BP.
The first page of the setup says the only 3P possible is an SK.
Unless you wish to assume scum shot Lycanfire.

I highly doubt a doctor would have gotten the right target at night.

VOTE: Unvote

So either zefiend is lying to try to figure out how many shots the BP has or is Town and was probably shot already.

I wish time to look into this.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Setup Information:
1) The setup is confirmed as having 11 Town-Aligned players and 3 Scum-Aligned players. The 15th player's alignment may be {Town, Scum, Serial Killer}. Traitors and similar count as scum.

This is from the first post.

Please stop suggesting bastard things when the first page says not bastard. (I.e. Alignment changes, mod lying about setup etc)

~~Math

[The DEO]

Drealmerz practically screamed he was vigging Lycanfire.
So assume Drealmerz is Town vig or SK (not group scum).

This means scum likely knew Drealmerz was going to shoot Lycanfire.
At that point shooting Lycanfire is a waste.

So this means we have two nights where scum have no kill.
We have a one shot BP claim.
What is the most logical answer?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Oh right no night one.

Okay one night with no scum night kill.

So either RM was 1shot BP and loved which I doubt or zefiend is 1shot BP or zefiend is trying to figure out how many shots the BP zefiend scum shot has.

The latter is stupid they would scumread the BP of which we are not.

~~Math

The most likely answer is scum shot zefiend unless someone CCs.

[The DEO]

idgi.

Postie explain the ways there are no night kill in a game of mafia:

1) BP
2) Doctor
3) Roleblocker
4) Jailkeep

Any others off the list?

~~Math

[The DEO]

My crumb detector tells me that the doctor didn't hit the right target so eliminate that.
No one has claimed roleblocked so eliminate that.

BP and Commuter would end up with scum knowing who they tried to kill and failed. Right?

[The DEO]

6) Hider
7) Babysitter
8) Scum choosing to No Kill

6 >> Why would anyone hide behind Lycanfire?
7 need to look up Babysitter

8 is nonsense because they missed a kill on N1 I don't believe they don't NK on N2.

So somehow the kill was stopped or scum shot Lycanfire.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Babysitter I doubt because of my crumb detector.

If scum don't claim roleblocked and were then they will draw significant ire from the slot that did roleblock them.
We would have seen someone drop a vote for "reasons" until that slot posted when there wasn't an NK.

In essence if someone was roleblocked we should be seeing that claim especially with the lack of kill.

~~Math

[The DEO]

6 >> Why would anyone hide behind Lycanfire?

I don't think you understand how hider works. If they hid behind Lycanfire they would be dead. Obviously they would have hidden behind someone else.

The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. It is a Weak role and as such will die if it targets mafia. In case the hider targets a town-alligned player, he or she will be untargetable for all other roles. However, that does not mean the hider is entirely safe: should the person he or she is hiding behind get shot, the hider will be shot as well. This only goes for a nightkill.
Variations

A variation of the hider applies the targetting when hidden not only on nightkills, but also with other night actions. With this variation, for example, a cop targetting the player the hider is hiding behind will get two results, for his target, and the hider.

[The DEO]

If scum target a hider and fail the argument still stands that scum would know they submitted a kill and that player didn't die.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Example assume RC is a hider:

Assume scum shoot RC.

Assume RC hides behind Town.

Then when scum see RC alive they would try to get RC lynched because they couldn't kill RC.

~~Math

[The DEO]

The BP claim means that zefiend is very likely Town who was shot during the night scum had no kill and could shoot or Lycanfire was shot by scum and the claimed vig.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Postie I don't want an apathy lynch on someone I think might be town though. If we can turn this around we might be more likely to get a scum lynch. It's also worth thinking about whether RachMarie would replace out as scum in this situation. boring wanted to put something in the thread more than what RM had to make it worthwhile and idunno if their dropping off after that was more like, holidays and not knowing how to go hard to save the slot rather than a scum dropoff of "well I tried" y'know?

I actually tend to agree with KTS a lot and I think I should go for it if it's something we're both feeling because it's confirmation I'm on the right track and he's pre good at reading ppl as well.

{Postie, KC, DEO}
{Lycan, boring, Deimos}
{zefiend}
{Creature, drealmerz7, Vaxkiller}
{Creeps}
{Kuroi, Gamma}

Holy shit this post came out of nowhere. If I'm reading the tiers right, you have Lycanfire and boring as Town-leans?

