Pick Your Power: Double Deck (GAME OVER)

[gerryoat]

@Dunn, you didnt answer the question at all. I said who is scum not why aren't you scum

[Dunnstral]

I'm considering. I wouldn't be comfortable lynching maxous I think, vecna I was townreading but I don't know what he's been doing recently

I'm thinking about it. Otherwise, we can default to you if I get quickllynched

[-Grey-]

^ scum leaving their options open

[gerryoat]

I'm considering. I wouldn't be comfortable lynching maxous I think, vecna I was townreading but I don't know what he's been doing recently

I'm thinking about it. Otherwise, we can default to you if I get quickllynched

ffs, you say i'm confirmed scum but have no other reads????????????????????????????? is it because everyone you mislynched was 100% scum and they were all town?

[Dunnstral]

I'm considering. I wouldn't be comfortable lynching maxous I think, vecna I was townreading but I don't know what he's been doing recently

I'm thinking about it. Otherwise, we can default to you if I get quickllynched

ffs, you say i'm confirmed scum but have no other reads????????????????????????????? is it because everyone you mislynched was 100% scum and they were all town?

I told you I'm considering things, I didn't say you were confirmed scum, just that if I get quicklynched, you should go next.

[gerryoat]

so what is it you're considering

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sitting here staring at the game; give me some time, and you guys talk too and I'll contribute

[-Grey-]

It's been 258 pages.

I think you've had oodles of time.

[gerryoat]

so basically, your past few mislynches that you've wanted have been "lynch anyone who scumreads me"

[Fishythefish]

So, we clearly need to sort out Dunn vs gerry. Which is a pity, because neither of them looks very scummy. I'm inclined to say we lynch gerry.

Dunn has rather a lot of concrete things going for him.
- He saved giga, and made a very protown revive to me. Scum with a fear of massclaim could do that, but unlikely.
- 2 of diamonds would have been a crappy scum pick. Also, Dunn pointed this out when I was questioning whether the 2 of diamonds was town. In my experience, that's something that comes from town who feels they've done something very townish and deserve some credit for it.
- The triple neighbourhood play seems more likely for town than scum.

[Fishythefish]

i'm mulling over my Fishy read tbh.

his reaction to maria wasn't that great actually.

He did hard-push Uzi instead of Kison yesterday which would give him town-points though.

and his neighbourhood stuff with me has been quite town including his card-rigging for cop investigations.

My reaction to maria: this is one of those times you look back at a scum wagon and think "hey, I can easily see scum doing what I did here. That's a pity". On the other side of things - is there anything on my maria reaction you think is unlikely from me as town and would like explained?

To blow my own trumpet a little: my card-rigging also prevented a scum kill, and I've been trying quite hard to lynch Uzi since day 1.

[Vecna]

Some points for consideration:
-grey vigging titus, who was scumreading and pushing both kison and gerry hard. Ive been townreading the slot for the longest of times, and I fully aplauded the Titus kill at the time, but with the flip information this makes even more sense as a scum play.

-Im still proposing we lynch both dunn and gerry today. Sacrefising one town to catch a scum is a good trade to make now, and i really wouldnt want to be caught in lylo with either (unless one of them flipped scum before that). Of the two I still think Dunn is more towny, and if were only lynching one id prefer gerry + grey.

[Vecna]

Titus was scumreading kison and luv, not gerry*

[Quipla]

DECK x 30 - TRUMP x 1 - DISCARD PILE x 51

DAY 7 VOTECOUNT #4

Dunnstral (2)

- Maxous, -Grey-

Not Voting (6)

- Fishythefish, drealmerz7, Vecna, TheWayItEnds, Dunnstral, gerryoat

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is set for (expired on 2017-02-03 12:16:26).