Something is pinging me about your progression of these reads. Like, there's a lot of speculation involved:
- KC is being 100% truthful about KTS thing
- (presumably) buying Lycanfire's claim & story
- RM replacing out for strategic reasons
- boring's effort being AI

These are just the things that jump out at me so if you could clarify/explain, that'd be great. I'm going to ISO dive you in the meantime because honestly I've been skimming a lot of your posts (when the game was moving much faster).

I don't have set categories for the tiers. Higher up is the more townie I think someone is.

I think I'd talked about KC earlier, but boring summed that up nicely. KC's claim isn't something I would have imagined her to think up on her own, and she has convincingly given content that I believe has indeed come from KTS.

Lycanfire's claim...he hasn't really claimed as far as I'm concerned. Apart from the delayed death thing or w/e it was. My change on Lycanfire is that he's acting so damn disillusioned that it's actually making me think he's town by this stage. I have less confidence in that one because it's entirely tonal but I rarely see scum that can convincingly pull off the "let's antagonize the townies after my head further" line of attack that he's taking here. More often it comes from town that think they're being pushed by scum.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying about the RM replacing out for strategic reasons. I'm saying that I believe it's more likely she's replaced out as town than scum, given she clearly thought she was being run up for being V/LA rather than for her content. As scum in that situation I'd expect some bullshitting to put out something, which RM would have an easier time doing than as town where she has to actually read what's being put in the game and think about what that means with regards to someone's alignment. That or more lurking while waiting out her lynch. It's obviously not a strong indicator because it could just boil down to her not wanting to play anymore as either alignment but it's a supporting factor.

If boring's effort alone was AI then I'd still think she's scum, because she put in that small amount of effort and dropped off. I'm reading her as a newbie that had one good scum game, replaced into a bad slot, and is trying to make the lynch at least worth something without thinking she can turn it around. It's the trying to make the lynch worth something that gave me pause to think about because as scum in a slot that you don't think you can save you don't want to draw more associates. You just want to go quietly into the night, so to speak, unless you think that putting out some good content will save you, in which case I'd expect boring to have fought this harder rather than put out some content then go "welp not much more to do here" attitude-wise.

Re tiers/Lycanfire: your tonal read on Lycanfire is not something I can debate, however I will say that in the game I played with him as Town he was much more composed than here. The surprising thing about your reads is that he and boring are on the same tier.

Re KC: if she's scum then coaching is a thing. I'm asking you to look at it in the context of KC's voting patterns which don't perfectly align (IMO) with her thought processes.

Re RM: exactly!! why I am suggesting it could be strategic - you are considering that only a townie would be frustrated by being wagoned for fake V/LA-ing.

Re boring: it sounds like you still scumread her so what's the appeal of a flash wagon on Kuroui?

Pedit Postie because we are none of those things and weren't roleblocked and unless there was a bus driver who hit scum and switched scum and Lycanfire then I don't see a world where zefiend is group scum.

[The DEO]

What makes you think scum

haven't

been pushing for their missing kill target to get lynched anyway?

Well except half of one....But then we would have to bend the rules of something to make that work.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Because in a game where scum are behind on kills already a person who is unkillable for whatever reason is literally the name to scum's existence. I don't see a game where scum don't try to lynch who they couldn't kill.

Look at who zefiend was pushing before N2.

VOTE: KlingonCelt

I think we need to look at Zefiend'S D2 reads for answers.

[The DEO]

~~Math*

[The DEO]

Bane to scum's existence*

~~Math

[The DEO]

I can't respond to that publically. I need to figure out how to message you something.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Hmmmm let's try this:

Both of us were lethargic.
I spoke about true love and Titus wasn't quite as energetic.
With the cookies Titus felt energetic and so did I.
But now I kinda feel tired but Titus feels good unless something changes I am not sure the lethargy changes.

Kind of exhausting.....:/

Kinda why I was thinking one of mhsmith and Drealmerz or both were scum/SK.

My tinfoil hat theory is I caught mhsmith in a slip and scum shot Kuroi to protect JaeReed and Drealmerz shot <redacted> who is not zefiend (or vice versa). Mhsmith lies to keep the extra KPN Drealmerz in his pocket.

They are either both Town or both not Town.

The evidence seems to indicate both Town unless JaeReed is also scum.

~~Math

So mhsmith+JaeReed is also a possibility.

[The DEO]

I will hammer just not right now and I hate smith making threats like he owns the place. It was uncalled for considering I already stated intent after he catches up.

Considering this was his interaction with mhsmith before N2.

~~Math

[The DEO]

JaeReed's role makes very little sense to give to scum. Like think about how scum would use it and how redundant that would make half of it.