[drealmerz7]

vecna thinks dunn is more towny?

fishy thinks this too?

ugh, I just don't see that, not in the actual thread - yes, in card play dunn has points for him bigtime, but, gerry is wayyyy more town by play in the game (maria assocation and more, and me having a bit of familiarity with towngerry)

I feel so confident that it's badtowngerry, someone would really need to tell me why he makes sense as scum

dunnstral is not trying at all either and to me that feels more likely to be laying-low scum at this point

[Fishythefish]

@Vecna: I think Grey is a poor lynch today. His vig powers remain good until LYLO (as they can be directed), which is a way off yet; worst case tomorrow is 4v2, where we can still direct vig shots. He is also our double-lynch enabler whenever we hit Diamonds.

@drealmer: I'm pretty keen on card information over play (and so far, feel vindicated). In general, scum don't like to hand the town advantages, and the towncred they get for doing so isn't sufficient compensation.

Having said that, your confidence on badtowngerry gives me pause, as I'm not good at reading play like gerry's myself. For why it would make sense as scum - it would be trying to emulate gerry's town play by going after one target.

[drealmerz7]

from what I've seen of gerry being badtown, I don't know how he'd have the "presence of mind" to duplicate that as scum, but, I haven't played THAT MANY games with him either and underestimating someone is bad and I could be being naive...hmmm...

agree grey makes sense to keep around (he did shoot scum, afterall)

maxous is the only other consideration I would make for today

[Vecna]

@fish worst case scenario tomorrow is 3v2.

If grey is scum and either of his vig powers become active again during the coming night/day/scum wins. Theres another reason why he's a good lynch and likely scum but ill communicate it through the pt chain.

[Fishythefish]

Remember, it's not like scum!gerry has to constantly put up an amazing front. If you decide to go all out for someone, and not concentrate on anything else, it will quickly become natural and self-reinforcing.

Max is probably my preferred lynch outside gerry and Dunn. Which is pure PoE - he's not scummy, but Vecna/you/Grey/TWIE are less likely still.

@Vecna: quite right, got my numbers wrong. I'll think more about whether Grey is scum.

[drealmerz7]

hmm, true (re: scumgerry point)

[Maxous]

dunnstral is not trying at all either and to me that feels more likely to be laying-low scum at this point

I've noticed Dunn is trying to give as little reads as possible when questioned.
it's possibly out of fear of giving away his last buddy.

[Maxous]

Some points for consideration:
-grey vigging titus, who was scumreading and pushing both kison and gerry hard. Ive been townreading the slot for the longest of times, and I fully aplauded the Titus kill at the time, but with the flip information this makes even more sense as a scum play.

hmm yeah.

possible.

yeah, i think i'll be voting Grey after Dunnstral tbh.
I remember not being super-hot on kraska around day 2 and the rb kill/transcend-tunneling.
I'm not sure who else i would vote for anyway.

[Fishythefish]

I don't really think grey is scum.

- kraska was pretty townish
- The claim after the Titus kill felt like town. It could be a very bold scum play, but I'd be surprised.
- King of Diamonds is a super town pick.

I'm on tentahooks for that extra reason through the hood chain, though.

[Maxous]

77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat KH, KC, 3D
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
13 - Maxous - Ah, 3h, 5h
17 - drealmerz7 - 9h, 3h
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
12 - TWIE 5c, 9c (missed 8s)

@fishy:

i don't see your cards argument...who is left in the game that has pro-scum cards?

[gerryoat]

So, we clearly need to sort out Dunn vs gerry. Which is a pity, because neither of them looks very scummy. I'm inclined to say we lynch gerry.

Dunn has rather a lot of concrete things going for him.
- He saved giga, and made a very protown revive to me. Scum with a fear of massclaim could do that, but unlikely.
- 2 of diamonds would have been a crappy scum pick. Also, Dunn pointed this out when I was questioning whether the 2 of diamonds was town. In my experience, that's something that comes from town who feels they've done something very townish and deserve some credit for it.
- The triple neighbourhood play seems more likely for town than scum.

yes as maf i'd unvote and try and get him to out reads. hilarious