It actually makes brilliant sense as scum. Assuming we have the same understanding. Plus 90% of it would just be pure fluffiness bull crap if scum. Because it likely wouldn't happen.

~~Math

VOTE: Unvote

It reads like explain N2.

[The DEO]

Math, talk to me. As long as we vote mhsmith or zefiend, I am fine but I am worried.

[The DEO]

VOTE: mhsmith0

....

~~Math

Will talk more with Titus head. But I do not think zefiend is scum.

[The DEO]

And I do not see mhsmith as a townread anymore after zefiend claim.
~~Math

[The DEO]

As long as we vote mhsmith or zefiend, I am fine but I am worried.

Yes. Please.

Let's do mhsmith then.

JaeReed, sorry for Math going off. Math gets paranoid.

[The DEO]

JaeReed and FA - remember Math doing it in that other game, where they talked about baby names?

They did a lot of talking and NO SCUMHUNTING.

Here we are, DAY 4 and Titus hasn't used her sooper secret townbloc powers to tunnel any scumz.

Titus is not MathBlade, and MathBlade is not Titus.

Yes they are in the same slot, but that doesn't mean one person's meta should apply to the other.

You know they're related, right? Titus tunnels more, and Math is more willing to bus, but they both love roleplay and outside-the-game-thread play.

I hate outside the thread play. Being good at it doesn't mean I like it.

Look at Shadowrun Mafia PT. I was literally begging for a break. Nightless and unable to stop felt like it was literally killing me.

[The DEO]

~~Math* ^^

[The DEO]

Objection!!! << I feel like Phoenix Wright here.

Assume Lycanfire and Drealmerz both Town.
Then Zefiend cannot be group scum unless someone else is BP.
The first page of the setup says the only 3P possible is an SK.
Unless you wish to assume scum shot Lycanfire.

I highly doubt a doctor would have gotten the right target at night.

VOTE: Unvote

So either zefiend is lying to try to figure out how many shots the BP has or is Town and was probably shot already.

I wish time to look into this.

~~Math

lycanfire was town you don't have to assume it. how is that related to zefind? WE know scums were shooting lycan that night cause vax was trying to vanalize him.

I find it unlikely.

What is more likely is Drealmerz is SK and mhsmith is covering it up.

Vanillizing and killing Lycanfire is just not smart when I would tunnel Lycanfire. Vanillizing though makes sense and killing someone else is much smarter. I am assuming scum aren't playing stupid here.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Oh right no night one.

Okay one night with no scum night kill.

So either RM was 1shot BP and loved which I doubt or zefiend is 1shot BP or zefiend is trying to figure out how many shots the BP zefiend scum shot has.

The latter is stupid they would scumread the BP of which we are not.

~~Math

The most likely answer is scum shot zefiend unless someone CCs.

The onlymissing kill is N2 one imo

not sure If I'm following you with this logic

If Drealmerz is SK there are two kills missing. You're assuming Drealmerz is telling the truth. It makes sense with his flavor but Houdini frequently stages things to look like things they are not.

~~Math

[The DEO]

The missing kill was likely killing zefiend. Til someone can explain N2 where someone besides zefiend was shot I have no interest in a zefiend lynch.

~~Math

[The DEO]

The missing kill was likely killing zefiend. Til someone can explain N2 where someone besides zefiend was shot I have no interest in a zefiend lynch.

~~Math

Why are you assuming there must be 2kpn? if you suspect mhs-drealm there must be 1 kpn. shouldn't it?

Drealmerz claimed vig.
If mhsmith and Drealmerz were scum aligned together then mhsmith would be wasting a check. Mhsmith with how much power there seems to be this game wouldn't lie publically about who he checked (in a PT maybe).

So Drealmerz is SK or Town if mhsmith is scum.

So there would at least be two kills N2.

Namely scum are behind so "confirming" Drealmerz is beneficial to scum.

Mainly if mhsmith is town then Drealmerz is.

But if mhsmith is scum then Drealmerz is SK.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Drealmerz if he knew mhsmith was going to follow could also choose not to act. (I doubt this) or be a ninja.

I don't trust the results based on Drealmerz and mhsmith play.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I gotta drive home but there is something fishy but I can't quite put my finger on how to explain.

~~Math

[The DEO]

But if mhsmith is scum then Drealmerz is SK.

Not necessarily. If smith is scum he knows there's no harm in confirming drealmerz as town because drealmerz heaviest scumread is you, so that's where he's most likely to shoot.

mhs never confirmed drealm as town. he confirmed his claim for not shooting anyone last night

or am I missing facts?

If Drealmerz is SK then he would be doing a terrible job of not shooting anyone.
If Drealmerz was group scum he would have shot as it would confirm he was a killer. Unless Drealmerz did shoot and mhsmith lied. Means derp scum or scum truth telling and mhsmith check somewhere else.
Drealmerz not shooting means likely town or Ninja SK or derp SK.

I don't see Drealmerz group scum not shooting. Seems silly when almost every check would help him.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Jae what do you make of Math SRing you and then Titus coming in and saying that Math was just getting paranoid?

They switched reads lol. It's hilarious. Other than that, not much.

What I do make something of is FA stretching in every way possible trying to find herself a mislynch.
VOTE: Frozen Angel

I'm trying to find myself a solid scumread atm

I'm not ready yet for getting mislynched

Why would one vote get you mislynched?
What are your thoughts on every player?
And don't use the I don't want to reveal chain shit. It is out in the open.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yeah pushing a lynch is NAI if scum. It depends on how they push or where they vote and how. I have pushed scum lynches as scum just did so horribly people called my buddy townfirm. Mini 1800 if you want the game. I pretty much screamed Karnos was scum and no one wanted to believe it. Because Neopolitan isn't something a scum would claim *facepalm*

~~Math

[The DEO]

Word choice is also important. Pushing the lynch is not what is alignment indicative. It is how someone pushes that is.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yeah its hard to read, but for this game he gets a pass because of his role, im pretty much treating him like an innocent child at this point.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I don't.

Everyone right or wrong has been treating Creature as an IC. Why did Jae pick on Vax for it?

It could be that JaeReed is town and right or it was a planned bus/vote.

Then there was how you reacted to my derp hammer and switched to a town read.

Both are equally fishy to me.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Th reason I'm townreading you "If postie is town" is that you knew what she was and you wouldn't lolhammer your partner when you knew that would fuck you

Though know that I'm thinking more you could have done it anyway knowing that would distance you-vax and in case one flippes scum the other might get the chance to live till endgame just because of that. @postie I'm correcting one of my assumptions, take note of this

Yeah there is no way Titus and I are living to end game. Drealmerz pretty much has it out for us so I am playing every day like my last. Change assumptions if you like just know one thing. My character is happily taken and in love <3. That should help you.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yeah its hard to read, but for this game he gets a pass because of his role, im pretty much treating him like an innocent child at this point.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I don't.

Everyone right or wrong has been treating Creature as an IC. Why did Jae pick on Vax for it?

It could be that JaeReed is town and right or it was a planned bus/vote.

Then there was how you reacted to my derp hammer and switched to a town read.

Both are equally fishy to me.

~~Math

I like to see jae's response to this.

what is the second one that you said is fishy? you townreading me? I'm confused

I am townreading you because others say so but stuff still pings me. Titus townreads you but some stuff just doesn't sit right.

~~Math

[The DEO]

huh

"Others say so" ?! who is saying that? The only one who should say that is postie.

Jae said Postie did at a point. Titus did. That is two off the top of my head.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I am tired and going to bed. I definitely want to see how Jae responds.

Good night.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Jae what do you make of Math SRing you and then Titus coming in and saying that Math was just getting paranoid?

They switched reads lol. It's hilarious. Other than that, not much.

What I do make something of is FA stretching in every way possible trying to find herself a mislynch.
VOTE: Frozen Angel

Is this mhsmith or zefiend? No.

Then, I am not interested.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Everyone vote DEO today, then lynch Alisae Day 5.

I'm actually inclined to believe KC is town here but please for the love of god vig this slot.

Agreed but no vigging. KC hasn't been spouting as bad as Drealmerz.

We should vig whoever is not lynched out of mhsmith zefiend.

[The DEO]

Wowie Titus, I guess us townies won the game then, wouldn't you say?

Unless Drealmerz shoots us in the foot or people refuse to lynch mhsmith...yeah...

[The DEO]

We should vig

wow you have a vig. shot?!

I didn't know that

No we don't. What should happen and what we can do are two different things.

Fyi Klingon is full of crap. FA did the same pressure spam without vote switching.

Ours is because we are a hydra. FA has yet to explain where they stand on things.

I do not wish to lynch zefiend. Titus does. Mhsmith is the one place we agree.

~~Math

[The DEO]

We should vig

wow you have a vig. shot?!

I didn't know that

We means town...

[The DEO]

I am an old stick in the mud.

I only want to vote those two.

~Titus

[The DEO]

I do not wish to lynch zefiend. Titus does. Mhsmith is the one place we agree.

So if you're against a zef lynch, why are you accepting of him being at l-1? Feels like pushing for my lynch, even if I'm not a current wagon, would be the productive thing to do given your shared reads and it being nowhere near EOD.

We are, but this is near the end of the organic thread. The thread has decided to spare you, for God only knows what reason.

[The DEO]

Wait Zefiend is at L-1?

I think he is.

Mod vc please

[The DEO]

...I literally just got online. Again I do not think zefiend is scum but I haven't had a chance to type it out. I am not at home to use my notes. I was going a sneak check like I sometimes do.

I think we shot not lynch the person scum likely shot.

Until someone can explain N2's only death without saying scum shot Lycanfire because that to me is a load of crap zefiend should not be lynched as zefiend was likely shot.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Out of curiosity, do you actually think I'm scum covering for drealz the sk in thread? That seems... bizarre. Why do you think it's a reasonable idea?

Yes I do.

Because scum likely need the KPN.
It is literally a matter of survival.

It is mutually assured alliance til one or the other kills you both when he game feels winnable.
Houdini was known for massive preparation and being a solo act.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Math, what if the Bulletproof claim is a fakeclaim and the person who stopped the kill either didn't know they stopped it or doesn't want to out their role?

That person would be arguing adamantly in their "gut" zefiend was lying or scum. Neither of those are happen. People believe it sure but no one is adamant about it enough for that to be the case.

Because no one is tunneling I don't buy that.
~~Math

[The DEO]

If scum used vanillaizer on lycan, why do you think they wouldn't just shoot him too? It seems like a power use that has no point beyond making sure he can't use his death power.

Because it would be a waste.

They can't have and have not paid attention to the thread.

Drealmerz claimed to be able to vig Lycan right around the same post as Lycan.

Scum would not waste a bullet.

~~Math

[The DEO]

The vanillized makes sure he dies and frames Drealmerz. It is a matter of bullet economics.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Because he was claimed delayed death.

~~Math

[The DEO]

The vanillized makes sure he dies and frames Drealmerz. It is a matter of bullet economics.

~~Math

What? He's dying anyway (delayed death bit), what's the scum upside to having him non stump? Why aren't scum using that vanillaizer power on someone whose power is unknown or might not suck?

1) Frame Drealmerz.
2) Unknown dictator ability.

[The DEO]

Because it creates the exact scenario where Drealmerz is fishy. That we had before.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Because it creates the exact scenario where Drealmerz is fishy. That we had before.

~~Math

How is drealz MORE framed in that scenario compared to lycan being stumped?

Because then Lycanfire would activate his delayed death and it would be a normal shot versus trying to hypothesize what did cause it.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Anyhow I'm considering pushing The DEO if town doesn't win the game after the deaths of mhsmith and zefield.

...Zefiend should not be lynched.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Why should mafia temp vanalyze someone else's target (vanalyzing a delayed death)

Unless if they were sure you are targetting him that makes no sense - unless if they wanted to kill him as well

which means both kills were on lycan (If two kpn happened that night) so math defense on zefind is refuted and that will put us in square one in this

If mafia shared a hood with Drealmerz and knew he was shooting Lycanfire. That makes sense. Back to mhsmith0 as scum.

Math defense of ziefiend is wierd, but plausible.

[The DEO]

yeahhh....quite comfortable with the likelihood at that the deo is scum at this point

if that wasn't obvious, and even if it was, it warrants repeating

Are you so insistent on shooting us that we need to claim Drealmerz?

[The DEO]

I actually agree with the possibility of framing you Drealmerz, unaware of your meta for being ridiculous and assuming I would bite.

[The DEO]

yeahhh....quite comfortable with the likelihood at that the deo is scum at this point

if that wasn't obvious, and even if it was, it warrants repeating

Are you so insistent on shooting us that we need to claim Drealmerz?

ohno, certainly not, I just want you lynched

we will see how the Day goes as well, I would never decide on a kill-decision like that so prematurely (before the Day is halfway over / there are no heavy wagons, we're not "through" the Day, essentially)

Zefiend hit l minus 1 earlier I believe.

Why do you want us lynched but not vigged?

[The DEO]

how about this:

if you can pick who you can privately communicate with or whatever is going on, tell me why you didn't pick me when we were "thread masons" so hard for a while, and, if able (no need to claim or talk about the ability, ie no need to respond to this if you don't feel it healthy for the gamestate) why not do it to me today, or if you don't get lynched, tonight, whenever you can IF you can (again, no need to say if you can't...), and try and talk to me on a more private level and see how we do there / convince me that way somehow?

Shadowstep flip was wrong. You agreed to the point where we had to be concerned about buddying. Math full on scumread you. We also had a hood already, and by using that hood, we can link information in a chain we can have access to. We cannot target ourselves with our hood ability. So, we had to use Gamma slot.

Gamma slot plus our largest townread, which is Postie.

We added Postie and our next biggest townread we could, Frozen. Hence the chain as it is.

I have little faith in convincing you of anything since Aeronaut's game.

[The DEO]

I do understand, since aeronaut's game as well, but you must have seen yourself in me there, right? the stubborn deathtunnel

and, hey, Iiiii ultimately made the right choice there anyway, so...

You were accusing the mod of lying about how vanilla cop worked in an incoherent rage delaying me off actual scum. I did see myself there. I was relatively accurate all things considered. That game is why I am dismissing you as dumb, plus the vig role makes it highly unlikely you are group scum. SK maybe, but not group scum.

[The DEO]

and okay, since I understand how the chaining works, I understand. so your cleargood feels dropped after the KTS flip and you didn't want to target me that night, or, I wasn't your top TR then even if SS/KTS had flipped scum?

The first. If SS/KTS flipped scum, we might have chained you. Who knows?

[The DEO]

That chain, you should find, is the exact pool I have you not shooting or I get pissed btw from earlier plus JaeReed. Even in the event JaeReed is scum, they can be leashed to the chain and never repeat.

[The DEO]

Anyhow I'm considering pushing The DEO if town doesn't win the game after the deaths of mhsmith and zefield.

...Zefiend should not be lynched.

~~Math

Why your not talking with titus then?

I'm not sold with that BP theory. That vanalize without a kill attmpt was redicolous unless if drealm claimed the shot before doing it which I think he claimed vig after doing the shooting.

He claimed vig before the shooting.
/me sigh

~~Math

[The DEO]

how about this:

if you can pick who you can privately communicate with or whatever is going on, tell me why you didn't pick me when we were "thread masons" so hard for a while, and, if able (no need to claim or talk about the ability, ie no need to respond to this if you don't feel it healthy for the gamestate) why not do it to me today, or if you don't get lynched, tonight, whenever you can IF you can (again, no need to say if you can't...), and try and talk to me on a more private level and see how we do there / convince me that way somehow?

Because she doesn't. I DO.

Hydra plus is one slot two abilities one vote. Only one of us can act unless something happens. Titus has her own ability which she is hiding.

The element cop is meant to catch us. Considering how ridiculous I find you Drealmerz I see no way of you getting a hood ever.

Oh and the true love bit...I can't self target.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I "ship" people like a romantic UPS. Ghostie = Gamma + Postie.

I practically crumbed it thirty times over through what people called shit posting.

~~Math

[The DEO]

For obvious reasons Since my night actions are clear now

I shipped Gamma and Postie on N2.
I shipped Postie and FA on N3.

Hence the chain we have here.

I picked Gamma and Postie as both townreads and it enabled the chain.
Postie and FA because Postie townread FA and Creature but Creature is a lurksack.

~~Math

I am not saying whether Titus acted on a given night but obvious should be obvious.

[The DEO]

I'm sorta lurking because I'm currently demotivated, not because I'm scum, you probably saw me lurking a little at Mini 1849.

Never said lurking made you scum it would just be a waste. However that word choice leaves me suspicious.

~~Math

[The DEO]

ok I'm asking that publickly then

was the love pt you initially had with gamma and RM because of your "love" related flavor or was it something shared like what drealm is claiming about their pt with mhs?

We had it at the start of the game.
My flavor relates to "shipping" people.

Probably because when RC asked me not to talk with Titus about it I said I ship Alex Danvers and Maggie Sawyer so hard and was just watching lots of Supergirl. Hence the hydra name the DEO. The twin swap came as a surprise to Titus when she picked Twin Swap. I was reluctant to claim failed choices as I have none.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Our neighborhood is the "Love" Neighborhood. So I am inherently suspicious of a "Death" neighborhood.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Moderator based decision yes.

~~Math

Death/Loss is the opposite of Love. I am town.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I have a role PM and Titus has one.

Not sure where you get three.

~~Math

[The DEO]

RM claimed Arwen Everstar in our hood and was loved. Loved belongs in Loved neighborhood.

[redacted] fits but I am not explaining that publically.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I have a role PM and Titus has one.

Not sure where you get three.

~~Math

You RM and gamma

and you two are a hydra so I was assuming you have one rolepm. you two have different roles?!

Yes I said so earlier.

Vaxkiller claiming Element Cop was a death sentence because I alone have three entries in my role PM.

-- Secret hydra
-- Hood at start
-- "Shipping".

[The DEO]

oO

something is not matching up with I know about Redacted

aliese Flavor claim to postie immidiatly

All of <redacted> are loved by <redacted> or <redacted> doesn't happen in <redacted> lore.

~~Math

[The DEO]

But I already did ;~;

when?

FA stop it.

<redacted> doesn't/don't unless <redacted> shows they love <redacted>.
Google <redacted> click on Plot and characters.

The same general concept applies.

~~Math

[The DEO]

That last paragraph is about Postie's flavor claim.
I hinted at being the neighborizer for a while and considering we were okay with the communication chain and telling Pony things they kinda probably picked it up. Like I pretty much said I thought the PT enabler was Town.

Never truly full claimed in the hood til today.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I guess I should say I didn't fully claim to Gamma/Alisae til today.

Titus has been hinted at but not confirmed.

~~Math

[The DEO]

A hydra by definition is one slot.

I will not vote Titus as I know I am Town.

KC is not conf town and Drealmerz is probably not group scum.

This game is also not bastard in the first post.
A hydra having two alignments would be the definition of bastard IMHO.

[The DEO]

~~Math

[The DEO]

But then why would we have two role PMs...That is a good thought.

You know what? I want to ask the mod a question.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Well I PMed the mod....

I am 99.9999 percent sure that Titus has to be Town like me but then that should get rid of the other fraction of a percent.

If Titus is scum this game and I caught Rach Marie and derp hammered Vaxkiller like Jesus I can understand why Titus and I are so dissonant.

Assuming as I believe Titus and I have to share an alignment and that alignment is Town, who are your scumreads and why?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yeah but have you played with RC or in one of his games?

Dude has some crazy creativity going on in his brain, and I wouldn't put it past him to try something like this.

Also, my whole not-being-part-of-the-game for Day 1 is borderline bastard, but I also have some priveleged information as it relates to my role, etc. Still, I'm just saying that it's a possibility.

Scumread would be FA for a lot of lamist and iioa type posts that I touched on earlier, and "not-a-town-read" would be Alisae because I never really liked the Gamma slot and she hasn't done anything to improve that feeling.

How do you have "privileged information" as a 1 shot BP?

~~Math

[The DEO]

FA, I seriously can't understand half the shit you say sometimes and it is hard to figure out and maybe you could try a little harder to be articulate that would be great.

you're asking me questions but I can't even fucking follow them because of how you are - I know my mind-state isn't the best right now, but seriously, do you read the shit you type sometimes before entering it?

Posts like this help no one.
Clearly FA is trying to communicate else she wouldn't be posting.

Saying communicate better is like saying "Play better."

It doesn't help anyone and is empty and vapid.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I told him I was limited shot but in what capacity I wasn't going to reveal further, which he was cool with

what did you tell him exactly? can you prarphrase the exact way you said this?

THAT IS THE FUCKING PARAPHRASE WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I DID WHAT I DID, FOR MY OWN FUCKING HEALTH? NO, IT WAS FOR YOU

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR MALFUNCTION??

oh, you're scum...

Please use proper capitalization in your posts. The all caps doesn't make me believe you more or less and is just annoying to read. All you are doing is shouting someone is scum ad nauseum when if you are an SK then everyone is scum to you. If you are going to start correcting people's grammar, I am going to correct yours.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I seriously have to take like 3 times as long with her posts to try and fucking understand what she is saying, no one else has this issue?

I have worked with people from another country before and have English as a second language.

Grammar is not alignment indicative and pointing out mistakes during the game only serves to make someone feel shitty. Stop it.

~~Math

[The DEO]

English is my first. The people have English as a second language. Calrification as that sentence structure if not taken literally implies I do.

~~Math

[The DEO]

it's obviously nothing personal

I am having trouble communicating

I'm trying to work on communicating better, to do that I need to express what my issues are

wahhhwahhhwahhhh that I'm not coddling about it

The best way to communicate better is to not yell and scream at people.
It is to ask questions and why...repeatedly. The more others talk the more effective you are when you do talk because other people feel like they are heard.

I am working at it myself but I would suggest not going to defensiveness and yelling and just listen and ask why?

Get to know people.

~~Math

[The DEO]

how about you let FA and I work it out and stay the fuck out of it, eh?

I am not going to let you insult someone in thread like that.

It is not scumhunting to tear down people's communication skills.

So respectfully I will not stay out of it.

Now who do you think is scum?

Make a case without yelling.

~~Math

[The DEO]

well it's REALLY FUCKING FRUSTRATING TO BE GOING OVER SHIT THAT HAPPENED AGES AGO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T FUCKING READ, YA KNOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

If Frozen Angel can't read (I think she can as she has modded games), this yelling only brings people down and has no Town purpose. Stop it.

If you want to call her scum for not doing so fine. That is your prerogative but do not pretend insulting people is a valid strategy to hunt scum.

~~Math

[The DEO]

you think playing mafia for so many years your ability to articulate the english language would be a bit better, is all

it's not a fucking insult, it's how it fucking is

get your fucking egos out of it

I only have one ego and I believe in stating what I mean without attacking the other person.

Your point about FA not reading the thread closely is lost when you do all caps and berate people constantly. Seriously. If you think I am scum or FA is you need to take a chill pill and calmly explain why.

I am interested in what you think but the more you insult FA the less I care and think you are an SK just spamming this thread.

Go cool off.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yeah but have you played with RC or in one of his games?

Dude has some crazy creativity going on in his brain, and I wouldn't put it past him to try something like this.

Also, my whole not-being-part-of-the-game for Day 1 is borderline bastard, but I also have some priveleged information as it relates to my role, etc. Still, I'm just saying that it's a possibility.

Scumread would be FA for a lot of lamist and iioa type posts that I touched on earlier, and "not-a-town-read" would be Alisae because I never really liked the Gamma slot and she hasn't done anything to improve that feeling.

How do you have "privileged information" as a 1 shot BP?

~~Math

@zefiend -- Just pointing this out again in case you lost it after Drealmerz's explosion.

[The DEO]

drealmz how does it feel to be a jerk to those who don't have English as their first language yet still write it better than over 50% of the population that does?

What do you think of Frozen Angel and mhsmith?

~~Math

[The DEO]

we seriously have spend 50 fucking pages or so hashing the mechanics of all the Night-shit (well, you all have) and one of the main people involved isn't even up on all the information, even though they appear so confident to know what the fuck they are talking about and how to go about it all

it's fucking ridiculous, and being pissed is absolutely valid

I am not saying pissed is invalid.

I am saying make a valid point and do so without attacking people.

For example, FA earlier claimed to hunt via mechanics and said she is good at it. Missing that seems contradictory. Instead of going and finding that post and saying "You are pissing me off because you claim X in post ABCD but here you are not caught up on the mechanics." It is sketchy to me.

The more you focus on grammar and yelling the less likely people are to listen. I have seen rage as either alignment and it doesn't help me believe you or your case. Focus on the play not the player or grammar.

~~Math

FYI Capitalization is still off.

[The DEO]

like

she is wasting everyone's fucking time and energy

why aren't YOU FUCKING MORE PISSED??!?!?!

Oh I am pissed. I assure you I am wanting to throw things here.

However I know that if I do not keep a calm and level head I am no longer hunting. I am taking people's feedback between games and improving.

~~Math

[The DEO]

They're not groupscum together. That's about all I have. Did you read the spoilered bit in the PT?

..Thanks for announcing to the world you have a PT with me and since I have full claimed and Titus being another neighborizer doesn't make sense.

*Smackies*

Please explain your thoughts to everyone best you can.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Okay put your thoughts on the FA and mhsmith out here please.

~~Math

[The DEO]

it's about being able to comprehend what the fuck she is saying, what questions she is asking me, me understanding what she understands based on the things she says, and now I just feel like at a complete loss

it has become a big enough obstacle in the game that I need to address it, it has been an obstacle, and I've been dealing with it and being patient, but now it's affecting MY ABILITY to play this game effectively

what else has she missed? like, she's either a useless town slot at this point because she hasn't been paying attention to the game-state and is completely lost, or she's scum fucking with all of this shit on purpose

either way, she can die, imo

Then you need to learn people aren't going to be perfect.

You need to adapt to the fact people are flawed human beings. They cannot and will not magically get better overnight. Do I wish FA's grammar was better? Yes? Is it a reason to have them die regardless of alignment? No.

Suggesting a policy lynch for sentence structure on D4 is crap.

Make a case if you think FA is scum. And don't say you have already done it because I don't want to read through pages of insults to other players to find it. Convince me FA is scum.

~~Math